Versus Series: Darth Zannah Vs. Tholme

My debut of a character that I have long been interested in; the Jedi Spymaster Tholme.

[@thirdwind801]

So even though she was trained in Soresu she still followed the Djem So/Shien philosophy of, quote; "brute force, brute force, brute force, brute force" apparently training is everything Darth Bane was so stuck in his ways, even when he dosen't teach Form V he DOES teach Form V

[@alaaranaranoya1499]

She was a Form V Force User, if that makes sense.

[@lapplandkun9273]

lol yep

[@dazdavis7896]

Stuck in his ways. Lmao. Right…

[@toska8664]

Considering that Zannah learned everything Bane knew, passing Lightning down to all the other Sith Lords of the Future, You have to take the fact that she was able to teach Force Lighting and all the other offensive powers that Bane knew down to her legacy. Just because it was never out-right stated in the books doesn't mean she is incompetent. If this view that so many people believe is true then she would never have challenged Bane in the first place. The whole point was to learn everything the master knows.. She said it herself. Just because Drew Karpyshyn never gave Zannah a scene where she was seen to use offensive powers doesn't mean she can't. Karpyshyn is just a brilliant writer, she was never really written into situations where she needed them. All Force wielders she faces were highly offensive. She was always against fighters like Bane. I don't think Zannah gets the credit she deserves. She knew everything Bane did, that's a fact. That has to be a factor. But it never is.

[@toska8664]

And Shaak Ti was killed by a 17 year old Sub-Sith. Where she had the tactical advantage. And back-up.. Just because the Jedi have peace at heart doesn't mean they are immune to inner darkness. In fact, their lack of affinity for it makes them more inclined to be effected by it. Bane managed to fight it off because he had all this within him and he used his fears and anguish to give him power all the time. The jedi are forced to directly combat it other than harness it. And Illusion doesn't rely on a beings fears.. It delves into the sub-conscious and tears through the ego to make the victim experience the terror that the sub-conscious stores. Everything imaginable is either coerced from a beings own sub-conscious or simply forced upon it. Bane's telepathy was the best there was. And Zannah still got through for a time

[@DeusExMachina10001]

Just because a Sith Master doesn't know how to use a particular power doesn't mean the apprentice can't learn it. After all, Bane knew nothing about Sith Sorcery and admitted to having no talent for it, yet Zannah became an accomplished Sith Sorcerer. He simply provided Zannah with the tools she needed to learn those skills on her own. She challenged Bane because she thought she could defeat him, but she miscalculated. Saying that Zannah was a highly effective offensive duelist when she has never been demonstrated as such is just fanboyism; that argument could extend to anything. Additionally, if she was as effective an offensive fighter as you say she was, why did she not use any of these alleged abilities against Bane? That was most certainly a situation where Karpyshyn could have had Zannah showcase such powers. But that didn't happen. Instead, she won by the skin of her teeth and with an external source of power.

[@zennim125]

DeusExMachina10001 why she didn't show against bane is easy to argue, he is one of the greatest djem so master to ever exist, you know, the style who is build with counter atack in mind, would be the worst call ever zannah try to get the offensive against bane

[@Eltrio2]

Zannah also had Banes Holocron. So, any power she could not use or teach herself, she could defer to that when teaching Cognus. Bane did the same thing regarding Zannah's training in Sith sorcery, giving her lessons straight from Freedon Nadd. If the master cannot aid their apprentice, they'll just throw them at something that'll help them learn. Occams Razor says that Zannah has never been shown electrocuting her foes because she can't.

[@siritachi1137]

I am learning to appreciate the character of Tholme so much. A unique and accomplished Jedi master and an intuitive, sensitive mentor for his padawan Quinlan Vos.

[@TB-to8uy]

Tholme is one of the most unique Jedi from Legend. It's a shame that the new stuff hardly address him.

[@Emperordmb]

I think Zannah's illusions are being severely underrated here. What you have to consider is that Bane is the only one who has successfully overcome Zannah's illusions, and he has some of the best mental feats in all of Star Wars. Bane was easily capable of brushing off Kaan's mind tricks, which were capable of controlling the rest of the order. He forcibly removed the greatest secret in Andeddu’s holocron keeping up an intense focus backed by a lot of willpower for several hours. Andeddu’s holocron as revealed in Legacy, also contains his spirit, so Bane was essentially dominating Andeddu’s spirit for hours while keeping up an intense mental focus and performing a delicate complex procedure. Bane still maintained the mental composure after having his arm severed by a tendril to evoke the complex and difficult ritual of essence transfer. To put this into context, the slight touch of a tendril was far beyond any pain Bane had ever felt before, and Bane was once trapped in a bubble of his own lightning, which was capable of reducing people to ash, meanwhile the orbalisks were burrowing deeper into his body with their teeth while expanding and eventually exploding, releasing a toxin that began to break him down on a molecular level. Keep in mind the whole "Jedi have no fear" argument doesn't hold up either, as Zannah's illusions easily and instantly brought a Jedi Knight to his knees before she reached her peak with this power. If anything, Jedi deal with their emotion by suppressing it, so when their fears are all drawn out in front of them and applied offensively, they'll have a hard time dealing with it. All in all, there are only a handful people who can overcome Zannah's illusions, and Tholme hasn't shown me any mental prowess close enough to Bane's level to convince me that he is one of those people.

[@raicattivo]

Battle meditation

[@lukegreensaber7362]

Thank you very much emperor dumb, i doubt tholme breaks her defenses and gets tired out. Her illusion spells would be be devastating along with a lightsaber decapatation. she would most likey be way to fast for him as well.

[@papawedge7396]

Tholme doesn't supress his emotions as most Jedi, look at his relationship with T'ra Saa, he is perfectly in peace with himself, i don't see him falling for Sith spells, i agree that most Jedi would fall to them, especially younger adepts, but Tholme is an example of mental stability.

[@EvanNova95]

Awesome.

[@starwarfan8342]

Hey Evan- matchup idea- Darth Maul vs Sedriss.

[@Anditeshordo]

StarWarFan how about darth maul vs darth sion

[@KarateTy]

hk858 Darth Sion is on of the most powerful dark lord ever, maul wouldn't be much against him.

[@KarateTy]

Match up idea: Sidious vs Nihilus or Krayt vs Bane

[@sjoerdroos2447]

KarateTy sidious vs nihilus sounds awesome

[@abelfett734]

You should do Mace Windu vs. Darth Malgus. THAT would be a duel to see.

[@erives12345]

Umm Windu stomps very hard.

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

Bruce Lee Not really. Malgus's raw power is on par with, if not greater than Mace Windu's. Mace probably would win, but he wouldn't STOMP Malgus.

[@_Egil]

I actually think Malgus would win.

[@lust4niko-89]

MrVegeta360 he would stomp heavy, vaapad is a HEAVY counter to malgus, it’s not even funny

[@thepriorstone4064]

That would be awesome, considering Malgus *bathes* in the passion of the dark side, giving Windu a big advantage, but not an immediate win

[@aksnv88]

I think you're severely underestimating Zannah here. I think some people are forgetting that she was a Dark Lord of the Sith, not some random acolyte. And her sorcery was powerful. When the battle on Typhon occurred, Zannah was in her twenties and nowhere near her prime. She still managed to hold out against Sarro Xaj, who was a Jedi weapon master and was described to be even larger and physically stronger than Bane. On top of this, Xaj was being amped by battle meditation. As soon as the battle meditation slipped for just the brief moment, Zannah managed to overwhelm Xaj with her sorcery and then kill him with her light saber. Also, there is no way Tholme has a stealth advantage over Zannah. In the previously mentioned battle, Zannah was able to cloak herself and kill Raskta Lsu. She was also able to go into the Jedi temple search the Jedi archives. In a combination of both her sorcery and her stealth, Zannah was able to conceal herself when the Jedi came looking for her at Caleb's hut. This concealment spell was so powerful that it brought Darth Cognus to her knees TEN YEARS LATER when Cognus was trying to use her foresight abilities to detect what had happened there. I don't remember if Set Harth had any inner demons or not, but Zannah's sorcery managed to put him in a coma for three days, and she was toying with him! When she battled Bane, she actually had some control over the lightsaber duel until she tripped over the grave. She showed quite a bit of durability when she was able to continue dueling Bane even though he had crushed her ribs. Bane also struggled heavily to resist Zannah's sorcery. Even though he was successful, I think people forget that he's Darth freaking Bane. Not just anyone can defend themselves against Zannah's sorcery. I do agree though, that most likely her tendrils are only possible on Ambria or some other dark side nexus. This next part is speculation, but I do not believe Zannah was even at her prime at the end of DoE. As you said, she has shown very little dark side degradation. I think she would have picked up Sith Lightning and other "normal" Sith abilities before being challenged by Cognus. Overall, I think Zannah, being a worthy member of the Order of the Sith Lords, outclasses Tholme by a large margin.

[@TinyTorah]

I completely agree with your assessment. Shame it seems like I'm the only one who's read what you said.

[@TheLoreMasterYT]

Another awesome VS's, could you do General Krell vs General Grievous next? Also to everyone else, I started my channel a few months ago and started making videos related to the Star Wars universe. On my channel I have videos such as "Can Jedi Fly Using The Force?", "Top Ten Star Wars Land Battles", "Clone Wars Timeline", "At-At vs At-Te", "All Clone Armor Phases" and many more! Please check them out if you could. BTW I'm still improving with each new video, any tips would be greatly appreciated! And as always, may the force be with you!

[@estevanruiz8735]

A couple things about zannah: 1.bane and her had both tried but had faile to use ambria's nexus as the jedi had trapped it 2. zannah had excellent environmental awareness as she showed when atching banes battle against a jedi while fighting her own, she tripped on ambria because all of her attention had to go to fighting bane in a straight up lightsaber fight(and until she tripped, was only giving ground, which she could have done for a while) and maintaining the dark side tendrils

[@WanderingRagabond]

I think Bane made a huge mistake in teaching Zannah to be a sorceress with a shield. Her body size and build would NOT be that huge of a factor considering how much the Force augments someone's physical attributes. We need to look no further than Yoda to see that being small doesn't mean you have to stay out of the fray. Sure, it might be counterproductive to teach Zannah the Djem So style, which is more geared for duelists that are already naturally big and imposing, but there is NOTHING stopping her from specializing in any other style. An offensive and agile form like Ataru or Juyo would perfectly allow her to bring the power of the dark side to bear without relying entirely on Sith spells. Also, WHAT THE HELL IS UP with Zannah's repertoire of Force abilities? I have never heard of a single Sith that fits into the Sorcerer archetype that isn't at least competent with Force lightning. It's especially aggravating when juggernauts like Malgus are perfectly able to use it effectively. And how did Bane not correct her single-minded use of her sorcery? Magic in ANY universe is not meant to be used simply like an elemental superpower, it has to be deliberate, creative and crafty. She basically sacrificed lightsaber offense for the sake of her most powerful ability, and then she squandered it with the completely wrong mindset and applications. Lots of potential, wasted.

[@WanderingRagabond]

***** Well, a mix of writing mistakes and simply the Rule of Two era being in its larval form, I guess...?

[@ardith]

+ThatOneBoss I agree with this point given that we see Yoda as a form IV user and he is incredibly aggressive. I think Bane was handicapping Zannah in this respect. While it's all speculation, I have to think that Darth Zannah, and her apprentice Darth Cognus realized this after Darth Bane's defeat. And ultimately Soresu just doesn't seem like the kind of style that fits a Sith. I think that her prime is actually some time after she defeated Darth Bane. Being the new Dark Lord of the Sith she would need more than just a soresu skillset and so probably picked up some ataru and most certainly some shien to her dueling skillset. As for Juyo, I don't think she'd have practiced a form that sacrificed her absolute defense. Makashi was also a very esoteric form, and to hunt down a teacher of it while having murder on the mind would have been a little silly. So I think it's most likely that she tricked another jedi into teaching her ataru or shien, most likely ataru. The force lightning thing is also pretty difficult to understand given that she's got great talent for sith sorcery, and it seems almost mind boggling she wouldn't have picked up what is pretty much the bread and butter of a sith lord. I think these were just oversights by the author in the end. A shame we'll probably never have any idea what happened outside of what source materials we already have.

[@WanderingRagabond]

Michael Hall Considering her ability to mask her presence in the Force, she could probably pass for a Jedi or a Padawan to get at least some basic training from Jedi and then fill the gaps on her own. I don't think Bane was deliberately handicapping her... Like Jensaarai said in his reply, he probably just taught her one of the styles he KNEW how to teach. But the lack of Force Lightning is still inexcusable, like... oh my god, how even...

[@ardith]

Yeah, I had to do some re-reading on the forms. Fully believe she would probably pick up ataru as a sith lord with only soresu is kind of wtf and not having force lightning is also wtf.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

+Jensaarai1 Agreed, and do you think that may be a reason why in the book of the Sith Bane said a Sith should only learn three lightsaber styles the very ones he himself specialized in? Because of his own lack of familiarity and ability with the other systems?

[@chalpua8802]

Soresu is perfect for Zannah. It was a defense that even the most aggressive users of Lightsaber combat struggled with. I would say she was able to use this style while conserving force power. This way she can also use her force sorcery to kill. Pretty much how she did with her Master.

[@JRGProjects]

You know if Darth Zaanna really is that good looking in her picture with Darth Bane before their duel maybe all Tholme has to do is do what all great Spymasters do. seduce the bad girl to your side. Bond does it all the time and it makes a viable tactic I.e Pussy Galore in Goldfinger.

[@lapplandkun9273]

dude, wtf lol

[@ariesstorm9577]

Could Tholme be a Niman specialist? He seems to adapt in combat situations but never able to defeat skilled swordsmen like Dooku or Sora Bulq.

[@purchase8325]

That's what I said.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Possible. I like to think of Tholme as a stealthier, more flexible Luminara Unduli. Soresu was the bulk of his personal style, with Makashi, Ataru, Niman and most likely Sokkan under the umbrella of Form III. Though Niman was probably the most supplemental style in his arsenal.

[@RoboRoadKill]

Hey Jensaarai, i know you probably get a lot of requests, but i would really appreciate it if you could take my suggestion. I was wondering if in later Versus episodes, you could look over some of the republic commandos vs. other jedi or sith opponents. The republic commandos were some of the most skilled and efficient non force using fighters in the galaxies history, and i thought it would be cool if you could pit them against some jedi or sith.

[@christiandauz3742]

Add some Mandalorians as well!

[@TheSecondVersion]

Or a Bounty Hunter / Clone Trooper / Otherwise Non-Force Sensitive match-up What they lack in the force aspect, they make up for with a more interesting and varied arsenal of skills and equipment

[@Bundeskaiser]

The verdict is surprising. I can't see a way how Tholme should defeat Zannah. Maybe he's the superior tactician but he has nothing to penetrate Zannah's defence. Maybe Zannah's magic doesn't work against Tholme (I thinkt it would be enough to weaken or disctract him!) but in a lightsaber duel she would be able to outlast and kill him because she has the physical advantage. His evasion abilities would also be useless because Zannah's also an expert of evasion so it's nothing new or surprising for her. Superior strategic intelligence isn't enough to win against the hyper defensive Zannah. What you need additionally are strong force powers or lightsaber skills which are enough to break through Zannah's defence. Tholme has neither of them. All he would be able to do against her is trying to trap and defeat her as long as she's unprepared. However: a good job as always. Here are some duels I would like to see: - Bastila Shan vs. Oppo Rancisis (what makes this attractive is that both are maybe the most skilled users of battle meditation of their era) - Sev'rance Tann or Komari Vosa vs. Ahsoka Tano - Agen Kolar vs. Saesee Tiin - Echuu Shen-Jon vs. Desann - Bultar Swan vs. Luminara Unduli - Eeth Koth vs. Darth Maul (Zabrak duel) - Ki-Adi-Mundi vs. Sora Bulq - Pong Krell vs. Savage Opress - Aala Secura vs. Tavion Axmis or Asajj Ventress - Kyle Katarn vs. Marka Ragnos There are much more possible matchups but I would like to see more of the underrated movie or video game Jedi, especially council members.

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

***** How would Marka Ragnos flatten Kyle Katarn? Kyle Katarn is a member of of the New Jedi Order. He even beat Luke Skywalker in a sparing match. Marka Ragnos is an Ancient Sith, and the Ancient Sith are nothing to the Banite and One Sith, without the use of objects, like meditation spheres, boosting their abilities.

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

***** Kyle Katarn beat Luke Skywalker in a sparring match. I think we both can agree that Luke is far better than Marka Ragnos.

[@TinyTorah]

MrVegeta360 "far better?" No. Plus, we know very little of Marka Ragnos' actual abilities. We don't know the fullest extent of his power.

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

TinyTorah Actually he is. We know Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord ever (better than Marka Ragnos), even in 19 BBY, seeing as how the Revenge of the Sith Novel claims it. Sidious had 23 years over the course of the Great Jedi Purge and the Galactic Civil War to gain even more power. If I'm not mistaken Sidious become even more powerful when he transferred himself into his clone bodies. Luke managed to defeat Palpatine in his clone body, and this was before Luke was at his strongest. Considering all this I believe that Luke being far better than Ragnos is true.

[@TinyTorah]

MrVegeta360 Again, "FAR better?" No. Luke barely beat DE Sidious, and arguably only with the help of the Force bond he had with Leia. And we don't know how much more powerful Sidious was than Marka Ragnos, so I don't see it reasonable to say Luke is "far better" than Marka Ragnos. All we can say is that Luke is better than Ragnos. You shouldn't hear anyone arguing that sentiment.

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

Zannah, on the whole, is a great Sith Lord and Star Wars character, but we underestimate her because we only see her in context of versus series. Zannah herself was all too well aware of this, hence why she developed her skills elsewhere, knowing that her small size and slight build were disadvantages in a fight. Zannah herself would never prefer a fight unless it was the only thing left to do

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Pretty much, she was a schemer, and after the skirmish on Tython, and duel on Ambria aside, she operated mostly as a schemer and infiltrator against much weaker opponents than the Ruusan veterans.

[@TheJoker10259]

I have been thinking about Pong Krell, and how you said it is difficult to find a suitable opponent for him... maybe you can do a 3 way duel similar to GreyJedi91's. That way, with Krell being so overwhelming, would kind of even the playing field a bit...?

[@TinyTorah]

I think you put too much weight in "tactical tunnel vision." It's one of the main reasons you came to the conclusion in your Vader vs. Yoda video that Vader would win. Up until now, that was the only video of yours I disagreed with. Yoda is canonically the 2nd most powerful Jedi behind Luke Skywalker, and he was able to match Sidious. I fail to see how Vader would win. You also made the argument that he'd win because of his armor, and that because of Yoda's small frame and thus somewhat weak attacks, Yoda's attacks would be very much nullified by Vader's armor. My simple counter-argument to that is Tsui Choi, basically a lesser version of Yoda, managed to literally disarm Vader in a fight. If Tsui Choi could do that, Yoda could easily do that and more to Vader. The only thing Vader could do that might pose a threat to Yoda would be his mastery of being able to unleash a telekinetic onslaught while simultaneously engaging his opponent with a lightsaber. However I doubt he could employ this tactic against a duelist of Yoda's caliber, as he used it against Luke on Bespin, and Luke then was nowhere near Yoda's level. Essentially Vader would have to focus more on the actual duel, and reasonably wouldn't be able to also use telekinesis so freely as he did against a far less experienced Luke. On Tholme getting the edge as a martial artist, I can understand the reasoning, however Bane was not only a very tactical fighter as well, but also a much better duelist than Tholme, yet Zannah survived Bane (definitely not saying Zannah>Bane though. She only won because she was able to use dark side tendrils due to being empowered by being on Ambria, a darkside force nexus.) While I do agree that being creative in combat and being able to improvise and adapt is quite an advantage, I think you give it slightly too much stock, especially when pitted against greater skill (I would confidently say Zannah is the better duelist). I think ultimately who would get the martial edge would depend upon their environment, and how much Tholme could take advantage of. As you touched on, if the environment is very bland, plain, and force-neutral, I can't see Tholme winning. Because of how dependent on the environment it would be, I would consider this match-up a draw.

[@ChannelStowyn]

I hate to brake your faith in Yoda but Darth Vader would win mainly because of his cybernetic abilities and Yoda's advanced age would have hampered his abilities much and their have been much stronger force users then the Yoda and Luke for instance the Hero of Tython was a near dead even with Luke and Anakin even Anakin was also really close to in force abilities to Luke probably even better. Even some other characters like Exar Kun and Naga Sadow are some of the strongest force users ever they would be able to out class both Luke and Vader in force abilities although Naga Sadow would lose the duel but not by much due to his reliance on arcane powers and not lightsaber attacks or regular force abilities. The powerful force users ever would be the near embodiment's of the force aka 'The Ones" they are the strongest force users ever. So I hate to hurt or offend your knowledge and love for Luke and Yoda but this is knowledge I have collected from multiple sources both prior and upon reading your comment although don't rely on me to much because I could be could be wrong but I think I'm at least 99.3% correct.

[@ChannelStowyn]

Yes, true that is why I said in a battle between Naga Sadow and most modern force users they would win because of Sadow reliance on arcane powers. I'm still positive though that Yoda would lose a duel with Vader mainly because of Vader's cybernetic limns and the pain killers they give off. Yoda would go down because not only do his moves take much out of him but fighting Vader would wipe him clean. During Yoda's and Sidous's duel Yoda doesn't just evenly met Sidous's he wipes him clean if Yoda didn't fall of the senate spire he would have won and if you look closely Sidous's is running scared for most of the duel even in the cut scenes.

[@TinyTorah]

Mason Davis (In response to your first reply) You pretty much are incorrect. Don't think I'm saying Yoda would win because I'm biased toward Yoda or anything. Compared to other Star Wars fans, I'm probably one of the most impartial and unbiased out there. My reasoning for thinking Yoda would win is supported by both logic and reason, and by the fact that Yoda is canonically the 2nd most powerful Jedi behind Luke Skywalker. Anakin/Vader was never stronger than Luke in his prime, contrary to what you apparently believe, and the same goes for The Hero of Tython; he's very powerful, but nothing puts him above Yoda. And I can think of at least 5 Sith, let alone force-users that are more powerful than both Exar Kun and Naga Sadow: Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus, Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane, and Karness Muur. Exar Kun was only able to do much of what he was able to do because of his Sith amulet, which significantly boosted his offensive force capabilities, and Naga Sadow's best feats in the Force were also only achieved while artifacts and things like his ship boosted his power.

[@TinyTorah]

Mason Davis (In response to your 2nd reply) First off, don't know what you mean by, "wiping clean." Secondly, I agree: Yoda PERHAPS would have won his fight against Sidious had he not fallen about 50 feet at least before hitting a metal object, and then finally reaching the floor. However this bolsters MY argument because Sidious>Vader. Vader was said to be about 80% as powerful as Sidious. If Yoda matched Sidious, what would that mean for Vader if Yoda were to go against him? And pure physical strength isn't all that important in a fight. What's far more important is speed, and Yoda beats Vader in that category. And to talk about Yoda's apparent low stamina everyone keeps ragging on him about... from everything we've experienced with Yoda and Star Wars, it seems his exhaustion only kicks in after he's done fighting, much like how adrenaline works with us. He probably doesn't feel the exhaustion while using force valor, but stops using force valor after a fight, which would by why he would then feel the exhaustion from how much energy he exerted.

[@PeterBlack]

I always thought Yoda would win over D Vader myself, but I agree with almost every other video

[@Moongazer95x]

Qui-gon Jinn vs Rahm Kota !

[@DogoHalibar]

Anyone but me feel Peter Capaldi of Doctor Who could play Tholme in a movie version of the Stark Hyperspace War?

[@christophersandidge8257]

I wish I could like your videos every time I watched them. I love your lightsaber dueling, and martial arts analysis. I'm an enthusiast, and know just enough to be dangerous (to myself) I wouldn't want to mess with the least of these guys. In any of your videos. Great video. Thanks.

[@Zepravity]

Mace Windu VS Count Dooku!

[@AntoineBandele]

I actually did this one on my page if you wanted to take a gander.

[@Zepravity]

Antoine Bandele I'll go take a look right now!

[@ech0six]

The Harry Potter clips were... unexpected.

[@ColArana]

I swear, Zannah gets such a bad rap. Maybe you should try pitting her against another "powerful master, that just can't keep up", Qui Gon Jinn. Both of the two seem to have a horrible win-record in vs matchups, despite the fact that they are both held in extremely high regard in their respective orders.

[@TinyTorah]

I can't see Zannah losing to Qui-Gon. And hasn't Zannah actually won one or two versus? Was it not on Jensaarai's channel?

[@ColArana]

TinyTorah The only fight I've seen Zannah win was the three way fight between her, Asajj Ventress and Darth Talon, and even then it was noted that in the opinion of the reviewer, Zannah was the weakest of the three, but was simply the best suited for that particular situation. I disagree with the outcome of some of Zannah's defeats, but that may be because I'm somewhat biased in her favor. Still, both Zannah and Qui-Gon seem to have developed a terrible track record in these, with Qui-Gon's only win being against his own apprentice after Obi-Wan was so out of practice and old.

[@TinyTorah]

KatakiDoragon Ah. Thanks. I feel Qui-Gon has earned more of his losses though. And I think one of the main reasons Qui-Gon has lost so much in these versus he's not included in his prime because we only know of his capabilities past his prime, much like Yoda, but nowhere near as skilled or powerful.

[@williamsullivan7818]

Mary Christmas, your wish has come true.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Zannah vs Jar Jar Binks, doubt she could lose that one

[@nickchatziioannidis9395]

What about Mace windu vs Exar kun?

[@TTTTCJGKS]

@@thordgensec I disagree with their result I think lool

[@TTTTCJGKS]

Sam Boorstin Uh it depends, Vaapad is only fueled by anger, Kun does not appear to draw on his rage when in saber staff combat & since it's guaranteed he resorts to this, I think Vaapad as trump card is off the table. Also, windu has no answer to the blasts from his amulet, he also can only absorb lightning with his lightsaber so Windu, while he wouldn't be helpless by any stretch, it might be every difficult for him to get a beat on Kun, even with shatter point. What do you think?

[@benerdick_cumberbiatch]

@@TTTTCJGKS I think Mace could dodge the blasts, but he still has a chance of being hit. Unless Mace uses shatter point, he has no answer to Trakata and otherwise wouldn't see Kun's extra blade coming, but I don't think it's a certain if Mace could always make use of the ability. Kun doesn't have an answer to Vapad, his only chance is to beat Windu quickly, otherwise he will draw on more rage as the fight continues, the longer it goes on the more affect Vapad will have and the more likely Mace can use shatter point. Mace is a master of all 7 forms and invented his own. While Kun is a complete master of one form which incorporates elements of 6 forms switching styles fluidly to overwhelm opponents rather than deliberately switching between forms to suit the needs of the moment, anything Kun can do with his single saber Mace can do better since he has mastered all of the 6 forms Kun just uses elements of, Mace can counter anything Kun does with a single saber, however unlike someone like Dooku he isn't measured enough to deal with that extra blade. Ultimately I think Kun would win in the first minute or two, if the fight lasts any longer than that, Mace will win with ease.

[@TTTTCJGKS]

@@benerdick_cumberbiatch Well written counter thoughts. Good job. Cant say i disagree

[@Nenjamonky117]

once again, Zannah did NOT win in her last encounter with Bane. Bane initiated the essence transfer ritual and it is stated in a couple of instances that the ritual was successful. The confusion probably stems from Karpyshyn's cryptic and mysterious writing style, in order to produce suspense.

[@oogbooga1614]

It would be an endless cycle of cat and mouse. Their battlefield awareness is what decides the fight. Zannah's laser focus blocks out all of her surroundings, while Tholme's whole stratedy evolves around using the environment to his advantage. The moment Tholme incorporates the world around him and turns it to his advantage, Zannah will be thrown so far off she'll be saying "I knew I should've taken a right at Albuquerque!" then Tholme lops her head of with a lightsaber.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Nailed it, and LMFAO at the Bugs Bunny reference

[@2centswanted113]

Literally not true as even when battling 2 Jedi under battle meditation as a Sith apprentice, she was using the layout of the temple to keep herself from getting flanked while also watching Banes dual. She very much is aware of her surroundings. She tripped cuz she was using a spell while simultaneously blocking with her blade.

[@oogbooga1614]

@@2centswanted113 I commented this 8 years ago and now somebody showed up… Alright fine: Tholme was touted as an expert duelist while the two Jedi Zannah faught were out of sync since one of them was a terrible light saber fighter. She had to use terror magic in every fight and every dirty trick in the book to even be mediocre with a light saber. That’s Bane’s own words more or less. Tholme isn’t easily manipulated by dark side powers due to his specialized assassin training from some throw away Star Wars mystical old guy I don’t recall and was lauded by Count Dooku as one of the best light saber duelists during the clone wars. Zannah is boned.

[@2centswanted113]

@Oog Booga My comment was in response to you saying Zannah has no battlefield awareness when she is explicitly shown to have that exact thing that's all. Your also not giving her credit as she played them off each other on purpose and stated she could've killed Johun at any point. But not confident she could beat Xaj under battle meditation. She is still an apprentice 10 years out from Dynasty of Evil. But if you're not informed about 1 duelist, why would you comment on her skill? Zannah is a Soresu master. What is wrong with "tricks" cuz Dooku uses tricks as well. She matched all of Banes' offense in their final dual. She stonewalled his Djem So he switched to Makashi and she still kept him at bay. Even on the ground she parried all of his attacks with the blade. Even after her ribs getting broken she was capable of doing a back hand spring and landed perfectly. When she landed she used a thrust on Bane but he didn't pursue because of that possibility, which opened up her Sith spells. Her style is to defend until she can exploit a counter with an attack or spell. It's is shown you need massive force power to break her defense as only Bane and Battle meditated Xaj could do who she compared directly to Bane in physical stats. Tholme does not have that.

[@oogbooga1614]

@@2centswanted113 Hey man, glad you read the Bane trilogy. Read it years ago and listened to the audio books recently which are fantastic. Zannah had a double-sided lightsaber if I recall which greatly increased her ability to defend herself and attack at the same time. Bane wasn’t 100% in their duel and she barely won. Tholme would have knowledge of the double-bladed lightsaber fighting style that catches most Jedi off guard due to the known fact that Darth Maul used one when the Sith re-emerged. So that advantage is negated. Tholme was a character purpose built by the Jedi Council to be the “hey go kill that guy discreetly and don’t die” guy. He is the true antithesis to a dark side user. And by the time of the clone wars the Rule of Two Sith were much stronger than Bane and Zannah since the Rule of Two taught that the Sith got stronger as time went on and they rediscovered old practices and gained power each successive generation through the practice of the apprentice killing the master. Point? Tholme can go Toe to Toe with Dooku the final apprentice before Vader. A much stronger Sith than Zannah if The Rule of Two is to be believed. So even if she has “battle awareness” it won’t matter.

[@Jackaal77]

I think Tholme was a form vi practitioners. Given the way you described his fighting style it would make sense.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Possible. I like to think of Tholme as a stealthier, more flexible Luminara Unduli. Soresu was the bulk of his personal style, with Makashi, Ataru, Niman and most likely Sokan under the umbrella of Form III. Though Niman was probably the most supplemental style in his arsenal.

[@Belgarion9989]

This is one of my favorite match ups, I love Tholme's approach and I think he and Zannah complemented each other quite well!

[@WorstScenarios]

Your next video on Yoda and Obi Wan Kenobi both past their prime it should be. Hmm yes be it should hmm.

[@sonic8005]

This was not only a great introduction to Tholme but also a really good way to demonstrate Darth Zannah for us X3 I like it a lot

[@Shaderaygun]

Little disappointed in the out come, but that's largely because the Bane Trilogy is making Zannah into one of my favorite Sith Lords, while I know next to nothing about Tholme. Also, Darth Bane vs. Vader.

[@TinyTorah]

Right? I've been suggesting Bane vs. Vader for so damn long now.

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

I think Darth Baras would be a better match up for Tholme, though I suppose you would avoid him due to lack of any significant information on his dueling prowess.

[@TinyTorah]

Let's mix it up a little with the Sith ladies. How about including Lady Lumiya? Her unorthodox style (lightwhip? Is that what it's called?) and prowess in the Force allowed her to duel evenly with Luke.

[@mushimushi9706]

Darth Maul vs Sora Bulk, that would be cool to see.

[@vetabeta9890]

Every versus series KZbin's exaggerates zannah's weaknesses and how "easy" it would be to overcome them

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

More like you people overestimate her spells of fear and madness in the same vein as normies overhyped Kylo Ren's Force Stasis/Stun. It can work against non-Force users or opponents with some mental trauma, such as PTSD from the Battles of Ruusan, but not against a calm, collected Jedi Master who specialized in concealment and subversion and has aided another Jedi to combat another Dark Side sorcerer (albeit not as powerful as Zannah).

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Maybe because she isn't this Dark Side goddess, because she has terrible spatial awareness and she's too focused on fighting dumb, overconfident brutes ?

[@DBZ5645]

You know you want to do General Grievous vs Darth Vader.

[@Kolarsa]

I like your reviews. As someone who grew up in a military family and as a martial artist, I have to say you are very thoughtful in your deliverence. I look forward to more videos. I would REALLY like to see one with Palpatine though...

[@teamrocketcircle8067]

Had more respect for Tholme then I read the Darth Bane series. I still go with Tholme but it would have been a close fight

[@antoniodouglas3493]

First off I have to say I love your series, and though sometimes I may not agree with you, Jensaarai 1 always seems to do his research. The only thing that I find unacceptable is the caping on Darth Zannah. First off I need to address your comments on her over specializations. She is a Sith sorceress which by nature preclude a certain set of specialization, i.e lightsaber dueling. Most Sith sorcerers lack a great deal of compentcy in this field, but Zannah has elevated her combative abilities to such a level that they not only match most lightsaber duelist, but complements her Sith sorcery. She was specificly trained to draw out and extend a battle. Something that most duelist are not capable of: Surviving a long intense lightsaber battle. She is minimalistic in her moves, using just enough force to redirect attacks, and waste the opponents energy. Once the opposition is engulfed in an attempt to over come her deffenses they better be prepaired for a little Sith mind terror, and even in the off chance they are strong enough to ressist and and break free, by then your officially screwed. Why? Because while you were wasting your time trying to beat a sorcerer in a light saber duel, she had all the time she needed to conjure Dark Side Tendrils. If you listen to Dynasty Of Evil again she is nowhere near a lake when she uses the dark side tendrils. 9:07:12 to 9:07:52 will state everything you need so you can stop trying to put a cap on Zannah. It actually makes mention to her great mastery over the force for being able to tap into the lakes energy one from so far away, and two for the fact that the Dark Side energy in the lake had been imprisoned there so no one could fully pull on its energies. Zannah Did. I'm just saying.

[@florinherlea8376]

Darth Tenebrous vs Oppo Rancisis

[@wjb-wt6sc]

I haven't even watched this yet but THANK YOU Tholme is one of the most unique characters in the mythos.

[@RockyForce9899]

Darth Zannah vs Luminara Unduli. I want to know who would win they are my fav.

[@Kitkat-986]

knowing tholme, he would likely try to escape the confrontation altogether when he realizes he's outclassed, and outclassed he is. zannah is a powerhouse, and tholme wouldnt stand a chance if she focused more of that power into offense when she is given the opportunity to strike at her opponent. knowing him, she wouldnt likely get that chance, not since she's not particularly aware of her surroundings, but i somehow have difficulty that tholme could successfully kill her under most circumstances.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Or, Tholme would shift it from a head-on duel into a cat and mouse hunt, both using Force cloak, but Tholme is craftier into using the enviroment. So either he would slip out of her sight and escape, or trick her into screw up royally, such as feigning a botched slash only to drop a steel pipe on her with Force pull.

[@lovefrompraha]

Great video by the way. I did not expect that outcome as I have hardly followed Tholme's storyline

[@tenronlightvoid7538]

Darth Bane vs. Darth Malgus would be great. Also Darth Zannah vs. Count Dooku would be pretty cool.

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

Interesting match up. Seems like this contest wasn't so much about power or over-all ability, but rather tactics and cunning.

[@elmotuz]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bane learned the life essence transfer thing and actually became Zannah in the last act of the Dynasty of evil, the end of the battle just the moment when Bane's own body died he did try that. And maybe in some point in future he leaves Zannah as a vessel and have clone made for him and through the millenia he is actually became Snoke? Best Snoke identity theory ever. :D

[@ilovehistory5210]

R.I.P The true Star wars EU

[@tylerlyon8155]

Lucas melo I definitely agree there's no way Tholme could get passed her defense

[@Theoramma]

Perhaps you should do a special on Potentium and/or the Jensarrai and explain to us why you've chosen to name yourself as such. TBH I would most likely be an independent, grey Jedi. I'd try and learn from each side to achieve balance and harmony within myself. I can only assume you have a similar view.

[@TheShadowPersona]

I think Leia vs Attris from the Old Republic would be a pretty close and unique match up. Old Republic vs Extended Galaxy

[@ArikGST]

I`d love to see Kyle Katarn vs. Galen Marek would make for an interesting MatchUp, okay, I am in for ANY Kyle Katarn matches.

[@razesidious9656]

Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Sidious. The former's mere presence would exact a heavy toll on Sidious and quite possibly sap his force energy to a great degree.

[@noahmichael2145]

Love your videos keep up the good work

[@mgvillanmp478]

Superb work that was really cool thank you for all you do as far as these versus series goes its good to see you back looking forward to more!!

[@BW3721]

Nice video, it might be cool to see a 2v2 video of Tholme and Vos vs Qui-Gon and Kenobi. Mace Windu vs Kenobi would be neat too since Windu once expressed that he wasn't sure who was better of the two.

[@Antek2181]

I want to see Darth Krayt vs Sidious :D

[@xRadinox]

MY Poor Little Zannah, i really have to read Rule of Two,

[@hyo3884]

Bastila and Satele would be interesting.

[@Guillotine-Chan]

to be honest i never liked the writers that made bane dislike soresu. i prefer the bane trilogy take on him since he fully acknowledges each form's advantages

[@Guillotine-Chan]

and the ultimate pragmatist :D. Anyway i really liked the match up since well it was definitely something new. Anyway could you consider doing one involving darth caedus :D

[@douglastarbox7640]

Which Jedi did Zannah destroy solely with her illusions, not momentarily distract but reduce them to gibbering, helpless wrecks?

[@douglastarbox7640]

***** So out of all the Jedi she was able to use it to distract one of them, doesn't seem to the end all power some try to make it out to be which is the point you made in the video that some can't seem to grasp.

[@Emperordmb]

Douglas Tarbox Except she improved considerably from Rule of Two to Dynasty of Evil to the point of casually sending Set Harth into a coma with one of her weaker spells.

[@douglastarbox7640]

I sense a Zannah/Sith fan boy having a rage attack, and it is delicious.

[@Emperordmb]

Zannah almost overpowering Bane with her illusions is much much much more than enough to say she'd absolutely shit on Tholme with them.

[@danzosnipes6844]

I wouldn't say that Darth Zannah is over specialized and can't use a lightsaber offensively, I would say that she prefers being smart in combat and waiting the opponent out until they are exhausted or angry. It better not to be a brute strength freak slashing everybody down than to be a defensive fighter who has patience and technique. She is a very good fighter, and she was able to hold off multiple Jedi on the Duel of Tython. Actually, Bane got severely injured, and I would expect the apprentice to get injured, not the master. Also, about her Force Powers, she was a master of Sith Alchemy and was so powerful and experienced with it, she was able to conceal her dark nature and walk into the Jedi Temple and nobody noticed her ( She was only notice by Darvoit because he recognized her).Bane even attempted the use of Sith Sorcery and failed. Her manipulative nature with the force is better than being a force filled freak ( for example, Galen Marek) she was able to drive someone insane! Anyways, lets not throw Zannah's force powers under the bus nor her lightsaber skills, because she is technically the greatest of her era. She was able to kill Darth Bane, a feat that is nearly impossible and resist when he attempted essence transfer. THAT IS POWERFUL WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT! And also, to stand up to Darth Bane after he threatened her as a child is very impressive, so I think in all due respect, you're are downgrading, watering-down, or underrating the true extent of Darth Zannah's power. About her lightsaber, I think its more of an advantage due to her petite size because it has a variety of strikes and combos exclusive to her saber-staff, and it suits her fighting style. So in my opinion, Darth Zannah is underrated when it comes to her attributes.

[@danzosnipes6844]

Also, Are we really going to give Thlome the edge when you stated that she defend against every single attack. Thlome wouldn't be able to resist her force powers after some time of a duel. We all know that the younger, defensive and strong in the force would kill him and Thlome is naturally not a up in your face fighter so he would be killed. To add on to that, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A LIGHTSABER DUELIST NOT BEING CAPABLE TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE. You are describing Zannah as a pure defensive freak, that can't slash a lightsaber at someone. This would be more believable if she was a Jedi, and we might see her as a Jedi pacifist, BUT A SITH WHO CAN"T GO ON THE OFFENSIVE? I look at that as a vampire who cant suck blood. She was trained by an aggressive Sith Lord, so she must have been versed in offensive. It just doesn't make any sense on what you are saying.

[@danzosnipes6844]

Darren Mack I am just posting while watching the video so bear with me, I also just don't get it when you had said, when she gets an injury in combat she just can't keep going! What? Well that contradicts with a lot of things. When she fought Darth Bane, early on, she fell into a pit and Darth Bane broke her ribs, but she kept going.

[@danzosnipes6844]

Darren Mack What do you mean "overspecialized" in her force powers. Just because she has an extensive amount of powers at her disposal doesn't mean she's overspecialized.

[@danzosnipes6844]

Darren Mack Okay, I got to the end, only to find Thlome beating Zannah..... I find that confusing. The Dark Side of the Force has blinded you Jensaarai.

[@devontaelafleur3841]

She has never been observed using anything other than sorcery and stealth in combat

[@BigGoosey69]

A battle of warriors. Darth Bane Vs Mace Windu.

[@ikariyabiollante867]

I think that Tholme may have also utilized Sokan and Niman tactics in his fighting style, as his conduct of "survival's sufficient" fighting style utilizes copious amounts of spacial and situational awareness, and utilizes environmental factors to aid in either victory or survival, a key element of Sokan, and Niman in some cases, as Niman's true value comes not from its hard and fast tenants, but from the mind of the user, whether it be through the Force or more mundane methods, such as capitalizing on the potential of an extra tool of survival and using a chunk f bamboo to fend off Anzati assassins. And this makes sense, as his sorest losses in his track record have occured by the blades of opponents who had the tools to work through Niman with ease, such as Dooku and Sora Bulq having mastery of Makashi, which is particularly strong against Niman's tenants, which would've meant that Tholme wouldn't have really stood a snowball's chance in Hell of winning, though of course, winning doesn't matter to him as much as survival. And now that that's off my chest, I agree wholeheartedly that Tholme is also a practitioner of Makashi, Ataru, and Soresu. This is shown by Obi-Wan Kenobi, who, being well-versed in Sokan, and a master of Soresu and Ataru, shows that those forms fit perfectly with Sokan's tactics. And of course, Dooku did complement Tholme for remaining true to (not exact quote) "the old way of dueling" which of course means he was complementing Tholme for his use of the second Form. And as further backing, I again look back to Tholme's Hall of Fame of Losing, with the sorest losses being against Sora Bulq and Dooku. Sora and Dooku both had more refined practice of Makashi, overwhelming Tholme on that similar territory, and they both had solid understanding of Ataru's tactics, giving them a leg up. And finally, Dooku's preferred Form, Makashi, and Bulq's preferred From, Form 7, are the Forms that have better chance than others at breaking the defenses of Soresu.

[@DanieleMulas-up7np]

Fantastic analysis, why hasn't this comment received upvotes is beyond me. Sokan definetely makes the most sense as one of Tholme's martial disciplines, while Niman was more likely to be a supplement. In some ways, you can say that Tholme was a darker, more flexible version of Luminara Unduli, as their Soresu-based hybrid style share Makashi and Ataru. But while Luminara stayed rigid and textbook and simply added Shien, Tholme went beyond that and had Niman and Sokan.

[@ScottPhx]

I love your videos by far the best on youtube. I was wondering if you would do a video with the very complicated character Darth Nihilus out of all i have seen i think you are the only one that could pull off a versus video using him.

[@joshbeaulieu3787]

Anakin Skywalker vs Starkiller would be really cool

[@Depcanock]

Here's an idea. How about Luke Skywalker after episode 6 vs. Obi Wan in Revenge of the Sith. Also great review. Although your analysis is great I really like it when you show case Jedi and Sith I haven't heard of, 'cause it introduces more characters to light that I and a few others probably didn't know existed. That is probably one of my more favorite parts of videos like this and you did it well.

[@anderjone6004]

One of the things You specialize in, jensaraai, is finding excellent match ups, this was a close fight, well done!

[@AlextheKaijuFan]

Harry Potter, laugh out loud.

[@zennim125]

man you don't like zannah very much do you? you grossly underestimate her force powers and saber style, in my opinion tholme would never be capable of passing trough her defense, she is the quintessential master of soresu sith style, she is eternal, she never have her defense breach for none other than the most brutal strong base fighter, omg she not only could defend herself against bane she won against him, tholm eis not nearly as aggressive and punishing as bane, i can only imagine their fight as a horror movie, where she is the unstoppable monster and tholme the chick, tholme would throw everything in his reach tryng to break her defense, but everything would be useless, she would walk in the hallway while she print his mind with terror using her unique telepathic approach, influencing not his mind but his emotions, making him susceptible to commit errors, tholme training would mean nothing her constant harass and his only increasing fatigue

[@hazemore600]

+Lucas Melo I agree zannah would just outlast him and when he got tired she would use her force abilities

[@camerontripp3841]

+Lucas Melo I disagree, but regardless of my own opinion you have to admit that jensaarai makes a strong argument backed up by many facts and examples, I dont believe she lost due to some sort of hate jensaarai would have for the character, his info is well sited and i believe he was unbiased and that the conclusion is strong.

[@zennim125]

Cameron Tripp tholme is not a true saber master where zannah is, her difficulty against Bane is not a showing of defect on her technique, but a endorsing of bane tactical mind, zannah would win if was not for the explosives on the dungeon. And she is not only more powerful than tholme but she is much more well equiped, tholme don't know nothing about sith sorcery, before he could see what happened he would already be haunted, she would imprint fear with her unique approach to mind trick, he is not as fast as darth bane to be able to blitz zannah and interrupt her from using her force powers, and he is not a good enough duelist to be able to prevent her from using her hand gestures, she is just on another level. zannah could use force blast as a kid, if she didn't develop this power as an adult it would be the greatest of darth bane failures, she is able of performing destructive force ability just like her master (even if not on the scale). Jenseraai grossly underestimate zannah, he don't attribute her with force lightning when she did pass this skill further on on the rule of two, she knows the technique, she doesn't use because she never needed too, she didn't challenge bane with her lightning because she knows how powerful he is, she did the right call, being aware of her limitations. if it was any other third class character jenseraai would extrapolate and attribute zannah with multiple skill that she didn't even have demonstrate, but with this zannah he just dismiss everything that she should know (being disciple of darth bane) just because it wasn't explicit.

[@AllYourBaseRBelong2Us]

I'll have more to say when I am able to craft appropriate responses but until then I would like to say I really enjoyed this analysis. I deeply respect that you chose to assign Tholme's fighting style based on the nature of his character over other considerations and wonder if Niman might also weigh heavily into his swordsmanship? Great job

[@WhorrorMovies]

Darth Malak vs Obi-Wan Kenobi. Give us Malak!

[@Smeeeeeghead]

Great video, all of Jensaarai's videos bring attention to less notable characters like Tholme to people who aren't too familiar with the expanded universe. As well as great estimations on both of their skill levels. I would like to see more of these with unusual characters like General Grievous, Savage Oppress, Zayne Carrick, Darth Sion, and many others. I would also like to see how you feel about the Star wars: The Clone Wars animated series (the new CGI one, not the mini-series from 2003)

[@sirjedisentinel]

In the past, I've recommended versus series involving some of my favorite Jedi and sith -- Depa Billaba, Even Piell, and Cin Drallig to name a few. For a future video, I'm suggesting K'Kruhk... if there's even enough information out there.

[@sirjedisentinel]

***** Cool. How about you do K'Kruhk vs Satele Shan? Unless you still want to do Githany

[@cptndunsel8088]

I would like to see Darth Malgus vs Galen Marek. Though both are very different charachters, i feel they are both power houses and that it could be an interesting battle.

[@Caedus287]

I am a big fan of your versus series and you do an amazing job. I am a fellow Star Wars fan and fan of the force and all it's practitioners. I have seen you make several versus episodes with darth plagueis, one of my favorite sith. I was wondering if you would in the near future make a versus episode putting him up against Luke Skywalker or obiwan kenobi. Thank you very much for your time and your spectacular videos. May the force be with you.

[@biggerbadderbobby]

Main antagonists of the KOTOR series. Darth Malak vs Darth Traya.

[@lambopickle12]

Great work. The scripts you are making for these episodes is definitely improving, and I like the increased integration of video clips that aren't just the CGI trailers for TOR. Keep it up.

[@danmarusan2878]

Am I the only one who thinks that Zannah's lightsaber looks extremely similar to Darth Maul's in direct comparison?

[@Jackaal77]

i after watching this for the second time. His style could have been Niman if not, also. Giving his ability to incorporate force powers into his attacks. Though soresu is a good choice too, although it more likely both. As for the verdict a completely agree it seems that Zannah was heavily influenced by her master when it came to the application of her force powers. I think this is the flaw in the rule of two that he established for the Sith. With only your master there to provide instruction the mentality and Physique of the student should at least be close to if not match. I applaud him for seeing that she was not suited for heavy style of form v, but failed to instruct her when it to other applications.

[@Emperordmb]

Not really. Bane's order had some of the most unique Sith in Galactic history. Even by the end of Bane's reign as Dark Lord, his order already had a vast wealth of knowledge on the Dark Side in the form of libraries and holocrons, providing a vast amount of material to develop one's force abilities from. And in Book of the Sith, Bane also encouraged seeking out groups dedicated to the art of combat for additional training. So there's actually a lot of uniqueness amongst the Banite Sith.

[@madmidget6267]

I'd love to see a matchup with Darth Nihilus. He was a beast and seems incredibly strong. He'd prove a worthy opponent against any jedi or sith in a matchup. Loved this matchup btw!

[@Nephalem2002]

Nihilus was a glass cannon

[@sithmaster4305]

Awesome fight I was hoping it would end this way.

[@alexandergren3223]

Darth Revan vs Meetra Surik/Jedi Exile !

[@erickpuma1202]

Vader vs Zannah or Malgus vs Zannah, would like to see a power house against a total defense master

[@tubamilk1]

Luke, Quinlan Vos, & Caedus would be great! Love the breakdowns bro!

[@thijsoosterman6800]

Do darth bane vs grandmaster yoda or darth vader vs darth bane please.

[@andremartins8521]

I think Pong Krell vs Grevious would be an awesome fight, hmm? 4 lightsabers vs 2 double bladed lightsabers, so much to speculate about, plz do that :)

[@SweetLittleAki]

Darth Talon vs Asajj Ventress. To femme fatale's dueling to the death!

[@justinlafser916]

GreyJedi already did that in a three way duel.

[@Destroyer83]

I believe he said Assaj would win in a 1v1 vs any of the other two, but I believe she gets taken out first.

[@Machowesker17]

Is there anybody who can't beat zannah? I'm starting to feel pity for the poor woman. Also nice video I like the way you used the harry potter scenes to describe your points much like you did in the exar kun vs starkiller video I like it. Keep using that style.

[@Machowesker17]

Which begs the question why bane never trained her to use force augmentation and train her physique to be better. You can be as fragile as crystal but you can't tell me you can't harden your body. Bane to me is a great duelist but not a good teacher. In his place I would've trained zannah to eliminate her physical weakneses or atleast diminishing their impact also soresu is great but you need a counterattack. I believe makashi or niman would have fitted her better that is my opnion though and even though I'm trying hard to keep up I'm not an expert so perhaps there are other options.

[@Machowesker17]

Which, combined with the fact that zannah is already a cunning duelist she would have pretty much turned into a monster duelist.

[@Emperordmb]

Zannah is actually very powerful and could beat a lot of people, Jensaarai1 just horribly underrates her dueling abilities and mind spells.

[@MetazoaOrganan]

Teneb Kel (when he first got on the Dark Council) vs. Tholme would be an interesting match-up: The Hunter vs The Spy. Both tend to use the environment to their advantage, and both have unorthodox styles of combat.

[@jamehannah9025]

Strange, i considered Tholme a dark Jedi until now..

[@shabbacabba]

I'd very much like to see a match up with General Grievous. I'd trust you to pick a worthy opponent for him.

[@shabbacabba]

And now I've thought of one I think is pretty good! Lady of the Sith Lumiya. Her lightwip would be something Grievous had never seen before, and might negate his physical advantages. Maybe. Can't wait to see your next video Jensaarai!

[@stirfried101]

Barriss Offee vs Ashoka Tano? That would be a interesting video I think

[@hamishmarshall7782]

You kind of contradict yourself in the martial training section when you say Zannah was good at fighting multiple opponents then say she had tunnel vision, and again when you say those opponents include Jedi then say she is at a disadvantage against force wielders. You do it again in the force skills saying Zannah is creative and subtle in her use of telepathy, then say she uses her force abilities like blunt instrument.

[@JimmyTurner]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@JimmyTurner]

***** well that shut me up.

[@hamishmarshall7782]

***** So rather than tunnel vision its ignoring, or not taking advantage of the environment. I would call telepathy a combative ability, but I guess thats just me coming up with imaginative uses for my basic skill set.

[@JimmyTurner]

OOOOOOOOOOO

[@hamishmarshall7782]

***** Looks like we are arguing over semantics, I'm going to bough out before someone gets hurt. Good job on on your videos, Any thoughts on adding non Force wielders? Boba Fet Vs. Anakin Skywalker for example.

[@masonwright942]

Can you do some more clone wars era Jedi preferably from the dark horse comics?

[@WyvernDukemon]

QUITE a wonderful vs video. May I suggest Luke Skywalker vs Darth Krayt? They met once but they didnt fight, so I figure it'd be a fun match.

[@mushimushi9706]

I'm the new First Emperor. Neel common seconds!

[@estevanruiz8735]

and jedi are more susceptible to fear because as stated in most books they have a great fear of the dark side and because of how close tholme comes to the dark side he must fear it somewhat more as it brings him closer to the dark side and he obviously struggles with it

[@OrishiBlackMoses]

Satele Shan VS. Yoda maybe hmmmm. Vid's are great man Diggin the way you add scenes from the game or books and movies and have those to sync with your explaining. Very Nice Work . Jana solo if she had went dark, Maybe a what if series Jana vs. Zannah or Leia vs Jana

[@it_me_1412]

He already did Satele Vs. Yoda.

[@OrishiBlackMoses]

Ahhh thx Vitor, I'll look for it

[@had0629]

the one before this 1