JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES VS CHRISTIANITY. JAMES WHITE VS GREG STAFFORD THE ENTIER DEBATE.

[@tonya1802]

It never ceases to amaze me that until God gives sight to someone He is calling to salvation that no matter what evidence you give them and how clear it may be, they will not be able to see it and accept it. I use to wonder why Jesus would always say, to those who have ears let them hear and to those who have eyes let them see. It's because He knew that no matter how many people were there, not all would see and hear what He was saying and doing, only those who had been called.

[@plumbingsolution5555]

Since the guy jw denied Jesus who might save him from judgement day if he know alot?

[@servantofourlordjesuschris6456]

Are you a Calvinist? God desires that NONE shall perish but for ALL to come to everlasting life.

[@Vae07]

How’s the ice skating going👀

[@zachburnett2433]

Pretty sound logic. My God is the only true God....Jesus's God.

[@outsider427]

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? ​@@servantofourlordjesuschris6456

[@danielpghe]

00:04 - Intro 02:07 - Rules presentation 03:36 - Opening statement Dr. White 28:27 - Opening statement Mr. Stafford 53:18 - Rebutall Dr. White 01:12:33 - Rebutall Mr. Stafford 01:32:25 - Dr. White cross examines Mr. Stafford 02:13:29 - Dr. White summation 02:23:40 - Mr. Stafford summation 02:33:30 - Q&A

[@busyharbor75]

thanks!

[@RaihanShaheed]

01:52:36 Mr.Stafford cross examines Mr.White

[@OTCRock4one]

Thanks

[@MezztovenShort4DannY]

Tks

[@adamkris3817]

Got nothing to do with the debate

[@VAIO294]

*TESTIMONY* ......by Leonard A. Chretien As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I knew I had "the ‘truth". I was baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness in 1960 at age 26 with my wife, Marjorie. We had studied together with the Witnesses and were converts. As a member in good standing, I served as an appointed congregation Elder since the mid-1970s. I was regular in the door-to-door field service, conducted Home studies, and did all that the Watchtower Society requires. Marjorie and I even raised our child as a Witness and looked forward to surviving Armageddon into endless life on paradise earth. *Surviving Armageddon* From the mid-1960s, the Society had pointed to 1975 as the time for the conclusion of the present world system. The publications of that time were very clear about this, and we were also taught the same predictions in our meetings and book studies. Because we were taught that only Witnesses in good standing would survive Armageddon, we even sold a prosperous business in 1972 and our home in 1974 so that we could more fully serve Jehovah in the short time remaining. Understandably, many Witnesses were disappointed and disillusioned when 1975 came and went. I became suspicious when the Watchtower denied responsibility for the predictions both preached and printed in the prior decade. Instead, they laid the blame for the unfulfilled prophecy on what they called “over-enthusiastic members”! *Looking Deeper* As I considered other times when the organization had supposedly prophesied the end of the world, I decided to examine those predictions for myself. The Watchtower, of course, doesn't tolerate a critical analysis of its history or teaching, severely censoring anyone who tries. Since my life as an Elder would not allow the time I needed for research, I resigned as Presiding Overseer of my congregation. It was a serious and far-reaching decision. So began an odyssey of research and scrutiny of past Watchtower prophecies and teachings. My wife and I developed an extensive library of old Watchtower literature and discovered some incredible claims made by the Society. The Society had taught that the world would end in 1914. When 1914 came and went, President C.T. Russell changed the date to 1915, then to 1918. Later, second President J.F. Rutherford chose 1925 for the end of the world and claimed that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and other “ancient worthies” would be resurrected in 1925 to usher in the new world! By 1929 Rutherford, still convinced of that resurrection of “ancient worthies,” built a mansion for them in San Diego, calling the house “Beth Sarim, House of the Princes.” He finally died in the house in 1942 shortly after proclaiming that the end of the world was only months away. The Watchtower now teaches that the world only entered its time of the end in 1914, taking attention away from the failed prophecy of that year. The current teaching is that the generation that saw the events of 1914 will see the end of the world. All of this and more made Marjorie and me realize that the Watchtower Society is a “false prophet” organization, perfectly fitting the biblical definition of a false prophet in *Deuteronomy **18:21**-22* : “You say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord *does not take place or come true*, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. *Do not be afraid of him.* " As a result, we turned in our formal letter of disassociation from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Of course, we were totally shunned by our Witness friends whom we had known for years. *Finding Peace* After sending our letter of disassociation, a peace of mind and a freedom that I had never known in my 22 years as a Jehovah’s Witness came over me. Jesus Christ had personally come into my life, and I knew for certain that my salvation did not rest on worthless works, but had been given to me as a free gift, and outpouring of grace. We had been taught that we had to go through the Watchtower organization to get to the Father, but we are witnesses to the truth in Jesus Christ when He said; "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” - John 14:6 You do not need the so-called “144,000 mediator class” to help you work out your salvation. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men.” - 1 Timothy 2:5-6 Jehovah loves you with a greater love than the Society has told you about, and Marjorie and I are witnesses to the marvelous salvation He freely offers in Christ. I invite you to accept the Lord Jesus as your Savior and renounce the errors of the Watchtower Society. Stop trusting in your good works, and ask the Lord Jesus to save you. “Whoever believes in the Son (Jesus Christ) has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” - John 3:36 Yes, the living Lord extends this invitation to Jehovah’s Witnesses today: “ *Come to Me*, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.” - Matthew 11:28 .

[@Tony07UK]

@@Robert_5_55 What is there to challenge? Many are disfellowshipped from the JW organisation and others are free to leave or disassociate. The same goes for employment - there is employment contract law and if someone does not respect the terms of their job contract and cannot agree to fulfill it, then why should they continue to work there and expect to be paid wages? Any company, organisation or club has rules - that's how it is. If someone leaves a sports club for whatever reason (or is thrown out because of their behaviour), what is there to challenge? One has to get on with life, whichever way you choose. The witnesses carry on with their ministry and meetings and those that choose to leave have other priorities. It mystifies me why some seem compelled and obsessed to continue criticising the JWs because in reality nothing will change - everyone is free to make a choice as to what they will do.

[@AM-qv9yf]

Leonard, Amen and God bless. thank you for your testimony

[@glenfinch1468]

@@Tony07UK not so when you are baptised at 10, 11 or 12 years old . You’re not even old enough to have a mobile phone contract but you are encouraged to make a massive decision as a child . Show me one example in the scriptures where a young child got baptised . Even JC waited till he was 30

[@Tony07UK]

@@glenfinch1468 ?? .. what on earth are you talking about ?? What post are you referring to??

[@RandyReneau]

If a fool believes everything in the Bible and other false doctrine, is it the truth or a illusion

[@SarahlabyrinthLHC]

Psalm 23 "Jehovah is my shepherd, I shall not want" Jesus said "I am the good Shepherd"

[@SmalltimR]

Did you know Jesus became our shepherd after His Father gave Him his own sheep?

[@alfaromeo101]

do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God.. the FATHER HIMSELF did not say Jesus is a small God.. and the bible did not say there are TWO shepherds... and the bible did not say there are TWO Gods either.. those who say there are Two shepherd and Two Gods are devils advocate.. there cant be a shepherd and a GOOD shepherd...what would you make of the other shepherd? a BAD shepherd? since Jesus said HE is the GOOD shepherd? nonsense ... there is ONLY one GOD /one shepherd that is what the bible teach... this two commenters do not believe Apostle Peter and Paul of Tarsus.. so why do you even believe them? since this two bible characters live,ate died with Jesus?

[@SarahlabyrinthLHC]

@@alfaromeo101 Of course I believe that there is one God and one Shepherd, "The Word was with God and the Word was God" and we know that the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. And all praise and honour and glory to Him! God Himself came to earth to die for us!

[@Kai-ye6zu]

@@alfaromeo101 You've already admitted that Satan is a small god Sinned. You admitted this in conversation to KODNWL in relation to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Be consistent and once you learn a bible truth stick to it rather than let it go in one ear and out the other and spew your lies. THIS is why you'll never have the truth, you taste it and then spit it out as it's not what you fancy. (read more below) Since you stated, "do not believe anyone who says there is a small God and a big God.." and admit Satan is a god, there is good reason that EVERYONE here should NOT listen to what you say according to your own statement.🤣😂🤣🤣 Sometimes you really do dig your own grave. 2 Corinthians 4:4 - "Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe." - NLT Satan is the god of this world. Angels are called gods, Psalms 8:5 "You made him a little lower than godlike ones, And you crowned him with glory and splendor. " Jesus referred to himself a god small g not big G/God, John 10:34 "If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? " ----------

[@alfaromeo101]

@@Kai-ye6zu its very funny isnt it? how JW LOOK UP to SATAN as THEIR god..it cant be further from the truth..tsk tsk tsk.. when I mention God I am talking about MY GOD in HEAVEN..whereas when YOU LOT talk about god..what you have in mind is YOUR god ..satan..but YOUR teaching shows who your god is that is why he is the one who is always in your mouth and head when you speak about god... but Michael ...wisdom..why would you even ask me about ,how it can be created,begotten and produce since that is YOUR arguement not mine? you are confused and tangled as you dont know what to think anymore..see how I annihilated KODNL..he stop emailing me cos he SUFFERED the same DEFEAT as you did..

[@jessesanchez4869]

How can an active force do all these things? FOOD FOR THOUGHT :D Access to God--Eph. 2:18 Inspires prayer--Eph. 6:18; Jude 20 Anoints for Service--Luke 4:18 Intercedes--Rom. 8:26 Assures--Rom. 8:15-16; Gal. 4:6 Interprets Scripture--1 Cor. 2:1, 14; Eph. 1:17 Authors Scripture--2 Pet. 1:20-21 Leads--Rom. 8:14 Baptizes--John 1:23-34; 1 Cor. 12:13-14 Liberates--Rom. 8:2 Believers Born of--John 3:3-6 Molds Character--Gal. 5:22-23 Calls and Commissions--Acts 13:24; 20:28 Produces fruit--Gal. 5:22-23 Cleanses--1 Thess. 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2 Empowers Believers--Luke 24:49 Convicts of sin--John 16:9, 14 Raises from the dead--Rom. 8:11 Creates--Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4 Regenerates--Titus 3:5 Empowers--1 Thess. 1:5 Sanctifies--Rom. 15:16 Fills--Acts 2:4; 4:29-31; 5:18-20 Seals--Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30 Gives gifts--I Cor. 12:8-11 Strengthens--Eph. 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4; 1 Cor. 2:4 Glorifies Christ--John 16:14 Teaches--John 14:26 Guides in truth--John 16:13 Testifies of Jesus--John 15:26 Helps our weakness--Rom. 8:26 Victory over flesh--Rom. 8:2-4; Gal. 4:6 Indwells believers--Rom. 8:9-14; Gal. 4:6 Worship helper--Phil. 3

[@fredfranz8534]

Jesse Sanchez most people can't do that many things

[@Dawn-Songs]

How do you know for certain that it can't ?

[@mattkruger3801]

@@jessesanchez4869 mankind must understand that we are not supposed to know some things period.

[@11304800]

The BESt way to find the Truth in the scriptures, -is to research it YOURSELF---NOT letting someone DO THE RESEARCH for YOU.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

Johnny... Hallelujah.. So true... That is hard for some people... But the bible is in a level of 1st grade comprehension.. Many can read it but hard for them to comprehend.. Life

[@11304800]

Debra Tefs True--people can read the Bible but their comprehension limits them. Many people have a re-concieved idea--their mind is already made up---before they start a study, There ---IS--only one Gospel-therefore there is only on interpedtation of that Gospel. There are aproxminately 1500 differant Chrisitan belief systems.They can't all be correct.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

Johnny - That is so true.. There is so many different belief they all cant be correct... But Jesus did say.. in JOHN 4 ----21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us...................Look at (23) Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ... Jesus spelled out his ' TIME IS COMING ..AND NOW HAS... COME..... WHEN THE ...TRUE.....WORSHIPPERS.. WILL WORSHIP..... THE FATHER .... IN THE SPIRIT .....IN THE TRUTH.... HOW MANY TODAY WORSHIP THE FATHER LIKE JESUS DID? SEE JEUSS IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS ONE THE FIRST WHEN HE SAID 'NOW'' COME WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPERS..... WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER.... LOOK... IF YOU ARENRT WORSHIPING THE FATHER THEN YOU ARENT THE TRUE WORSHIPERS LIKE JESUS SAID... LIFE

[@11304800]

Debra Tefs Sooooo ----It makes no differance who siad what in the Bible---it's ALL very important and WE certainly a must DO IT. Worshiping the Father ----yes---but that is ot all Jesus said to do.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

Johnny-- Not understanding what you're trying to say.. Life

[@yhwh777100]

“Now that you have purified your souls by your obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart.” (1 Pet. 1:22)

[@ellieshine1Ox]

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me

[@VAIO294]

>>> *1 John **5:12**-13* ~ “He who has **Jesus Christ** *HAS* Eternal Life.. I write these things to you who Believe on **JESUS CHRIST** so that you may **KNOW** that you **HAVE** Eternal Life.” >>> *Acts **20:21* ~ “.. turn to God in *Repentance* and have **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**.”

[@withthisipost3383]

Yes, exactly, those who believe in "JESUS CHRIST" as Jehovah's Witnesses beleive, not those who believe in "JESUS GOD".

[@vaio2946]

@@withthisipost3383 -- Jehovah's Witnesses REJECT Jesus Christ as their Savior. --- I pray that you come to JESUS one day and be saved.

[@jeremynethercutt206]

@@vaio2946amen! glory be to the father Glory be to the son. Glory be to the Holy Spirit Glory Be , To God alone.

[@JESUISSMYSAVIOR]

All you do is repent, confess, surrender and entrusting HIM (JESUS) as LORD for Salvation. It is wonderful, in realizing how much the "Great GOD and SAVIOR" of us "JESUS CHRIST" (Titus 2:13) -How HE loved us, that HE came down from Heaven (John 6:38), and left HIS throne to take a servant's form (Phil 2:5-11) for the suffering of death, but yet raised HIS flesh HIS own body from death (John 2:19-21), for HE truly is "THE FIRST" the creator of all things (Col 1:16-17 & Heb 1:10-12). The "I AM" John 8:58 May the Grace and Spirit of Christ be with You All!!!

[@jasonheersink3123]

The Auditor John 1, Phil2. He’s God.

[@jasonheersink3123]

The Auditor He was The Word before the incarnation, Hebrew says He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. 5For to which of the angels did He ever say, “YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”? And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME”? 6And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.” 7And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” 8But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. The reason they distinguish between each other is the ROLES they take, a son does the fathers will, a spirit inhabits and regenerates. And if Christ isn’t Almighty God, your calling Isaiah a Liar “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.”

[@jasonheersink3123]

The Auditor you clearly ignored that Isaiah said he shall be called EVERLASTING FATHER , in 1corinthians 15 Christ will continue to rule cause his reign is eternal, but he will reign in his former, full, and glorious place within the Trinity, and as I’ve said, those are the Roles of the trinity, it does not mean they are lesser or greater, if we want to continue this train of thought, why did God say “Let US make man in OUR image”. God would not say this to angels cause they are lesser than he is, they did not create, God Creates, God is speaking as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. If they were somehow lesser or greater than one another, the greater would not have included the lesser in creation. They are Roles, not natures.

[@jasonheersink3123]

The Auditor yes there is basis, you don’t believe he’s equal with God but here your saying there’s no problem calling him Everlasting Father? According to you that would be blasphemy since you believe the Father is the only True God, the names given describe his equality with the father, God says he shares his glory with no one, “ I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. “ Isaiah 42:8, yet you say He’s going to share it with a created Jesus, your saying God is contradicting himself making him out to be a liar. No my friend, Jesus is God, not a god, not a created god, or an angel“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me NO GOD was formed, nor shall there be any after me” Isaiah 43:10.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

@jasonheersink3123 When did Jesus become the Son?

[@Brokenhill42]

In Rev 5:13 the Lamb is specifically mentioned separate from "every created thing", therefore He can't be created, right? Or else He would also be worshiping, instead of the object of worship.

[@SmalltimR]

The Lamb is not the word, different roles and functions With that said, the Lamb of God was brought into being through death and resurrection of YHWH's own blood - that is to say, perfection In addition to this, the quality of worship given to the Lamb and God is not the worship due to God alone, as that worship is identified in Rev 4, and is specific to the Most High God who's will is done - see; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺

[@Thedisciplemike]

Way to absolutely ignore the point 😂​@@SmalltimR

[@samevans6521]

Very skilled presentation. I am a Christian, the J/W debater is very educated, in fact they are very well educated.

[@jimjuri6490]

Not sure if that was a genuine JW. JWs do not debate on public forums. 2 Timothy 2:23 Further, reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights.

[@jackiepowell7513]

J w s r very trained but can t get outside a script.

[@clydewaldo3144]

I doubt very much that this a genuine Jehovah,s witness

[@sylvie-j4i]

greg Stafford sounds skilled only to the ignorants on these biblical subjects.....

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

This guy is now disfellowshipped Because he’s are NOT educated like this They do not allow people to debate their positions They themselves never do

[@mimamima2]

Angels were created not begotten

[@bretherenlee1404]

Jesus said he was created in the book of john chapter six

[@bretherenlee1404]

@@ochr5149 john 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father,

[@bretherenlee1404]

@@ochr5149 Jesus says his life depends on the Father that he is alive because of the Father

[@randyw.8781]

@@bretherenlee1404 That doesn't make Him Michael.

[@bretherenlee1404]

@@ochr5149 Jesus said his life depends on the Father that he is alive because of the Father that says it all

[@carmelomizzi7679]

Jesus said put down this temple , (His body) , and I will raise it up , who can raise himself up from the dead , but God alone ...

[@canderssonswedican7486]

Galatians 1:1 {Father raised Jesus from dead} Paul, an apostle, not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead; John 2:19-21 {Jesus raised himself from dead} Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. Matthew 26:61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’” Romans 8:11 {Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead} But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Acts 3:26 {God raised Son from the dead} Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[@bobpolo2964]

@@canderssonswedican7486 Did Jesus also say He has the power to raise Himself from the dead? That's either true or false

[@hmdchy]

@@bobpolo2964 fallacy

[@bobpolo2964]

@@hmdchy How so

[@emailgmail5516]

The real question is HOW CAN GOD DIE?????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@VAIO294]

>>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what *The Father says* and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." Have you heard and learned from *"JEHOVAH"*?.. Have you come to *JESUS CHRIST* and placed your Faith in **Him** for your salvation, like *"JEHOVAH"* has commanded??... Or is your faith placed in an *"organization"* of men falsely claiming to be representing God?

[@robgibbs216]

WOW. This debate was 🔥 🔥 🔥 James White is the 🐐 and this kid was GOOD. He must have been trained for this since his youth to be the JW champ. But no Goliath can stand up to Yahweh’s anointed!

[@BlackJ1234]

He is not a JW... JW's do not participate in Debates... only peaceful discussions.... he is a back slider hence y he took the stand... But did really well for a back slider

[@kenba3636]

Very easy to dismiss Jehovah's witness .Doctrine is flawed

[@BlackJ1234]

@@kenba3636ARE U SURE? U cannot even define 1. Begotten 2. born 3. son u even deny Jesus' own words when he said Pray this way ... our father... which means the jesus want us 2 call god father the way he calls him father... so if jesus is yahweh does this mean we r also ... coz he old us to call god father as he did as well

[@arsenioobejas6234]

​@@BlackJ1234why add something to the bible if you think you are correct, like in John 1:1, your religion added "a god", when in the interlinear bible it says "God". Even in Colossians 1:16-17 your religion added the word "all other",why why why???

[@arsenioobejas6234]

​@@BlackJ1234why did he backslide, maybe he realizes he is wrong all the time...

[@kilyn12]

[29] Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him. [30] So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.” (Genesis 32:29-30 ESV) If Jdubs say this was not God that wrestled with Jacob then why does he address him in prayer. [14] And Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on the head of Manasseh, crossing his hands (for Manasseh was the firstborn). [15] And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, [16] the angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.” (Genesis 48:14-16 ESV) As you can see the trinity was hinted in the bible sense Genesis

[@kilyn12]

***** I'm sure you have researched this a lot.Once you look a little more into this you will find that Genesis was written in Hebrew not Greek.The text says God.

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

Jehovah's Witnesses, happy 100th anniversary of the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away. 1914-2014 Rest in Peace.

[@mariosmanesis8376]

thanks P,S,G,

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

***** They'll do what they're told to believe. And like it.

[@bryangry]

1914 to 2014 join the JW's as they celebrate 100 years of nothing happening

[@bryangry]

Debra Tefs Did any of the watchtowers prophecies about the end come true or did nothing happen? Poor Debra lost following a false prophet....sad stuff

[@sherriek2225]

Larry Charms Hi.I believe as this World gets Worse,the Kingdom gets Closer..

[@VAIO294]

>>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *EVERYONE* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” Are you looking to **JESUS** or to an *"organization"*? .

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

Amen. Excellent way to put it. I never would have said it better 👏

[@googleuser4523]

the organization looks to jesus

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@@googleuser4523 wrong. The fruits it produces doesn't. Just like a Catholic they would say the same thing.

[@lyndabutcher5883]

Jesus !!! All religions have a organisation to go to. !!! Does not mean because JW calls it his org Is different.....dan 2:44 he set up a kingdom in heaven and on earth and Jesus is now ruling as king to call all to his father Jehovah to know and worship him. Why? So he and us sanctified Gods NAME that they the churches took out of the bible gods name . Jehovah. 7000 times , Satan wants this worship. We prove this if you listen to God And humble yourself , meek will inherit. Not ones who argue about God. God will do it himself soon. Let vengeance be mine says the lord...he will let us all know soon. On his day. If you believe in Jesus random sacrifice for us you will live if you don't ?????????

[@VAIO294]

@@lyndabutcher5883- You do NOT get access to God NOR get eternal life through a "religion" OR "organization. - You receive this free gift of Eternal life *at the very moment* you repent and trust *Jesus* to save you based on what He did for you 2000+ years ago when He died and paid for your sins with His BLOOD. --- *Your sins are then forgiven and you, therefore, **_"HAVE eternal life"_* APART from ANY connection to ANY religious organization and APART from any works that your faith in Jesus may prompt you to do. -->1 John 5:12-13 ~ _“He who has _*_Jesus Christ HAS Eternal Life._*_ … I write these things to you _*_who Believe on JESUS CHRIST_*_ so that you may KNOW that you _*_HAVE Eternal Life.”_* -->Gal 3:22 ~ _“... so that what was promised _*_(Eternal Life),_*_ being given through _*_Faith in JESUS CHRIST,_*_ may be given to those who BELIEVE."_

[@foreversingle1975]

Wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. Jesus Rose from the dead after 3 days.

[@jimjuri6490]

Actually Jesus need help to come back into life from a death state. Peter testifies: (Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.

[@krism5575]

Galatians 1:1 - Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead John 2:19 - Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” Romans 8: 11 The Holy Spirit raised Jesus from the dead. If the same Holy Spirit lives in you, He will give life to your bodies in the same way. Jesus was resurrected by God. And by that we can mean that it was the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[@debraannmartinez7157]

@@krism5575 No.. It was God who raised him!!

[@krism5575]

@@debraannmartinez7157 those verses are the evidences that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit raised him from the dead. That's a triune God.

[@krism5575]

@@debraannmartinez7157 exactly 💯

[@elelpida]

Josephus ( 37 -100 AD) Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."{14} F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."{15} And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.{16} As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares: About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be CRUCIFIED, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17}

[@elelpida]

***** The jews even until today do not pronounce the name of God.

[@kilyn12]

[25] “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. [26] Put me in remembrance; let us argue together; set forth your case, that you may be proved right. (Isaiah 43:25-26 ESV) [24] I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24 ESV) [13] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13 ESV)

[@VAIO294]

>>> *Gal **3:26* ~ “You are all sons of God through your **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**. >>> *2 Tim **3:15* ~ “…salvation through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST**.”

[@generaldrux3108]

Man, glad to see this video is recommended to me again after like 3 years. Καλά πράγματα, Greg! lol :D

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

maybe any j-dub can answer this because eagle can't. Why is the FDS in Matt 24:46 called a "him" if there are 8 body members?

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

***** Back at you, why is your Faithful slave called "he" if there are 8 of them? you won't answer it.

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

***** Because you can't argue your faith with me. Disproving you is a daily delight for me. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

[@TheJpgr1958]

preto shohmoofc guy Hey preto, why does David respond to you, but will not debate you after he accepted your challenge to debate you? By responding to you, isn't he in a round about way debating? I think deep down inside, David does want to debate. If he didn't, he would just ignore what you or anyone else states here about JWS.

[@pretoshohmoofcguy6523]

TheJpgr1958 yup. They think that if they say something in some way, they are still in the fight.

[@shihtzufizzers]

As for the 144,000 being called "he" they are also known as a group of 144,000 and known as christ Bride. Nowhere in the bible does God portray himself as being 3 members. therefore he is a He. and not 3. God is God, Jesus is Jesus and the holy spirit is Gods active force. The father AND the son AND the holy spirit. 3 separate placements. it does not say father WHO IS the son, WHO IS ALSO holy spirit - When we use the word AND it separates the previous statement from the next. causing two or more effects.

[@JESUISSMYSAVIOR]

"WHEN READING MARK 24:32-36" Look up Hebrew marriage customs. The bride does not know when the groom will come. [28] So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am HE, and that >>I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. (John 8:28 ESV)>he said to him, “Lord, you know everything;

[@evelynerazohernandez9354]

Jesse Sanchez no one knows when Jesus Christ is coming for his church he's coming like a thief in the nigh.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

Proof #13 The Son is God and Man KNOWS DAY AND HOUR, DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR Objection on the Deity of the Son: Mark 13:32 New King James Version 32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. God is Omniscient; He knows all things. The Son does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; therefore, he can not be God. The Son is God and Man. 100% God and 100% Man. When he said that he does not know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom; he is talking in respect of his humanity. He is saying that no angels or humans, including himself as human, know it. Now, the question is: Is the Son being God knows the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom? The answer to that is yes. Acts 1:6-7 New King James Version 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. Take note: The Son said, "It is not for you to know times or seasons." He did not say, "It is not for us to know times or seasons." By not including himself, he is implying that he does know the day and the hour of his coming to restore the kingdom. Are there other verses that would prove that Jesus is Omniscient? Yes John 21:17 New King James Version 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep. John 16:30 New King James Version 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” JESUS' DIVINITY - KNOWS DAY AND HOUR JESUS' HUMANITY - DOES NOT KNOW DAY AND HOUR

[@sherriek2333]

Mat 18:12-14. ''What do You think? If a man has a hundred sheep,and one of them goes astray,does he not leave the Ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it,assuredly,I say to you,he rejoices more over that sheep than over the Ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of Your Father who is in Heaven that one of these little ones should Perish..... The Greatest (Most important) person in the Kingdom of Heaven,is the person that makes himself Humble,like a Child..If we don't do this We will Never enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

[@sherriek2333]

If we Consider what Jesus say's here,It is not the Will of Your FATHER,that any of these should perish..Is Jesus here not refering to a Higher Power than himself-The Father?

[@sheld803]

sherrie k Yes, but only as to His divine human nature . Jesus showed us the ''exeplar'' of the very servanthood and childlike nature that God the Father was pleased to dwell in.. . .

[@sherriek2333]

Jo Ashley I think we both will agree to this one..John 8:12. Jesus spoke again to the people,he said. ''I am the Light of the world, Whoever follows Me,Will Never walk in darkness,but will have the Light of Life''....

[@sheld803]

Jo Ashley All goes back to Genesis 2 when we were in the garden ..) .

[@sherriek2333]

Jo Ashley Hmm if only..

[@kingwater6596]

I'm Glad this Debate Happened Glory to the Most High

[@Demetrius3434]

The verse that the Jehovah's Witnesses love to hate: It is written, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8 AMP) Now, I would like to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses, "Who is to come?" The Father Jehovah or the Son Jesus Christ? The Definitive Answer is: It is written, "He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly. Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20)

[@bryangry]

Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!"

[@nathangreen1692]

Jehovah witness clearly teach that Jesus is the one that comes the son of Jehovah Jehovah‘s first creation Jesus which is Michael the Archangel

[@staceygrove7295]

@@nathangreen1692 Simple isn't it?

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@@nathangreen1692 ​Colossians 1:15-17 Note that Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created (Greek word protoktistos). The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. Firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership. Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ’s sovereignty over creation. TAKE NOTE: HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS. He is not part of all things or creation. Who can be before creation? GOD

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

Proof #30 The Son is God NOT A CREATURE Revelation 5:13 New King James Version 13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” The Son is in heaven here, he should be part of every creature that is in heaven; instead the Son together with the Father was praise, honored and glorified by every creature. THE SON IS NOT A CREATURE. Remember, there is only God and His Creation; only Creator and His Creatures. If the Son is not a Creature then he must be the Creator, therefore he must be GOD.

[@lindahartle6367]

We nead to know the Difference,between,Symbolic Speech and what is Figurative Speech.:)

[@bryangry]

In the year that King Uz·zi′ah died,+ I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne,+ and the skirts of his robe filled the temple. 2 Seraphs were standing above him; each had six wings. Each* covered his face with two and covered his feet with two, and each of them would fly about with two. 3 And one called to the other: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies.+ The whole earth is filled with his glory.” 8 Then I heard the voice of Jehovah saying: “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?”+ The little plus at the end of verse 8 gives a ref to 4 other scriptures....would anyone care to guess...I will give you one of them John 12:41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him. :)

[@bryangry]

6:1-8 In this figurative vision, the temple is thrown open to view, even to the most holy place. The prophet, standing outside the temple, sees the Divine Presence seated on the mercy-seat, raised over the ark of the covenant, between the cherubim and seraphim, and the Divine glory filled the whole temple. See God upon his throne. This vision is explained, Joh 12:41, that Isaiah now saw Christ's glory, and spake of Him, which is a full proof that our Saviour is God. In Christ Jesus, God is seated on a throne of grace; and through him the way into the holiest is laid open. See God's temple, his church on earth, filled with his glory. His train, the skirts of his robes, filled the temple, the whole world, for it is all God's temple. And yet he dwells in every contrite heart. See the blessed attendants by whom his government is served. Above the throne stood the holy angels, called seraphim, which means burners; they burn in love to God, and zeal for his glory against sin. The seraphim showing their faces veiled, declares that they are ready to yield obedience to all God's commands, though they do not understand the secret reasons of his counsels, government, or promises. All vain-glory, ambition, ignorance, and pride, would be done away by one view of Christ in his glory. This awful vision of the Divine Majesty overwhelmed the prophet with a sense of his own vileness. We are undone if there is not a Mediator between us and this holy God. A glimpse of heavenly glory is enough to convince us that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. Nor is there a man that would dare to speak to the Lord, if he saw the justice, holiness, and majesty of God, without discerning his glorious mercy and grace in Jesus Christ. The live coal may denote the assurance given to the prophet, of pardon, and acceptance in his work, through the atonement of Christ. Nothing is powerful to cleanse and comfort the soul, but what is taken from Christ's satisfaction and intercession. The taking away sin is necessary to our speaking with confidence and comfort, either to God in prayer, or from God in preaching; and those shall have their sin taken away who complain of it as a burden, and see themselves in danger of being undone by it. It is great comfort to those whom God sends, that they go for God, and may therefore speak in his name, assured that he will bear them out.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@@bryangry Just give me 1 verse saying "Father is the only God"

[@oliverjamito9902]

Jesus was already existed. Before, he took the cup. And save his creation with the father ALMIGHTY. It takes a life to save a life. My Jesus, I thank you so much! Humility, spirituality, and faith you showed me. You showed honor, respect, love, and giving your life for me. Who else, upon the dry GROUNDS. Can follow the way you did. To them, who are your true image. Blessed them father.

[@rsbarcangel5483]

know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free from the bondage of sin and death and ignorance

[@elelpida]

Ι have a question: I have studied the New Testament so many times and searched....and searched again... Could someone tell me where in the New Testament it is said that Jesus Christ would come invisible (????) to choose... His people ????

[@elelpida]

***** And it is one of the foundation of their beliefs They have always the choice to wake up. It's up to them!

[@elelpida]

***** Yes, I understand! I'm glad for you and your family. I have a cousin who wasn't so lucky.( I mean she left it alone, her parents are still JW) When she was shunned all the world she knew closed its doors to her. She stayed with me until she could stand up again.... So I understand. I think about what you say you know... we give too many facts and they "defend" themselves, but on the other hand... if someone does not tell them something... when are they going to think for themselves? I pray for the JW because with a little exceptions, they are people that really love God. And there it is where the big deception is... Jw didn't concern me a lot until I got involved with my cousin and saw the suffering she had to go through... : ( I don't know what to say. I'm really happy for you! Gob bless you! To leave a so "toxicating" organization needs a lot of strenght!

[@jessesanchez4869]

***** Nice to see you back my Brother. Hope all is well with you and your loved ones.

[@karlos6628]

No where my friend-its just another watch tower lies-simple as that.

[@georgehuddo]

Nowhere my friend!!! God Bless you GEORGE

[@arielstar4603]

RS reads: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am [Greek, e·go′ ei·mi′].’” (NE, KJ, TEV, JB, NAB all read “I am,” some even using capital letters to convey the idea of a title. Thus they endeavor to connect the expression with Exodus 3:14, where, according to their rendering, God refers to himself by the title “I Am.”) However, in NW the latter part of John 8:58 reads: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” (The same idea is conveyed by the wording in AT, Mo, CBW, and SE.) Which rendering agrees with the context? The question of the Jews (Joh 8 verse 57) to which Jesus was replying had to do with age, not identity. Jesus’ reply logically dealt with his age, the length of his existence. Interestingly, no effort is ever made to apply e·go′ ei·mi′ as a title to the holy spirit.

[@InvestigadorTJ]

Excellent presentation you have there two renderings acknowledged and contextually observed that an I AM statement is a weak which grammatically doesn’t answer the how? question in that verse. Saying before Abraham was I was or I have been fits perfectly because: they (the Jews) are talking about time.. and Jesus answers with a phrase that touches on time. I am is grammatically incorrect and to assume Jesus is god and a perfect being. He wouldn’t have problems speaking correctly. Now we know he wasn’t using the similar phraseology as Jehovah in Exodua 3:14-15 because he didn’t formatted his words as if “Eher Asher Eher” was his name as we see in exodus: look: “Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’*****Then what shall I tell them?” 14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[a] This**** is what you are to say**** to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”*****.. do this how will you be identified or with what name is not what we see in John 8:58 we see a conversation about Jesus past.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

Exactly! I have been or I am points to ALWAYS EXISTING IN THE PRESENT. SHOWS ETERNALITY OF THE SON. Proves that Son has no beginning... If Son had the beginning even before Abraham, then he should have used "I was."

[@elelpida]

Rev 1:4-5, "Grace be unto you, and peace," 1."From Him which is, and which was, and which is to come;" (This is clearly God the Father). 2."From the Seven Spirits which are before His throne; "(This is clearly God the Holy Spirit). 3."From Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth;" (This is clearly God the Son).

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

The biggest problem with this debate is the wallpaper in the background.

[@rachelfox8359]

Love it! Haha! 😂

[@VAIO294]

Despite all their claims of being God‘s "organization", when we look at their 120+ yrs of false prophecies such as their Armageddon failed prophecies for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, and 1975, we have overwhelming evidence that God has NEVER spoken to the Watchtower leaders. .

[@karinesmith6510]

exactly

[@flamingooneleg77]

VAIO294 end of story

[@karinesmith6510]

@@flamingooneleg77 exact

[@karinesmith6510]

absolutly

[@adamkris3817]

They now say they are not inspired by god

[@VAlO294]

*GOD MAKES “NO DISTINCTION” for saving “JW’s.”* Salvation is granted to **ALL** people who Repent and turns to JESUS, by Faith in His Blood. >>> Rom 3:22-25 ~ "This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe.. **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because *ALL* have Sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are saved Freely by His GRACE through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.. *THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD*.”

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

Romans 10:9 says you have to believe that Jesus is Lord to be saved not an angel

[@jofo817]

VAlO294 The Apostle John wrote that denying Jesus is God is "antichrist" which is what the Watchtower Bible and Tract society (JW) do.....they are "antichristian" in doctrine.

[@kilyn12]

41 These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.(Jesus) 42 Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue;(John 12:41-42 NASB) When did Isaiah see Jesus? And it came to pass in the year that king Uzziah died, I saw the Lordsitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and the house was full of His glory. 2And round about Him stood seraphims: the one had six wings, and the otherhad six wings; and with twain they covered their face, and with twain they covered their feet, and with twain they did fly.3And they cried one to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Sabaoth: the whole earth is full of His glory.4And the lintel was lifted up at the voice wherewith they did cry; and the house was filled with smoke.5Then said I, O wretch that I am, for I am pricked to the heart; because I am a man, and have unclean lips, and I dwellin the midst of a people which have unclean lips: and with mine eyes have I seen the King, the Lord of Sabaoth.(Isaiah 6:1-5 Septuigant) That's when Isaiah saw Jesus.

[@НатанаилСталев-ф2р]

Yes God Jesus is the God on the throne in Isaiah 6! Read the Targum of Isaiah! The Word of the Lord is God Jesus/Y'shua!

[@ernstpattynama6361]

Just a stupid remark: The JWs are 'right' in every way! Jesus did die on the 'torture stake', The Word is 'A' God, the Bible is 'wrong' in many ways so it should be re-written, re-interpretated and that is why the JW published the NWT, despite the many other translations in English, all 'incorrect' of course according JW.. I don't know whether Russell did the retransaltion, but I know that he didn't know Greek. So . . . the JW is 'right' in all their doings (my foot!)

[@smalltimer4370]

As Bibles are translations of scripture, it is the scripture from which Bibles are translated that are the authoritative text rather than Bibles. That said, I don't think the translation of 'a God', is as big an issue as people tend to make it, as we read of the son anointed to the throne, and who is identified as a God with a GOD above Him.

[@wylolister3218]

@@smalltimer4370 Bible truth vs JWs error filled "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (Yes, expectations with false dates!) "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?) Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond and added to scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!

[@VAIO294]

>>> *Gal **3:22* ~ “…so that what was promised (*Eternal Life*), being given through **FAITH in JESUS CHRIST**, may be given to them that *Believe*.” .

[@mimamima2]

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. ..... Isaiah's Vision of the Lord6 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train[a] of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said: He saw Jesus remember no one has seen God ever.

[@johnbee1069]

What's the point of reading the Bible when you add words to make it say whatever you want?

[@hassansomalia2902]

Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""

[@hassansomalia2902]

@@johnbee1069 Quran chapter 25.: 1 " ""Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (Quran)) upen His Servant ( Mohammed ) that may be to the worlds a warn. "" He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a Son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it witch precise determination. """ But They have taken besides Him gods which create nothing while they are created and possess not for them selves any harm or benefit and possessnot ( power to cause) death or life or resurrection"""""""

[@monkmonk6068]

@@johnbee1069 AMEN, to that statement!! They also twist and turn the SCRIPTURES like a pretzel, in order to make Christ Jesus GOD ALMIGHTY, which the BIBLE does NOT teach.

[@cedricgaming5106]

@@monkmonk6068 1john 5:20 says exactly that Jesus is the true God

[@VAIO294]

*TO ALL “JW’s”* …. I keep seeing your comments saying, *“Jesus is NOT Almighty God.. The Father is Almighty God and Jesus is The SON of God.”* ... You believe this distinction you’re stating between The Father and The Son somehow makes your Watchtower god be *“Almighty God”* by default... But it *DOES NOT!* Unless your “god” is directing you to *GO TO JESUS* for your Salvation, your “god” is *NOT* the “Almighty God” of the Holy Bible even despite the distinction you are stating between The Father and The Son. Believing that *"Jesus is NOT Almighty God but he is the Son of God"* will NOT, NOT. NOT, NOT give you or anyone else access to God and Eternal Life. Repentance and Faith in what JESUS CHRIST did for us when He died and paid for our Sins is what saves a person from their Sins and gives us Eternal Life. And understand this also…. The person who repents and *GOES TO JESUS* for their salvation IS ACCEPTED BY GOD *even if they believe “Jesus is Almighty God” or even if they believe that “Jesus and The Father are the same person“*, and *even if they agree with the Trinity doctrine* … That’s right!... If they *GO TO JESUS* by Faith in him, they are FORGIVEN of their Sins and *THEY ARE ACCEPTED by God* while YOU continue to be *separated* from God by your sins because you are looking to an “ORGANIZATION” for your salvation instead of looking to the Savior JESUS CHRIST. And again.. I tell you these things as a person who *has been SENT by Jesus Christ Himself.* >>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." >>> *John **6:40* ~ “The Father’s will is that *Everyone* who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *Matt **11:28* ~ " *COME TO ME, JESUS*, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." . .

[@InvestigadorTJ]

We accept Jesus the debate is constructive to understand the correct identity of Jehovah and Jesus the relationship about the essence of divinity or divine essence

[@VAIO294]

@@InvestigadorTJ --- No, you *reject* Jesus as your Savior by falsely believing your salvation is through the Watchtower Corporation's *"ORGANIZATION."* -- That Watchtower false teaching is *antichrist.*

[@InvestigadorTJ]

VAIO294 no we are Christian Witnesses of Jah, we don’t accept traditions of men and the idea that salvation is THRu an organization... we believe that it is thru JESUS and him only because that’s how the Father decided it a such

@@InvestigadorTJ --- The *evidence* proves that you are *NOT* "Christian Witnesses of Jah." ---- Take a look at these Watchtower quotes below. The Watchtower's false message that people *MUST* belong to its *“ORGANIZATION”* to have salvation is the *Satanic lie* that’s at the very *foundation* of the JWs antichrist cult. . >>> _“You _*_MUST_*_ be part of Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION,_*_ doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of _*_EVERLASTING LIFE (salvation).”_* ~ ( You Can live Forever Book (1982, 1990, p.255 ) . >>> _"A third _*_REQUIREMENT_*_ (for SALVATION) is that we be associated with God's channel, his _*_ORGANIZATION.”_* ~ (Watchtower, Feb 15, 1983, pg. 12 ) . >>> _"But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's "ORGANIZATION* there would be no place else to go for _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower Sept 15, 1993, pg.22 ) . >>> _"…identifying themselves with Jehovah’s _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ is _*_ESSENTIAL_*_ to their _*_SALVATION."_* ~ (Our Kingdom Ministry, 11/1990, pg. 1) . >>> _"And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to _*_come to Jehovah's ORGANIZATION for SALVATION."_* ~ (Watchtower 1981 Nov. 15 pg.21 ) . >>> _".. to leave Jehovah's _*_ORGANIZATION_*_ ... we would _*_LOSE*not only the privilege of doing God's will but also *he hope of life in God's new world."_* ~ (Watchtower 2016 Jun study ed p.26) . As we can see by the above quotes, the Watchtower is definitely an antichrist cult that gives people a *worthless faith* in an *“organization”* that can *NOT* save you nor anyone else -- which is Satan’s antichrist agenda. --- The WT is *IMPUTING Salvation to its "ORGANIZATION,"* which is IDOLATRY and a *rejection* of JESUS CHRIST as your Savior! . Yes, the Watchtower Corporation's Board of Directors (GB) has REPLACED *Faith in JESUS CHRIST* for salvation (like the Bible says), with the Satanic *lie* of: Salvation through its *“ORGANIZATION.“* .

[@InvestigadorTJ]

VAIO294 again we don’t abide by The Watchtower.. it sounds like you have no knowledge of the CWJ. We are JWs who have rejected the traditions of men we don’t see the “governing body” as authoritative as the Bible or the pope for the Roman Catholics... these quotes would apply if I was a Watchtower witness and NOT a Christian Witness of Jah! Salvation thru Jesus alone. We recognize the three things Yahowah as God, Jesus as his son who died for our sins and treat others how we want to be treated. A part from that we are not directed by a leader or authority... We even acknowledge that their are other groups that identified Jah and the means do salvation thru a person and NOT thru an organization, we DOnt claim to know everything but we go towards what is the best available reasons for our faith. WE are Christians Witnesses of JAH יהרה

[@tdickensheets]

Jehovah’s Witnesses 18 Questions Debunked on if Jesus is God then explain the following: If Jesus is God why is he called the firstborn of all creation? Colossians 1:15; Revelation 3:14. If Jesus is God why did he say that he did not come of his own initiative? John 5:19, 30. If Jesus is God why did he not know the day and hour of the Great Tribulation? Matthew 24:36. If Jesus is God then why did he pray to God? If Jesus is God how did he appear before the person of God? Hebrews 9:24. If Jesus is God why did he say the Father is greater than I am? John 14:28. If Jesus is God why did he need someone’s approval? Matthew 3:17. If Jesus is God how could he be exalted to a superior position? Philippians 2:9. If Jesus is God why did Paul say the head of Christ is God? 1 Corinthians 11:3. If Jesus is God why did he say My Father and my God? John 20:17. If Jesus is God how could he sit at God’s right hand? Psalm 110:1. If Jesus is God why does John say no man has seen God? John 1:18. If Jesus is God why did people not die when they saw Jesus? Exodus 33:20-23. If Jesus is God how was Jesus dead and God alive at the same time? Acts 2:22-24. If Jesus is God why did he need someone to save him? Hebrews 5:7. If Jesus is God why did he need to learn obedience? Hebrews 5:8. If Jesus is God who is referred to prophetically in Proverbs 8:22? If Jesus is God how could he be given authority? Matthew 28:18

[@wylolister3218]

I don't think you understand the trinity concept. These questions you ask are not a surprise to trinity believers nor do they change anything. I could ask you, did God send his son or did Christ "empty Himself" to become a servant, in human likeness? Philippians 2:5-7 - 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 *but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness* … BTW, I don't know myself, don't think the Bible is clear one way or the other and don't think God cares about this subject anyway. What difference does it make?

[@watteffer]

@@wylolister3218 The two aren't mutually exclusive. God asked, the Christ agreed. Compare Isaiah 6:8-10 with Matthew 13:14-15. Your father asks you to get some milk, and when you get to the shop counter you say, "My father sent me, I got in the car..." - can you see the point?

[@anonymousu6398]

The fact you alluded the Comma Johanneum ultimately shows you are in error. You lost the second you mentioned it...

[@wylolister3218]

@@watteffer You wrote: "Your father asks you to get..." You are applying human logic here to God. Did God send his son or did Philippians 2:5-7 - 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 *but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness* … Which is it? Did God send his son or did Christ empty himself to become a servant, human? See the point? 1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, *the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:* He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. Colossians 2:9 says Jesus has "fullness" of deity, god ship, Godhead. Is that "fullness" 100%, 50%, or 33% ???

[@onemarktwoyou]

This was a great debate. I never seen James White ever pushed this hard. This time the JW didn't let Mr. White play the I know Greek and you don't games. I seen Mr. White wipe up catholics and muslims! But I never thought a JW would put a smack down on him!!!! I think this would be great for a bible study if the points were examined in a group setting!

[@TheCaledonianBoy]

onemarktwoyou I must agree.

[@jamespitts10]

“smack down” must have a different meaning in your culture

[@TeamPlayer-ft3pp]

The Trinity Doctrine is not taught anywhere in scripture, but trinities were common in Paganism. They are rooted in Babylon, prominent in Egypt, still exist in India, and is the foundation of Roman Catholicism. The beginnings of recognition of this doctrine for Christianity started at the Council of Nicea approximately 325 AD. Hundreds of years after the last book in the Bible was written. The Council of Nicea was organized by the Roman Emperor Constantine and he had the final say on matters that he had little understanding of. He was also head of the Pagan religions. During and after the Roman Empire, creed followed creed, and eventually idols were accepted as forms that we can worship God through. Mary was exalted to Mother of God (a title that goes back to Babylon) and worship of the saints was also sanctioned. The organized church we see today was built on top of these creeds. The creeds were and are the foundation for many of today’s churches/denominations. These denominations are not to be confused with the Body of Christ spoken of in the scripture. Most denominations are still rooted in a Trinitarian creed of some kind. So their foundation is the Trinity which came from Babylon. The mother of these denominations the Roman Catholic Church murdered approximately 50 million people, had armies which Jesus had said his church did not need, and banned access to scripture to Christians. This time is known by the descriptive term, ‘The Dark Ages’. As a result of the Reformation, many new denominations started up, but they too held onto some of the creeds including the Trinity Doctrine. Babylon means confusion and the foundation of most denominations is the Trinity Doctrine which is confusing to all, even proponents of the doctrine. People are told to come out Babylon the Mystery religion lest we partake in her sins and iniquity. Who is Babylon? She is the mother of all harlots and the kings of the Earth have committed adultery with her. She is the religious system that was rooted in Babylon and she has made the whole world drunk on her wine. From a historical point of view it seems strange to me that one of the pillars of Christianity didn’t come into existence or wasn’t recognized until 300 years after the death of Christ. On this point alone, I think its strange that we are encouraged not to question this doctrine and worse still, the the circumstances in which this doctrine came about should lead any clear thinking person to be at least suspicious. In addition to that, the fruit of this doctrine appears to be bad. We know that one lie leads to another and history shows us that making Jesus God, opened the door for Mary to become the mother of God. Further, if Mary is the Mother of God, then that opens the door to the worship of other humans or saints.

[@TheConor43]

I'm 9 years late, but this was a fantastic comment. I trust God has preserved you over the years ✝️

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

Just give me 1 verse saying "Father is the only God"

[@MegaMalema]

Great comment. Gives good context of the development of the trinity and how it is still being pushed in the church of Christ

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

Let me refresh you on how God reveals Himself in the bible, which is the Trinity: Father is God Son is God Holy Spirit is God They are not 3 Gods, but 1 God Father is Yahweh Son is Yahweh Holy Spirit is Yahweh They are not 3 Yahwehs, but 1 Yahweh Father is not the Son Son is not the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit is not the Father 3 DISTINCT PERSONS 1 UNITED INFINITE YAHWEH GOD

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

In Trinity: Father - is a spirit (fully God) Son - Spirit of Christ (fully God) Human (fully Man with body, soul and spirit) Holy Spirit - is a spirit (fully God)

[@jessesanchez4869]

rawbrutaltruth Firstborn does not mean first-created. We must go the to Greek to get the full meaning in context. Greek word for "Firstborn" is PROTOTOKOS meaning first in rank, heir, supremacy and preeminent one. The Greek word for "First-created" is PROTOKTISIS. Different Greek word. "Firstborn" does not mean first-created in the Colossian text. Ex. King David was (last born) son Jesse, yet called "firstborn" Psalms 89:27 (Preeminent) When we read Colossian Chap 1 in its entirety, the full correct interpretation comes clear. (Col. 1:15-18) For by HIM were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven (including stars, angelic armies), & that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by HIM, and for him; And HE is BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by him ALL THINGS CONSIST.."firstborn" from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE.

[@jessesanchez4869]

Letdtruth bknown So you are disagreeing with your discreet and slave?

[@jessesanchez4869]

Letdtruth bknown That wasn't the question robot. If I wanted to speak with a robot I would go to an Assembly Hall and buy one. Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?

[@jessesanchez4869]

Letdtruth bknown Why does Jehovah refer to “David my servant” as firstborn, when David was not a firstborn son? In Psalm 89 Jehovah refers to “David my servant” and reviews the covenant for the kingdom that was made with him. In the midst of this is the statement: “I myself shall place him as firstborn, the most high of the kings of the earth.” (Ps 89:20, 27) David was not a firstborn son. (1Ch 2:13-15) So it seems that Jehovah was referring prophetically to the one foreshadowed by David, God’s own “firstborn” Son in heaven upon whom He confers kingship more exalted than that of any human ruler.-Compare Eze 34:24, where Messiah is spoken of as “my servant David.”

[@jessesanchez4869]

Letdtruth bknown Your discreet and slave teaches that Firstborn does not mean First Created..... Uh oh.... What to do now? So what does First Born mean in your own article? Why are you being disobedient to your discreet and slave?

[@mint2bee]

DR. White was extremely under prepared. Couldn't answer very clear questions, trying to filibuster questions. THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS WONE THIS DEBATE. Dr. WHITE sounded like Myorkis answering questions about the border😂 I'm going to find JEHOVAH witness church, I'm definitely interested in the points Stafford brought. Very clear.😮 Payers.

[@briankregg6329]

James White is not a doctor

[@Fassnight]

Bro stop the cap. You are already a JW lol

[@tsgtezzy]

I have to agree. The JW did WONE this… whatever that means. I think it means lost? Idk what’s WONE?

[@briankregg6329]

@@Fassnight I said both are wrong

[@ridingblues]

What the JW teach is NOT in the Bible. It is based on Russell's thoughts. Why do these guys still believe the JW stuff?

[@fredfranz8534]

A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah!+ Make a straight highway+ through the desert for our God.+(Isaiah 40:3 nwt) He said: “I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make the way of Jehovah* straight,’+ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”+(John 1:23 nwt) Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me.+ And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple;+ and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.(Malachi 3:1 nwt) How many times should I see proof that Jesus is Jehovah before I believe it?

[@senneka67]

Jesus Christ said "" I am the light of the world "" John 8:12 Michael the Archangel can not say that only Almighty God can.

[@smalltimer4370]

As it is nowhere written that an Archangel is making such a statement, it would appear that you are presenting a strawman argument. Having said that, from what Bible reasoning would you conclude that only God Almighty can say "I am the light of the world"?

[@JuanLopez-rl7ry]

@@smalltimer4370 Why would an angel be the light in the world in the first place?

[@smalltimer4370]

@@JuanLopez-rl7ry I know right

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Only God is Holy by Nature; meaning, He is sinless and will not sin. Angels can sin; look at Lucifer and the 1/3 of them who are Fallen... ONLY GOD CAN BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...

[@joevi2593]

​@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Jesus also says WE are the light of the world.

[@thesouringgentleman]

Glad William Lane Craig and Matt Dillahunty finally got together to debate. Thanks for the upload!

[@TechElderwiz]

Dirge lol

[@02122_]

I had to search Dillahunty first in order to laugh. lol

[@johnbedell2376]

When you refuse to accept that man has a FINITE intellect, you invent the Watchtower.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

John 11:23-26 👑 "Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

[@JIL-m3j]

Kkkkkkkj

[@mattkruger3801]

@@johnbedell2376 is all the watchtower is , is a study guide. Everything the watchtower talks about takes you to scripture.

[@eve3363]

Useless words you have presented.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

@eve3363 Show me just 1 verse saying "Father is the only God"

[@jessesanchez4869]

What Must We Do To Be Saved? JESUS CHRIST IS THE ANSWER... In view of who Christ is and what He has done for us on the cross, it is our responsibility to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:30-31; John 3:16,18,36). This means we must come to Christ (John 6:35-37) and receive Him as our personal Saviour and Lord (John 1:12; Romans 6:23), realizing and believing the following facts: The Lord Jesus is the only Saviour (Acts 4:12; John 10:9; 14:6). There is no salvation apart from Him. The Lord Jesus died and rose again for our salvation (1 Thessalonians 4:14; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 10:9). The Lord Jesus is able to save us (Hebrews 7:25; Isaiah 59:1; Matthew 19:24-26). The Lord Jesus is willing to save us (John 6:37; compare 1 Timothy 2:4) The Lord Jesus will save us if we trust Him and Him alone as our Saviour (John 3:16).

[@1113hawaii]

Don't forget that no prayers can be heard by the father unless they go through the son. And using the name of God (Jehovah) is critical to be heard by god.

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@1113hawaii Show me just 1 verse saying "Father is the only God" Is Yahweh the only name of God?

[@kilyn12]

Moses promptly called all the elders of Israel+ and said to them: “Go and select young *animals* for each of your families, and slaughter the Passover *sacrifice*. 22 Then you must dip a bunch of hyssop into the blood that is in a basin and strike the upper part of the doorway and the two doorposts with the blood; and none of you should go out of the entrance of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NWT) 21 Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, “Go and take for yourselves *lambs* according to your families, and slay the Passover *lamb*. 22 You shall take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and apply some of the blood that is in the basin to the lintel and the two doorposts; and none of you shall go outside the door of his house until morning.(Exodus 12:21-22 NASB) The watchtower hides the word lamb.I wonder why they would do that.

[@adamkris3817]

Moses is a myth. Torah written in 600 BCE prob by Ezra. There was no exodus. There was no flood...

[@kilyn12]

If Jesus, the man, ceased to exist at his death and was raised from the dead as Michael the Archangel, why did Michael deceive the apostles into believing that they were witnessing Jesus in a resurrected physical body (Luke 24:39)?

[@TheIslandstyle11]

kilyn12 ... NAMES may change but NOT the PERSON.

[@kilyn12]

Dino Tube You ignored the point.Jesus showed them he had a body.Why does the watchtower claim he deceived them?

[@stephaniebrookins6436]

Team Jesus plain and simple❤ only thru him. We are saved.

[@rus7396]

The bible is clear about the identity of Jesus The demons themselves recognized Jesus’ identity and addressed him as the “Son of God,” in ( Matthew 8:29) And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time? “ Good job Mr Stafford

[@kilyn12]

would that make Jesus equal to the Father?

[@angeloquinones6510]

+kilyn12 hi Kilyn my name is Angelo the one who originally posted this KZbin video. I hope you and your family are doing well. yes Jesus is equal with God the Father. BC in Philippians chapter 2 verse 6 the Greek word ISA which means equal an even better qualities this and other verses of the Bible teaches that Jesus shares in all of the communicable and non-communicable attributes of the father. no power in verse 6 of Philippians chapter 2 that Jesus has no beginning he subsisted in the form of God. the Greek word for subsistence is HUPARKON. if you read verse 7 to see what I like to call nature 2 or nature B of Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand that the Logos has two nature nature A and nature B. or nature one and nature 2. nature one is his essential original nature which of course is eternal. however Kilyn Christ added an additional nature that of a Slave for the Greek word DOULOS. in John Chapter 5 Verse 18 we read that Jesus made himself equal to God that is the Greek word ISOS in our day this work may seem funny but in Greek it simply means equal it is the same word found in Revelation chapter 21 verse 16 where we read about the dimensions of the city being equal. please go to my new channel on KZbin and you will get teachings that will help you further just go to Angelo K Rucci Quinones. I just recently made this Channel about a few weeks ago also you can call me by dialing 917-200-4002 many have called me who viewed this debate of James White I have received hundreds of telephone calls both of JW's and Christians the ministry that I have found it I am Ministries is geared to teach Christian's how to answer any group about the deity of Christ and all other things and the ministry is geared to help those who are not Christians. the answer's always will come from the Living Word of God based on the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. may God be praised thank you Kilyn. May God bless you and your family

[@AM-qv9yf]

ruben gomez Son of God is a title describing the realtionship between these two persons of God. The demons knew that.

[@AM-qv9yf]

Angelo Quinones i read this too. and it is so plan to me now. God having a Triune nature make more since to me, then He not having one.

[@loretacabantac7733]

Read the bible

[@IMJW1000]

Psalm 146:1 Praise Jah! Let my whole being praise Jehovah. 2 I will praise Jehovah all my life. I will sing praises to my God as long as I live. 3 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. 5 Happy is the one who has the God of Jacob as his helper, Whose hope is in Jehovah his God, 6 The Maker of heaven and earth, Of the sea, and of all that is in them, The One who always remains faithful, 7 The One securing justice for those defrauded, The One giving bread to the hungry. Jehovah is releasing the prisoners. 8 Jehovah is opening the eyes of the blind; Jehovah is raising up those bowed down; Jehovah loves the righteous. 9 Jehovah is protecting the foreign residents; He sustains the fatherless child and the widow, But he thwarts the plans of the wicked. 10 Jehovah will be King forever, Your God, O Zion, for generation after generation. Praise Jah!*

[@rawbrutaltruth]

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!

[@55k3v1n]

Praise the name of Jesus! Praise the name of Jesus! Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! Jesus never said "Go ye and be witnesses of Jehovah". However, He did say "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8)

[@IMJW1000]

(Je·ho′vah-ji′reh) [Jehovah Will See To [It]; Jehovah Will Provide]. A place on one of the mountains in the land of Moriah where Abraham found a ram caught in a thicket and subsequently offered it instead of Isaac. Abraham viewed this ram as Jehovah’s provision and therefore named the place Jehovah-jireh. Ancient tradition links this location with the site of Solomon’s temple.-Ge 22:2, 13, 14;

[@fromheretoeternity5104]

IMJW1000 likestojam I think this guy really does like Toe jam...he sounds like he's got a mouth full of it right now. I really think he should take his foot out of his mouth.

[@repentchristiscoming7394]

likestojam Pure ignorance! And your ignorant words prove by far your dark spiritual soul. Do you need an explanation of why the Christ died on an upright stake?

[@carmelomizzi7679]

Jesus said Me and the Father are one , what kind of an angel can say that ... ?

[@randyw.8781]

Hebrews takes pain to show Jesus is not a angel. "about the Son" However the Firstborn of all creation = the first of Gods works. Jesus has always been the Son. The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. (from the will of another) Jesus is not Michael and Michael is not Gods firstborn. The eternal Spirit that dwells in Jesus is the Fathers and in that manner they are one. And all the fullness of the Father dwells in Jesus so He is the radiance of Gods glory and the exact representation of Gods being in whom all things hold together. God in that context.

[@NBAmadara]

Again so simple if you keep reading he says I and the father are one just like me and the disciples are one

[@rationalbeing4928]

He meant oneness of purpose, not of person.

[@josebarajas3630]

Yes ....John 14:15-18 and Romans 8:9-11....Amen ,..faith on 🔥

[@MaryMary-cj7wl]

He also said the Father is greater than I !

[@danielgray6799]

It's interesting how Stafford says from 1:29:10 "... that he so perfectly reflects God's will and attributes, and that I should look to him and give him my respect and worship..." and so on... It's interesting because when the Anti-Christ comes, he'll come in the character of the Jewish Messiah performing all sorts of signs and miracles that only God in the OT performed, and in his own heart trying to make himself THE LIKENESS OF God. With Stafford's theology, Satan has achieved that opening with JW's, and all he has to do is put on a show of power for them to believe it.

[@smalltimer4370]

OR... we could simply stick to what the Bible says and draw our conclusions from there

[@wylolister3218]

Agree, JWs appear to be foot soldiers of Satan.

[@sheld803]

Acts 16:7 says, “When they had come down to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.” The interchangeable use of the Spirit of Jesus with the Holy Spirit in Acts 16:6 reveals that the Spirit of Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a general title of the Spirit of God in the New Testament. The Spirit of Jesus is a particular expression concerning the Spirit of God and refers to the Spirit of the incarnated Savior who, as Jesus in His humanity, passed through human living and death on the cross. This indicates that in the Spirit of Jesus there is not only the divine element of God but also the human element and the elements of His human living and His suffering of death as well. Such an all-inclusive Spirit was needed by Paul in his preaching ministry, a ministry of suffering among human beings and for human beings in the human life.

[@smalltimer4370]

​@@sheld803 You're citing a known Bible corruption however; ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα - Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550 ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα· - Textus Receptus 1894 ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ Πνεῦμα. - Greek Orthodox Church ἐλθόντες κατὰ τὴν Μυσίαν ἐπείραζον κατὰ τὴν Βιθυνίαν πορεύεσθαι· καὶ οὐκ εἴασεν αὐτοὺς τὸ πνεῦμα· - RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005 The oldest NT manuscripts do not say "spirit of Jesus," as these words were added in later manuscripts. With that said, it is however remarkable just how many proof-text are actually based on corrupt Bible passages.

[@sheld803]

@@smalltimer4370 why don't you pass on ...

[@elelpida]

Acts 20:28 "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood." When did God the Father shed his blood to redeem us ?

[@isaac1965]

Elpida Tanevramou greetings ! Sadly they translate it as : “ He bought by the blood of His own” meaning His own Son. But the real meaning like you said “ His own blood”

[@elelpida]

Every now and then someone says , "But the Bible never explicitly calls Jesus God!" This is frequently followed by an assertion that Christian teaching on the divinity of Christ was all dreamed up by the Council of Nicea many centuries after the Bible was written. That "Son of God" language was misunderstood as implying the "Son is God" in a way which totally distorts the original intentions of the authors. For those that say that however, I'd invite them to engage with these verses from the ancient New Testament scriptures. John 20:28 - Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Romans 9:5 - ...Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, Hebrews 1:8 - But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever… 2 Peter 1:1 - ...the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ… Could it be more explicit? If so, how?

[@Rafail-Nikolaidis]

@bgillard12 I am from Greece and read the Greek Bible....! The verse from Elpida Tanevramou is truth

[@jessesanchez4869]

Shadegat3 John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves??? Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"??? Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible???

[@kilyn12]

Jesse Sanchez Are the Greek jdubs at odds with the jdubs in the United States?

[@jessesanchez4869]

kilyn12 I will have to say yes according to their own NWT Greek Version. Top it off, makes you wonder why they left out the indefinite article in their NWT Greek Version.... What were they trying to hide? Better yet, I believe they were scared to add the indefinite article. Imagine if they did???

[@kilyn12]

Jesse Sanchez They would turn a blind eye to it like they do here when presented proof that the watchtower alters things.

[@jessesanchez4869]

kilyn12 They are taught to lie at all cost....Insight Volume 2 (1988) page 244-245 While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

[@jessesanchez4869]

kilyn12 They are taught to lie again.......Watchtower 6-1-1960 pages 352 There is one exception, however, that the Christian must ever bear in mind. As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.

[@jdubb6557]

Fascinating debate.

[@bryangry]

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. "our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ"

[@yhwh777100]

(Gal.5:22,23)22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

[@edwardwhite9793]

That’s true and I agree to that.....it’s nice meeting you here.. I’m Edward by name, it would be nice getting to know you,if that’s ok with you? My mom once said good friends are never too much to have. if you don’t mind, can we be friends??

[@jessesanchez4869]

Scripture of the Day (Daniel 2:44) Kingdom of Christ A kingdom that shall never be destroyed. The eternal kingdom is the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ (Is. 9:7; Luke 1:33; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 11:15). This kingdom was inaugurated and preached at the First Coming of Christ (Mark 1:15; Matt. 12:28; 24:14), but does not come in its fullness until His Second Advent. See “The Kingdom of God” at Luke 17:20. ToastalStrudelYah (Luke 17:20-21) Will you be able to observe Paradise Earth? or Can you see the Paradise Earth?

[@TheCaledonianBoy]

Jesse Sanchez Hey Jesse, you still on the go then?

[@bigbrownhouse6999]

". . .waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us." Titus chapter 2.

[@johnbrien6313]

Yes Jesus is the glory of our Great God snd savior! In the immediate context v10 says God is our Savior’ Trinitarians have turned a noun ‘doxa’ into an adjective in some texts

[@johnbrien6313]

@@mateopribyl9218 can you explain the point you are trying to make? Thank you

[@johnbrien6313]

@@mateopribyl9218 It does NOT! It teaches that Jesus is SON of God!

[@alfaromeo101]

@@johnbrien6313 is Jesus God or No?

[@johnbrien6313]

@@alfaromeo101 Surely it’s clear that he is NOT Who did Christ pray to? Who did Christ tell us to pray to ? Ruth versus tradition!

[@VAIO294]

*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”!… I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* .. And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud… But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*. But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to *“ALL“* people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins. >>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.” >>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *John **3:36* ~ " *WHOEVER* Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.” I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God. .

[@flip4247]

You have every misconception that most people have about jws

[@hilonate69420]

@@flip4247 care to give examples?

[@jessesanchez4869]

TeamPlayer2054 "RIGHTEOUSNESS" from GOD comes through faith “ALONE” in "JESUS CHRIST" to "ALL" who "BELIEVE". (Rom. 3:22) "SALVATION" is based wholly on GOD’s unmerited favor (GRACE), not on the believer’s performance. Good works are the fruit, not the basis of salvation. (Eph. 2:8-10; Titus 3:4-8). Obedience to rules as a requirement for salvation nullifies the gospel. (Gal. 2:16-21; Col. 2:20-23) So Team, stop trying to sell and propagandizing your watch tower literature into recruiting them into the organization because Jesus Christ said "I AM the Way, and the Truth and the Life, No one comes to the Father except by ME" (John 14:6) and not the watch tower. >>If you want to help lead people to Christ Jesus Alone.

[@aspreedacore]

And if you want to help please stop preaching this god dishonoring literal lawless doctrine.

[@viscountmarg-thomas6690]

Greg arguments make much more sense compared to what the scriptures teach.

[@johnbee1069]

The statement let us make pertains to Jesus carrying our God's will in heaven - which is revealed in Job when before the assembly of the angels who testified creation. With that said, the declaration is then made singular because there is only one divine prerogative in heaven, that is the Father's and His alone. All this is clearly written in scripture btw. and so the trinitarian assumption is nothing but wishful thinking as it rests entirely on unfounded presumptions.

[@stevenprestidge]

MrJayguess there is one point I don’t think that you’re considering when Moses us to see God says God said to Moses you cannot see my face and live God was too powerful to come down to the Earth as a man it wasn’t possible you show this to Moses but when he saw a little of gods glory is face admitted raise and when he went down from the mountain of people was frightened so you mighty God was far too powerful to come going to viewer I’m not only that I see not gotIn mortality if you have a mortality you cannot die so God couldn’t of been on the steak because it couldn’t of done it it makes much more sense to tsync the Sun die for mankind and not got him self

[@stevenprestidge]

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[@stevenprestidge]

Pusalieth qq

[@irobot1244]

The best lie is a mix of truth and fiction. Christianity claims they base their belief on the Bible, the do so, but they assume the 'Bible' is the mix of the Jewish Bible which is Torah (5 Books of Moses + Tanakh) AND the New Testament. Only the Judaism which bases on the true Scriptures can claim they're based on 'The Bible', not Christianity or whoever else with their made-up 'scriptures'. Judaism even acknoledges Jesus as he taught for the Torah, not against it. It's the people who've elevated Jesus to the level of G-d, especially Paul, which Christianity is mostly based on. In essence, Christians are not Christians, they're Paulians, or Shaulians, or followers of Paul, NOT Jesus. Because the proof is overwhelming that Jesus preached to follow Torah and G-d's laws/commandments. Even the notion that G-d would commit adultery and impregnate a married woman (yes, Mary was already married to Joseph) which is a SIN, is preposterous! G-d cannot break his own commandments against adultery and impregnate a married woman... what?! does He now deserve to be stoned to death? According to the Commandments? Deut 22:22 Plus, Jesus cannot be a King due to Curse of Jechoniah, Jeremiah 22. Demand to blindly 'believe!!!' is illogical and fails under scrutiny and study of the 'Real Bible' - the Jewish Bible. Do your research before you go believe blindly anything you hear that sounds good and sounds like an easy 'fix'. And yes, sin is NOT only forgiven by blood sacrafice only, as mentioned only in Hebrews. Blood is NOT required for forgiveness of sin, but repentance. Again, do your research instead of following these wind-teachings :) Shalom.

[@VAlO294]

If the Watchtower organization was ever truly representing "JEHOVAH" like it claims, He would have *FULFILLED* some of it's many false prophecies for HIS OWN NAME SAKE, for the "Vindication" of His own name *JEHOVAH* that the Watchtower leaders, and it’s followers, claim to be representing. ~ (see following scripture) >>Isaiah 44:24-26 ~ “I am the LORD (JEHOVAH) the Maker of all things…who FOILS the signs of *FALSE PROPHETS* and makes fools of diviners.. Who *CARRIES OUT* the words of His servants and *FULFILLS* the predictions of His messengers.” ~ NIV Yes,, the real JEHOVAH of The Holy Bible has deliberately shown the Watchtower leaders to be LIARS and false prophets by Him NOT fulfilling a single one of the many prophecies they've falsely made in His name for over 100 years. .

[@kilyn12]

[30] Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” [31] And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” [32] And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. [33] And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. [34] Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God. (Acts 16:30-34 ESV) It says to believe in Jesus to be saved.If you read the last line in that it shows exactly who Jesus really is.If the Jesus you believe in is not God then you believe in a false Jesus.Also notice they were baptized that hour of the night,no need to wait.

[@VAIO294]

kilyn12 .. You mean that, according to *THE BIBLE*, a person does *NOT* have to have a *12 month indoctrination of Watchtower books* before they can be BAPTIZED??... You mean a person can accept God's salvation through *faith in Christ* and be baptized *THAT SAME DAY??*. WOW!!!... This is certainly a revelation that "JW's" need to get!.

[@shane316]

​​​​@@VAIO294 even more important is the revelation that Jesus is God. John 8:24-25;58 teach this. Colossians 1:15-23, John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Philippians 2:5-11, Revelation 5, the list goes on. It takes blind eyes and deaf ears to not see and hear that the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, the second of three persons in the Holy Trinity of the one and only Triune God.

[@VAIO294]

@@shane316 - Actually, no one has to believe in the Trinity doctrine to be saved. Nor is confessing _"Jesus is God"_ a salvation requirement.

[@shane316]

@@VAIO294 Jesus Himself disagrees with you. If you do not believe Jesus is God, as revealed in John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:1-4, Colossians 1:15-23, Etc then your faith is in an idolatrous Jesus, one who does not exist because you made Him up in your own mind. 1 John 2:22 says the antichrist is the one who denies Christ is Messiah who came in the flesh. The Messiah, as described in Matthew 1, is named Emmanuel, or God with us. The Bible is clear that Jesus is God, Jesus Himself claimed to be God (John 8:58, for example, where Jesus said ego eimi, or I am, a reference to how Jehova identified Himself in the OT prophets, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, etc.). Once again, in verse 24 below of John 8, Jesus said you'll die in your sins unless you believe He is ego eimi, in the Greek, or the I Am, Jehova. “23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.” John 8:23-25

[@VAlO294]

​@@shane316- *(Part 1)* - YOU are disagreeing with me, Jesus is not. --- Many *saved* people simply confessed Jesus as being _“Lord“,_ or _“The Messiah",_ or _"The Christ",_ or _"The Savior sent by God,"_ or _“The SON of the Living God”,_ as we see in these verses (Matthew 14:33, John 1:34, John 1:49, John 11:27, Acts 9:20.)

[@VAIO294]

>>> *Phil 3:9* ~ “...not having a Righteousness of my own, but that which is through **FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST** - the righteousness that comes from God is by *Faith* ( *in Christ* ).” .

[@kiwihans100]

So who is a 'Christisn'? There are many in the catholic & protestant churches & evangelical & JW's and Mormons e.t.c. If they truly BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and came to die for their sins, who are we to judge them that they are NOT Christians! Reading 1 Cor 4:5, Paul states "Do not judge anyone before the due time, when the Lord comes who will bring to light all that hiddedn and THEN EACH ONE will have his praise from God", So many on u tube do though, 'judge' groups other than their own! its wrong!

[@generaldrux3108]

Yeah, Christian is a God given name for those who seek to follow the Christ. In my eyes, I see it as different tribes. Just like how Israel had different tribes, we see this with Christians. The sad thing is although some can't get along and judge, there is a few who do converse with each other, my cousin's father, is a Protestant, his best friend is a Jehovah's Witness, sure, some of their views differ, however, the things they can agree on, they speak about it, just recently visited them, they both spoke about how much God values us humans, both of them using the Bible to make the point.

[@jessesanchez4869]

You quoted "1 Cor. 15:28" If HE (JESUS) is subjected right now, then how can HE (JESUS) subject HIMSELF (JESUS) if HE (JESUS) is already subjected? When will this event happen according to 1 Cor. 15:28? So God is not all in all right now eagle?

[@withthisipost3383]

Jesus is recognizing that despite all the authority that has been given him, he is still subject to Jehovah. Imagine David coming back from battle with everyone recognizing him as an authority, he slew hundreds of enemies and is praised and exalted by all under his authority, but when he returns to the cast,e, he subjected himself under king Saul. Does this mean he was not subject to him while in battle. Of course not, but while such he acted as a man of authority, now returned he humbles himself under the king, recognizing his authority over him. The same occurs with the Christ.

[@VAIO294]

*TO "JW's"* .… Yes “JW’s”.. I do understand that being called a “Jehovah’s Witness” gives you a sense of *identity* … And I understand that being told *only “JW’s”* have access to God and any hope for Eternal Life makes you feel very *“SPECIAL”*, even proud…. But *all* cult leaders tell their followers that very same thing, that *THEY ALONE* have access to God.. And this is done intentionally to make you feel “SPECIAL” by being in the group/cult, and likewise, to make you feel *“godless”* or even *“destined for destruction”* if you leave the group/cult… All of this is Cultic *mind control*. But as we see in the verses below, God makes *”NO DISTINCTION”** for particular cults/groups/organizations… Access to God and Eternal Life is *equally available* to **ALL** people *everywhere* who'll Repent and place their Faith in what **JESUS CHRIST** did for us when He died and paid for our sins. >>> *Romans **3:22**-25* ~ “This Salvation from God comes through *FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST* to **ALL** who Believe **THERE IS NO DISTINCTION** because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and we are saved *Freely* by His *Grace* through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, **THROUGH OUR FAITH IN JESUS BLOOD**.” >>> *John **6:40* ~ “My Father’s will is that **EVERYONE** who **LOOKS TO JESUS** and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and **I, JESUS**, shall raise him up at the last day.” >>> *John **3:36* ~ "Whoever Believes in **JESUS** *HAS* Everlasting Life.” I pray you all repent and place your Faith in *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, and not in any cult/group/organization that falsely claims *EXCLUSIVE Access* to God. .

[@VAIO294]

@Truth seeker -- Stop with the "Trinity/Christmas" deflection. That does NOT make the Watchtower's false prophet cult "organization" belong to God. --- Also, you do NOT read the Bible. Your beliefs come from Watchtower's self-promoting propaganda PUBLICATIONS that grossly distort what the Holy Bible actually says about your salvation being through faith in JESUS CHRIST, NOT through belonging to the Watchtower cult. And yes, you DO believe in the cult "organization" for your salvation. In fact, you believe the Watchtower LIE that a people MUST belong to their "organization" to have access to God and to have eternal life. --- And you MUST obey the "governing body" without question to their authority or you will be "disfellowshiped." -- So, in essence, the false prophet "governing body" is your God. .

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

If Jesus was executed on a torture stake, with both hands together over his head, why does John 20:25 say "...Unless I see in his hands the print of the nailS ...", indicating that there was more than one nail used for his hands?

[@lindahartle6367]

What does it matter,what he died on. Its what he died For....

[@jessesanchez4869]

Roxy Wade Well said bro...

[@lindahartle6367]

Roxy Wade Why do You?

[@JESUISSMYSAVIOR]

linda hartle Prove it...

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

What are you talking about! I pulled this from your last NWT Bible.

[@mossman891]

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”...From the mouth of our Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God

[@wylolister3218]

@The Batman Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace. (the very next chapter speaking of God) Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return,The remnant of Jacob, to the *Mighty God.* God in Mighty God used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 is the same as God for Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21 (Hebrew el) Luke 8:39 NWT (JW bible) “Go back home, and keep on relating what God did for you.” So he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city what Jesus had done for him. "Now the Lord ("Jehovah" in JW's bible) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@Triple_Aces All of the Bible Translations that we have today were all from copies of copies. The AUTOGRIPA which is the original text were lost. Nobody can really say for sure which one is added or which one is deleted.

[@angelokykyquinones2209]

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[@abelphilosophy4835]

Did Greg Stafford become a Christian? I think I heard that. If it is true. That would be great. God bless you and thanks in advance

[@jeromegrzelak8236]

@@johnbee1069 depends on which Jesus

[@alfaromeo101]

read the Bible and believe EVERYTHING it says...do not ADD your own gospel as some have done.. They say the bible is the only truth but when you confront them if they believe what Paul and Peter say about who Jesus is they dont accept it..those people are what the Bible FALSE TEACHERS... Remember in 2 Peter 1:1 Peter says Jesus is GOD and SAVIOUR.. Paul said in Titus Jesus is our GOD and Saviour.. TWO PILLARS of Christian faith who wrote more than Half of the New Testament said Jesus is GOD and SAVIOUR..but a @SmalltimeR do not accept what PAUL and Peter said...he has his OWN TEACHING and we know what teaching that is...FALSE TEACHING

[@InvestigadorTJ]

Yeah Greg is a Christan… witness of Jah one of Jehovahs Witnesses not connected to the WT but all his fundamental beliefs are pretty much the same to regular JW but not all What about Dr Edgar Foster PhD and a regular JW? Check out his link: fosterheologicalreflections.blogspot.com/?m=1

[@charlestrussell5660]

“The deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914” shhhh, hey, hello, hey, don't say anything but I think I was wrong

[@xxxViceroyxxx]

today i learned christians make mistakes

[@kyleharris9456]

““You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭

[@wylolister3218]

Food FROM God? JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:2-0-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" ARE false prophecies. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope just a false religion!

[@thereisnopandemic]

Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created, Satan included (based on a bad interpretation of John 12:31) that calls Satan the god of this world. This does not mean that Satan is a god , the word god was also used to mean ruler or judge. Polytheistic is the Jehovah witness doctrine. Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE. Jehovah witnesses love to point out John 17:3 to claim that only the Father is the one true God. (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, ), yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY, (And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.), If Jesus is not the one True God, this verse would contradict Isaiah 42:8 (I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.) Jehovah witnesses doctrine is twisted, their system is full of contradictions ( lies)

[@SmalltimR]

​@@thereisnopandemic *RE:* Before him no god was form nor after him, yet Jehovah witnesses claim that there are many gods created... *A.* It is very important to cite Bible passages accurately, otherwise we risk contending with misinterpretation, and in some cases the very meaning of the scripture; 𝟻𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝙱𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙸 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚐𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚖𝚎; 𝟼𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚞𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚎𝚜𝚝, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎. 𝟽𝙸 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚍𝚊𝚛𝚔𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚝𝚢. 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜. 𝟾𝙳𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚕, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚟𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚔𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚙𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜. 𝙻𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚘𝚙𝚎𝚗, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚟𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚎𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚎𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚞𝚙 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚒𝚝. 𝙸, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟻-𝟾 As can be seen here, YHWH's declaration rests on His identity as the source and cause of all things; 𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺 ​ 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚝 𝙷𝚒𝚐𝚑 𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙿𝚜𝚊𝚕𝚖 𝟾𝟹.𝟷𝟾 ​ 𝚃𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚗𝚊𝚕 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝, 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟹 ​ 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝚘𝚏 𝚊𝚕𝚕, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐭𝐡𝐭𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐚𝐥𝐥, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥. - 𝙴𝚙𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝟺.𝟼 𝟷𝟷"𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐡𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙷𝚘𝚕𝚢 𝙾𝚗𝚎, 𝚝𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚛, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 !" - 𝚁𝚎𝚟 𝟺.𝟷0-𝟷𝟷 With that said, any other being, person, angel etc, called God would not qualify the title held by YHWH; Most High God, only true God, God of God's, Supreme God, Almighty God, etc. In contrast to those called Gods, either by YHWH, or other humans - such as; Moses, the angels, the King of Israel, Judges of Israel, and of course, the Son of God anointed to the right hand of the throne. *RE:* Jehovah witnesses claim that jesus (a god) was first created, by another bad interpretation of the words “first born”. King David is called “first born” and anyone that knows the Bible, well knows that King David had OLDER BROTHERS, King David was not literally “first born”, “first born is a TITLE. *A.* I am in agreement with the issue of Jesus being created, in that there are no Bible passages attributing creation to Jesus, and that we would be wise to knowledge that - in contrast with Jesus' own begetting, birth, possession, bringing-forth etc, etc. And while Jesus is never identified with creation in the Bible, it remains that Jesus/the word, the Lamb, etc, are all subject to an origin - unlike YHWH who is without origin and who is the source of all things known and unknown - including, though not limited-to; the word of God itself *RE:* yet completely ignore that rest of the passage where Jesus says that him and The Father share the GLORY... *A.* The problem with such reasoning is that this very same glory(shared), will also be shared with us - thus concluding that it is not the glory due to the only true God, but the glory we share in the oneness of God; 𝟸𝟿𝙼𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚎, 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚗 𝚊𝚕𝚕. 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚌𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚖𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛'𝚜 𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚍. 𝟹0𝐈 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷0.𝟸𝟿-𝟹0 Now let's consider Jesus' words on the meaning of the oneness He shared with His own God and Father; 𝟸0𝙽𝚘𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝙸 𝚙𝚛𝚊𝚢, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝟸𝟏𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞; 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟸𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚠𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟺𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝙸 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚘 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚖𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝙸 𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚖𝚢 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍. And so, as can be seen here, your criticism are not well founded as these prove to be the result of a limited understanding of the scriptures. *RE:* system is full of contradictions ( lies) *A.* A sensitivity to contradictions and lies will most certainly prove helpful in our search for the truth - though we need to be careful so-as to avoid false conclusions in the process.

[@edwardwhite9793]

Hi , it’s nice meeting you here.. I’m Edward by name,I’m father and a leader in my church, it would be nice getting to know you,if that’s ok with you? My mom once said good friends are never too much to have. if you don’t mind, can we be friends??

[@hogarthjeudy7989]

YEA OK , ALEIGHT , BUT RHEN AGAIN WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT VERSE ? WHA OR QHERE DOES IT LEAD ? CERTAINLY NOT TO YOUR CULT "" JEHOVAH WIRNESS ""

[@jessesanchez4869]

***** You didn't answer the question at all...Are you disagreeing with your discreet and slaves? (SMILES)....John 1:1 (NWT Greek) it reads NWT: και ο Λόγος ήταν θεός ( and the Word was god) Would you disagree with your discreet and slaves??? Why is the modern greek version of the NWT in John 1:1 exactly the same with the original text? Meaning THERE IS NO INDEFINITE ARTICLE and the NWT in the greek version sais " and the Word was god"??? Also, Why didn't your org add the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? Also, Why did they leave out the indefinite article (Word was god) in their Greek NWT Bible??? It has been over a month that you have been running away from this question....I love how you little demonic minions run away from your own discreet and slaves.

[@jessesanchez4869]

***** Yes sir...If the jdubs were to study the 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible they would know that they have a corrupted Bible (NWT). I have their 1969 Kingdom Interlinear Bible as well.

[@jessesanchez4869]

JESUS CLAIMED TO BE YHWH I AM Jesus claimed to be "I AM" (Jn 8:24,28,58; 13:19; 18:5-6). The "I am he" in the original Greek of those verses is ego eimi - "I am" - with no "he". In the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint or LXX) ego eimi - "I AM" - is the self-designation of YHWH (Ex 3:14-15; Dt 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4; 52:6). In particular, Jesus claimed to be YHWH in His statements that, "Before Abraham was born, I am [ego eimi]" (Jn 8:58 ESV), and "unless you believe that I am [ego eimi - no "he"] ... you will die in your sins" (Jn 8:24 ESV). Likewise, Jesus also claimed to be YHWH when He walked on the stormy sea and told the disciples in their sinking boat to, "Take heart; it is I" (ego eimi - "I AM") (Mt 14:23-27; Mk 6:47-50; Jn 6:16-20 ESV). Shepherd Jesus claimed to be "the Good Shepherd" (Jn 10:11,14). Jesus is the "Great Shepherd of the sheep," "the Shepherd," "the Chief Shepherd" (Heb 13:20; 1Pet 2:25; 5:4; Rev 7:17). But YHWH is the Shepherd of His sheep (Ps 23:1; Isa 40:10-11; Eze 34:15). First and Last Jesus claimed to be "the first and the last" (Rev 1:17-18; 2:8; 22:13,16). But YHWH is the first and the last (Isa 41:4; 44:6; 48:12,17). And there cannot be two "the first and the lasts! Jesus also claimed to be "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 21:6; 22:13). But "the Lord God ... the Almighty" is "the Alpha and the Omega" (Rev 1:8).

[@elelpida]

Good work Jesse! The Jews wanted to stone Him and to kill Him because they understood what he was saying !

[@kilyn12]

Has anyone become a Jehovah’s Witness after reading the bible alone without the aid of Watchtower material?

[@DedicationPlaques]

No!

[@chevyjerry2507]

That's all they study is books and the bible is secondary..

[@jessesanchez4869]

Chevy Jerry That is correct... “The most beneficial study you can do is read the Watchtower and Awake! Or a new book by the organization.” (Watchtower 6/1/1967 p.338)

[@chevyjerry2507]

Jesse Sanchez Yeah why? Brainwashing? So they can jump around the bible to fit and manicure the bible to their beliefs? Wait how about rewrite the bible from original Greek and Hebrew with real language scholars...

[@chevyjerry2507]

Bonny B Wow. I'm not part of Satan's organization. ..Easy bonnie. Read what I write

[@staceygrove7295]

How excellently Brother Stafford sums up the whole conundrum! Praise to Jehovah the ONE GOD indeed!!

[@wylolister3218]

Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace. (the very next chapter speaking of God) Isaiah 10:21 Only a remnant will return,The remnant of Jacob, to the *Mighty God.* God in Mighty God used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6 is the same as God for Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21 (Hebrew el) Luke 8:39 NWT (JW bible) “Go back home, and keep on relating what God did for you.” So he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city what Jesus had done for him. "Now the Lord ("Jehovah" in JW's bible) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

[@wylolister3218]

no reply?

[@justen.d.sblackburn6701]

If you don't believe Jesus is God you will die in your sins. Jehoavh came to earth and gave his very own blood for you. Jesus was fully man and fully God.Never Michael

[@staceygrove7295]

@@justen.d.sblackburn6701 But just think what you have said Justen. Through scripture, Jehovah has shown that God's justice is right. Not too little and not too much. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, and life for life. Adam lost perfect human life. 100% human life, no more. If God came to the earth in flesh to pay that price exactly, being God in flesh would be far above the price of Adam's sin which we inherited. Not too much, not too little. Also, what would have been the point of Satan's temptations if Jesus was God, could God actually sin against himself? No of course not. But Satan as another spirit creature, just as Jesus was could have done so. And he did. Just food fr thought.

[@justen.d.sblackburn6701]

Stacey do really believe Jesus is Michael? Jesus rebuked Satan many times. Michael didn't. Jesus is unique. Michael is one of many. Jesus is Jehoavh in the flesh. Remember when the disciples said to show them the father? Jesus reapplied if seeking me you seen the father

[@yhwh777100]

(1 Sam. 18:1) As soon as David had finished speaking to Saul, Jonathan and David became BOUND TOGETHER in close friendship, and Jon′a·than began to LOVE HIM AS HIMSELF.

[@VAlO294]

*TO "JW's"*.... You are trying to get to GOD through the Watchtower organization, and *THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE!*.....Because you do NOT have *JESUS CHRIST* as your *Mediator* you are presently *EXCLUDED* from the Kingdom of God. >>>John 10:9 ~ “*I*, **JESUS**, am *THE DOOR*.. Whoever enters by *ME*, **JESUS**, will be saved." I pray you *COME TO CHRIST* and be saved one day.

[@chillyperth3689]

100% correct

[@thelthrythquezada8397]

Word! Pun intended!

[@elelpida]

Usually, the more away from Bible Truth a denomination or an organization is... the more they tell their members that they are unable to understand the Bible by themselves... They need the "organization" to "explain" the Bible to them... with "Bible aids"... etc... WRONG! THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORDS SENT TO US IN ORDER TO KNOW HIM. They insult God himself with this statement. As if God was incapable to be clear in HIS OWN WORDS! 1 John 2:26,27 "26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him." Matthew 23:10 " Nor are you to be called 'Teachers,' because you have only one teacher, the Messiah!"

[@VAIO294]

AMEN!!!!!

[@eeeddddddiiieee]

If Christ never claimed to be God then why did they kill Him?

[@smalltimer4370]

_do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'_ - John 10.36 ​ _The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God."_ - John 19.7

[@nunesandrew4198]

Because he kept saying he is the son of God, and of God

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

@@nunesandrew4198 that is true but do you know what the term son of God means the term son of God means God made manifest in human form that's in John chapter 1 verse 1 verse 14 witch clearly states that is the incarnation so basically God became a human being to take away all sin and only God alone can do this.

[@jeremiahrowesr.3130]

@@nunesandrew4198 and then he was also another thing that the Jehovah's witnesses or if you are Jehovah's witness I'm just going to tell you right now Thomas wasn't using the lord's name in vain when he refer to Jesus as being God in John 20:28. So here's what he said he said my Lord and my God and he knelt down and bow before Christ and Jesus never rebuked him for saying that.Jesus says out of his own mouth that he is God in John chapter 10 verse 30 and 33 he says I and the father are one which means we are one in essence and one in nature Jesus Christ had two natures he's both God and he's both man,and the other thing is is that in Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 but they also clearly state that Jesus Christ is a God not God himself but here's the thing they take the term mighty and Almighty and say it's not the same thing when actually it is.because in the Bible yes God is referred to as Almighty but he's also referred to as mighty, so in Psalm 3523 David saying talking about God who is mighty and David says mighty God in there Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 say a remnant of Jacob willreturn to the mighty God right there and Isaiah Isaiah just referred to us that God is mighty so therefore I can take Psalm 35 23 and Isaiah chapter 10 verse 20 and 21 and add it to Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6 were it clearly states that Jesus Christ is God. now look at acts 20:28 it says the shepherds and oversee Sears of the Church of God which he has purchased with his own blood right there it just told you that God purchased the church with his own blood how did God do that God did it by dying on the cross for the sins of the world and how did he bleed well that's simple he became a human being in order to bleed and die on the cross he became the human being the Lord Jesus Christ to take away that sin. So naturally in Acts 20:28 right there it just told you that God became human to take away all sin and that he purchased the church with his own blood by dying on the cross for the sins of the world Leslie the Jehovah's witnesses claimed that the term in Colossians 1:16 says he meeting Jesus is the image of the invisible God of the old testament Jehovahthen it goes on reading saying he is the firstborn of all creation then that's where they will stop you and say oh it says he was the first born okay what about that word disable that means he was created and I actually said you want to know what the actual turn my firstborn means they say yes and here's what the actual term of what first born means.the actual term for first born means this it means highest and authority and rank King David for example was the youngest brother of his family but he was also the first born what that means is is what was the highest authority that you can have back in Israel the highest authority that you can have back in is real back in those times was King so he got the highest title of all which was King and he was the highest authority in rank and he had so much authority to do everything that was his high authority was to be king over all Israel that was his high authority so since the Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh he is highest in authority and rank and has the authority to do whatever he needs to do to save his people from sin.Jude verse 9 makes it clear statement that Michael the archangel cannot rebuke Satan only God can do that Michael says very clearly to Satan I cannot rebuke you I will let the Lord handle it.now if you look at Hebrews chapter 1 verse 5 and verse 8 God says clearly when did I make any of my angels my only begotten when did I become their father and then my children he says about the Angels they are my servants and ministers flames of fire but to the sunny says your throne o God will last forever and ever and the scepter of righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.so right there God just called Jesus the firstborn of all Creation God.now keep in mind Jesus is God in the flesh so God just spoke to God the son and called him God now mind you there are not three gods there are three coexisting Co eternal persons one God that's the trinity.

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​@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 *[1. SON OF GOD]* Adam is a Son of God, as are the angels, Adam etc *[2. GOD MANIFEST]* The expression "manifest" literally means "revealed", as-in; God was revealed in the flesh of Jesus Christ on earth *[3. FORGIVENESS OF SINS]* The question I would ask, is why anyone would would want to side with the Pharisees? 𝟺𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜, 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚜, 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍, "𝐖𝐡𝐲 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐬? 𝟻𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚒𝚜 𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚒𝚎𝚛, 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚊𝚢, '𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗;' 𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚊𝚢, '𝙶𝚎𝚝 𝚞𝚙, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚕𝚔?' 𝟼𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚂𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙼𝚊𝚗 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚊𝚞𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚘𝚗 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜..." (𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚊𝚕𝚢𝚝𝚒𝚌), "𝙶𝚎𝚝 𝚞𝚙, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚞𝚙 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚖𝚊𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚐𝚘 𝚞𝚙 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎." 𝟽𝙷𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚎𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚎. 𝟾𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚝𝚞𝚍𝚎𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚠 𝚒𝚝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐚𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧. - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟾.𝟺-𝟾 *[4. MY LORD AND MY GOD]* John 20:28 is about seeing and believing - whereas Thomas' affirmed what it meant to see Jesus Christ and believe in God who sent Him; Let's consider the words of John toward matters; 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟺 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟸:𝟺𝟻 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝚖𝚎, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚜 𝐇𝐢𝐦 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐦𝐞 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟺:𝟿 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐬𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0:𝟸𝟾 𝙼𝚢 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐌𝐲 𝐆𝐨𝐝 While no one has seen God, whereas Jesus reveal Him in the flesh on earth; 𝙽𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎. 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚕𝚢 𝚂𝚘𝚗, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚘𝚜𝚘𝚖 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚍𝚎𝚌𝚕𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷.𝟷𝟾 𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚢, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚐𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝: 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚑, 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚒𝚛𝚒𝚝, 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕𝚜, 𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚊𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜, 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚙 𝚒𝚗 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢. - 𝟷 𝚃𝚒𝚖 𝟹.𝟷𝟼 𝚢𝚎𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚞𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝚘𝚏 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚑𝚒𝚖; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝, 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘𝚖 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑 𝚑𝚒𝚖. - 𝟷 𝙲𝚘𝚛 𝟾:𝟼 Therefore when Thomas said; _My Lord, and My God,_ he affirmed his faith in God through the testimony of Jesus Christ' death and resurrection - My Lord [Jesus Christ], and the God [who sent Him]. *[5. I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE]* 𝟸𝟷𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚘𝚗𝚎; 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐦𝐞, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐈 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐮𝐬; 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚖𝚎. 𝟸𝟸𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝙸 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖; 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞, 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞; 𝟸𝟹𝙸 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚒𝚗 𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝚋𝚎 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚘𝚗𝚎... - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟷𝟽.𝟸𝟷-𝟸3 *[6. I AM GOD]* The Bible sets a precedent for declarations pertaining to God's identity; 𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬; 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐬; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏; 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺 ​ 𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚒𝚝, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚊 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚝𝚎, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚑𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚝𝚎𝚍: "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟻.𝟷𝟾 ​ 𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚝𝚢-𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚖, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝚆𝚊𝚕𝚔 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚖𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚋𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟷𝟽.𝟷 ​ 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐀𝐥𝐦𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐲. 𝙱𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚞𝚒𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚙𝚕𝚢. 𝙰 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚋𝚎 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢. - 𝙶𝚎𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚜 𝟹𝟻.𝟷𝟷 ​ 𝟸𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚜𝚙𝚘𝚔𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝙼𝚘𝚜𝚎𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡; 𝟹𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝙸 𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙰𝚋𝚛𝚊𝚑𝚊𝚖, 𝚝𝚘 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚊𝚌, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙹𝚊𝚌𝚘𝚋, 𝚊𝚜 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝙰𝚕𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚢; 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 - 𝙴𝚡𝚘𝚍𝚞𝚜 𝟼.𝟸-𝟹 ​ 𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐘𝐚𝐡𝐰𝐞𝐡 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐆𝐨𝐝. 𝚂𝚊𝚗𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚢 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚎 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢; 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚢: 𝚗𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚎𝚏𝚒𝚕𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚛𝚎𝚎𝚙𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. - 𝙻𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚌𝚞𝚜 𝟷𝟷.𝟺𝟺 With that said, it is worth noting, that there are no Bible passages declaring Jesus as [the God] - none before, nor after His death and resurrection in the Bible.

[@freedomfirst5420]

I don't just tolerate the truth, I embrace it.

[@johnbee1069]

What is the truth? Some people would like to believe the truth comes from men. But Jesus left no room for such reasoning, by stating that the truth can only come from God. And that everything else is from not the truth. And so the common approach now, is for people to claim that God gave them the truth. Such as when the Nicean council came-up with the trinity doctrine - which is neither taught nor used in the Bible

[@freedomfirst5420]

JohnBee, I base my belief of the truth, on facts, experience, and that there is something greater than ourselves. Call it what you will, but I call it God The Almighty Creator. He created all things, including the knowledge of science, through humankind. God is that which nothing greater can be conceived.

[@wishyouthebest9222]

@@johnbee1069 Here is truth m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYSuc3qaq5VqpLM GOD bless

[@sylvie-j4i]

@@johnbee1069 The apostles claimed to bring forth the NAME OF GOD to the nations,and they taught their disciples to do the same.........They ONLY BROUGHT FORTH THE ONLY SAME OF CHRIST......... The apostles COMMANDED US TO DO LIKE THEM.......why dont you ?

[@IMJW1000]

OBEISANCE The act of bowing, kneeling, prostrating the body, or making some other gesture to betoken submission; or simply the paying of respect. It adequately translates the Hebrew hish·ta·chawah′ and the Greek pro·sky·ne′o in many cases. Hish·ta·chawah′ means, basically, “bow down.” (Ge 18:2) Such bowing might be done as an act of respect or deference toward another human, as to a king (1Sa 24:8; 2Sa 24:20; Ps 45:11), the high priest (1Sa 2:36), a prophet (2Ki 2:15), or other person of authority (Ge 37:9, 10; 42:6; Ru 2:8-10), to an elder relative (Ge 33:1-6; 48:11, 12; Ex 18:7; 1Ki 2:19), or even to strangers as an expression of courteous regard (Ge 19:1, 2). Abraham bowed down to the Canaanite sons of Heth from whom he sought to buy a burial place. (Ge 23:7) Isaac’s blessing on Jacob called for national groups and Jacob’s own “brothers” to bow down to him. (Ge 27:29; compare 49:8.) When men started to bow down before David’s son Absalom, he grabbed them and kissed them, evidently to further his political ambitions by making a show of putting himself on a level with them. (2Sa 15:5, 6) Mordecai refused to prostrate himself before Haman, not because he viewed the practice as wrong in itself, but doubtless because this high Persian official was an accursed Amalekite by descent.-Es 3:1-6. From the above examples it is clear that this Hebrew term of itself does not necessarily have a religious sense or signify worship. Nevertheless, in a large number of cases it is used in connection with worship, either of the true God (Ex 24:1; Ps 95:6; Isa 27:13; 66:23) or of false gods. (De 4:19; 8:19; 11:16) Persons might bow down in prayer to God (Ex 34:8; Job 1:20, 21) and often prostrated themselves upon receiving some revelation from God or some expression or evidence of his favor, thereby showing their gratitude, reverence, and humble submission to his will.-Ge 24:23-26, 50-52; Ex 4:31; 12:27, 28; 2Ch 7:3; 20:14-19; compare 1Co 14:25; Re 19:1-4. Bowing down to humans as an act of respect was admissible, but bowing to anyone other than Jehovah as a deity was prohibited by God. (Ex 23:24; 34:14) Similarly, the worshipful bowing down to religious images or to any created thing was positively condemned. (Ex 20:4, 5; Le 26:1; De 4:15-19; Isa 2:8, 9, 20, 21) Thus, in the Hebrew Scriptures, when certain of Jehovah’s servants prostrated themselves before angels, they only did so to show they recognized that these were God’s representatives, not to render obeisance to them as deities.-Jos 5:13-15; Ge 18:1-3. Obeisance in the Christian Greek Scriptures. The Greek pro·sky·ne′o corresponds closely to the Hebrew hish·ta·chawah′ as to conveying the thought of both obeisance to creatures and worship to God or a deity. The manner of expressing the obeisance is perhaps not so prominent in pro·sky·ne′o as in hish·ta·chawah′, where the Hebrew term graphically conveys the thought of prostration or bowing down. Scholars derive the Greek term from the verb ky·ne′o, “kiss.” The usage of the word in the Christian Greek Scriptures (as also in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) shows that persons to whose actions the term is applied prostrated themselves or bowed down.-Mt 2:11; 18:26; 28:9. As with the Hebrew term, the context must be considered to determine whether pro·sky·ne′o refers to obeisance solely in the form of deep respect or obeisance in the form of religious worship. Where reference is directly to God (Joh 4:20-24; 1Co 14:25; Re 4:10) or to false gods and their idols (Ac 7:43; Re 9:20), it is evident that the obeisance goes beyond that acceptably or customarily rendered to men and enters the field of worship. So, too, where the object of the obeisance is left unstated, its being directed to God is understood. (Joh 12:20; Ac 8:27; 24:11; Heb 11:21; Re 11:1) On the other hand, the action of those of “the synagogue of Satan” who are made to “come and do obeisance” before the feet of Christians is clearly not worship.-Re 3:9. Obeisance to a human king is found in Jesus’ illustration at Matthew 18:26. It is evident that this was the kind of obeisance that the astrologers rendered to the child Jesus, “born king of the Jews,” that Herod professed interest in expressing, and that the soldiers mockingly rendered to Jesus before his impalement. They clearly did not view Jesus as God or as a deity. (Mt 2:2, 8; Mr 15:19) While some translators use the word “worship” in the majority of cases where pro·sky·ne′o describes persons’ actions toward Jesus, the evidence does not warrant one’s reading too much into this rendering. Rather, the circumstances that evoked the obeisance correspond very closely to those producing obeisance to the earlier prophets and kings. (Compare Mt 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 20:20 with 1Sa 25:23, 24; 2Sa 14:4-7; 1Ki 1:16; 2Ki 4:36, 37.) The very expressions of those involved often reveal that, while they clearly recognized Jesus as God’s representative, they rendered obeisance to him, not as to God or a deity, but as “God’s Son,” the foretold “Son of man,” the Messiah with divine authority. On many occasions their obeisance expressed a gratitude for divine revelation or evidence of favor like that expressed in earlier times.-Mt 14:32, 33; 28:5-10, 16-18; Lu 24:50-52; Joh 9:35, 38. While earlier prophets and also angels had accepted obeisance, Peter stopped Cornelius from rendering such to him, and the angel or angels of John’s vision twice stopped John from doing so, referring to himself as “a fellow slave” and concluding with the exhortation to “worship God [toi The·oi′ pro·sky′ne·son].” (Ac 10:25, 26; Re 19:10; 22:8, 9) Evidently Christ’s coming had brought in new relationships affecting standards of conduct toward others of God’s servants. He taught his disciples that “one is your teacher, whereas all you are brothers . . . your Leader is one, the Christ” (Mt 23:8-12), for it was in him that the prophetic figures and types found their fulfillment, even as the angel told John that “the bearing witness to Jesus is what inspires prophesying.” (Re 19:10) Jesus was David’s Lord, the greater than Solomon, the prophet greater than Moses. (Lu 20:41-43; Mt 12:42; Ac 3:19-24) The obeisance rendered those men prefigured that due Christ. Peter therefore rightly refused to let Cornelius make too much of him. So, too, John, by virtue of having been declared righteous or justified by God as an anointed Christian, called to be a heavenly son of God and a member of the Kingdom, was in a different relationship to the angel(s) of Revelation than were the Israelites to the angels that had earlier appeared to them. The angel(s) evidently recognized this change of relationship when rejecting John’s obeisance.-Compare 1Co 6:3; Obeisance to the glorified Jesus Christ. On the other hand, Christ Jesus has been exalted by his Father to a position second only to God, so that “in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Php 2:9-11; compare Da 7:13, 14, 27.) Hebrews 1:6 also shows that even the angels render obeisance to the resurrected Jesus Christ. Many translations of this text here render pro·sky·ne′o as “worship,” while some render it by such expressions as “bow before” (AT; Yg) and ‘pay homage’ (NE). No matter what English term is used, the original Greek remains the same and the understanding of what it is that the angels render to Christ must accord with the rest of the Scriptures. Jesus himself emphatically stated to Satan that “it is Jehovah your God you must worship [form of pro·sky·ne′o], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Mt 4:8-10; Lu 4:7, 8) Similarly, the angel(s) told John to “worship God” (Re 19:10; 22:9), and this injunction came after Jesus’ resurrection and exaltation, showing that matters had not changed in this regard. True, Psalm 97, which the apostle evidently quotes at Hebrews 1:6, refers to Jehovah God as the object of the ‘bowing down,’ and still this text was applied to Christ Jesus. (Ps 97:1, 7) However, the apostle previously had shown that the resurrected Christ is “the reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being.” (Heb 1:1-3) Hence, if what we understand as “worship” is apparently directed to the Son by angels, it is in reality being directed through him to Jehovah God, the Sovereign Ruler, “the One who made the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.” (Re 14:7; 4:10, 11; 7:11, 12; 11:16, 17; compare 1Ch 29:20; Re 5:13, 14; 21:22.) On the other hand, the renderings “bow before” and ‘pay homage’ (instead of “worship”) are in no way out of harmony with the original language, either the Hebrew of Psalm 97:7 or the Greek of Hebrews 1:6, for such translations convey the basic sense of both hish·ta·chawah′ and pro·sky·ne′o.

[@rawbrutaltruth]

very nice post

[@IMJW1000]

rawbrutaltruth commented. Someone asked me why the faithful no longer worship Jesus. I explained we do. His Father, Jehovah God, said to. As Jesus rules on behalf of His Father, as regent, that is reasonable. We perform sacred service only to Jehovah, as does Jesus. That is the distinction or refinement which was made in 1954.

[@rawbrutaltruth]

exactly the way I see....smiling

[@bigzack1011]

OBEISANCE ~ That's what you will be doing in front of JESUS CHRIST, at the Great White Throne Judgment of God Revelation 20:11-15, Isaiah 45:23 23 “I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to *Me every *knee will bow*, *every **tongue will swear allegiance*. Philippians 2:10-11 10 so that at the *name of Jesus every *knee will bow*, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that *every **tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is *Lord*,... That would be your **Knees*; IMJW1000 And that would be your ***tongue*; IMJW1000 *Jesus Christ is *Lord* ~ Jehovah / Yahweh = Greek - ΚΥΡΙΟΣ = Transliteration - KYRIOS; Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: kurios Ron Bozich

[@sherriek2225]

bigzack1011 Obeisance-Worship,bow low,adore.prostrating,kneeling..The highest form of Worship,is Sacred Service,This form of Worship,only shown to the Most High-Yahweh.....

[@kilyn12]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1 ESV) This should be proof enough that Jesus is God.Problem is some people like to claim Jesus is a god.Good thing that the old testament has a little info on who the word is. David said to Solomon, “My son, I had it in my heart to build a house to the name of the LORD my God. But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have waged great wars. You shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood before me on the earth. (1 Chronicles 22:7-8 ESV) The word claims that the temple was made for his name.I think everyone would agree this temple was a house for who many would call Jehovah's name. Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD had appeared to David his father, at the place that David had appointed, on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite. (2 Chronicles 3:1 ESV) Solomon was a very wise man and he understood the word to be the LORD.

[@shaydenwadley]

I’m 9 years to late- With all due respect did you understand what he was saying regarding that verse and the original Greek ? Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος τὸν θεόν (definite article present her ) meaning The God there is only one almighty . θεὸς ( no definite article present before it ) could mean Divine or a god . Why not just use definite article for both if they are God . Proverbs 8:22-31 ( is referred to as mentioned as being Jesus pre incarnation) he is mentioned as the “master worker” . Jehovah used pre incarnate Jesus to complete the creative work . All things came into existence through Jesus the master worker . As you said LORD is Jehovah in the old testament. Angel of the LORD is referred to as the pre incarnate Christ .

[@jeffreytrinidad3564]

​@@shaydenwadley Show me just 1 verse saying "Father is the only God"

[@shaydenwadley]

@ I’m no longer a part of this sect. I’ve learnt that they alter the Bible to fit their doctrine . Shameful

[@ruleofthespirit]

Why do we still debate whether Jesus is God? Because in Him is all things, even our salvation, our righteousness and our hope. I never joined the JW's but they did come around to my home to show me their message but something didn't click. A friend from school shared the gospel with me and immediately I knew this to be true. It made me consider why I couldn't accept the Kingdom message. It was because I sensed they were peddling a message that seemed perfectly formed and promised much but lacked life. I listened to this whole debate and my position after 40 years remains unchanged. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Matthew 13: 14,15 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.

[@NCSiebertdesign]

Why are there still debate about Jesus? Because Satan is still the father of all lies. Satan is doing every tricks in his book to deceived people so he has cunningly tricked most people to deny Jesus sovereignty and his deity. Think about this way, Cuckoo bird lay egg(s) on other bird species nest as it sometimes have very similar looking eggs to trick the victim's mother to care for it. Same way, Jehovah Witness is very similar to Foundational Christianity but one is false believe as they (JW) have twisted truth to trick others to believe it. God bless you in abundance.

[@NCSiebertdesign]

@UnderHisShadowOfficial The problem is John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” Who raise the life from the dead??? Not angels, not demons and not even us human... Only God can! Therefore, as Jesus said, "I WILL raise it again...." Jesus is God. Boom!

[@gianlucazanga8432]

​@@NCSiebertdesign fallacious... Jesus was using figurative speech. Or are you claiming he literally built a literal temple? The fact he said "I" doesn't mean he's saying he literally resurrect himself from the dead. Imagine you have your house built from scratch by a construction company, then in a conversation you say "I built my house from scratch". Now, would you say you're lying? Technically you didn't do it yourself but you had people paid to do it. So your point really falls flat.

[@NCSiebertdesign]

@@gianlucazanga8432 Typical of you misunderstanding my comment. Of course, it's not a literal temple. The temple Jesus raised is his church (again not a literal building) ... The body of Christ (believers/followers). It is God (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) that raised the dead body of Jesus as in physical resurrection.

[@gianlucazanga8432]

@@NCSiebertdesign I didn't misunderstand. I asked a question. Because I find quite funny that this text is often used by trinitarian to "prove" the deity of Jesus when it does no such thing.

[@jessesanchez4869]

IMJW1000 John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” Show me when Abraham saw Michael the Archangel and was glad? Thank You

[@JESUISSMYSAVIOR]

IMJW1000 You posted "John 17:3" But you forgot to tell us that Christ "is the Eternal life" that became manifested to us (1st John.1:1-2) and that He is Gods Son that was given to us (John.3:16,) and prior to becoming flesh (Zechariah.2:10-13 with Philippians 2:6-8,) He shared His Fathers Glory in Heaven (John.17:5) who is also the TRUE GOD (JESUS) (1 John 5:20) Why are you a deceiver?

[@VAlO294]

*TO “JW’s”* … The difference between us Christians and you “JW’s” is *not* really the *“Trinity”* doctrine.... The difference is that, as Christians, *WE HAVE THE BIBLE* ,, and you “JW’s" have *Watchtower Publications* … As Christians, the Bible tells us that our salvation is through *JESUS CHRIST* .. So, we are going to keep standing on *THE BIBLE* and keep looking to *JESUS CHRIST*, trusting in what He has done for us as being our salvation.. We‘re *not* looking to ANY “organization” for our Salvation. But as “JW’s”, your magazines from the guys in New York are telling you that your salvation is through their *”Organization”* … Even though the BIBLE points you to *JESUS CHRIST Himself*, not to an “organization" for salvation, as “JW‘s” you continue to have faith in Watchtower publications and look to an *“organization”* that can *not* save you. So, that’s the real difference between us Christians and you “JW’s”… Christians accept and trust in **JESUS CHRIST** as our Savior, while you as a “JW” *reject* JESUS by believing salvation comes through the Watchtower “organization”. I do pray that even more of you will come out from under the Watchtower false-fear and *COME TO JESUS CHRIST* so that you can be saved while *“The Door”* is still open. >>> *John **6:45* ~ "Everyone who hears what The Father says and learns from Him, **COMES TO ME, JESUS**." >>> *John 10:9* ~ “**I, JESUS**, am **THE DOOR**.. Whoever enters by **ME, JESUS**, will be saved.” .

[@wassupzaf]

And all Gods People say...... Amen & AMEN !

[@kilyn12]

VAlO294 This is so simple and none of them will even consider that their organization is a false prophet.They are scared to think its even possible even when they see proof.

[@sheld803]

Yes Amen . and once they realize they need Jesus and accept Him only then will the scales fall from their eyes ! .

[@VAlO294]

kilyn12... You're exactly right!.. Their continuous diet of Watchtower *fear*, including fear of being "shunned", makes most of them not even look at the proof that the WT guys in New York are simply lying to them and mis-directing their faith away from *CHRIST* to faith in an "organization".

[@VAlO294]

Jo Ashley... Amen!.. Right now, when "JW's" hear that they need to "accept Jesus", their mind says *"Watchtower organization"*... So, they'll have to understand that "accepting Jesus" means just that, *accepting* **JESUS**, not the "organization" of those guys in New York.

[@ProdigalTruth]

How does Dr. White not get that whoever God tells us to worship is who we worship… if God said “worship your dog” what are you going to do, say “no”? Of course not… Jesus was APPOINTED BY GOD TO RECEIVE WORSHIP… we see the same thing when people simultaneously worship God and king David That’s also why Jesus has to eventually GIVE THE THRONE BACK to God… Ffs it’s staring them in the face and they just ignore it

[@SmalltimR]

There was a debate in times past where this point was presented to James White, to which he would not answer. Though it would seem that Mr White has chosen the path of amnesia, so-as to uphold his claims and beliefs in a triune god

[@ProdigalTruth]

@ seems to be how they usually address things they can’t answer