Jenna Ortega Situation is Crazy, Is Hasan Piker Right About Gen Z, Harris Trump Debate Drama & More

[@localmenace3043]

People have been inappropriate over child stars for a _long_ time. I feel for Jenna. You have to wonder, why didn’t a representative make the account and operate it instead of handing it off to a _14-year-old kid_ and leaving her to the mercy of creeps? She should have _never_ seen any of it and the fact that she had to see it is a failure on the adults’ part. It’s disgusting and reprehensible behavior and the fact that it’s so normalized is horrifying. AI becoming more popular is going to _destroy_ this new generation of underage celebrities unless we more strictly regulate it. It’s literal child porn and it should be prosecuted as such.

[@thesheerwoodcrow5465]

You answered your phone en question,

[@gumides47]

Since child stars became a thing it was awful, men are creeps, parents turn controling and greedy. Nobody thinks about the immense damage child stardom carries, instead they are mocked when they grow up for acting strange.

[@hybridvigga]

Social media HAS made that worse, but regular media was pretty scummy about it with young girls. Billie Piper was a 14 year old pop star (she later went on to play Rose in the Doctor Who reboot) and for 6 months, while she was still only 15, the Rupert Murdoch owned, number one newspaper in the country, had a countdown on their front page every day, noting the days left till she turned 'legal' at 16, which I thought was pretty disgusting as like a 16 year old or something myself at the time.

[@noobiusmaximus6314]

The earliest example I can think of is with the Olsen twins, there was a huge countdown to when they turn 18. Sick. Same thing with Emma Watson.

[@ChibiQilin]

This is precisely it. This isn't an AI issue. Every problem I hear people talk about "AI" is creepy people being creepy, doing the same thing that has been done for decades. It would be a much more convincing argument to try and get rid of social media all together, because social media is also a common factor in every issue people have with AI. But social media doesn't detect breast cancer, or doesn't solve other issues that researchers have been using AI for. I think AI bros are stupid, because they don't understand AI and think it's a magic solution for everything so they should invest in any company that says AI. But at the same time, anti-AI people are like luddites. They are backwards ass luddites who advocate for the smashing of looms because someone among them is fearmongering saying it's causing X, Y, Z issues, and ignoring all the benefits. Imagine if we stopped using looms because artisans felt devalued, imagine if all industrial revolution came to a halt in the 1800's because it took away from the human aspect of making stuff. Jenna Ortega herself talks about being 12 and receiving unsolicited photos. That's not an AI issue. That is a social media issue, and an issue of predators having access to the internet.

[@0uttaS1TE]

It's kinda funny how Gen Z guys see Trump as an example of traditional masculinity. Maybe this shows I'm more millennial than Gen Z but my inspiration growing up was my dad. Self-confidence, never taking shortcuts through life, being kind to others while understanding that kindness and emotion are not weakness. That's what I learned. I look at the role models today and I see insecurity. I see a complete lack of self-confidence. I see failing relationships, I see an inability to get ahead in life, that will spiral downward.

[@nugglife3035]

I'm sure they'd love a better option. It's not so much that they love Trump, it's that the left has been telling young men, especially young white men that they are the biggest problem in the world for their entire lives. The left ignores men until it's time to blame somebody for all their problems.

[@wiggibow]

As an aging guy firmly in the 'millennial' camp; agreed. My dad is a mild mannered, soft spoken artist and music nerd. Growing up I was always aware that he wasn't exactly the pinnacle of "masculinity" as told to me by the rest of society, but I think at least partially *because* of who my dad is, I never saw that as something to aspire to - in turn the "manly man" stereotype has always seemed rather goofy to me. Like you said, to me, being a "real man" is just being a good dude, being kind and considerate of others, taking care of your loved ones as best you can, and following your own passions whatever they may be. I feel very lucky to have had a father who never cared about me growing up "tough" or any nonsense like that; he just wanted his son to live a happy and fulfilling life in whatever way that meant to me. That being said, I absolutely cannot fathom where people get the idea that Trump is some shining beacon of manliness, be it from my own personal lived perspective, or even from the watered down societal stereotype of a "tough guy/man's man" as I understand it, it's truly baffling.

[@ShadowPuppit]

@@wiggibow People are people everyone has different troubles yet instead of people trying to help one another. We just yell and screaming at one another that "it's not fair" instead of helping one another regardless of race, religion, political views, anything within since and reason like to me your dad sounds like a kick ass dude and would love to see his vinyl or anything collection and shit I'm down to see some art. People just need to be true to themself and others.

[@eXpriest]

In the absence of actual leadership most simply align to the loudest voice in the room, even if it's against their interests.

[@phoenixmorphix]

@@eXpriest”The loudest lead the crowd.”

[@MiMiDiction]

It was only mentioned in passing, but the fact that AI deepfake nudes happen to everyday women and girls is horrifying. The fear that one of our classmates or coworkers could do this to us at any time without our knowledge or consent is terrifying and heartbreaking.

[@Zetirix]

A person will do this in their mind if so inclined anyways, the only difference between the two is how easily it can be shared.

[@DeadKraken]

@@Zetirix Lmao no woman gives a flying F if a man does this crap in his mind, we're used to that. What we are not used to is some POS making an AI fake that will 100% look real to anyone but us, and then share it on the internet, which also means that friends and family can find it, a partner can find it, and a future company looking to hire us can find it, with all the consequences of the case.

[@probablypositivity8918]

​@@Zetirix It is very different.

[@boslyporshy6553]

​@@ZetirixIts a wonder that photoshop didn't get more push back for this before AI made it easier.

[@Chameleonred5]

Call me a sociopath or a moron or whatever, but what's the issue? Society already fails to teach people how to handle their urges in a healthy manner. No one's hidden that fact, and the internet makes the depths of depravity clear. Are you really horrified that the well-known unrestrained horndogs, when given tools to let their imaginary images of girls onto metaphorical paper, do so? As for consent, what do they need consent for? The videos are fake. A product of imagination. Do they really need consent to imagine others naked? Or to share imaginary ideas using glorified photoshop editing?

[@Uncledio]

I’m a gen z male who got super wrapped up into hyper masculine and conservative culture as a teenager. When I would go on youtube I would get recommended these videos of conservative influencers playing videos of feminists essentially calling men the scum of the earth. As a child these videos infuriated me, I didn’t think it was fair that someone like me who had never hurt or touched a woman was labeled like this. This sent me down the rabbit hole of conservative men cherry picking leftist extremist content and labeling it as all liberals who hated men and wanted to have a communist society. I think influencers really cater to not only genuinely bigoted people, (right or left) but to people who feel hurt by our current society and want to fight back. A lot of men my age see Trump as a classic funny guys guy, who wants to get rid of what they see as bigotry, in my experience.

[@Zzz2x]

I’m glad you realized that you were essentially being groomed by the algorithms and are able to think for yourself nowadays. It’s really sad to think that stuff is being pushed to young boys, who have never done anything to any women, are still learning who they are, and they shouldn’t be feeling they’re receiving hate for what grown men have done. Sorry you had to feel that hate that wasn’t directed towards you. Many women do have traumas associated with men, but should be more careful how they express it. There are good men out there, men who try everyday to be good.

[@TH15N4M315UN4V41L4BL]

We live in an age of outrage where all media is click bait based, designed to rile you up and the effect is polarising. It's difficult but impressive to rise above it and make informed decisions without cognitive bias or heard mentality. Well done young man. Just be yourself, the inner voice already knows true right and wrong. Carl Jung called this individuation.

[@z3romx]

glad you made it out of that rabbit hole man, gotta believe everyone can change if they just have the right support and information.

[@umbra014]

​@@Zzz2x You completely ignored the fact that he, as a man, had to go through so much misandry. And then you went to the same old "be a better man!" Bs. It's people like you who won't tackle any of the misandry men and young boys face, and you'd rather them "cope" with it and handle their emotions than fix the discrimination at play.

[@umbra014]

@@Zzz2x You didn't say anything about him having to go through as a man. You basically told him to "deal with it" and go through it. He shouldn't have to live that way.

[@TheMugans]

For the Gen Z divide story, I always see people talk about how unaffordable housing and having kids are as justification for voting Trump. Harris has a plan for tax credits for new parents and first time home buyers, yet I’ve seen no such policies from Trump, I don’t understand what’s making them think Trump will make things more affordable?

[@chase-warwick]

Both Republicans and Democrats are pitching that tax credit and it is horrible economic policy that will push prices up even further. Canada has already tried demand side solutions to housing affordability and it is also the worst country in the G7 for housing affordability

[@adntigger71015]

@@chase-warwick The problem with many political policies is that, in order to work as intended, they require multiple moving parts to ALL be approved and function at the same time. This can become nearly impossible because often some of those parts are under different jurisdictions to implement, such as federal vs state vs city, etc. For instance, with down payment assistance, this may increase demand, which may push up prices due to squeezing supply. But if the local state and city jurisdictions at the same time did things such as loosening zoning restrictions, deregulation of certain laws to allow for more building, etc (which Harris and others were calling for as recently as the DNC), that would help with the supply side -- especially since many current homes are held by people with "golden handcuff" 2% mortgage rates who "aren't moving until they die". In many states/towns this might not happen because there are a lot of people who don't want deregulation, don't want more housing built, they've got a very NIMBYism "I've got mine, F you" mindset. So. even if there is a will and way to help people lower housing costs, many people who already own homes WANT to keep high housing costs, and therefore their OWN home value, as high as possible (esp landlords), and they'll fight anything to the contrary tooth and nail.

[@AlexJ1]

"Trump = Different. Harris = Same." This is literally as far as their reasoning has taken them....

[@rebekahj8662]

Trump supporters believe more tax cuts for the ultra rich will trickle down. Like it did last time he was president - that’s why we all have houses and kids now. /s

[@chase-warwick]

@@adntigger71015 The truth is I think you need to start with the supply side, the demand side doesn't need help via subsidy because demand is already really high. The main reason companies aren't build more isn't due to a lack of demand it's due to the regulations that you have mentioned.

[@MyDirtyHobo]

Sorry... Are we talking about Boeing? Like the big planes which are definitely not falling apart Boeing? And they're trying to go to Space? And people agreed?

[@cloudyview]

To be fair-ish - they agreed to let them build it a LONG time ago, before the bad practices had become so painfully and publicly obvious.

[@mikes-wv3em]

THEY USED TO BE ENGINEERING BASED, NOT MONEY BASED

[@jamesharvey3993]

Yeah Boeing used to be fucking incredible…then their engineering focus got taken over by the finance bros. Go fucking figure they’ve become a laughing stock.

[@Sir-Worthington]

Boeing sucks

[@CeeJMantis]

To be fair, Boeing has had a lot of success building rockets, including the Saturn V rockets that took us to the Moon. However after some corporate mergers, leadership at the company changed, and it was no longer led by seasoned engineers, but instead by the profit-driven people from the company they purchased. Real Engineering did a video about it that is worth checking out.

[@marymac3572]

I hate that Jenna Ortega and so many other young women have to experience this level of harassment and abuse. I'm thrilled that people like her, Chappell Roan, and others in entertainment are speaking up about how creepy and weird people have been towards them online.

[@CorwinFound]

What I don't understand is why AI can't fix much of this issue. So let's take Twitter. You can mark your account as underage or not wanting sexual content DM'd. And then AI scans any messaged pics for adult content and blocks them if they have it. Just like YT algorithm can suppress videos with certain words, all using AI. I guess the reality is that these companies care more about advertisers than users. They'll block "inappropriate" content if advertisers object, but let utter crap hit user inboxes or screens if it's be promulgated by the advertisers.

[@daphnebabcock1151]

Agree we need to normalize celebrities being human

[@pyrogotz5076]

I have to wonder why anyone would send that intimate of a picture of themselves to anyone?? Its so weird.

[@strayiggytv]

Meanwhile male voters are busy trying their hardest to make sure women are continually victimized in new and exciting ways.

[@strayiggytv]

​@@pyrogotz5076clearly you've never been a woman on a dating site. Men send pictures of their genitals CONSTANTLY. I can only assume it's some kind of weird power trip for them where they feel strong for forcing someone else to be uncomfortable. It's sick.

[@chloes9063]

The thing about the Georgia man voting for trump. I agree with what he’s saying, the issue is that I’m a gay woman. I understand wanting those things but it shouldn’t be at the expense of others. Everyone should be able to make a comfortable life for themselves. My wife and I are working 7 days a week to survive and all that keeps us going is the hope that we can work our way to living instead of surviving and build a family. People aren’t necessarily against traditional values, they are against the exclusivity and it being compulsory.

[@rauminen4167]

Well then, price fixing by the government is how you get bread lines. Literally. You're both very welcome to join us in getting Half-ear the Teflon back in with his policies on gas prices, net wage growth, household savings, interest rates, etc. We can talk about values once we're back to that comfortable life. Remember bread lines are in fact compulsory.

[@Dloopgroop]

Ahh yes barely surviving under harris regime with biden so you... vote harris. Sounds like leftist logic

[@AgtPaper665]

I am a 38 year old man. I also feel that I'll never be able to afford kids, never afford to own a house, never afford proper healthcare. I also feel like I've been completely left behind socially and psychologically. I also feel alone, neglected, and hopeless. However, I'm still voting for Harris, because the idea that any Republican or MAGA politition actually gives a crap about me or people like me seems absolutely insane, given their history and rhetoric.

[@alexistaylor-butler8319]

This exactly.

[@TheSILENTBOB180]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NimmelTheGreat]

About right, currently society is leaving men behind and ignoring to outright vilifying their issues. That will not change under MAGA nonsense. What they want is to whisper sweet nothings and scam you out of your money and time, they are every self help/date guru that has ever existed and it has been well known for decades that all of that is made up. I don't think Harris will fix or even help the issues that men are increasingly facing. I do think the alternative will just straight up take advantage and make it worse.

[@isapheonix]

38 year old woman here, same deal except I'm in canada. This shit is the same internationally. Until we're all freed from reaganomics this will not get better.

[@tofuhearts]

I 100% agree. This isn't a gender issue, it's an economic issue, we're all drowning together.

[@mjr543]

"We have no money. I want to live, not just survive." That's a class issue, not a gender issue! Fight the right war kid!

[@ryans6188]

Seriously! I kept wondering how that has anything to do with gender 🤦

[@alijoc]

yep. regarding his point about “i’m worried i won’t be able to afford kids” though, i think that is a gender issue, and the laws that republicans want to push that targets women, will also directly affect men too

[@Remedy462]

It's because of the right wing, they want it to appear like a gender issue rather than a class issue because they want the rich to be rich and the poor to be poor.

[@SierraofTerra]

i also noticed that same person talked about being able to afford healthcare yet he doesn't support the party that has tried to bring about affordable healthcare for decades.

[@Natsukashii-Records]

@@SierraofTerra You are capping so hard. The party that will 'try to bring affordable healthcare' doesn't exist in the US since no party is willing to start actual public healthcare instead of using tax money to fund predatory insurance companies that overvalue healthcare costs by 10x to 100x their actual cost and clinics that help them do that. Also, you are telling men to support the party that supports the same people that says 'you can't be racist to whites' and 'if you are a man you are a r*pist'. Yeah, no, democrats totally blew their chance and alienated almost 50% of the population. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

[@MuffinYoBusiness]

So regarding the gen z gap, I think A LOT of it has to deal with the internet. People like Trump and Andrew Tate spout that “women don’t love you because of x,y,z etc. so you should listen to us” inflates the issue even more. Like I don’t even align myself with these people but if I had to guess their thought process it’s that they go online, see a post that says “all men are ____” then feel as though that’s not true because that’s not them but then they’ll see other similar posts talk of all the terrible things men are capable of which causes them to hate women and their opinions. Then they’ll look for guidance from other men, to which, they’ll see people like Andrew Tate and Trump spouting the same untrue/sexist claims and think to themselves “see it’s not me, it’s them.” I’m a firm believer of positive masculinity, and men shouldn’t think that they are worthless horrible people. But at the same time they should be respectful and kind to those around them. To men reading this, we need to do better. TLDR: As a gen z male, they think that by believing in people like Andrew Tate and Trump, they’ll be promoting positive masculinity when, in fact, it is the opposite.

[@kingofhearts3185]

Exactly. Not too far from my experience either.

[@MasterGhostf]

ITs not that, its just women moved farther left. Thats it.

[@innitbruv-lascocomics9910]

​@@MasterGhostf It's kinda both really, but it does seem like women have moved extremely farther left. Most likely due to Roe V Wade

[@emmalindsey9065]

@@innitbruv-lascocomics9910 Getting basic rights taken away from you will do that ... But also, I take issue with the word "extreme" in your comment. Even the left in the US is very center compared to Europe (particularly most countries in Western and Central Europe), Australia, New Zealand, and many Latin American countries. The US is just widely conservative and considers basic non partisan ideas for most countries like health care to be "far-left" and progressive.

[@xavmanisdabestest]

​@MasterGhostf *the right moved further right

[@gearsie_]

Notice how when quoting, men say "We feel undervalued by society, we want women to have a voice, but we want to be seen as loved ones, as friends, as people" And the media says "men feel like their traditional gender roles are threatened"

[@Seamannon]

Women feel undervalued and let down by society too. They also want to be seen as whole people and equal partners with their own voice in the world, instead of breeding objects and automatons to cater to the desires of toxic men. Men who really value their women, care about their health and support them in their goals instead of expecting one-sided relationships focused only on the goals of men, don't have to worry that much about being undervalued. A woman who is treated with love and respect in her relationship and who is being seen as an equal partner and a capable and smart person, will value her man, because such men are very rare unfortunately, so a man will be valued if he treats his partner right and doesn't try to dominate or coerce her into submission. Treat the women in your life as friends and loved ones and they will value you for being a decent person. Check out The Public Offender if you want to learn more about creating healthy relationships with women, he takes live calls to discuss various male issues on streams and he seems to really care about his male callers, as long as they are respectful. His channel is still quite small, so I imagine it's not that hard to get on stream and talk to him. There's also Dr.K from HealthyGamerGG, and I can also recommend his channel, but he's a huge celebrity now and getting to talk to him is probably nearly impossible, but you can still check out the content and find something that's relatable to you, because there's so much of his content that anyone should be able to relate to some part of it.

[@Nilruin]

The media always takes a minority viewpoint and inflates it as a generalization. They've been doing it for decades. The Iraq War wasn't popular among US citizens, yet the media made it out as if it were. Feminists are portrayed as these rambling lunatics spitting misandrist rhetoric. The minority of men who want to maintain traditional gender roles are touted as some majority when men in general don't care about traditional gender roles, they'd rather have any role in society. BLM is equated to Antifa, etc. The list goes on and on and on. Until people publicly call out media outlets for sweeping generalizations without actual statistics and data, they'll just keep doing it, because it gives them the views they want to make money.

[@lexeevaly1302]

Kinda dumb to say when men literally also say they want traditional gender roles. Don’t be ignorant or dumb…men are not a monolith. If you don’t think there are men out there wanting to enforce gender roles then u just have no intelligence. There are men who are normal then there are men like that…don’t play dumb like there aren’t tons of Andrew tate’s. U seem to be talking about ppl who are speaking specifically about the crazy dudes and not normal ppl. Don’t act dumb like a lot of men aren’t treating women as less. Don’t act like other men aren’t encouraging the behavior…look at the podcasts dude. U honestly just said this bc u are ignorant or u know about the dudes who do act like that but don’t care or think it’s a big deal which would also mean ur more ignorant than I thought. Don’t play dumb next time and act like they aren’t trying to do those things. Look at Harrison Butker…did that look like a man just wanting women to have a voice but also wanting love? Again stop trying to play dumb or if you don’t know anything then don’t say anything. If u can’t see both sides where yes there are normal men in who don’t treat women that way and deserve love and then there are men who want gender roles to be enforced. They can exist at the same time…don’t put all men into a box it’s not how it works. It’s idiotic and in bad faith to say the other isn’t an issue. You would also be a bad person for not acknowledging that. Sorry you can’t comprehend both of those types of men exist but normal ppl can. Ppl who don’t act in bad faith and aren’t undercover internet incels can see that…not all men want others to be treated as equal humans

[@tylerhackner9731]

I’m worried about my generation of men. Not just this election but overall. We’re falling into traps we don’t need to be.

[@MadisonTaylorSeungri]

so many people are preying on them, we need to protect the young men around us and uplift them. we need to stop shaming men and welcome them to grow and be better. men are tired of all the shitty things some men are doing being aired out. we need to fix the home life, absent fathers and give young people a sense of community. the reason these men are falling for it is because they have no one to protect them, they don't have good male figures to aspire to. our society is falling apart and overall we are all so much more isolated than before, esp after covid and social media booming even more.

[@Thromnabular]

As long as you don't think the solution is feminism and men being more emotional and in touch with their feminine side and crying... then I agree

[@milo867]

I’m worried about my generation of men so many are become soft bleeding hearts incapable of standing against an agenda of mentally ill people that think their the opposite gender.

[@conquest_of_apocalypse]

Nobody cares. Like not one bit. They may care a little just to get a vote but thats the extent of it.

[@jurassicpark12]

​@Thromnabular The fact that you frame this as a bad thing means you've already fallen into the trap. To be in control if your emotions, you first have to understand them. Men who are afraid to cry are doomed to never be in control of their lives

[@sushiroll3795]

Thank you so much for diving deeper into the gen z gender gap topic because as a gen z dude, the sheer amount of fear-mongering and misinformation that I've seen surrounding these studies is infuriating. I don't know why so many people are so desperate to paint us as overwhelmingly conservative when that's not even close to the truth.

[@kuyagab4444]

Classic case of the Left being so Far Left that everything else ends up being Right Wing.

[@Sebastian_Terrazas]

@@kuyagab4444 Funny how supposed centrists never say that about neonazis and white supremacists; "so far right that everything ends up being left wing"...

[@roshi98]

@@kuyagab4444 What do you consider "Far Left", because, if anything, the Overton Window has shifted political discourse so far right the "left" is, at most, slightly left of center.

[@guywholikesgoodmusic]

​@@kuyagab4444Bro you are literally arguing this from a point in time where the cult of MAGA exists. Anything to the left of that would look like extremism to you...

[@Acidfunkish]

​@@kuyagab4444Literally the exact opposite. The Overton window has shifted far to the right.

[@RhiFoxx]

With the Jenna Ortega story - ask just about any girl if they've been sent, or if they've seen, unsolicited pics at a young age... I bet you 90% of women have

[@jillly62]

Omegle is responsible for exposing just about every older GenZ to fully grown men masturbating by the age of 12. It’s insane. And it’s only gotten worse since it feels like. I cannot believe the things I saw online at 10-13.

[@humblegamer7876]

Almost certainly, which is why I hate when millennials and other generations call gen A and Z prudes Like no that's not the case they've just been sexually harassed since they could read

[@zcesar1000]

I'm a dude and have gotten a fair amount of unwanted pics. First time happening when I was in high school

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

​@@humblegamer7876 you guys are prudes

[@Spitefulrish]

I’m 33m have two sisters, one is 18 the other is 16. They both received unsolicited nude images and attempts at exploitation from the moment they went online around 14. Was fucking disgusting. Police couldn’t do anything even we we could prove who the person was.

[@natecorsn9097]

Everything young men are complaining about is a general issue, not a gender one. They haven’t lost really much of anything as a result of women gaining rights and more positions of power. It’s all perceived.

[@TheEpicGene15]

I saw a comment on this vid saying along the lines of “women’s rights are progressing while men’s rights are remaining stagnant. Thats unfair!” And im just like… ”uhhh youre already at the top of society.” 😭 It seems like when immature men dont have the spotlight on them, even for just a sec, they lose it and act like a victim lol

[@emilyraineer]

fuckem! no more coddling their perceptions.

[@kyoyo9350]

It's because they want someone to be below them. If women are raised up the their level then they have to face the reality that they too are at the bottom of the societal well. I don't say that to insult men at all. The rich and elite is crushing us all. Women have always had to accept being oppressed but this is a new and scary feeling for most men even tho they've always stood at the bottom too. Men, redirect your anger at the ones actually putting their boots in your face and not the people being crushed alongside you.

[@DeathOfARockStar]

For real! They can literally do anything. What rights of theirs are being stagnant?

[@bvphomet]

they center themselves + dont realize their problems are not bc of women, but it will always be easier for them to blame women.

[@Dauming66]

People actually think it will get better for poor people under trump??

[@pagionthevoiceless3682]

They think that prices will go down that that will help the poor, even though that drop is likely going to result in massive layoffs making the entire problem worse

[@31webseries]

I don't get it either. With such different plans for the future you think it would behoove any American to take 5 minutes to google a couple of issues, not pundits opinions, just definitions, so they could know if for example a 10% tariff across the board on all imports are a good thing or a very, very, very, very bad 'you think this is inflation let me show you inflation' thing that when Trump even did it to a couple of industries last time our tax dollars had to be used as subsidies to bail them out before the entire industry crashed. So higher taxes too. That should help right??

[@alienboy1322]

Trump said it himself, he loves the poorly educated.

[@multieyedmyr]

The president has nothing to do with prices. Ask a Canadian about prices. Yea Biden diddnt do that.

[@lylemata6672]

The president does influence prices, all of politics does.

[@go_guerrero]

"Trump as a champion of traditional manhood" made me laugh

[@CMTZ11]

What about him is traditionally feminine?

[@go_guerrero]

@@CMTZ11 Nothing, but that does not make him traditionally masculine

[@BruinPhD2009]

@@go_guerrero He barely qualifies as traditionally human. Or humane.

[@Window4503]

@@BruinPhD2009More like he demonstrates the corruption humanity is capable of.

[@AuntSteve]

@@CMTZ11 I bet you're the kind of person who when someone says "I like McDonalds" you reply with "Why do you hate Burger King?"

[@EmberAwoken]

How any person could think a crooked billionaire will help them afford meals, house or cars is INSANE.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

And Kamala is better? I don't believe that. She laughs at everything.

[@thefruch7588]

I think they buy into the bs and because a lot of times you’re ignorant when you’re young because you have so little life experience you’re easily manipulated into believing others are the problem. They buy into the being left behind and being replaced idea

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

@thefruch7588 Well if you saw the migrant cities you might buy that.

[@Azuraerae]

That was my entire thought process during that bit. It's like, yeah, I get it. You guys are getting absolutely shat on everywhere, I can't even deny it a tiny bit, and I try to help my fair share of them whenever I can but do you guys think Trump will be the one helping you? Democrats work for the wellbeing of anyone who does not do harm... That includes men, even if the tide of the world make that point tacit despite the obvious reality that it absolutely should be explicit - no group deserves to be forgotten. I don't know if I stand for much, but I'm here for you, guys 💜 - A gal who just wants everyone's lives to be a bit less ruthless

[@CMTZ11]

If you want those things, just cross the border illegally and this regime will give you more than they give their own citizens.

[@julesreview7090]

I need a new "One day we will all be skeletons" PJ pants!! My current pair is more holes than pants 😂😂

[@pulsefel9210]

It's funny hearing the list of things guys are worried about like being able to afford food and doctor visits, while they support the side that specifically makes those harder by funneling money away from the poor.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Like BOTH?

[@pulsefel9210]

@@A_KZbin_Commenter my entire life has been Dems try and put into place things to help the general public, republicans make the rich richer in the hope they invest it to the people and not their stock portfolio. And since 99 percent of rich people money is untaxable stocks, I wonder why that's never worked.

[@hoffman5982]

You think voting blue would help with that? You genuinely think that?

[@chase-warwick]

Gen Z men are not significantly more conservative than any prior generation. All that the graph suggests is that Gen Z women are significantly more likely to vote democrat than any prior generation. Men have consistently been +10 Women are fairly consistently around the -20 mark but with massive spread due to Gen X voting more conservative and Gen Z voting significantly more democrat.

[@pulsefel9210]

@@hoffman5982 all depends on the person, I don't choose a color. The fact it's that easy shouldn't be a thing.

[@MVendrick]

As someone who is a part of Gen Z as a biracial man, I can understand the sentiment that men feel overlooked, but I still am someone who is democratic because of the feeling that my life as a whole means more than just a paycheck with the left than the right. I also believe in what the party stands for more than what the right side of the political spectrum has been pushing during these past 4-5 years. I don't want to be apart of a country that has someone who deliberately makes racist remarks and tries to get rid of some of the safeguards that are in place to make sure that average Americans can get the support they need.

[@PeripheralVisionary.]

The biggest mistake many feminist make is the idea that most men benefit from patriarchy. This is not true for a majority of men. We suffer from patriarchy, and have a vested interest in dismantling this. This is what intersectionality is. Intersectionality is more than an individual and their identities, it is finding solidarity with various movements. The LGBT and feminism go hand in hand because they both have a shared enemy, and quite frankly so do men and women. We are not disparate groups, our struggles are very much the same.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

19th amendment is overrated

[@maple6124]

@@PeripheralVisionary. "many feminist" it's a relatively small portion honestly. the problem is that rage bait spreads like a wildfire and tends to highlight the worst of every group rather than focusing on the whole.

[@PeripheralVisionary.]

@@maple6124 Apologies if this is too blunt, but...simply saying one is a feminist does not mean one is a good feminist. **We all** have our racial blind spots, just as we do with regards to gender, to sex, to nationality and so forth. **None** of us have access to the full gamut of the human experience. I want to emphasize this because simply saying one is intersectional does not mean one is actually intersectional. White women often do not completely understand black women, women may often fail to understand men as much as men fail to understand women. This is nothing new, nor do I mean to focus on the "angry minority" that you are referring to. Everyone is limited by their experiences and their biases just as much as they empowered by them. Intersectionality is a challenging prospect to really consider and put into practice, and truthfully something we desperately need more of.

[@Thromnabular]

You're under the very false notion that the democratic party is somehow the "good" guys. You're falling for propaganda. You're also literally on the side of the establishment

[@Mainlymundane]

Whoever thought the Boeing space capsule wouldn’t fail doesn’t know Boeing lol

[@Mainlymundane]

@Joseph44144 Anyone have any anti bot bat spray?

[@KnightGlint]

I know Boeing enough to know that the way they run the commercial aircraft division is not the same as the military and space divisions. Don't forget Space X and NASA have had their fair share of rocket problems.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

Boeing is PERFECT. Show me the proof that they messed up before

[@TetraSky]

@@Dave_of_Mordor Bruh. You're either a bot or you're not exposing your sarcasm well enough online to be saying that.

[@Cutthecamerasdeadass1899]

You don't know that BOEING HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF NASA'S SPACE TRANSPORTATION 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@colbycummings9421]

I really hope we get another debate. We all could use another comedy special 😂

[@valeriekrienke8461]

Young men and boys could definitely benefit from positive male role models who go out of their way to be those role models. When you played sports as a kid your coach would teach you sportsmanship and to say good game. Go play an online game with those same kids, theyre hurling slurs like theres a fire sale on them.

[@stephanijustice1682]

I have 3 kids. My oldest son is 23 with special needs who lives with his boyfriend next to us. My second son is 21 and has military plans in his future. My daughter just graduated high school and just started her first year of college in welding. All three are voting (one for the first time) for Kamala. They all recoil at Trump. And damn, this generation PAYS ATTENTION to politics 😮 They come to ME talking about stuff😂 We disagree on A LOT, but im glad they are so tuned in to their country❤

[@thefruch7588]

The internet whilst terrible a lot of times has given us a lot of information to make good arguments and to learn.

[@hec547]

Wonder what propaganda will make them vote for Kamala, the woman literally has no policies

[@ShinyMew151]

Your 23 years old is gay and special? What the hell where you doing when you were pregnant with him?!?

[@sumiix]

Sad they're voting for kamala

[@thefruch7588]

@@sumiix no that’s a good thing for humanity

[@mikelj135]

Seeing Donald Trump as "manhood" is wild to me.

[@iPancake3]

Especially that Trump supporter from Georgia worrying about surviving instead of living. Like literally EVERYONE has those concerns, how tf does voting for Trump specifically help men here?

[@justinholliday4105]

@@iPancake3 well you're a female you wouldnt get it same with mike

[@realcripryan5376]

Yeah cause kamala and walz really speak to me when they talk about how they want tampons in mens bathrooms

[@daphnebabcock1151]

I know. Who would want to be around that 24/7

[@Patrickisat]

​@@arstotzkanatthedmz4486the thing that confuses me about "voting for Trump because I don't feel scene and I want to live not just survive. I want to be the bread winner." With Trump not really having anything but the old song and dance of "the foreign guy is taking 'YOUR' job." And building a wall and crying about "the medias so mean to me, I'm a billionaire why are they mean to me? They are all fake and the worst people and liars and meanies doodoo heads." That's no policy, it a nothing burger. Drain the swamp, build the wall, media mean me good... That's all he has and Project 2025 I guess that's "we're going back to white Christian nation run by men." That's not good. While Dems saying they'll fight against price fixing, and better workers rights is something that should be seen as good for young men... But because they don't say "we're doing this for young men" it's not for them? It won't help you be a bread winner and be able to raise a family? That's critical thinking skills/entitlement. While JD Vance and Trump are saying things like "yeah we want employers to pay it's staff what they are valued at." Sounds good... Until you realize employers pay you the least amount possible while giving CEO's stock options and bonuses...

[@rachel5399]

The idea that some men are "worried about the masculine roles, like supporting a family," when a family can barely be supported by TWO incomes anymore, is hilarious.

[@reygutierrez9412]

A family can barely be supported by 2 incomes. Yeah you’re right so what don’t you understand about men being worried about that?

[@TheHippoKingz]

@@reygutierrez9412 dont bother trying to explain, these types of people aren't possibly smart enough to put their feet in other people's shoes

[@christopherperkins8948]

As a gen z male, donald trump is not the poster child of manhood. Some of us who had good parents know this.

[@cameronfield4617]

Preach

[@Lunatic5306]

Yea! James Charles represents us gen z’ers

[@dylancoykendall554]

@@Lunatic5306 Maybe you...

[@MaddMo0n]

He's a poster man-child

[@successfuljourney6703]

He's nota nice person but he might be the lesser of two evils. Kamala is not going to do anything after election that she's not capable of now. Biden won't resign so Trump can't use Executive Orders against her. Biden could implement all of that NOW. But won't.

[@defensivepotato1998]

I think the slow process of legislation against ai is such a disconnect between the government and their age. It’s ridiculous how much harm can accumulate before we can even set a precedent in court.

[@chrisk5985]

I bet if people started making widespread ai images of the congressmen in gay porn then they'd start doing something about it. Not saying people should do that, just saying that they would probably care more if it personally affected them.

[@samhainnc9416]

@@chrisk5985 But politicians don't like to fix problems because they can't use them for votes later on. If they fix too much then they may actually have to more good to help the people then just pad their pockets. They do just enough to say they are trying and blame what wasn't fixed on the other side fighting them. That way next election they can make promises for votes.

[@chase-warwick]

The problem is closer to why torrenting is so prevalent despite the fact that it's illegal. Making laws is unlikely to deter this activity since it can be done completely anonymously by anyone with a current generation GPU and a bit of time.

[@a0me]

Making inappropriate changes or creating inappropriate images has been around for centuries, and afaik the only cases where it's been legally challenged have been on copyright grounds. It's become more common these days because the tools have evolved to the point where almost anyone can create such images, but I think it's going to be very difficult to ban image editing tools without turning into some kind of dystopian scenario.

[@WummerBummer]

​@@chrisk5985They would just find some way to punish that person specifically and never fix anything.n

[@Londy808]

As a Gen Z man, I kind of want to see the ethnic demographics of our generation who lean towards Trump. I’m Asian American and grew up with the toxic masculinity that I initially took in as a kid. In high school, I learned the reality of how society is messed up and that it’s okay to break out from the “norm.” But being from Hawai’i and being Asian American allowed me to make the choice to be more Democratic leaning than Republican leaning

[@Moon_x_sun]

I thought the same. Bc i thought it was going to be mostly White guys with maybe some from other ethnic backgrounds as Well but not as represented

[@merlin5662]

@@Moon_x_sun i am not from america, but i would be considered white, but in matter of fact i would be considered a miniority where i live, but i don't see myself as a miniority, i see myself as.... myself. as a serbian australian, i live in upper middle class that have many opportunities that i can't take advantage of, but that doesn't mean i wasn't bulled and discriminated for my ethnicity. people in america don't really understand that "white" is a abstract term, people who are either french, german or english are treated the same as "white" but have very different cultures. you aren't define by your labels but be proud who you are.

[@Thromnabular]

Why would any man prefer to vote for feminism and socialism over capitalism and traditional values?

[@milo867]

Why do liberals always make it about race smh.

[@Londy808]

@@merlin5662 in America, “white” is a blanket term like you said. In my experience, if you ask someone what ethnicity they are, they would say their heritage like Italian American, German American, and so on. Caucasian people who use “white”, “yellow”, and “black” generalize a lot. We do recognize the different cultural values but in the current state of America, it’s mainly about skin color. Going back to your ethncity, if you were to tell me you are Servian Australian, then I would rather remember that than your skin color.

[@ijustwantcake532]

Something I’ve noticed as a woman is that the traditional forms of male mentorship have kind of been left in the dust while the girls have been working HARD networking and building support for each other. We fought hard while battling the patriarchy, internalized misogyny, and matrixes of oppression to get the spaces we have today. And we older women still fight hard to keep them for the girls. And it’s ok that men don’t get to go into these spaces because they’re not dealing with the same issues. Tradwife content isn’t targeting them. The responsibility of male mentorship falls to older men, but they seem to prefer creating spaces for themselves instead of their sons. Yet they also expect their boys to be as successful as them somehow??? It’s nuts. So the boys get all the toxicity of the patriarchy without most of the “perks.” There is a real need for guidance and support in young men as economic pressures impact gender roles. But with no- or few- decent men to meet it, it becomes the perfect opportunity for indecent men to exploit & weaponize them. Their messaging is appealing because it’s built off of what they’ve already been taught- the patriarchy. There’s no need to deconstruct their worldview, which is hard and painful and requires a fuckton of support (which they’re not getting). My hope is that decent men will recognize this issue and step up. Which will likely mean reading up on how to mentor men.

[@Arthera0]

Dont forget that a major thing is that the left at least according to image on social media made white men their enemy. They are considered evil and the oppressors while the stats tell another story. I would vote for the side that didnt make me an enemy.

[@CrystalSkyDrops175]

It’s insane to expect any young women to look at Trump and think yup this is the type of man I would want my future husband to emulate.

[@hoffman5982]

That.... that's not why you should choose to vote on who you're voting on wtf?

[@Zetirix]

It's insane to expect any young person to deny history and think Harris gives two pennies about the population at large. Her favorite word until 2023 was "equity." Ensuring now matter what you earned with your own back didn't belong to you so long as there were others judged to be "under" you.

[@rampagegamingg8434]

​@@hoffman5982tell us you didnt watch the segment..... itvwas literally all about trump being a role model for young men who feel left behind by left wing policies. They view Trump as a sign of traditional masculinity and since so many are fatherless, like so many kids in america, its the only choice they have to emulate as a man.

[@jedahn]

@@rampagegamingg8434 But the article its based on was garbage.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

@@jedahn Where's your proof of that? Methinks you made it up.

[@blackday1013]

Politics aside, it sounds really funny to have "young men" nostalgic for traditional gender roles when for the most part, they never lived through most of those gender roles.

[@casf120]

It’s not that funny (not that it’s offensive to say, but not weird). It’s why people feel a sense of nostalgia when they see nature or tribal lifestyles in movies even if they’ve never lived it. Human nature is human nature.

[@adntigger71015]

Not really, because they have heard what it was like years ago, and they want that. In a traditional gender role where men worked and the women stayed home, that meant the woman was financially dependent on the man. This ultimately meant more control over said woman. And the longer it goes on, the less the woman's prospects of being able to successfully enter the workforce and earn for herself become. As such, she is less likely to leave said man. Etc. So, it's all about control.

[@merlin5662]

i mean, what else do they have? men are in crisis and reverting back to what worked best bc its quite simply "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[@Thromnabular]

Nostalgia as in they want it but dont have it and they see that thing was widely available in the past. There's literally nothing wrong with it and it would make everyone happier

[@milo867]

@@adntigger71015or maybe they want to have a family and stay married till there deaths like our grandparents did I don’t understand this demonisation of traditional gender roles I understand there were bad things but there was also positives and a greater focus on family values which is what I think most of that generation want.

[@danielw8776]

I can't stand Hasan but I agree with him that conservatives are EVERYWHERE that men are interested in and preying on their vulnerabilities. Additionally, left leaning people/spaces are horrendously bad at communicating with and appealing to men to the point that the best cases pretty much just ignore them completely. I'm involved in a lot of left leaning places and most are downright hostile to men just for existing. Meanwhile conservative messaging is all completely geared to appealing to men and making them think they're superior etc etc. Leftists need to do better at communicating with men because antagonizing any group of people is definitely not going to move any to your side.

[@nugglife3035]

Hasan is a fool. It's really this simple... The right talks to young men, and the left doesn't. Voices on the left have told young men, especially young white men, that they are the biggest problem in the world for their entire lives. Shoe0nhead has some videos on this subject (the male loneliness epidemic) that are worth watching.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

You can blame the left wing for this. I'm not a red piller AT ALL, but why are we surprised that when the left does nothing to understand male issues, they instead go towards the right etc because they're the only ones willing to fight for them.

[@SoundsOfTheWild3]

If you look at the graphs, its not that men are becoming rapidly conservative its more like young women are becoming very left. This is pretty common in most of the other countries too. Men's line only changes slightly while women's have a massive jump left. The only country I saw where the gap is being fueled by young men becoming massively conservative is South Korea, but not sure how accurate the data is for SK.

[@SoundsOfTheWild3]

If anything republicans should be concern about how left young women have gotten. Not sure they will get another massive drop like in the late 70s where women shifted heavily to the right. If anything I think once the baby boomers are gone the republican party of the future might end up dropping pro-life, and anti-same-sex marriage for survivability.

[@christopherperkins8948]

​​@@SoundsOfTheWild3show me the republican policies against women and then show me the data. You are so clearly a bot I had someone else say your comment near word for word

[@DarkKnightGenesis_]

The ban on ai is a band aid that doesn't solve anything. Children should not be having explicit content sent to them, and the easiest way to prevent that is to not allow children onto the platforms. Is it fair to the kid? No, but it will be best for them in the long run.

[@quickpawmaud]

I definitely think it is a messaging issue of the democratic party. I am a 25 year old man and follow politics a lot more than most people my age. People don't really care about policy or what things are actually being done. They care about optics and messaging. For some reason the left has completely abandoned appealing to young men and the right has focused on them a ton. Even though I find it laughable someone would say they are voting for Trump because they want to be able to afford to go to the doctor it is very common for people to think Republicans are better on economic issues even though there is no evidence for that. A ton of people my age are deep into conspiracies and propaganda. The left very regularly attacks young men so I can understand them falling for the propaganda of the right.

[@DONTworryIgotTHIS]

I don't think it's that complicated. One side says you suck, the other side says you don't. Pretty sure most people would pick option B.

[@jedahn]

The left is driving men away. Don't make it more complicated than it has to be. Misandry exists.

[@wiggibow]

​@@DONTworryIgotTHIS that's... like exactly what they explained

[@quickpawmaud]

@@DONTworryIgotTHIS except it is not that at all. Plenty of people on the left do talk about men's issues like Destiny for example. I also have never heard a Democrat politician say men suck a single time. They just don't do much to appeal to them specifically. Which I think is a mistake.

[@Zoltan1251]

@@quickpawmaud They might not specifically but constant talk about "white men" being behind every issue is not really saying that men dont suck, actually opposite. Also thats not the most important thing. The most important is perception. How about "Men vs Bear" thing. Majority of men are normal dudes and dads, yet women have a feeling that given a chance any man would grape them? So, dont get caught on technicalities, its the general perception that you have to fight. Same thing happens with immigrants. Not in US because Trump is pretty blunt but in Europe they never say immigrant are criminals but something along the lines that where there are problems there are migrants and leave it up to you to fill the blanks.

[@just2lovable]

As a mother it’s important to me that my son understands what is at stake when he votes, we have regular conversations on political policies and how they affect our country. He’s 16 and fully aware that when he votes it needs to be with those he cares about in mind. Think of the most vulnerable person you know and vote in their interest is our family motto at the voting booth.

[@regulatorjohnson.]

I disagree 100%. Everyone should vote as selfishly as possible. Majority wins. Thats how the most people benefit.

[@onceuponamelody]

I agree. I am disabled, and I think of other people like me and those who have it harder (POC, immigrants, etc.) when I vote. Besides, anyone can become disabled at anytime - voting against social safety nets is an L move for everyone.

[@Thromnabular]

Or you could think about the future of the country as a whole and vote for whatever ensures it's security and prosperity and not thinking about minorities and using your feelings on how to vote

[@Thromnabular]

@@regulatorjohnson. Its not selfish to vote for things that benefit everyone including yourself. The country being stronger and all its citizens being enriched and free is a good thing that you can vote for while also keeping your own self interests in mind

[@thelastspartanS117]

@@regulatorjohnson. Selfish, and aggressive tactics D O N O T W O R K. Vote with a conscience. If you can do nothing but think of yourself, life will suck. Because youll be isolating yourself. We are not a solitary species. We NEED our fellow humans to live, and forcing others to bend to your desires is how we got into this mess. Learn empathy immediately or youre going to have a very hard life.

[@replicatv1463]

"just to steal your attention" sir with those guns I'm still frozen

[@AdrianFlipflop]

Yeah going from professional suit and tie to this without any in-between is insane

[@gothamsangel]

I came for the news, stayed for the news, and because of the gun show.

[@TheFitnessMarshall]

Phil in a tank 💪💪💪

[@proy3]

If the first debate happens, the Trump campaign will never agree to a second. All Kamala Harris needs to do is speak in full, coherent sentences and Donald Trump will Joe Biden himself and nobody will be ballsy enough to demand he step aside. He didn't win the first debate. Biden lost it. He didn't perform well, Joe Biden did so poorly that nobody talked about how badly he performed. With Harris, that goes away.

[@lmezy25]

He agreed to 3 already? Your being lied to and too lazy to look that up

[@langlearnkorean8774]

Trump wants more debates but Kamala Harris won't do them, just like she doesn't answer press questions almost ever. Her campaign feels the less you see her the better just like Joe Biden's strategy which is disgusting. It makes it seem like the only reason she agreed to this debate is because the democratic party is rigging it again similar to when Donna Brazile gave questions to Hillary Clinton.

[@TheDealer1228]

@@lmezy25 *You're

[@xxWinterSpacexx]

@@lmezy25lmaooo 3 that will never happen bud. no dates set? look it up and you’ll learn 😂

[@hec547]

Kamala is a worse speaker than Biden… you are so brainwashed

[@MadScientistCinema]

Lookin SWOLE, dude!

[@Maboyer23]

The MOMENT they said the astronauts are staying longer, I knew they’d be coming back on a SpaceX flight lol

[@charityquill4965]

It's so sucky that Boeing and SpaceX are the only options for NASA at the moment. They need people that care about safety over profits

[@Lumberjackman]

Im 28 now and i would say im pretty moderate with my political beliefs but im not ashamed to say even i was swayed when i was 17 from people like tucker carlson and other far right people and back then it was no where near as intense of a sway as it is now. It was only once i hit my 20s i realized how insane they are, so i can understand how alot of young men are leaning more and more to the right especially when no one on the left is talking to them.

[@___chief866]

'one Georgia voter planning on going for trump saying "we can't afford to have children, we can barely afford three meals a day... I want to be able to go to the doctor and afford it, I want to be able to own a home, I want to be able to have a car, I want to have a job I enjoy. I want to live, not just survive." And you think trumps going to help that? Boy you are l o s t. He raised your damn taxes for starters, hombre.

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Harris is objectively worse. Trump was gone in 2021.

[@hoffman5982]

You think Harris is going to help that? Boy you are l o s t.

[@YellaBellaReno]

The dissonance truly is astounding, no? Watching people vote against their own interests, knowing there is nothing you can present them with that they will accept as fact…. it’s one of the most frustrating things imaginable. I’m a Georgia voter, and while we have been growing increasingly blue (not just in Atlanta), it is a rigged system. Basically….. we’re gerrymandered half way to hell and back. Here, democrats have to win 59% of the vote to win, while republicans only need 41%. It’s bullshit. Then there is the fact that we make it super easy for literally anyone to get thousands of voters purged, as someone has succeeded in doing to me several times, is heinous. Oh, and the fact that Brian Kemp is still our governor is just criminal. Sigh. It’s tough, but I am hopeful the state will grow to be an even brighter shade of blue this election. 🤞

[@CMTZ11]

Lmao uh yes we do. He was already in office once and we all had more spending power.

[@Sebastian_Terrazas]

@@CMTZ11 And then he allowed the worst labour crisis since 1929 happen under his watch, and did nothing to prevent it. And he also had to bail out the farmers because of how badly his tariffs affected them.

[@reign0599]

I'm a Gen Z man, who does not support Trump, but know many who do, and many who support things like Traditional Catholicism. It has little to do with "Traditional Manhood" and everything to do with feeling undervalued and like things, and life, are pointless and hopeless. Doomer Mindset. The folks I know swing toward Trump and actual traditionalist movements because they see them as promising a break from the status quo, a different path; Not in a "Women will be subservient" way, but in a "Modernity itself is a mistake." That's why many of these folks tend to be sympathetic to women as Phil said, but also very environmentalist. They're basically the Right-Wing version of Hippies. They see things like Stardew Valley and the Shire as the peak of human living.

[@nicolasnamed]

You can see the Shire and Stardew Valley as peak without being misogynistic tho

[@jedahn]

I wonder what drives them away from the left?

[@reign0599]

@@nicolasnamed Oh you can! I didn't mean to imply it was required. Merely that these people idolize those places and settings, rather than ones like "The Handmaids Tale" (Which many, especially the TradCatholics, regard as a dystopia.)

[@ronaldmcswanson5154]

@@reign0599he is generalizing. You are 100% spot on!

[@maxwellrosa21]

I agree. I see it as a response to the circles who use words like "masculine" as if it's a slur. I am very far from conservative, but I can see where many young men can feel they're being attacked. We in left leaning circles are constantly criticizing men as a whole group with no nuance, and young men are just supposed to magically understand "it's not about you" when people make the broad generalizations.

[@timogul]

While obviously the Republican party is bad for men, I do think that the Democratic party needs to not take them for granted. Don't just assume "men are ok" and focus only on improving things for women. Make specific efforts to outreach to men and make sure that they are on the right track.

[@PresidentJackBauer]

But the issue is they have to constantly fight for people that are under direct attack like women, children, minorities, the LGBT community and the elderly. So many states are actively passing laws to hurt these groups you have to specially call them out. I can't remember any law that took away or denied mens rights that didn't apply to everyone else. Idiotic bathroom bills, book banning, abortion and other reproductive rights, old laws that were never addressed that targeted minorities, lack of police reform, vilifying immigrants. Just things the republican party actively does everyday that their mostly male voter base blindly supports

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Neither party is looking out for you.

[@thelastsplash]

How are they only improving things for women? By restoring the rights they had for 50 years that were taken away? We can't even ratify the ERA. I mean, that's insane to me, we can not get 2/3 of Congress to agree that men and women should be constitutionally legal with the same rights and protections...

[@timogul]

@@A_KZbin_Commenter Democrats generally are. They just develop some generational blind spots, trying to fix the problems of five, ten, twenty years ago, and taking a while to realize newer problems.

[@overcastbread7623]

Yeah why would you say that the republican party is bad for men when the democrats villanize men into thinking they're all abusers and have to apologize for being men. Masculinity is the worst thing to them lol

[@miguelsuarez-solis5027]

Young men are left behind. I saw it when I was a kid in the 2000s... multiple women empowerment programs existed and not one for men.

[@GMAceM]

“I want to live, not just survive.” I felt that.

[@ArtBusinesswithNess]

Yeah that was a powerful speech. You could feel his struggle. Unfortunately, his solution to that was voting for a millionaire megalomaniac who doesn't care about the little people and has multiple felonies...

[@kristinadefonte]

When you said a social media CEO was arrested I thought ‘Tom from MySpace?’ 😂😂😂

[@ionfalcom1]

oh he sold myspace a LOOONG time ago

[@xtuffcookiex]

You leave our first Myspace friend out of this!

[@rdarkstorm8414]

0:24 when you gonna launch the "sun's out, guns out" tanks that youve been advertising?

[@PhilipDeFranco]

We have blank tanks on site but the one I’m wearing along with most printed tanks are currently sold out. They were more popular than expected. Likely won’t restock until next spring but we’ll be better prepped next time

[@deemon710]

Good on Ortega for dropping Twitter, the world's cesspool app.

[@Kat19760]

Does anyone else wanna find the man who sent a 12 year a picture of his junk? I promise I just want to "talk".

[@scottmacgregor3444]

You can talk, I'll bring the cheese grater.

[@pearshaped9116]

“It feels like men get looked down on” Maybe we get looked down on because we keep doing shit like this?!

[@vastowen4562]

​@Joseph44144consider jumping

[@DeAnthonyForeskin-q3b]

Or the person the made Jenna create a Twitter account at 14

[@TheRunningLeopard]

Me to.

[@cablefeed3738]

While the polling is interesting, I can't understand why the conversation is more on men being more right leaning When that only went from 11% to 13%, and not the massive 10% increase for Harris. Amongst women from 28% to 38%, it's pretty obvious that that's why the gap is so large is the massive female swing, rather than the two point swing from men Especially since no generation has as many democratic males as gen.Z. Don't get me wrong.I'm thankful that people are Trying to take into consideration men's problems more openly. But I feel like the pulling is being a bit overblown.Most of the swing is yong women wanting a women president And saving abortion rights

[@jedahn]

because everything is a mans fault LOLOLOLOL

[@cablefeed3738]

@@jedahn Most things right now are I just feel like it's an overreach in this situation, if you want things to not mostly be man's fault. How about starting with a female president.

[@iggberthumperdink]

Because you have to frame it like "man bad", otherwise it doesn't get attention

[@TheEpicGene15]

I think its framed that way since, for the first time in a while, we are being confronted by very pressing and consequential issues such as the overturning of roe v wade, climate change, how unaffordable it is now to live, war, discrimination, book bans, etc. With such huge issues, it makes sense and is human nature for ppl (both men and women) to move drastically towards a certain political direction to address these issues, which explains why women moved further left (since some of these pressing issues like roe v wade will drastically impact their lives). But how come men arent having the same reaction? To me, thats why this whole thing is male centered; its a genuine curious inquiry, not a demonization of men (tho ppl could use these results to demonize men)

[@danid7454]

From Mormon Phil to Muscle Phil.....i dig it

[@TessaImAMessa]

As someone who is fairly moderate (Strong opinions on both sides of the aisle) I am frustrated with this country. At this point the biggest issue in my mind at the polls is the economy. I’m in my 20s. This 4 year term is going to be huge in terms of where I will be at financially by the time I would be hoping to start a family. I would like to be able to own a home before I’m in my 40s and 50s. At this point even topics I feel strong moral beliefs on I don’t really care about because I’m more worried about not living paycheck to paycheck and incurring tens of thousands of dollars in debt just to afford to live.

[@Silver-plated8]

Where am I when they do these polls! I never get them and I'm in a swing state! Where do I need to go for these polls!

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

Mostly fabricated.

[@vashsunglasses]

You have to answer the phone. Apparently a bunch of spam calls are these polls.

[@michaelhood2109]

You're going to get stopped by airport security with those guns

[@jeffsykes4589]

Did I fall into the twilight zone? Trump wants a muted mic, but Harris doesn't? Last election, Trump spent so much time talking over Biden during Biden s response, that there were empty threats of muting the mic. And the last time Trump debated a female presidential candidate, and, as usual, talked over her, she plowed on, but was described as shrill. That's what I'm worried about the most. If Harris continues talking while Trump is interrupting, she will be cast as the villain

[@KittiesandMilk]

She wants to let him tirade, because every time he does, he makes himself look worse and worse with the personal attacks, and conspiracies about the deep state and migrant crime waves. Trump has been sabotaging his campaign since Biden stepped down, unraveling more and more, let him do it on camera with all the eyes that a presidential debate brings.

[@rauminen4167]

Well she is literally the villain tho. Couldn't gather any support in the only democratic process she participated in to get here, was selected anyway as VP because of racism and bigotry. Couldn't do the job - no surprise there -, anything she was assigned to didn't go anywhere or got significantly worse. Now she's pushed in as an only option replacement so they can keep the money.

[@sarabrenton6364]

​@rauminen4167 those are some cultists ramblings right there

[@Nixomono]

Just wait until you hear her speaking off script. You’ll realize why she was the most unpopular Democratic presidential nominee in 2020.

[@brandonkennedy4160]

@@rauminen4167 please, explain to me policies that vice presidents have implemented in the last several decades. How come this this is conveniently an issue now that your orange overlord is about to lose to someone who actually knows politics?

[@lithiumfrog4628]

There’s definitely a pipeline online that leads young men to more and more extremist redpill ideals, but the point is that it starts from a place of insecurity, weakness, and hurt. A lot of men think they are not allowed to- or shouldn’t - feel vulnerable. The redpill community gives them a group of peers and a reason to dislike those that oppose it. It’s honestly heartbreaking. At the end of the day, a lot of these guys are the way they are because they didn’t feel seen, appreciated, or loved when they needed support.

[@spud1594]

I think the greatest issue surrounding young men and their trend to the far right is a combination of depression and isolation. As a white male myself, I've been compared to oppressors. Told I'm inherently toxic, racist, sexist, violent; but also that I need to provide, that I need to protect, that I can't express emotions. That it's all a part of my DNA. We have a pandemic of loneliness in this country. The school system is brutal: without a solid group of friends, all you have is social media. There is an allure for young men towards far right propaganda as it puts you (as white or just a plain male) first and foremost. Step one of growing a cult is isolating your victims. When your victims are already socially isolated it's easy to control and receive their support. The one thing I learned growing up is that you must approach people with an open mind. You must celebrate your differences and be open to discussion. I cannot imagine falling prey to far right extremism, but I've also been blessed with friends and a very liberal upbringing. I've grown hopeful with the Harris-Walz campaign. I hope for a future we can all celebrate our differences without hate and discrimination. I also hope we can address this pandemic of loneliness brought on by technology and social media.

[@evanhunt1374]

The ortega situation is so sad because it can and does effect everyone. Anyone who wants to make a photo of you doing sexual stuff they just can now. Its beyond time to stop ai porn in all forms.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

It’s truly revealing how morally and ethically bankrupt AI corpos are. This technology wasn’t easy to make, they very explicitly allowed this to happen.

[@Giliver]

What are you on about? The technology was already there all they did was tell it to make porn.​@@garythecyclingnerd6219

[@DixonYamouf]

They're violating our autonomy at every step

[@boslyporshy6553]

​@@garythecyclingnerd6219You blame the AI companies, but this was a thing before AI came to prominence. The tools multiply one's efficiency without a moral compass or limiter.

[@chase-warwick]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 The AI companies aren't the ones making uncensored models, people use the existing models and then train them on materials they want to recreate.

[@chubby_deity3143]

What the hell is Boeing doing with their money if nothing in their company actually works?

[@chosone2]

Giving bonuses to their executives

[@cloudyview]

The executive things, but also it's not much cheaper to do things poorly than to do them right, when dealing with space flight. They likely need a huge cut to middle/upper managerial staff, more engineers, and more external oversight.

[@ParanoiderNutzer]

According to an article from NYU|Stern "Booing" spent 68 billions Dollars since 2010 on stock buybacks and dividends.

[@chubby_deity3143]

@@cloudyview the correct answer was "hiring hitmen", lol

[@CosMik_7]

Phil went from "have you heard of this holy book" to "have you heard of this cool exercise regime called cross-fit" between two vids. 🤣

[@Shatterverse]

If those kids think that Trump is the answer to their man problems of whatever kind, they are sorely mistaken. Either he nor any of his cronies give one flying shit about them.

[@successfuljourney6703]

Nor does Harris, so .................

[@A_YouTube_Commenter]

@@successfuljourney6703 She might be worse. What is she doing NOW? Biden is on vacation and they want your vote FIRST, then they will "work" on it like the "Inflation Reduction Act" that increased inflation.

[@NicheGreens]

Hate to break it to you, but the left has been pretty misandrist for a long time now. The right may not be good, but at least they don't tell men to sit down and be silent.

[@xxWinterSpacexx]

@@successfuljourney6703😂😂 2016 - 2019 the economy was on a downtrend. covid saved trump and he still lost lmaoo

[@arstotzkanatthedmz4486]

People like you are literally the problem. I just wouldn't bother weighing in when you leak garbage like this

[@jb888888888]

I refuse to call that company "SpaceX." I continue to call it "Space Twitter." And I say that as a Generation Twitterer.

[@XerrolAvengerII]

that's relatable

[@babalonkie]

Everything about Ukraine being under attack just reminds me of the circumstances of the Blitz in UK/London... a country holding out alone whilst under attack by a superior foe. And... 19:55 practically a mirror image, of Civilians taking shelter in the subway (Underground).

[@Zei33]

Frankly, the Pandora’s box analogy is accurate for AI. There’s no stopping it so you may as well give up. These programs are open source and can be run and edited by anyone with a brain and a graphics card. Even if you place ‘restrictions’ on these programs, any programmer can edit restrictions out. Patches can easily be released on the dark net. There’s simply no way to stop it. The laws already apply to producing underage images. The problem is enforcement.

[@rorwyk]

ive never been this early. agreed that ai fakes of explicit material needs to be struck and face severe criminal charges. as someone who was bullied, i cant imagine what teens are going through with this stuff out there now. i would never have made it out if that happened to me.

[@stuffystuffsityas6302]

Especially when a random photo can be taken of you at any point in time. The paranoia my younger sister and her friends have after an incident like this happened at her school is incredibly wrong.

[@boslyporshy6553]

A silver lining is that anyone who had any legit nudes or revenge sex related leaks released of them can deny it. Though the creep or encroachment factor is still a cultural problem with mixed messages with reputations.

[@kittehgo]

I read an article that said spacex can't save the astronauts, because their spacesuits aren't compatible with the capsule.

[@srgwarcock]

Also (because I left another comment), if young men went from 11 percent supporting Trump to 13 percent, While women went from 28 supporting Biden, I guess, to 38 supporting Harris, I think maybe this isn't surprising at all that slightly more women are backing female candidates. Also, there was barely an increase in young men supporting Trump. It kind of all feels like a nothingburger. Just making a story out of nothing.

[@MLadyAzzera]

The fact that men make fake AI pics of underage women without consent and then are all shocked Pikachu faced that men are looked down upon is baffling. I feel like they are just pissed off that women are no longer willing to put up with abuse and second class citizenship. This is why I admire the men who stand up for instead of tearing down women. We need a culture shift to be better.

[@Understandable-z2k]

Gen Z dude here. On the Men vs Women. I think the masses look at things too "black and white" whereas the world is really greyscale. Both have valid points but here's the thing. Women have been wronged and treated as less than for a long ass time. I think its great we're making it equal, and bringing justice. I do relate to some other things tho. I don't think these things are necessarily hurting men except for the extreme cases. Just my experience. Whenever I am in public I treat myself as if I were a scary freak, because that is how the public treats me. Not even too ugly, a little bigger with a few piercings, I keep to myself and mind my business at all times; I will not even glance around too much at the store in fear someone will accuse me of staring. But it doesn't stop some women from crossing the street if I'm walking by, screaming in fear (I literally was walking back to my house after a cigarette, didn't even look at her) or accusing me of being weird when I literally am walking past your isle walking and talking to my friend, literally not even looking at you, literally no interaction but still accused. I understand if you misheard and questioned and maybe realized I was speaking to someone else, but to go to an employee and say I'm following you is CRAZY. But that's the thing, I say some because I know not all are like that and may just treat me like a human being. I was SA and abused, neglected by my mother. I have severe anxiety and ptsd, I will run out of a store and hyperventilate. So suffice to say it's an insane stressor on my mind, constant fear when I leave the house. Some men get locked up, jobs lost, lives ruined for being weird, and that's great because those people deserve it. But when every step I take, whether I'm stepping out to smoke or in a store to buy food minding my own business, is a half step away from that then yeah I'm pretty scared. But these things are helping women overall, and gets justice for some who are truly, ruthlessly wronged by our system and society. I'm even afraid of kids, which is kinda sad because the few times Ive had relationships and there were family gatherings(Only child, not a lot of kids in my fam), the fam loved me and said I was great with the kids (Even tho I'm awkward and just go a long with whatever they say, Oh yeah cleaning the pool is a game now? Hell yeah! xD) That said, I understand the desperation in some of these young men clinging to Trump out of fear but that's all it really is, they're willingly ignorant because they've been brainwashed with fear (Okay thats black and white Im a hypocrite and there's other reasons but I think this is the biggest). I hope more can unite under Harris, even if she is left(I am too, just to clear the bias) she is trying to be welcoming to all even MAGA, if they decide to read the facts. Whereas Trump? If you show or speak your word, his comments on security giving you a free trip to the exit is "maybe he should have been roughed up." Harris? Met with a calm "Your voices matter, but I'm talking right now." mixed with LITERALLY SPEAKING TO PROTEST LEADERS. That is a president in my eyes.

[@tonyz8729]

yeah vote for kamala cause she gives me the good vibes and says the kind words what a great leader while trump is evil bad guy i dont like his personality so much for policy

[@breazye9268]

Went from Clark Kent in a suit to Superman in that tank! 🤓🦸‍♂️

[@austinhaider105]

I am a male right on the border of gen Z and millennial. While ultimately misguided, I can understand why there is a pushback from young males against the "rapidly changing gender rolls" and the emergent loathing of traditional masculinity. I was raised right on the cusp of a time where traditional masculinity was still elevated, while simultaneously there was a strong, continuing sentiment that women are (still) not treated as professional equals. I was also the first generation to go through my adolescent life with social media. Let me be the first to say that these discrepancies in gender ideals are only exasperated by social media infrastructure. Even 10 years ago, only the loudest voices "went viral". It is very easy, for young men especially, to become a "disenfranchised" male who is eager for any companionship, and perhaps through personal struggles that everyone goes through, turns to the cringe inducing "alpha male" content on social media to find said companionship. It was already easy for my age group to turn to that, but now imagine you are bombarded by finely tuned algorithms echoing the sentiment. I was so lucky to have role models who elevated women as the equals they are and also very grateful to the many female role models, both personally and professionally, who made me respect insightful opinions regardless of demographic. But imagine you don't have any of that. You are a white male on tiktok with generic interests. Which way is it going to push you? All the algorithms are doing is saying "what content can I show you to keep you on the platform?". For those young men most of it is alpha male bs with a side of tater-tot nonsense. It doesn't really excuse their behavior or co-opted opinions by any means, but I can sympathize with the opacity of what is right to believe. Ultimately any road to significant change will always be detoured by vehement opposition to said change, followed by more change, and so forth. This is to be expected. Best we can do is to continue espousing a utilitarian philosophy that breeds opportunity and success for the greatest number of people. 🤟

[@Culky]

All I'd be thinking about as an astronaut scheduled to fly on a Boeing spacecraft would be "what corners have they cut to save money and fund their executive bonuses?" I'm mostly surprised they got to the ISS in the first place.

[@fishh3ad]

It's frustrating with the ged z political gap because all the stuff men are feeling is valid but thinking Trump or conservative politics in general will fix it is so silly it's borderline delusional

[@brawlybard7014]

Yeah trump is a montrous human being but as hasan has said before, the left does absolutely nothing to appeal to young men. When the message is young "especially white" men to the back of the line, you cant be surprised when many decide to find a different line to join. Unfortunate as it is, unless the left can prove that young mens struggles are even on their radar, they will continue to lose them to the right.

[@Kythrae]

Child acting has always come out as a horrific experience to me. Childhood was already a mess just for me growing up. I had to navigate friendships, trust, and so forth in everyday life but having my life under a microscope and regulated to a job that had longs hours like filming would crush a developing mind. For every positive guardian that makes sure kids can be kids in that environment, the abuse of children who do not always have the authority to say no to adults has become more apparent as time has passed. I am more than happy to see those like Jenna standing up and airing the dirty laundry to make it clear those issues need to be addressed!

[@NidgeDFX]

Imagine an A. I. Donald Trump/Kamala threatening to nuke another country.

[@WisconsinAdventures]

lmao

[@Giliver]

Are you dense? In any circumstance like this it'd be squashed immediately, countries talk to eachother regularly. Lol This is literally a non issue

[@geetikamathur8040]

I wanted to mention that the names are pronounced Barry Wilmore and Sunita Williams for the astronauts.

[@theonlycus5952]

I agree. We are a single income home. My wife is a stay at home mom and it seems like every year it gets harder to keep our heads above water. I take that personal as a man.

[@roguenerdd]

It’s so weird that those guys are saying how they are struggling and that their solution is to force on helping the wealthiest people in the country. Do they support trickle down economics? I guess it will always surprise me that the best way to help yourself is to help rich people get richer who don’t need help. The math just doesn’t math for me.🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Kurouzuri]

Finally! Got here 12 seconds after posting! Going late night shopping while listening to this like a podcast 😅

[@christopherperkins8948]

@@Kurouzuri Have a good shopping trip

[@ElRigs83]

I know that time travel is impossible because I have never seen a 40 year old punch a teenage boy who looks like a 30 year younger version of himself

[@jaredhenderson7756]

Ayy more Phil guns

[@chinchompa]

I'm about as young a millennial as you can get, and I've always felt like I related to zoomers more than my actual generation group. I do think the truth is that the left does not care about men, and young men especially. They're only ever really discussed directly in the context of women's rights in the left, you cannot have a conversation about something that affects predominately men without "but misogyny though" creeping in. I don't blame anyone for it, it's just the nature of disusing real world topics that affect people on a personal level, whatever gender you are. But the implications of this send a signal to young men, and for a lot of men the feeling like they're fundamentally demonized makes their political decisions for them. As long as the default reaction to this phenomena is "young men these days need to step up" rather than "let's try to be more understanding about problems that affect men and/or women equally" I don't think it's gonna get better.

[@1anastudent]

The Jenna Ortega problem is revenge porn and underage porn. Good for her, for speaking out. Better for her, for dropping Twitter

[@jedipsy]

Just another example of specific humans failing other humans but blaming technology instead of those specific humans. We really do suck at taking responsibility for our own actions.

[@michellecalamari9392]

Civil rights aren’t pie, more for others doesn’t mean less for you 😒

[@Rosskles]

Phil 'Mad Guns' DeFranco 😂

[@AngryKittens]

I'm not even "moderately conservative" nor "young" and I don't consume any right-wing media, but I still get bombarded with extreme right videos by the algorithm seemingly at random. It's like KZbin says "hey, you're a guy, you'll probably like Andrew Tate or Ben Shapiro or these bot-made misinfo videos!"

[@YeeyeeToni]

Since I’ve transitioned and have been stagnant in my overwhelming transition searches online (I’m FTM) the INFLUX of right wing advertising is insane. I wanna say not even two. Months after I’ve put M or male as my gender for social media the advertising goes out of its way to be manipulating. Prior I barely got ANY political ads. The ads I got previously where pretty much just temu or sheine. Once my algorithm settled in after I changed the gender marker it was insane. The amount of guilt tripping, fear, and anger put into these ads are genuinely terrifying.

[@greiwer]

PDF is flexing BFGs in this one 😅

[@zolopane117]

I don’t like this acronym for Philly D lmao

[@jdm0521]

I feel like the comments are proving the point of why guys are going for trump.

[@mentosmuncher]

Thats such an unmasculine beta move for Gen Z men. Kind of sad honestly.

[@chriswhipple6568]

Phil I absolutely love all your hoodies but the failure of a sleeveless hoodie so I can still see those absolute FIREARMS in the winter will keep me up at night ❤

[@LactoseintolerantWis]

Man-hating feminism has become the norm. Phrases like "all men are trash" and "we don't need men" are all over mainstream media and wildly accepted, seriously look it up. So it's no shocker that men would want to vote for the party that opposes that. And yes I used to be very liberal but these and other reason are why I'm a centrist now.

[@_nellysunshine]

It’s literally Men telling other Men they suck, but they’ll blame Women???

[@jcflores1774]

Well, when you treat men as villains and a problem, some of them will become so. I was lucky to have a good role model in my dad, so I never fell into the masculinity extremes. Women have suffered a lot, but there should be a way of proping up a gender without bringing the other one down.

[@XanderStoute]

I'm honestly shocked the RFK/Trump news wasn't mentioned. Seems like a pretty big headline.