Jehovah's Witnesses & Sex: The Governing Body is in Your Bedroom

[@gisella1350]

As a young newly married woman in the organization, I was caught by surprise by an elder approaching me after the meeting and asking me ( suggesting), " I suppose ****** ( my husband ), is active in bed. This took me by surprise. I haven't been a wild woman in the world. How should I know? Do they read dirty books to be in the know. I should have asked, " What do you mean?," but I was to surprised. This elder just knocked another brick out of their wall. How dare he ask me such a question without my husband being present. I must have been his target. I don' go there any more, neither does my husband. It is all SICK.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

😳😳What?? that is unbelievable! Gross disrespect! That feeling of mock power drives some elders to think they can say almost anything! Be glad I wasn't your husband, I would have dropped him!

[@tellusorbit]

The one word that precisely, accurately and succinctly describes this cult is EVIL. Thank you for this talk. I look forward to more.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yes. We try to laugh before we cry....but it's truly evil, destructive and abusive at every level

[@superdave1921]

Remember the concluding talk at District and Circuit Assemblies when the speaker would say, “I know some of you people have a guilty conscience do to immortality. Please talk to an elder so that you can get your life straight with Jehovah.” Or some bullshit similar to that. They would always lay a guilt trip on the publishers trying to get them to turn themselves in to the elders. And shortly afterwards there would be a rash of disfellowshippings. Damn, I’m glad that I am out of that cult!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Who can forget those??? All the elders would just groan because they knew they were going to get a rash of 'confessors' and late night judicial meetings. They literally want to hold you fork while you eat....

[@jaygee2611]

I’ve been out of the Org for over 30 years … I recall as a youth hearing a talk at the convention in which the speaker said something to the effect of “brothers stop writing the Society and describing your private sexual activities to get approval”. I just thought it was so ridiculous that people couldn’t use their own God-given conscience to determine what is right for their personal lives. I wasn’t born in … I feel like I willingly joined for about 10 years, and I willingly left when I felt that the JW lifestyle was “limiting” and not “wholesome”. Throughout those 10 years I maintained my “critical thinking” skills.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

So glad you're out! Brilliant....you're so rare Jay. Most of us surrendered our brains at a young age and paid for it. My god, people were writing to ask how they should have sex? Not surprised

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

Same here - never born in, 10 years a good, solid JW but never lost my balance when it came to a balance when it came to the real world. Stayed on the fence for a long while after becoming awake

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@dantoinettetaylor1663 It really is a process and a process that is unique to each person

[@brianmcdaid3178]

Cults have found that controlling sex and sexuality makes controlling the members easier. Charles Manson and his "family" is a good example of this.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

100% true. It is not a coincidence that sex is always a central issue with cults. It's a powerful tool for control

[@user-TheTruth]

I remember when I first heard the word PORNEIA ...I was sitting before 3 brothers after I felt guilty for feeling up a young sister about my age of 18 ! When one of the Bethelite brothers said I committed PORNEIA ! My reaction was who’s that ! I never heard the word before that, he told me it was a gross sin ! Even though I felt guilty, I still didn’t think it was that serious until he broke down what was all involved with PORNEIA ! Needless to say my sex life was somewhat affected by this sex infected religion for years to come ! I’m so happy to finally be out of that mind control ! So many things you bought up I could relate to Stacy, this might have been your best video to date in my book !

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Truth! I appreciate the encouragement! I can VERY much relate to your story. Most of us were like 'what?'... and good old porneia really found it's heyday in the '80's.....it was their fancy word that allowed them to make up all kinds of definitions and control every move or even THOUGHT that you had. It's insane. But might not be as insane as telling married people what they can or can't do in their bedroom.....and that episode is coming 😆

[@user-TheTruth]

@@survivingparadisepodcast looking forward to that episodes well . Also looking forward to you doing an episode on how they have changed the Bible to suit there beliefs , I’m not saying I belief Jesus is God but I don’t believe you should change scripture such as John 1:1 ....I know it’s a touchy subject but I’d love to see your take on it considering there are so many instances where the New World Fake Translation has distorted scripture so much !

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@user-TheTruth oh yes, on the list! We have to tackle "evidently" or "obviously" or "by extension" or "reasonable to conclude"..... anti typical, anti type, .....ARGHHHHH! LOL

[@lizzidpeepole]

I suffered a devastating hit in court today. I knew I was in for a ride yesterday. Stacey my man you helped me take it on the chin. I only want to see my kids and it has turned into a circus. Thank you for being an anchor in the storm. The court is not JW related but really everything kinda is. Simply Thank you.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Phil, I'm so sorry my man!! I've been where you're at. It's very hard. Stick with it....don't give up. I'm glad you can find a little relief here....it gets better!!

[@DY2784]

If allowed, the WTBTS would meddle in our sex life. Firm stop is absolutely necessary. With a serious face I told an Elder that our sex life was none of their business. Have never been approached about it since.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Smart. I wish more people would do that with elders...they would save themselves a lot of misery!

[@researchound]

Even when I was a young teenager in the 80s I wondered why the only thing people got disfellowshipped for was sexual immorality when there is a long list of gross sins. Example: gossip and slander can be very damaging yet I don't know 1 person who has been disciplined for it. Yet a couple who touch each other before marriage- how much damage is done? Why do we care so excessively? A lot of those raised as JWs have shame issues because of the prevailing mentality.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

GREAT example. I had several long debates on how 'we' ignored slander/gossip....despite it being stated in black & white in the Bible. Nope.....sex. Let's focus on sex.

[@lizzidpeepole]

Its a double dose of shame as you walk in that backroom for a good teenage make out session. You know they're sizzling with curiosity and fantasy out in the main hall. That shit leaves a mark for sure. That is a trademark scenario from east to west coast for the last 50 years. No light to shine there GB? Is it a pen light type thing?

[@Rwdogg21]

@@survivingparadisepodcast is it cause due to sex angles left there place and came down to get some, so since that happened we got view sex as taboo?

[@ohreally4758]

Don't get me started with the gossip and slander !! The whole organization should be disfellowshipped !! They lie a lot too !!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@ohreally4758 professional liars, gossips and slanderers....all condemned by their own bible.....

[@nadinedavies698]

Hi Stacy, I really like your podcasts… you have the best voice to do a video!…It would be really nice to see your face!… I was a born in for over 40 years I’m just a little bit older than you are!… this organization ruined my life. It’s a long story, but I was in love with this guy we were both witnesses and then he thought he had to leave me because 1975 was coming up in the end of the world was going to happen, so he ghosted me, it has affected me basically my whole life!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Hi Nadine, thank you that is very kind! I travel a lot so find it hard to have a fancy KZbin set up....but hopefully soon. You may regret seeing my face LOL

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

Another super video. Having never been a member of the cult (and christianity, the mother cult...IMO), I continually find this indoctrination and control engine (The WT), absolutely unbelievable, how seemingly EVERY aspect of one's life is under constant scrutiny! As if Jehovah's and the angels' eyes were not enough! Lunacy. Loved your commentary.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks MuscleMax! It's all insane!

[@laveritesurlestemoinsdejeh8522]

I found myself nodding in agreement to many things you said. You and I are of the same age, and so were teens in the cult at the same time. Thus our experiences are similar. Unfortunately, I never really got over the repression and when I left, at age 24, knew absolutely NOTHING about women. I was like Steve Rogers in the car with agent Carter when she tells him, you don't know how to talk to women, do you? Yep, that was me....I was never able to hold a relationship with a woman. Now I'm 55, alone, but I've accepted it and moved on with my life while using my "freedom" to travel and do things I probably could not do if I was in a long term relationship. And that does not include sex....haven't had it since 2009. Know what? I'm ok with it. I'd love to do it once in a while, but if not, I can live with that. But I know who is responsible: Watchtower and their horrible sexual repression.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I'm so glad you're free and GREAT to meet you! I hate that you're missing out on anything! But yes, they do a deeply damaging job of turning natural, wonderful things into something that is evil. They plant fear and shame with weekly meetings....and you can see the long term effect. I'm glad you hear you're traveling and enjoying life and hope you meet a nice person soon!

[@dewilew2137]

I just became your 1,000th subscriber! Congratulations on 1k subs!!! 🤗

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

😍 wow, thank you Dewi!!!!

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible??????????

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

@@survivingparadisepodcast All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible??????????

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

Omg this is my first time on your channel. “Spiritual paradise” is what got me sucked into the cult. You are right that the GB is obsessed with 2 main things - false religion & sex. While still in , I was privately reproved for an act of porneia known as “unclean behaviour” (kissing and fondling of the breasts) - a brother came to my apartment and things happened long story. He told on us to the elders. At the judicial committee they even wanted to know if I had an orgasm. I was a 23/24 year old virgin at the time so didn’t even know if I had one. I was also raised as another type of Christian so all things above the waist premaritally was kind of acceptable (if you’re dating) to that particular sect. Later on I found out that oral sex and any sex position other than “missionary” is prohibited even for married couples. Needless to say my view of sex became distorted & I never wanted to get married to a “brother” after that and secretly dated “worldly” guys a couple of times , who never accepted sexless dating so I was fighting a losing battle. But the thrill of being desired by them vs a JW guy was very powerful. PS - Love your channel and I subscribed right away Edit: I was an unbaptised publisher at the time. When I was asked the detailed questions I panicked and answered everything because I felt it was the “Holy Spirit” leading them to ask me such questions only to find out recently about the secret elder’s manual that dictates this. Crazy!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you so much and it's always comforting to know I'm not alone! This subject is so loaded, but your experience is SO common....I got in trouble as a youth too and then as an elder had to deal with kids getting in trouble. Ah yes, 'momentary touching of the breasts'....uncleanness.....and this week.....I'm going to delicately handle the ridiculous commentary around oral sex! I say often that this religion is deeply damaging to women...on matters of dating, marriage, self esteem, etc. It's awful. And good for you for taking those dates....as someone that left in 2009, I had to navigate dating as an adult as well......it was scary, then FUN!

[@fLUKEYdNb]

They really are the modern day sex-pharasies - rules, rules, rules supported by repressed, nosy, gossiping congregants. Any hint of relations in the borg is a nightmare. I remember, 15 yrs old, first high school girlfriend and three old blokes interrogating me in a judicial - the summary of which was that I should apologise to her for not having marriage in mind/purposed.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, that is fantastic....SEX-PHARISEES....I was in front of 3 guys more than once myself!!

[@yvonne3903]

The good old Eye of Providence, as in Russells gravestone pyramid.

[@reineresser4276]

my grandmother 73 met a brother 78 to discuss a marriage of convenience......NOT without a chaperone. 😂😂😂😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh my god!! Okay, that may be the best story ever regarding chaperones!

[@jackijax505]

😂😂😂😂

[@thetruthk5138]

Ha ha nearly spat me coffee out ;-)

[@krissykatportal]

Wow I was subscriber #201. I’m so happy to see you’re over 1000 subscribers!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Wow, thank you Krissy! I didn't even realize that! There is only one #201!😉

[@Jexit2020]

Such an important subject to address. Thank you 👍🏾

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you! Love your stuff as well!

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are Jesus's followers according to the Bible????????????

[@angelc813]

You’re a good guy even broaching this subject. Anything in reference to sex is taboo in the cult. First off, in true sarcasm, if Jehovah is watching everything doesn’t that make him one and the same as Santa? I mean, Santa knows if you’ve been bad or good. I’m just sayin, it’s all about where we personally place our trusts and beliefs. Additionally, I personally have had my non existent balls nailed to the wall regarding sex by the elders. The joke’s on them, my now husband and I were only engaged at the time and out in service with our friends. They stayed at a return visit extra long and we had our way. They just laughed when they got back to the car. Who do the JW’S think they are?! They have no right to attempt to instill fear nor control contact with consenting others. With due sarcasm, screw them! Keep up the great work!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Angel. I barely scratched the surface on this one, huh? LOL, now THAT'S a return visit!!!😄

[@angelc813]

@@survivingparadisepodcast haha! Indeed! Who needs coffee breaks when there are perfectly good opportunities to be had during those especially long return visits. At least I had a good time and was able to hand in my time at the end of the month. LOL!! Got a good story about your upcoming podcast..Just wait for it. 😉😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@angelc813 LOL, I don't think there is anything better than counting time while.....you know LOL

[@disassociated1731]

i was just married when the new definitions of porneia came out, and i remember how it didn t make sense to me, i mean the so called logics behind these new interdictions. A lot of us thought its a sign of puritan Americans…But we had to cope with it, as believers who accepted the men in Brooklyn as the faithful slave. It was also so uncomfortable as an elder to have to teach all this nonsense.

[@lizzidpeepole]

The sex chats with 3 dudes in the backroom! Wild times. Those memories always bring a chuckle though. They tried but never really pinned any sex stuff on me. I gave them plenty of ripped jeans, cigs and alcohol to keep em occupied.

[@terridovey7648]

LoL!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I guaranteed you disappointed them Phil! I had to shut down fellow elders who just loved to deep dive on every detail of a sexual encounter... they wanted every detail. Lot's of stories here....

[@lizzidpeepole]

I had an ex catholic GF. Her family joined the faith just as she graduated Catholic Highschool. Oh my... their worries were valid! They wanted anyone to report on her and I. She was in University to boot! We had a great year until a jealous brother reported hearsay. They went for the deets hard but I chalked it all up to horny teenage boys telling tall tales because they had yet to even kiss a girl. The brother who reported us married her 2 years later tracking my theory of its all lies piled on top of each other.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lizzidpeepole WHOA!!! And he married her? LOL, oh my.....

[@frawell410]

Bro Your last video, you mentioned wedding rings and I looked it up. You’re right pagan origins and the society in the publication 72 awake questions from readers. They completely glossed over it. Leaving it to the conscious. But not birthdays.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

GREAT job! I always encourage people to study!! Don't take anyone's word on anything, take a few minutes, study and read....all it takes is their own literature!

[@Hearwithyourears]

Even talking about Lap dancing in the 2018 watchtower in front of Children 😳 quote “ Lap dancing is becoming more common in the world today. Some people feel that it is not the same as having sex with someone, so they think that it is not bad. * (See footnote.) But is that really how Jehovah feels about it? Remember, Jehovah hates every kind of badness. So let us stay far away from anything that is bad by learning to develop self-control and by hating what Jehovah hates.​-Romans 12:9.“ w18.11 25 ¶11-12

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

WOW!!! Thanks for sharing that! LOL, I missed that one.....I hate to say it, but the next few episodes may feature this subject in all it's glory!

[@hustonmices3976]

I haven’t listen to your podcast but the title really has me 😏.. hahahahha Once I got a divorce I could never return to be celibate and many times I did the deed and continued to go to the meetings for over 10 years without ever confessing to the elders. I wasn’t a good witness 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, I love your honesty. Once I left and was single....straight talk: I realized my own delayed adolescence.

[@minusdagroove]

My wife and I had sexual relations and still got married in the Kingdom Hall and I was renting a apartment from the coordinating elder of my former congregation who lived next door.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

WOW, did they know you had did the deed before letting you marry in the KH? That is unheard of!

[@rakeanomander1]

I never realized what was even going on. At least in the beginning. A 40 something single woman who was still a virgin. Opening her eyes to sex was an amazing experience. I did think it was odd that she was emotional during and after the sex act. Only later did I find out she was a JW. I knew she was in some kind of cult, but never really knew which one. We still interact with each other, but for her sake am extra careful to protect her privacy and make her feel safe.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Rick that is incredibly loving my man. It is SO hard on women and to find a nice partner who is kind through it all is incredible. Good on you.... she is lucky and I can't tell you how nice it is to see someone being kind to an innocent woman who was abused by a cult. HUGE. She will need patience and glad you found a connection through something as beautiful as 'private time'

[@robertmardis2110]

I just discovered your channel.. absolutely love it! Thank you!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Robert, I appreciate you!

[@anthonyamare1902]

Tragedy plus time, love the presentation and it definitely helped me appreciate the urgency of therapy, because while some of the abnormal things gave me pause, this helped me to see there’s still plenty that escaped my notice and I need to continue to unpack it. The autopsy on witness Tony never seems to end.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Be good to yourself as you heal Anthony. It's a process...I've been out for 13 years and there are still things I deal with personally. It's a lot to handle. We have been exposed to thought altering evil my friend.

[@leetrippii1830]

So many sex deprived people hanging around each other equals a lot of sex going on

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh yeah, I know elders that were having sex while dating, then got appointed and buried it in the past

[@-tyrese-7931]

“jehovahs watching, the angels are watching. how does this compare to modern day pornography” i never thought of it that way 😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Isn't that insane?! How does that conversation go as they all gather around to watch?? 😳

[@nataliegrandauthorofcultgi1231]

*Great channel! Thanks for what you provide to the anti-cult movement!!!! We are making changes for a better world to protect children from cults.* 🥲

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Natalie.....yes we are! So are you!!

[@davidespinal700]

Stacey,,,,, hope am not misspelling your name,,,,, but you are wickedly sarcastic and I just L💕VE it,,,,, just love your sense of humor and this is coming from someone who knows how to be sarcastic and has a sense of humor,,, but my god you are just thouroughly blunt. I studied for years with the jehovah's witnesses,,,,was almost a non baptized publisher, went as far as joining the school of ministry,, gave speeches so I know how this cult mechanics,,, I love how you again thouroughly expose them from inch to inch just bring them on the nude,,, haven't heard all of your videos but the one's I've heard have comfort me,,, and I thank you,,, is so much more I can say I think is enough for now but again I love your sarcasm, your blunt fashion and I thank you.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

David thank you so much!! LOL, I'm glad my sense of humor lands with some, I know I can be a pain in the butt! Wow, I'm so glad you were able to break free....they almost had you! I want to continue to expose the damage this cult does to everyone

[@jennydarling1368]

Thank you for your hard work

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Jenny!

[@christinev1015]

They always make sure you know that you can’t be trusted… you can’t trust yourself and they don’t trust you.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Slow drip erosion of self esteem, self confidence and everything that makes a person special.

[@Jexit2020]

40:00 - My experience was exactly the same. When they said to me that what I did was actually fornication, I nearly fell off my chair! I too was a believer in the imaginary line.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

YES! My entire friend group got in trouble at one time or another and felt like we were just learning what sex was about while in a judicial meeting! We were shocked....and lived our entire life around going right up to the imaginary 'line'....only to get in trouble anyway!

[@Rwdogg21]

@@survivingparadisepodcast should have just went all the way! How did you guys get found out though?

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

@@Rwdogg21 you tell on yourself or someone outside of the group ratted you out

[@muzikman74]

I’ll be honest…my wife & I dated for 3yrs as JWs and never had a chaperone.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh yes....I did the same, got married after 19....and we never had a chaperone. But lots of judicial meetings LOL

[@muzikman74]

@@survivingparadisepodcast My elders and my wifes elders hounded us so much that I eventually told all of them to back off and leave us alone.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@muzikman74 Isn't it strange the fascination they have with other people's romantic relationships? I think they are so depressed or bored, they see it like they do reality TV. It's nuts.

[@muzikman74]

@@survivingparadisepodcast When I did orientation for entrance into bethel, couples newly married also had to go through orientation. They have a totally different orientation for married couples. They are basically given rules to follow for “acceptable” ways of having sex. How intrusive! Most of the ones who I knew who were married as young bethelites left…the wife just couldn’t take the routine.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@muzikman74 Unbelievable. I know several couples that had to leave too; mostly because it is horrible for women. Not only do they have an unnatural existence at Bethel, but they are given horrible, horrible 'jobs'

[@stevebenoit6649]

Out of all the wives and concubines solomon had, he only had one child. Solomon was into child sacrifice... the wisest man for the jehovah's!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Solomon is one WILD story!!!

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

This episode always makes me think of the chapter from Crisis of Conscience where Ray Franz discusses how the GB began to really crack down all things sex in the early 70s, how they would literally have married couples and elders writing in asking for sexual advice as if it was any of their goddamn business. For some reason the one that really sticks with me in particular is the letter from a physically disabled JW husband who wrote to Brooklyn begging them for some sort of loophole in Jehovah’s law that would allow him to still be able to be intimate with his wife, because “normal” sex was impossible for him and he felt like “half a man.” Because the Guys In New York™️ and their crackdown had seriously effected his and his wife’s sex life. I see nothing has changed.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I remember that inquiry too!! Terrible!! Imagine this poor man just wanting to love his wife....and some strangers in NY tell him he can't!!! Total insanity!! Crisis of Conscience is a masterpiece

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

@@survivingparadisepodcast yes! it’s an insight into the inner workings of Watchtower that I’m extremely grateful we have.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@BlackFlagHeathen Me too....just a HUGE share from him!

[@koh5185]

Has anyone told you that you sound EXACTLY like Patrick Warburton?!?! Please I can’t be the only one to hear it?!?! Love the channel, A1 humou. Seen it grow from 300 subscribers to 1k so quickly, congrats!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Koh! I appreciate you being here....and thanks, I'll take it....Patrick Warburton cracks me up!

[@PerfumeCognac]

OMG! I had been trying to place the voice for the longest lmao, I just now realized I’ve been getting deprogrammed by Kronk!

[@xjwfurious]

Bottom line: The less sex you're having, the more obsessed you will be with sex. GB. Enough said. Congratulations on hitting 1K subscribers, by the way. I have been saying that to a lot of ex-JWs over the past few days. Lots of cool channels taking off. Good to see. 🙂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

So true Vanishing! Thank you for being here!

[@AlexFlores-je2uj]

Stacey I subscribed to your channel to know more about the evil watchtower.

[@Rightly_Divided]

I feel bad for my cousins. They are sucked into this cult. As far as I can tell they are not super joyous in life. At least one of them. One of them I can truly tell is miserable.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

😟 I'm sorry Matt....I'm sure you can see the unhappiness on their faces

[@Rightly_Divided]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Well lets just say I attended my cousin's wedding and got a picture of her and the groom kissing and the look on her face was almost as if she was embarassed to be getting married. She had a look on her face as if she was thinking "what am I doing?" What is crazy is this is her second husband in the congregation. The first one cheated on her with another member. It is crazy how godly these people think of themselves yet they have the same sin as anybody else. I appreciate your content though. Keep it up!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@Rightly_Divided UGH....it's painful to hear this is still going on, I try to pretend it isn't. I've seen many marriages like that. So sorry. Thanks for listening!

[@mattmurdock2868]

From what I've seen in the halls, looks like a big wife swap operation.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@mattmurdock2868 I've been in two congregations where that was taking place...as a kid and as an elder.

[@tuckersalazer8946]

GREAT CHANNEL & VOICE!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thanks Tucker, much appreciated!

[@lizzidpeepole]

The elders would set up sting operations outside the strip clubs. We got amazing at that cat n mouse. I am serious and there was no way to really talk about it. Just so happened my buddy got tipped and we started watching. Yup they were often there like cops just chillin late at night. That made us worse man, the thrill factor went way up. And what a shitty evening for them just sitting there.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, that is hilarious!!! Did they count it as service time?? LOL! I'll tell you, on the subject of strip clubs: lots of guys, including servants, caught in those establishments. That is entirely different subject when it involved married people..... an entirely different subject on sex, right?

[@lizzidpeepole]

I regret the time and money I spent in those places. Having daughters changed my perspective on those broken souls and my own twisted view of women. My heart goes out to the daughters of the world who see that path as a choice.

[@hustonmices3976]

My buddy who is still very much in and is an elder told me that one of the ministerial servant school, MTS classes OR or what ever it’s called got taken to a strip joint for graduation or Las Vegas. Something to that effect. Says the higher you go up the ladder the Less trouble you get in. As we can see those 8 Numb nuts can say anything they want and not get counsel.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@hustonmices3976 Wait, what??? Seriously?? There is a great deal of truth in those with bigger titles being untouchable, but wow,....I'd love to hear about how MS's were hitting the strip club scene after graduating...that's wild

[@hustonmices3976]

@@survivingparadisepodcast gonna have to ask my buddy again next time I see him for a drink. Gotta get him to tell me the whole story on that. Hahaha

[@coldboltlighting1237]

Hey surviving paradise is that a giant shit on top of the watchtower icon you made? If it is that’s hilarious!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣 why YES IT IS....LOL, you get me....wasn't very subliminal was it?? 😂

[@coldboltlighting1237]

@@survivingparadisepodcast yep

[@lizzidpeepole]

I was the best chaperone. My weekends became booked up. Funny from many angles but truly that touches on some deep issues in that religion. They had a good time, I learned, and mum was the word. That religion made me into a master liar. They would blame their scape Goat for my lies but truly I was a normal kid who had to pretend to be holy. Who is the father of lies? Was a natural question from where I was standing.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh yes Phil!! We all had a similar experience. Your best buddy wants you to be his chaperone...as if that was a good idea LOL. More to come on this subject. So many hilarious experiences with the whole chaperone thing!

[@lizzidpeepole]

I was top shelf PO's son in my early teens. The twenties ish group was my entry to chaperone. Its absurd as I type it but yeah that was a gift in very odd disguise. By the time I met Erica (catholic) I knew the cover your tracks game and had developed chaperones i could trust of my own. Like a CIA operative with zero purpose. Lol.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lizzidpeepole The literally trained you on how to do it LOL

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lizzidpeepole You had that rare insight as a PO's son....well done my friend....well done

[@lizzidpeepole]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I know what it looks like if I had not allowed that spirit of rebellion to blossom. This sex topic is huge and has some nasty twists and turns. I was off in theology and gnostic philosophy when I found 3 criteria that were where the red flags hide. Treatment of Women. Sex being broad i narrowed it to suffering/pain of innocents. Money or power would seal the deal. Imagine my surprise to honestly look at Watchtower with those 3 metrics. After decades away and yup they hate women, yup the sex is weird and the levels suffering hit very bottom for too many, oh and yup they are living breathing Scrooge Mcducks. I am keeping it light but this is a seriously dark religion were are talking about.

[@rdhawk929]

Just my thoughts: King David was seriously trying to overcompensate for something. Sexual repression. Deep in the closet. Lol

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh yes....David and Jonathan...... need I say more?? 😉 "he loved Jonathan more than women".... nothing wrong with that, why not embrace it?

[@disassociated1731]

J had a lot of chaperones in the room when a sinner woman wept over and kissed his feet and then dried them with her hair. What can we learn from this situation? (jw style of question)?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

But he had none when visiting with the Samaritan woman at the well. The story you mentioned is a powerful example of something JW's miss.....Jesus didn't shun sinners, even serious ones. The entire Jewish nation were 'apostates'

[@shallowlove9507]

Yup yup I never understood this obsession. I explain it like this: it's like the biological need of going to the bathroom. It's something you can't hold on for too long!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

EXACTLY!!!!

[@paulconcadora9395]

It might seem that way, but I believe that not all of the members are real deal people, remember, everything looks good from a distance, but up close, it's a conscience matter, and that's what the watchtowers society has always been teaching, just not to new visitors, performance is the watchtowers sacred secret, nice and shiny, the angelic affect fooled more people into trusting the person by a clean looking appearances, but they were not quite capable of the real tasks they were highered to perform, they were all scam artists, and as everyone knows except for the I'll be nice about it, blindfolded people, that fell for the ha-lo affect, it's a conscience matter to be a member of the watchtowers and bible and track society, like Paul said in the bible, that what worried Paul, after all he presented to the people about Jesus christ, Paul said he knew that they would easily be taken, or easily fooled, into believing in a nother christ, and I agree, they come with their own bible's, and criticize others peoples religion's beliefs, and most importantly question the importance of name of Jehovah,which is a Latin monk translation, and no body ever questions about the name and where it came from, blinded by criticism, with a angelic smile and putting on a performance, like on stage at the school on wednesday night's practices how to fool yourself and your neighbors ministry trickery school, hall fun,

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

I agree Paul. There is a dirty underbelly, including many that don't believe at all, but stay in due to not wanting to lose family and friends

[@shaniciablake6037]

I enjoy these wholeheartedly!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Shanicia....thanks for listening!

[@hiramiamilan4392]

I was talking to my Mother a few months ago and the subject came up (I have been inactive since 2000) and I asked her about who was still giving wedding talks in her congregation, she said that you barely find elders these days that are willing to “take on the responsibility of marrying someone”….. ok ,,,,, 😒 so I asked why, of course, she said elders don’t want to be blamed for marrying a couple, years later, when the scandal erupts that they had committed fornication while dating,,,,, so I told her, “elders that avoid marrying ppl are very stupid, because whoever marries them shouldn’t be blamed (actually, no one should, but I didn’t say that 😛) totally the opposite, elders should be HAPPY these couples want to live by God’s Law, don’t you think, Mami?” ,,,,, the fire in her eyes burned me,,,,, but ,,,,, 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@asherasky8147]

It's a funny thought that eventually the JW's will have a "what would Jesus do?',' what does jehovah think?", App. On there smart phones and iPads Imagine the manager icons and fonts for that one. The pocket ELDER

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, LOL....oh no, don't give them any ideas Ashera!!

[@pamelaruth7400]

Yes! My emotional mental state regarding everything sex was so skewed my whole life. I couldnt 'enjoy' the pleasure because of guilt and shame if 'love' was not being proffessed! Preoccupation with 'love' being absent! Wasted opportunities! Ruined relationships!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

They ruined the experience for many, many people. As if something so natural should be 'so wrong'.....terrible emotional damage.

[@docdaniel5413]

Thanks bro for this amazing content. This company destroyed my family! They enjoy broken homes. They don’t want to see spouses together as a family unit, if one doesn’t drink the the blue koolaid.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

One of their biggest crimes: breaking up families!

[@reece1929]

Notice they don't touch too much on food. I'm surprised this many people are still in. If they were disfellowshipped for eating too much, the halls would be empty. Does anyone remember that episode on Seinfeld, where Elaine was clapping at the spinning tire, due to abstaining from sex? This would be me....👏👏👏🥴 😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL...I have an entire episode on the hypocrisy of food/gluttony. Imagine if they actually followed rules on alcohol! 😂

[@anthonymeech5030]

"This one time at band camp" 😄😄😄

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL LOL......

[@broncosbest6441]

The way that porenia means a million different things gives you a million pieces of evidence that it is totally fabricated. The scriptures say don’t go beyond the things that are written but somehow JWs interpret that as being in your bedroom and what you do while you’re there! How on earth did I get involved in this madness😂

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yep, going to cover that exact scripture and go deeper on this subject this week. It's one of the biggest proofs (and there are many) that they just make stuff up

[@Totoros199]

As a Greek myself let me tell you what the greek word "porneia" means. You commit "porneia" when you are having sex with someone who is paid to have sex with you. Whether you paid for the sexual intercourse or someone else did, the act is still called "porneia". The above definition is the only valid definition for said word, any other definition is given by malicious persons in an attempt to control you.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you Totoros!! Appreciate your insight. The good old Governing Body have created their own definition to say 'ANYTHING that happens in a house of prostitution'... you're spot on: it's all about control!

[@paulconcadora9395]

Good video thanks for sharing your perspective on man learning from man, bedroom manners, I got to be honest with you though, don't believe their all that squeaky clean, as they themselves claim they are, the bigger picture perfect reality is, a whole lot of wrongs and abuses and lies and secrets skeletons in most of the closets that fulfilled the convention centers of the watchtowers society, all that glitters isn't pure christal, don't ignore the fact of clay mixed with led, dead weight, in the same sense, priest are all saintly remnant of the angel class one's, really now,

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Agree. Many JW's do not follow the rules in the bedroom. Then they feel guilty and go to the elders to confess something that is no one's business!

[@johnnycroat]

I thought you were going to say we are going to discuss Salt-N-Pepa - Let's talk about Sex

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣 oh man you get me....that song literally played in my head the entire episode and I thought about adding it!!

[@coldboltlighting1237]

You know what could come next in the elders manual? if you even look at a women it’s a shunning Offense!!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Oh that subject is coming my friend. It actually is in print based on Jesus words at Matthew 5:28...

[@coldboltlighting1237]

@@survivingparadisepodcast really dear gid help me now.🤪🤪🤪🤪😅

[@Anonymous-ez6cz]

Nice talk, very interesting video don't know too much about JW? Or what I do know be careful all of us, 1st Corinthians 4:5 must read thanks

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Thank you for listening. On the scripture, I agree. No judging. Including what consenting adults are doing in their bedroom!

[@TruckerDori]

LMAO.... Getting Busy.... You are funny !!!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL....it's just too easy ;)

[@lk1590]

And if Adam and Eve were the first humans did Abel and Cain have sex with their sisters or other apes? Hmm…problematic 😉

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, yep. They even teach that. You hit on something I'm struggling with a bit: the Bible and/vs. JW beliefs. They are actually two different things, but both equally 'interesting'....trying to show respect to those that may still be believers/Christians....but at the same time, the inevitable is coming: The Bible itself........oh boy.....

[@lk1590]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Yes, I remember their teachings and when I objected it was incest, the pioneer doing my Bible teaching would say, "well, Jehovah permitted it back then". I really infuriated her when I asked how did she know? Of course she didn't. Anyway, I've always been passionate about comparative mythology and ancient texts. The creation myth is merely a summarised version of the Enuma Eilish, which is a rather fascinating read.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@lk1590 They just look at you with a blank stare. And I love it LOL. YES, there is some fascinating comparisons and reads to be had regarding the creation myth. Deeply connected to stories that came well before the Bible

[@hiramiamilan4392]

Stacy, you know what’s REALLY MESSED UP, or one of the many things, that I have been hearing aaaall of these BIG WORDS, since I was a toddler, in the 70s!!!! Then in the 80s, as a kid,,,, How in the world?…..

[@gustavscholten597]

Now presumably, Jesus was present when one of His faithful and Addicted slaves purchased one thousand $$$ of hard liquor in a store rather than doing field service ! Did he condemn slave T. Morris for his sins ? Apparently not. Neither did he condemn prostitutes. He was very understanding, knowing his first sexual experience was with a prostitute…?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Jesus overlooks all of that and choose them anyway LOL

[@gustavscholten597]

@@survivingparadisepodcast never trusted him. He shot through two thousand years ago and then He suddenly pops up and the Warwick mafia claims him for their advertising campaigns……

[@aaronmorgan2476]

Your voice sounds like a Helper to the gb lol

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

LOL, oh nooooooooooo

[@ohreally4758]

I purposely showed up 😁

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Very nice!

[@superdave1921]

I never ever touched myself, but mother thumb and her four daughters did!

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣 imagine telling people how they can touch their own body....and it's not even mentioned in your holy book

[@b1crusade384]

Yep. No Jimmy waxing. No back door. No dinner at the Y. No BSDM. No hank panky until you put a ring on it. If you do any of these, you must rat yourself out to the elders where they will tell other elders, trash you on the Platform, write a report to Watchtower and leave you embarrassed and insulted. The worse part is that this is not me being sarcastic. It really happens.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

Yes. It's an entire way of life. All of it. Jehovah, the elders, the angels....everyone is watching.....everything!

[@b1crusade384]

@@survivingparadisepodcast don’t forget. If you are smart and keep your private business to yourself, some 🧔🏼‍♀️ in the sky will withdraw his “holt spirit” from the congregation. So you gotta tell elders the nasty dirty details. And they will roast you and cite some of it over the platform and people with sense can figure out it was you and what you did. Watchtower is amazing.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@b1crusade384 HUGE topic and catch B1! Remember having the Achan story rammed down our throats??? Great idea for more conversation....it wasn't like you could even keep your business quiet!

[@b1crusade384]

@@survivingparadisepodcast Pardon me for dragging this on. One last thing. If you make a video on this, I recommend you also say and show how the rules applies to members but not Watchtower. Members are told to not seek money but kingdom interest first. But Watchtower is money hungry and spending and making a lot of money. It laid off Bethelites to rack up the dough. Members are told not to lie and tell dirty details to elders. Watchtowers lies like crazy and even have members lie if it's interest is at stake (theocratic warfare). Members are required to confess errors. Watchtower has made a lot of errors and false prophecies but not once confessed. Members are told not to attend or work at churches. But Watchtower has no issue selling kingdom halls to churches.

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@b1crusade384 All fantastic subjects! I'll add these to the ongoing list, thanks!

[@elvenrights2428]

Can JW get disfellowshipped due to masturbation? And just a smile to a person of opposite sex is considered fornication and a disfellowshipping offense?

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's very uncommon, but can come down to two things: are the blatantly promoting it to others and refusing to change and the personality of the body of elders. While it doesn't mention masturbation, they would likely default to 'loose conduct' which is more of an 'attitude' thing.....they can DF for that. Smiling? No....that's sarcasm :)

[@elliesambrook5929]

Yes

[@disassociated1731]

why would we think the gods were genderless? 3000 years bce men imagined their gods and goddesses with genitals, sometimes very powerful ones. Even Yhwh uses sex language about his actions, look at Ezechiel 23. Because the prophets imagined him with a gendered male body. And YHWH is very interested in genitals. To make a covenant he could have used a mark in hair cut or earrings:) but he preferred foreskins…

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

The gods of almost every culture since the beginning of time had a gender. Yes, Jehovah seems very interested in genitals. As for circumcision, it has direct ties to snake worship. Circumcision predates the Israelites. It's an interesting convo

[@roselindsey9674]

👋🏻

[@hiramiamilan4392]

W T F about the elder praying ,,,,,,,

[@Rwdogg21]

Solomon had to hit@least 5 a day

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

🤣 I mean....right? Trying to be careful here....but that man had staying power LOL

[@Rwdogg21]

@@survivingparadisepodcast I think he had to be Wilt Chamberlain 's inspiration and hero😂😂😂😂. I would have settled for ¹/³ of his conquest 😆

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

@@Rwdogg21 🤣🤣oh man, I wish I'd thought of the Wilt comparison.....yeah, he makes the Hall of Famer look weak LOL.....I wonder where he found time while building temples, claiming to cut babies in two, etc.

[@Rwdogg21]

@@survivingparadisepodcast he had no job, no wars, so he woke up had breakfast, had a couple of concubines bathe him, then heard a couple of cases told his attendant, go get#675, then he had #112 for lunch, I mean after lunch 😂,#5,20,&168 dinner time and #777 for bed time 😂😂😂

[@disassociated1731]

@@survivingparadisepodcast i definitively agree with you about the jw ( and christian) obsession with sex. But plz don t use examples of the past as the one of Solomon and try to apply it to modern situation. JWs make the same error in their videos, having jews from the 6th century BCE reasoning and feeling the same as jws of nowadays. It doesn t make sense. Most of these characters didn t even exist, but at least we learn about the way of thinking of male Jews some centuries BCE. For them Solomon’s marriages were not to have sex in a balanced way with all that women, it was just a matter of political power and status. You don t need to ask if he had individual or collective sex with them nor to calculate the average quantity of semen needed per day. Have a look on the ottoman harems for comparison.

[@denniskennedy3311]

My x wife was having a online affair and she was a jw

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

So sorry Dennis

[@AAA-vv8ig]

Governing Body this term is old light, the new light from Watchtower or should it be Lighthouse

[@survivingparadisepodcast]

It's all a gigantic lie!

[@armando1461]

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