"Jehovah's Witnesses were ruining our business and our marriage" -A conversation with Kim Asadourian

[@tarachapman916]

Sincerely Lloyd you helped me so much. You helped me see the light and the truth on this organization thank you thank you thank you!

[@mr.atheist8848]

I am delighted that you woke up from this Jw cultt 👏👏👏

[@stevenclarke5606]

I’m so glad that you saw through them and saved yourself from a life of control, lies and miserable existence .

[@lloydchristmas4547]

Welcome to free thought.

[@bessmcneill971]

Powerful story. Reminds me so much of my mom, recruited at the door, young with small children, has given decades of her life to the org and even had a brief disfellowshipping. This gives me hope my mom will wake up ❤️

[@josecarlosrodriguez9876]

Very similar to my mom. I also hope she wakes up someday.

[@MsArri81]

My mom came into the BOrg this way as well. Troubled marriage, she was a new mother and emotionally vulnerable. I don't know if she will ever wake up. My father never joined the JWs but he let my mom raise me as one! I am thankful I woke up and got out.

[@realliving7340]

This was my story as well. I am that mom. Faded at 50 after serving the Watchtower over 25 years. Left an abusive marriage to a "brother" too. Never give up hope❤

[@RAZASHARP]

SHES NOT GONNA WAKE UP!!!!! GO AHEAD AND LIVE YOUR LIFE AND STOP WISHING AND WAKE UP!!!

[@jamesbovington8218]

My aunt was disfellowshipped three times. Third she didn't go back. But her and my uncle were the most critical people I ever met ...

[@jimmyb3158]

One of the most annoying this about being a JW is the those always looking for the "JW discount." My elder dad was famous for asking and expecting the JW discount. A few years ago he needed tile work done on his house that was going to cost him over 20k dollars. He talked to a tile guy in his hall and asked him if he could do it for 5k. The guy agreed to come in after his normal job and work on weekends to get the job done. Think about that, an elder asking a member of his hall to spend time away from his family so he can get a discount. My dad sold the house a year later making a nice profit on the house and on this guys labor. Even though it was my father I was disgusted with that behavior.

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I've had people asking me for a "J-Dub Homie Hookup" discount on a haircut after work. It is highly annoying.

[@junejunie2284]

Jdubs are notoriously cheap and will never hesitate to save a buck by taking advantage of someone's good nature or by using their "minister" title.

[@sandersson2813]

@@junejunie2284 You can tell how cheap they are from their polyester suits

[@debbiepa1954]

I saw that time and time again . Often single brothers were asked to pick up the elderly for meetings .

[@debbiepa1954]

Was difficult since this sister loved taking raw garlic for her heart . Difficult to even be near this sister yet alone being placed in the car to and from the meetings,

[@chrissapp9243]

So much of this interview hit home with me. Oh, how I remember the loathsome congregation leeches who expect you to do work for free(I am an HVAC technician, so I'm sure you can imagine). And the separating you from your "worldly" family, labeling them "bad association". This cult absolutely destroys families to gain control over you.

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I always enjoy the interviews!

[@stevenclarke5606]

These should be required viewing, for anyone thinking of getting indoctrinated into this evil controlling child abusing Cult!

[@margaretvalentine5957]

Me too! They help me understand wtf?!!

[@maryannlockwood7806]

I could see how new & raw this interview was for this poor woman. But I am glad she got out & it looks like she’s starting to mend a lot of fences. All my best to her!☺️

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

Wow, Lloyd! You are getting better with each interview. Excellent questions!

[@thespookylocker]

Same thing happened at my old congregation, he was great with cars and everyone took advantage of em. He left because it got so bad

[@johnhowell86]

I was disfellowshipped in 1994. I never went back but believed until 6 months ago when I woke up thanks to your videos Lloyd. I was born into the cult but carried the fear of destruction until watching your videos which freed me of the belief & gave me hope of a calmer future. It's amazing that even those disfellowshipped are not mentally free. Thank you Lloyd.

[@elenasimon1270]

I'm half way through and DYING to know if her children are in or out. ETA: Oh, good. Never in. whew.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

This could have been so much worse if her children had been inducted into the cult. She should thank her husband for that.

[@rebella5769]

Fascinating story..enjoyed it immensely..Ok, time to binge watch them all ..YEA

[@barbarajansen4912]

Need to add another comment: It seems to me that these cults thrive on other people’s business. Acting like busybodies pretending to care about your salvation, as they judge your every move. No thanks.

[@parallax9281]

It's insidious.. They use the natural human need for relationship against their members as a form of oppression and coercion. There is nothing wholesome or healthy about the use of such tactics, and such treatment of other human beings only has a toxic affect on the Healthy relationships..

[@ArtfullyMusingLaura]

The same thing happens in Mormonism, "Mormon Discount." My husband had a Mormon friend who was a dentist, and he lived in a predominately Mormon area. He eventually moved because he couldn't make a living between being expected to give discounts to fellow Mormons and then the fellow Mormons not paying their bills. I would imagine this is a problem in any 'cultish" group.

[@labelle8110]

This is what a high control group does to you! Messing up your life, meddling in your finances. Control your mind.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I was recruited by being duped into believing that the 1914 Generation would not pass. Too bad the internet didn't exist back then.

[@Plethorality]

or that you were allowed to ask anyone who was not a jw, who could have explained why that idea was a crock of .. it.

[@tangerinetangerine4400]

@@dolam well done. So the overlapping gen thing made you question? Maybe you can make your own channel to share your journey? I'd love to hear your story! And Efrain too!

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

@@tangerinetangerine4400 - My story is on the Spirit Analyzer channel, in English. And, in Spanish on Oasis Ex Testigo de Jehová.

[@opietwoep1247]

I was a auto mechanic when I was in and it very common that everyone wanted free labor. Especially the pioneers

[@jimbobaggans1564]

The Pioneers! They never have any money because they don't work or don't work enough.

[@Monkey_slapping_keys]

@Lee Hanson Mostly just brainwashed victims themselves ol' pal

[@JS4192]

I also don’t think I could’ve woke up without Lloyd’s videos. I found his videos in 2019. Thank you Lloyd!

[@petalparker5]

The eighties and nineties Live Forever book era was a real boom time for recruitment it seems. From my own observations there is no standard profile of a cult victim/recruit. In the many congregations I’ve been in over different states I’ve known recruits from all demographics of society. We gotta remember they run a bait and switch scam.

[@outtadarkness1970]

Ain't that the truth!

[@mattmurdock2868]

It is bait-n-switch! They come promising Paradise, but delivering Armageddon....

[@jamieangel3766]

The common thread seems to be trapping people in a vulnerable state at their lowest point maybe grieving or suffering from some other trauma. My dad for instance had depression and was planning his suicide for months when they knocked on the door with 'good news'

[@greyberet1]

I love that description, she describes herself as a “recruit”.

[@stevenclarke5606]

A recruit is a typical wording related to someone who has been drawn into a Cult.

[@greyberet1]

@@stevenclarke5606 I understand the usage of the term, but when I was involved, I never heard it used in this context.

[@stevenclarke5606]

@@greyberet1 I f you watch any of the cult documentaries, Jim Jones , Charles Manson , it’s a common term used to describe a person who has been indoctrinated into the Cult.

[@outtadarkness1970]

@@greyberet1, Yes, because neither they, or outsiders, saw them as a cult. But, as you say, it is an appropriate term; just maybe not one that comes readily to mind. We didn't see ourselves as being in a cult; I certainly didn't anyway. It has been in the last 2-3 years I have been able to see that I was; I still didn't think of my parents or myself and my siblings (through my parents) as being recruits.

[@greyberet1]

@@outtadarkness1970 I suppose it’s because I was raised in this cult that I didn’t realize that I was in one 😂. After all, the term “cult” is recognized as a pejorative, so definitely a cult indoctrinated member wouldn’t use it-which explains why the jws don’t apply that term to themselves 😂. Also explains why the jws don’t think of themselves as having been “recruited”…

[@dianesicgala4310]

I agree. That like my position. I was in for nearly 19yrs. I was much older about 47yrs old when I first studied. I been out over 7yrs. Biggest mistake of my life. God bless you dear lady.

[@alyssawoodman]

Here are some resources for healing: Bonnie Zieman (JW baptized for 30 years/activist/therapist/author) "Reboot After Recovery From Trauma" "Shunned A Survival Guide" "Fading Out Of The JW Cult- A Memoir" "Cracking The Cult Code For Therapists" "The Challenge To Heal After Leaving A High Control Group" "Exiting The JW Cult-A Healing Handbook"

[@dianesicgala4310]

Thank you. I am getting much better. I went back to the Catholic Church. EWTN. The Journey Home started me back on my journey back to the church. Was brought up in the U.K. Married a young man and mo Ed to Northeastern. Pa. His family were so strict and stern. Very strict non Catholics. Reminded me of the Puritans who came over on the Mayflower. I was brought up in the Anglican faith.

[@alyssawoodman]

@@dianesicgala4310 Thanks for the reply! Being personal with God is a Human Right and a personal choice. All I want for ex JW's is for them to be free and make choices that are right for them. Live your authentic life!

[@dianesicgala4310]

Thank you so much. God bless you.

[@chrisdurant4627]

Diann come back, make a stand, the devil tricked you,, its close now, the.worlds getting worse,, why,,,,,, satans.abysing is.very close,, the truth will not leave you,,,

[@Kathyco96]

Omg 😂 so funny I did exactly the same last year watching Lloyd channel during the zoom meeting. Excellent interview thank you

[@labelle8110]

CO meeting happening while I am typing this…true story. PIMO here.

[@labelle8110]

@Me Joseph It truly is!

[@damonrandall9844]

My dad was a mechanic and the other JW’s in the congregation did the same thing. Always taking advantage of him by trying to get free or discounted work done. If he couldn’t they would give him the cold shoulder as if he wronged them in some way. They were such transparent assholes!

[@stevenclarke5606]

There is no love with this Cult, it’s full of fake, false and judgmental, narcissistic users!

[@eragonzaroc]

I knew of these things as well with a famous basketball star. Sadly he died a few years ago, but he chose a good life away from the fame he had. I believe he was sincere, but deluded as I was.

[@irresistible743]

@@eragonzaroc Kobe Bryant was JW?

[@sfxanno2311]

@@irresistible743 wait what?kobe was a JW????whaaattt

[@R.Oates7902]

@Damon Randall My mother's mechanic was a JW. She went to him bc she trusted him to be honest. I don't know about any discounts given. Everyone liked him bc he was a good person. I don't know of any hard feelings toward him.

[@cindyarnold8165]

Love bombing strikes again! How many of us have been the victim of love bombing? We are wired for connection. We all want to be loved and have community. So glad this woman woke up!

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

As a fellow recruit, I also hung to the 1914 Generation until the day I woke up. I never accepted the overlapping generation crap.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

@@davidnoelfranks1124 - My doubts started in 1995. Sadly, I didn't leave until 2018.

[@tdomingues89]

@@EfrainRiveraJunior even with the overlapping generation in 2010 i belive. the biggest BS they ever done lol

[@greyberet1]

@@EfrainRiveraJunior But at least you’re out, now you can enjoy your freedom, look forward, can’t change the past but you can help influence your future by your thoughts and actions now 😆. Cheers from Canada.

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

@@tdomingues89 - I know, right? But, now we are free. Better later than never.

[@tdomingues89]

@@EfrainRiveraJunior i am a non jw, but i do understand whats going on, covid did alot of damage to the org, they understand that the people that don´t go more to zoom, may never return to the KH.

[@alexaviercuadrado]

We’re about to hit that 100k subs mark, Lloyd!!! So freaking proud of you and your team for all the good work you all are doing my fellow EX-Jay Dub Brother 🔥🔥🔥

[@jeanniejewel2272]

Thank you both for your activism. 👍

[@freedomparadisechick6564]

😊 Great interview!! Love seeing more people opening their eyes and leaving Watchtower behind!

[@dervish108]

My mother and I were also recruited as adults. I was in my thirties, my mother was in her sixties. We were at one of the lowest parts of our lives. My family had a lucrative business stolen from us. I was raised Catholic, and I felt that I didn't study the Bible as I should have. And their message was that the end was coming very soon and we wouldn't have to deal with this system anymore. The same system that allowed a business to be stolen from my family. So it was very appealing at the time. In five years, I was deemed unworthy of baptism because my job supporting my mother and I allegedly took too much of my time, which I suspect they felt entitled to my time being shunted to the organization. They also tried to encourage me to break up with my non-Christian fiancé. Although we were never baptized, I feel bad that five years of our lives were wasted associating with JW. I feel as if I will always be ashamed for allowing this to happen.

[@mr.atheist8848]

Sad to hear that. I hope you and your fiance are now back together. And your mom also realized that this is a cult as well and left.

[@pansepot1490]

Don’t feel ashamed for being taken advantage of when in a vulnerable position. It’s their fault, not yours.

[@Letts_prey]

Be grateful it was only 5 years! Glad you saw it for what it is, and escaped. As it’s said, ‘No such thing as a bad experience, as long as you learn from it’. I’m sure there’s positives going forward. (I know one. You were behind the inspiration for my avatar 😁)

[@maryannlockwood7806]

That’s how my parents got roped in when I was very little. I had a brother who had a severe illness that he succumbed to when he was a year & a half old. It’s all I ever knew because they got baptized when I was three.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@R.Oates7902]

@@maryannlockwood7806 I'm sorry about your brother. That's very sad. Your parents may have been made to believe your brother would be resurrected. That could be how they got pulled into the cult. That's very possible. They always find vulnerable ppl and pounce on them!

[@eragonzaroc]

Yeah Lloyd I have to say this is a very truthful interview

[@bonnie1606]

I can hear the distress in Kim’s voice, thank you SO much for being brave and sharing your story. Much love to you 💕

[@sofiaalmeida3770]

This happened with two people in my family, they were recruited at a difficult time in their lives. They were in their 40’s and 60’s….

[@stevenclarke5606]

This is one of their chosen weapons, find people who are vulnerable and traumatised and exploit this to indoctrinate them into the Cult! One tactic is to promise that you will live forever and you will see all your loved one’s who have died, but only if you give us your life , time , thoughts , lots of money and total commitment!

[@Jupiter_Crash]

All grifters utilize emotional vulnerabilities whether it’s religion, self help, or financial freedom.

[@stevenclarke5606]

@@Jupiter_Crash and just classic con merchants

[@sofiaalmeida3770]

Exactly. The promise of living forever in paradise is a big problem. One of them is still in, and this has caused some havoc in the family throughout the years. Right now things are kind of ok but it’s not an ideal situation.

[@R.Oates7902]

@@Jupiter_Crash GRIFTERS! Exactly!

[@robsanchez4819]

Her story about the JWs expecting a discount at her business struck a chord with me. I haven’t been a part of this cult for over 35 years but my oldest brother, who is a JW and former elder, never has hesitated to ask for loans from me. I am disfellowshipped and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. They are such a sad group of losers.

[@alyssawoodman]

You can hear the trauma in this woman's voice. What a destructive organization!!!

[@sammyytube5999]

Absolutely! You can leave as quick as possible, but they still leave you with residual effects. Brave woman. She traumatized, but she is also certain that she can't go back.

[@parallax9281]

She tried really hard trying to stay in too..! She'd still be there had it not been for the asshole behavior of those elders..

[@alyssawoodman]

@@parallax9281 This is a destructive lying cult. No one should be in it.

[@parallax9281]

@@alyssawoodman Yes, and its leaders are ruthless criminals hiding behind a 503c Corporation agreed.. But none the less, there are people still in it. I was just making an observation.. It's like, one would have to be a masochist to still be a JW.. That's all.

[@GingerSmurfette]

My dad was a dentist and he would have the same thing where brothers and sisters used to expect friends and family discounts

[@woodyglendell7400]

🎶 Smiling leeches...smiling leeches sometimes..no they don't tell the truth! Smiling leeches, smiling leeches can lie....and I got proof! 🎶

[@ms.anonymousinformer242]

That is a personal decision (as much as I disagree with doing that) , and so the people responsible for any bad outcome of that practice would be the individuals themselves. I do not expect discount from any one and do would not charge less than my normal rate . It is all about boundaries. If that is unhealthy to do don't do it. Period. :)

[@kimberlymontagnese8509]

My husband is also a dentist and it’s not just JWs looking for a handout. Neighbors, friends of friends, priests, etc. Seems like JWs are more blatant than some others.

[@sfxanno2311]

@@kimberlymontagnese8509 i am a JW and im sorry to hear that,tbose who asked for discounts like this are not real JW's.and about non-JW's doing that..well thats society and human greed,always using kind and nice ppl

[@parallax9281]

@@sfxanno2311 With the deepest respect, it must be stated.. It's really not up to a regular rank an file to say who is, or is not considered a JW.. What you haven't fully realized is; people are people reguardless of their affiliations.. But most of all, they usually reflect the culture they preside in..

[@nikkirobinson3561]

I remember one nosey elders wife asked where's my Dad was. I told her he was down under. She said "oh i am sorry to hear he is dead". I started to laugh and told her he's not dead he lives in Australia!

[@labelle8110]

Those crazy elders wives

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

Well, when you don't pursue higher education, it's inevitable.

[@foxiedogitchypaws7141]

@@labelle8110 Yes Elderetts have to carry miniature umbrellas for their noses.

[@joek600]

Her husband was a saint I would be gone the day after she joined the cult and had those crazies loitering around my shop. He should be canonized.

[@woodyglendell7400]

Leeches love the smell of that hemoglobin.

[@Monotheist137]

People need to open their eyes regarding "living in a last days" despite everything what happened with pandemic, we live in a best times in history regarding saftey, healthcare, starving.

[@1414141x]

Exactly my thoughts. We are better off generally than we ever have been. There are less wars, less deaths from disease, less starvation etc than there ever has been. We live longer and healthier than we ever have. The problem is that we now also live in the media age and so are bombarded with mainly the negative things going on rather than the good. Bad news is news, good news tends not to be. So because of this we don't get a true perspective on the improvements we are making for humanity as a whole. The good thing about the media is that we are now aware of things going on that even 50 years ago we would never have been aware of. So with this information we can act. COP26 being a prime example of this. It's not perfect but at least we are getting together to confront a problem that effects us all.

[@parallax9281]

It's FEAR.. Enough people become fearful, (and YOU know it's just a cycle.?) You could have them eating anything you feed them; because you know unaware people still need that sense of security..

[@annemariefrank]

Perfect! There's another book which makes this point: "Factfulness", by Hans Rosling. Huge amounts of evidence to show HOW GOOD the world has become.

[@eragonzaroc]

The born in, is the hardest as one has to rethink everything.

[@todayshorse]

Fascinating listening. My mother was doorstepped back in around 1976/77 whilst I was out playing. I kept coming home to find this Lady still at the door. My mother is still JW 44 years later. Although I was never baptised my life changed at that exact moment until leaving school and home. I can clearly recall my father, who at first wanted nothing to do with JWs gradually becoming involved. As he was good with cars, I can remember him helping out with plenty of brothers and sisters car repairs. I never really thought about it until watching this!

[@ismaelamadot3893]

Hi Lloyd. Many blessings. Loved the interview. Just great. Keep up the good work. God bless. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.

[@georgeporgy7568]

First hand experience don't let witnesses know you work on computers for a living either. They love a It guy as well.

[@cherylcroom4607]

It's hard to believe she had never heard about 1975! Maybe the era? I was raised from 5years old as a witness, my mom had been "recruited" and I remember very vividly how it was suppose to be 1975 course that didn't happen. I am 66years old now have been out of that faith since I was 26years old. I am only now realizing a lot of the lies, I feel like so much of my life has been wasted because of this faith. And being shunned and how alone I was.

[@parallax9281]

You may be surprised who was NOT aware of the watchtower 1975 scare. The reason why so many didn't know about it, is because if it was brought up by anyone, the elders would eradicate the people who brought it up.. The Watchtower is very efficient at replacing its followers with new oblivious ones..

[@debbiepa1954]

I was baptized in Feb 1975 so the end was very promoted . As a result a great influx occurred .

[@jimbobaggans1564]

I lived through the 1975 debacle. You NEVER brought up 1975. You didn't dare talk about it and if you did you would be pulled aside and chewed out for it. They didn't want their noses rubbed in their false prophecies. It was a good choice by the organization. After 1975 it was never brought up. So new people would never learn about it. Just what they wanted. Mention 1975 and jehovah witnesses knew you were an apostate.

[@Scott-iu2jx]

Yes l can relate to a lot of this. Everything is oh so loving until you get baptised then gradually attitudes change towards you unless they want a freebee. If you have nothing to offer then..... Or it's OH a brother is a doctor or physio and helps so and so. But he's to busy or fully booked to get you an appointment. A lot goes on behind scenes like false attitude, shunning, often made up gossip, but never telling you about their accusations or grievences. (breaking the bible rule on grievances with another bro or sis) Yet, will deny if challenged. All mind control tactics. Overseers never listened either to those who needed help with such issues or if you were poor and working hard to be accepted. Jesus put things into perspective and said. in John 13:34, 35 and Romans 13: 8-11. These Verses especially V 11a. Really puts everything into perspective... "Now is the time to awake out of sleep...." (KJV. Study Bible.)

[@parallax9281]

@@Scott-iu2jx I'm not sure if you're still on it..? But it's the ELDERS.. The ELDERS are the people who knows all the secrets, they know where all the bodies are buried as a result of the corruption (That's constantly confused with imperfection) that's openly accepted in that, 503c hustle..

[@rachie3949]

I could never understand how my mom was recruited in the early 90s, but this person's story put it into perspective for me. My mom was young with 2 small children as well, and was probably interested in learning about the bible from seemingly intelligent and friendly people.

[@angelatabbs2567]

My mom was recruited by door when we were very young. She was in a bad place mentally and they too advantage of her. I watched them destroy her. I have NEVER forgiven JW for that

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

Hi, Kim. It was an absolute privilege listening to your story. Thanks for sharing.

[@sebastiansauve3752]

Totally feel her heart break about her flesh and blood family. The organization did the same to me, and I turned my back on my family. More than two decades went by. After, I left the cult, my family was there and forgave me, but my brothers broke down later and they were so hurt that I left them for so many years. We missed out on watching our children grown up, and experiencing life together. For this reason I absolutely hate that cult, they robbed me of my life.

[@Fazzamania]

I’m a non JW and my sister has been in for 50 years. I presume you understand that from a non JW perspective, we really just sit there and soak up abuse from JWs. I have been for years. It’s really only in the last 10-15 years with the internet that I even understood it. The teachings are total psychotic madness to an outsider. Unfortunately, my sister has missed everything in my life and she can never get that back. She is essentially lost to me. I understand your pain but can see both sides. Either way, Watchtower has a lot to answer for.

[@R.Oates7902]

@@Fazzamania It was different for my non believing family members. My parents visited fairly regularly with them to love bomb and hopefully convert them one day. It never happened. It backfired. We ended up celebrating a cousin's birthday once! 🎂

[@Fazzamania]

@@R.Oates7902 😂😂😂 nice. We tried that in the early days but got tantrums, tears and emotional threats…”you’ll never see me again if….”

[@shejojo4517]

The same reasons I was recruited into organisation. I wanted to learn Bible and the normal church goes doesn’t really learn wats inside bible and the introduction of bible by jws looks very good and appealing and only after u r inside baptised few years u can see it’s all brainwashing. But now the positive thing is that this motivated me to read bible myself and now im an atheist😀

[@lloydchristmas4547]

Welcome to free thought. You did it.

[@barrygibbons2803]

what a revelation of the power of god. read the bible and become an atheist. do you mean that you became an ex jehovah's witness which is not the same thing.?

[@kylitapolita]

Very raw and emotional. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@Fazzamania]

Her distress at losing her worldly family relationships over many years is clearly evident. As a non JW, it’s not really about forgiveness towards the family JW, it’s about the ability to have a normal relationship knowing that trust has been breached 100’s of times over the course of decades. You can’t just accept an apology and pretend nothing happened. In my own case, i can barely claim to even know my sister properly given that she is in her 60’s and has been a JW since she was 10. I know my postman better so even if she left and apologised tomorrow morning, there is no real relationship to pick up. The history between us is non existent.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

That's so true. Mistakes that were made by a family member, if not corrected, in a few years you loose all connections. What would have bound you together and kept you tight, now is a decision that you made years ago. You decided that the jehovah witnesses would be your family now. Your real family tried to reach out to you but were pushed away. Now you want to embrace them? Too much time has passed. Too much water under the bridge. You forged this relationship, or lack of relationship over the years. You worked on it. Now you have no flesh and blood family and have no jehovah witness family. Welcome, to the world you created.

[@keepingitsimple6940]

My husband was a mechanic also and we dealt with the same things. We closed the business down due to my husband's health but the witnesses kept calling & stopping by our house. We moved out of town about a year later. I also experienced the pressure to cut off my family but they didn't succeed we had too strong of a bond. After 30 yrs I left the org. I told my family if it hadn't been for them keeping me grounded & not judging I would have never woke up.

[@markreyes3117]

I just gotta say Loyd, Happy 100k followers! You DA man Support and love from San Francisco!

[@kirkpeters8043]

Don't have a truck either. You'll be expected to be in the moving business. For free of course.

[@christopher4688]

I left the organization I was a part of and lead me to question everything. I definitely relate to Atheism in a big way. I considered myself an Atheist for a few years. I see reality, the Universe, all of the wonderful things about life (obviously not all), and it leaves me speechless. I see all of this as Devine. Rob Bell's book 'Everything is Spiritual' is a fantastic book if you wish to maintain some sense of spirituality without the baggage of Evangelical Christianity. Not sure if she sees this, but thought I'd post just in case. Great conversation!

[@josephhebert1785]

Lloyd we are all thankful for your videos.

[@coachjon03]

This was a very interesting interview. I can relate to the brothers, and especially the elders, always looking for a favor on car repairs lol. I loved how she woke up to the false teaching that it's "the end of times".Human society as a whole has always been collapsing. Nothing new about that.

[@annpangburn394]

Boy she is right, it’s the organization that’s harmful in some way that initially starts the wake up process, “apostates” simply confirmed what I suspected. Great lady.

[@deborahamstead5506]

WOW what a Story! Thank you for sharing. I found it interesting about the sister that had a relationship with your husband. Did she think that because the Elders introduced her to your husband, she had a special position. Maybe having a Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

[@labelle8110]

No just a home wrecker

[@joek600]

@@labelle8110 Το be honest the real home wrecker was the lady being interviewed. Who knows the unbelievable troubles and trials she caused to her family because of her stupidity. Imagine being her husband and one day she gets in a crazy heresy, an army of religious fanatics marching in and out of your house and business. And to add insult to injury they demand free work that you probably do because you dont want to be nagged to death by your crazy wife that has no mind for her home, children, or business because she is running around in ''bible studies'', ''brothers'', ''sisters'' and BS like that. Frankly anyone else in his shoes, would be snorting coke off the boobs of strippers every night. The fact that this man made just one relation outside of this crappy marriage is a testimony of his solid character and honesty. A true hero and family man.

[@helenmurphy4763]

There is a lot of narcissism within it’s a breeding ground

[@jimbobaggans1564]

@@joek600 I thought the same thing. He put up with more than I could have. His only mistake was getting mixed up with the bimbo sister.

[@cindyarnold8165]

I have great mechanics! I pay whatever they ask because they do such good work and take good care of my cars. A good mechanic is hard to find, so I pay gladly!

[@markhindenburg2506]

Me too! I never ask for a discount or negotiate pricing...but my mechanic always goes the extra mile for my porsches!!

[@Bad80y1]

Yes Jehovah’s Witnesses destroy lives, families, and even businesses. I feel sorry for the rank and file as they really can’t comprehend that they are being lied to. On the other hand I despise some of these witnesses that are so self righteous, arrogant, and all out ignorant. And how I can relate to witnesses interested in you giving them a deal or freebies when it comes to doing business. I think most all of us hearing this experience can relate to her dilemma. My old man always did that “give me a deal because I’m a brother” nonsense.

[@georgiakoloff4542]

Wonderful video. She told the whole truth about this organization. I e been out about 30 years, but I watch your videos because my 83 year old husband is still in.thank you Loyd.

[@Bad80y1]

@Its Me - I swear a lot of Jehovah’s are the worst people on this planet. Yes I was one of them, but never felt like my shit didn’t stink. I always gave. Never took or had a self centred attitude. Never ever did business with them people. I had a bunch of them trying to get meinto these pyramid scheme multilevel marketing businesses. I mean pushy, arrogant, and selfish .

[@foxiedogitchypaws7141]

@@georgiakoloff4542 , take good care of yourself. Just remember we are not judged by men or womenetts . They may want to judge you , but they are nothing. Good health to you and your husband.

[@Muffinman-t4p]

I can totally relate to this story. Brother used to love getting the hook up on everything! Almost expecting it to be free and then blaming it on a blessing from Jehovah. Great example my parents. Both retired and on a limited budget my dad asked me to look for a car for him with his tax return. They had just moved to California and needed a car but I lived out of state so I offered my dad to go look and drive it over. Me having a good amount of knowledge about cars asked my dad what he was looking for. He started something along the lines of a Toyota Avalon. Said ok dad I'll see what I can find. Well after looking and test driving a few cars I found what he was asking for and bought it. Long and behold my mom decided to chime in and tell my siblings how it was a blessing from God that my dad was praying for an Avalon and won't you know it here I found and bought him one. Never mind that I knew what to look for and I was the one doing the test driving. Nah Jehovah did all that. Give credit where credit is due! And I'm damn sure it wasn't God lol

[@johnmeyn8802]

I am non-religouse. There are problems in the world, but we are living in the best time of human existence.JW doesn't seem to think much about their paradise. They love all the high --tec that man makes in the real world. God can make the universe yet needs a man to make stuff we use every day. I had a Business once repairing marine engines. I went to a JW home he showed me one of those paradise pictures. He asked would I like to live there I said that's a painting from the WT. I said 'what's the Lion going with the child'. He said they were like that once. Then he said "he might need someone to repair his outboard motor in paradise' I said what you WHAT!! you are going to have an outboard engine in your paradise. I was shaking my head, it was so silly

[@moemapelissari6842]

i live in Brazil, and the community where i grew up was very, very poor, so much so that one of the most used publications were those (i can't remember the name) provided by Watchtower to teach others how to write and read. some of the brothers and sisters would visit others by lunch or dinner time just so they could eat! imagine that! the grip on those people who somehow had to thank the "organization" for learning how to read, write and have places to go and have some food in exchange for their whole life, soul and purpose in this existence.

[@moemapelissari6842]

i've met so many people who did not have access to the most basic of the tools to develop some level research skills, it was to the point that most of them couldn't even understand the meaning behind the words they've just learned to read; wich, of course, wasn't of any concern for the elders to prevent them of being able to go to service... the idealism and mysticism projected on the GB can reach such an extrem level! even though, if you show them a picture of those old guys A LOT of people wouldn't recognize their faces or who they are. i assure you that the MY OWN MOTHER (who is still totally in) have 0 idea of how those men look like. sad... it's sad. EDIT: words in english; trying my best!

[@moemapelissari6842]

@@dolam i agree 100%. i've been reading a lot about how this blind trust and self surrender to a god or religous figure - in this case jehova and the GB - often stems from an unconscious/subconscious need for a replacement of the father/parental figure, that in frequent cases, might have been absent, abusive or otherwise problematic in the early childhood in the lives of people who subject themselves to this kind of guidance. i clearly see this applying to my mother's case. EDIT: english words again.

[@bhanson4917]

This is very interesting for me- as both my parents were converts- both now POMI. I was born in- now POMO. But they will never understand what it's like to be born in. NEVER. Even though they were the ones who brought me up in it. They just don't get how it effects you differently. But this wonderful person's story sounds very familiar to my parent's reasons for indoctrination... I understand her tears. I hope she is well and respect her strength . They pray on vulnerability. It's appalling.

[@monamiller4383]

My older brother had an auto shop and I managed his books. He had the same thing happen and it put him out of business. We had a ton of brothers who just didn't pay. It was awful.

[@krossapatriarkatet2696]

This interview is great. Thanks to both of you (and Tibor).

[@yourix2]

You know the same was for me. I was not born in this cult. It was my fascination with the bible that pulled me. It seemed that time the JW where unlocking these "secrets". Granted i was 18 back then so that might have played a role two.

[@eragonzaroc]

You were vulnerable to finding reasons for things.

[@yourix2]

@@eragonzaroc Exactly, i came from an unstable home with a single mother. And looking back i was looking for structure and order. But i also had this obsession with God from my upbringing. Now thinking about it. There was a lot of variables that created this perfect storm.

[@valerieatkins9994]

I remember falling top to bottom of the stairs when my son aged 12 months old who was awake upstairs and required my attention having just opened the door and calling into my house two witnesses. They completely ignored me having falling down the stairs and proceeded to preach the Bible to me . On no occasion did they attempt to help me and ask if l was ok. I have since over time become associated with other witnesses and who have in my opinion behaved exactly the same . I believe that the reason JWs were unsuccessful in pulling me in to this cult religion having tried severe times (only because l did not want to be disrespectful ) was down to my intuition thank fully and my Christian values . JWs are like parasites they find you wherever you go. I am angered that recently have received another letter from another JW who l have no recollection of that my details are not protected and are past on to other witnesses to try and have a go at pulling me and getting me involved They have been responsible for severing relations that a dear friend of mine who became indoctrinated into this dreadful cult. I really don’t understand why JWs allow themselves to become brainwashed into this dreadful religion. I feel harassed by the constant attempt they make to contact with me by sending letters from different JWs; how dare they pass on my details without my consent. I am trying not to become angry but l do know that l will never again be so polite whenever l become confronted with a JW. I love your videos Lloyd. They have become my salvation and have helped me to cope with this cult religion. It is such a pity so many scared JWs are afraid to watch your videos Lloyd however it is fear of being made aware that their organisation is wrong and fear of being left in limbo with no direction. Such a pity. Thank you Lloyd. Enjoy you videos wholeheartedly.

[@R.Oates7902]

@@valerieatkins9994 I'm sorry you fell and no one cared! That's awful! I got a letter this summer. In August 2021 from someone I don't know. My mother or someone else gave them my information. Handwritten. They count the time it takes to write these letters toward their time in service. They brag amongst each other who writes the most letters! Absolutely disgusting!

[@yourix2]

@@valerieatkins9994 You know as witness i would hear these stories and gasp in disbelieve. But as years go by, there are some i know personally who see non-JW as immoral and to some extend beneath them. I really did not belong there looking back

[@robinbanks2986]

Makes me sad to know I was one of those people who recruited. I’m so ashamed of that now but I now warn anyone who will listen that if a JW comes up to you…RUN ITS A CULT! I’m quite sure I’ve stopped more people from joining than I did from recruiting. 💪🏻❤️

[@idelsiapeay6639]

What happened with her an her family is exactly like my own story!! I can’t believe how amazingly similar it was, I one hundred por sent understand her pain and regrets. I’m so happy she is out💐

[@vinegar10able]

Sounds very familiar. I remember in my congregation people were always getting brothers to do their car.

[@olmeckrav]

The Live Forever book was the book that trapped me while I was a teenager.

[@rodywithers3536]

Heartfelt account of the calculated lure of the JW message on emotionally vulnerable individuals. Thank you so much for the courage to share - and for the learnings about self and others along the way. So pleased you are now well out of the manipulative grasp of this high-control organization.

[@debbiepa1954]

When I was newly baptized in 1975 I later met a sister who had 2children. She was disfellowshipped for getting involved with a man (she was 25 and born in the JWs)She told me a story of when she would push her baby in a coach in the rain ,walking to the Kingdom Hall .She wanted to get reinstated that badly, Witnesses would ride right passed her. Talk about strength and determination! I began to see flaws almost from the beginning.

[@rodywithers3536]

@@debbiepa1954 that self-righteous attitude of JWs is so similar to that shown by the Pharisees of Jesus's day - the very one's he publically criticized for their misplaced righteousness.

[@gabitaylor3005]

Thank you Lloyd for your work, I just over a week ago put my letter of disassociation into an elders letterbox down the road, so still all very fresh but part of waking up to the lies we have been told by everyone in power for over a hundred years. Fortunately for me, I was mostly ostracised for decades, since leaving my husband. Thank you again

[@donyboy73]

I used to get brothers, elders included come to my shop to try and get me to bypass safety features on grocery store cleaning equipment

[@iamnancy2185]

Watchtower is waking itself up. Wow that corny jw broadcasting.

[@evabrown4160]

Very similar here, was ‘recruited’ as a vulnerable teenager at 14 years age, got baptised about 4 months after started studying then very soon after the ‘love bombing’ ended and the true face of toxic environment & people emerged. I spent 22 years in the cult, it broke my marriage, left me a single parent with no education or career, with multiple mental & physical issues. Although I woke up in 2013 I didn’t disassociate myself until 2018. Wish I had done it sooner but better late than never!

[@elexododelostestigosdejeho8161]

Be brave girl be brave it’s a healing ❤️‍🩹 long road .. at times it’ll be dark at times better..☕️☝️😞

[@mikeq5807]

The only reason such people have power is because you give them that power by acquiescing. They would never prevail otherwise. Good experience because all experience is able to bequeath insight. Humility, gratitude and love for truth is the portal into evolving spiritually, becoming empowered on a soul level.

[@annemariefrank]

What a fantastic interview! Thank you both for it!

[@harmkev2]

At the political level we can understand the cult affect and why Trump is a cult of personality. Beliefs are often the product of an emotional response that often isn't based in facts. These beliefs come from wanting something to be true and an escape from times of sadness. The human mind is the most powerful force we know and when misguided it's positive brain power is lost to all of us.

[@eragonzaroc]

The cult of wishing for a savior, Trump. Sad but true, as much as I thought he really did try to run around to the side of the evil ones.

[@lh1673]

Thank you so much, life stories are amazing.

[@joyfuls6859]

Have any ex JWs ever requested a refund on all there donations when they realise they have been scammed.

[@shanghaiberti4142]

There is no point.. How do you prove what you gave?

[@foxiedogitchypaws7141]

They need to sue. A class action law suit of unpaid time.

[@marywhite8517]

Those Zoom meetings were the best thing that happened. My husband hasn't been back since. I have never asked him why. Doesn't matter, I hope he never goes back.

[@stephanykaiser7556]

Fear and guilt; how they control their members. Thanks for sharing your story.

[@steann1]

Go the 'Red Rocket'...or the PE book... That was my intro into a fantasy world too but i had to study 'The Blue Book' afterwards aswell.. 'The truth that leads to everlasting life'...i thought it was, but cant find it online. ..the word everlasting seems to be 'eternal'...so i may have had a brain fade or Mandella effect..(im old) I was only allowed to get dunked after 2 1/2 years...and then they made me do one more book... The Nations Shall Know That.....ohhh....kill me now.

[@robertaluba7368]

I think the love bombing is actually sincere on the part of the bombers. Although love bombing is definitely a characteristic of high control groups, I don't think it is a taught or practiced recruitment "tactic". It is a natural human response to be excited when you find someone of like mind or with similar interests. Unfortunately the love bombers are indoctrinated into a belief system that is of such epic proportions which has had such an undue influence over them, it is core to their lives. The love bombing is so intense because they are sharing their entire "life" with you. Their excitement does wear off naturally like any stimulus. The drudgery of JW life has them quickly looking for a new shiny object to focus on and feed that craving. Too bad it is so conditional and superficial.

[@olmeckrav]

The JWs when they use the JW connection to get discounts is actually amounts to us giving a subsidy to the Watchtower. Because instead of these JW getting a job and pay fair for others work they spent their time pioneering and expect others to “help them” to continue pioneering.

[@jimbobaggans1564]

You are exactly right.

[@originalsue8323]

I am so glad Jehovah's witnesses are watching this, normally they wouldn't. What I am surprised they are so obedient. I am an independent adult I would never let no stupid elders run my life

[@teresahardy5895]

I love how Lloyd controls his side eye beautifully.

[@TheBeardedWitness]

Awesome story!! Yet another soul saved from the claws of the destructive Watchtower CULT!! Thanks Lloyd!!

[@dizzygoat8379]

Before I was baptized I studied the Bible teach book with a sister who actually had only recently became a witness herself within the past few years but her husband was not witness and had no interest in being one. However, he was a mechanic and a lot of people in my congregation went to him for stuff. I’m not aware if they requested discounts but considering how many people started going to him I wouldn’t be surprised. I really truly hope she wakes up soon!!

[@tiadiad]

Man! This would make a great little recording studio. Nice diffusive surfaces. 4:06

[@nuniegomez2970]

Hosted book study at our house for over11 years and was treated and disrespect in my home by various members and elder trying to tell my young kids how to behave in their own home. Once I decided to quit giving talks for the school and 3 elders came to talk me out of it. Lost some of the things like microphones and reading watch tower on Sunday mornings. Finally I had enough and left. Soon my kids left too. Can't stand these people. Jail them their a bad organization preying on our children.

[@shelleyfinch9697]

My Mum joined for these exact same reasons

[@mariacardoso1477]

I apologize if you consider this story off the subject. I don't mind if it is deleted. When I was a J.W. there was a lady who had been studying the bible for a couple of years. But she didn't show much progress. She went very seldom to the meetings and didn't go out preaching. The sisters and helders started being impatient and were ready to stop visiting her. However, she was pretty receptive to the message, and 'to encourage her' she was often invited to baby showers, bride showers and weddings. Of course she accepted eagerly every invitation and showed up. One day at one of those receptions, one of elders aproached her table and almost shouted: And you? All this time? What are you waiting for? She understood very well what he was alluding to, but she just answered smiling: What do you think I'm waiting for? I'm just wainting for my meal to be served. Lol. J.W. =0 - That Lady =1 .

[@onesunnyday5699]

Her story is so much like mine, lonely single mom who avoided them for about a decade on my dad's pleading requests. I was love bombed, my oldest son was (at 1st). Once I was in & brainwashed, they started to pull away & I saw the hypocrisy & cliques, but I had JEHOVAH with me & "this was his organization" so I hung on, even brought my sister in. I'm coming up to 3 yrs faded & the trauma is only now starting to dim.

[@olmeckrav]

I kind of did the same. I wanted to hang on to Christian teachings after leaving the abusive organization. But turning the same spot light of research on religion as a whole crumbled those remnants of baseless belief aka faith.

[@harveymogarawanderingfilip5318]

This is informative and a first time to see an Armenian person with JW background (I knew it by the last name)

[@goldsattler]

she isn't of an armenian background. her husband who wasn't a jw, is of armenian background.

[@olmeckrav]

15:12 similar to my friend who went on stage in an assembly to tell how he “quit” a job with a lot of overtime for another one working only for days. Except he didn’t quit! The project ended. And the new job’s schedule was the standard in the industry! So basically he did nothing. It was a lie.

[@debbiepa1954]

My brainwashing was the little blue “Truth”book .

[@yvonne3903]

I've been trying to remember it's name.

[@Scott-iu2jx]

Yes l too.

[@debbiepa1954]

@@yvonne3903 “The Truth The Leads To Eternal Life”

[@yvonne3903]

@@debbiepa1954 thank you. I conducted about 15 Bible studies with that book never thought I would forget it's name, that's a good sign. Should have been titled, The lies that ensnare you.

[@debbiepa1954]

@@yvonne3903 Unfortunately,I never forgot it.I still have my original from 1974,when I began my study. Actually ,I believe I sent for it after filling out a form from the back of a small tract left in my door.

[@knowthyself8233]

I can relate to that your own flesh and blood family as bad association. 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️ I was a recruit too. Freshly in a new country knowing no one, you know how it goes.

[@theresaakins2317]

I really need to be interviewed by you Lloyd. I was a door recruit and I was a young adult when I started studying. I never really looked at why I came into the org, what motivated me to study and believe and I was a very I n telling person but had psychological reasons to why I believed. I would be a good case study.

[@blacck7goldd787]

Watchtower is Corrupt