Jeremy Jones Pool Instruction - Aiming with English

[@HillbillyIslandLife]

JJ is the most knowledgeable commentator and has yhe best way about him in the box. Kudos JJ and good luck this year bringing home the cup!

[@americannic]

Facts!

[@melvinpough8349]

Jimmy Jones . I'm picking bagging off of someone else's comment on your instructional video it's more to me a clearer sense of understanding of how to use English some people are not aware of that but I paid close attention to it. As these weeks go by I will constantly improve it. Please continue your instructional videos you do

[@HillbillyIslandLife]

@melvinpough8349 good idea. I liked it too. Keep it up JJ

[@justinrutledge6090]

Hillbilly I sure would enjoy it if you ever have any free time to watch my simple break an run.. any advice would be great. Maybe I'll start putting some more videos out there.

[@csgexec]

Finally! This is the second time I’ve watched this video and it finally clicked - to keep the back of the cue centered on the cue ball while applying side spin at the tip. After applying this technique, I began making a lot more shots with the cue ball traveling exactly where I expected. And even if I miss, the contact between the cue and cue ball is much more solid, resulting in better “feel”. Thanks JJ!

[@JD-fx1np]

How? Is this like a front hand English then? Confused

[@floydweeks6103]

Absolutely me as well finally figuring out keeping the butt center. I grew up shooting pool I'm 61 but I never had anybody tell me how to do it so I'm good and I've been watching the videos but this video here was the one that I have been seeking for English. Thank you you're awesome in the way that you explain things because I have issues sometimes so thank you very much. You are appreciated

[@leo_strobist3965]

​@@JD-fx1npI think about it too. As for me - this is very familiar to FHE method

[@mattcaimi]

JJ is the man! I would love to hear @DrDaveBilliards thoughts on this

[@jamesdavis8731]

Absolutely fantastic video and it makes so much sense. I played a lot in the Philippines, and a few years ago I had a Filipino try to teach me this EXACT method of aiming with English. I was not receptive to it at all. In fact, a number of Filipino players that I was playing with were not receptive to it. But it makes so much sense. They key, as Jeremy says, is that you make the adjustment towards the end of getting down on the shot. I just came back from working on this at my local pool hall. It took maybe 10 to 15 shots until I got the hang of it, but once I did it was so much easier! There is not much thought to it. You just do as Jeremy says and stroke through the ball. Now, if you have a bad stroke it is going to be a problem like any shot you try with bad stroke. I highly encourage everyone to try this. I wish I had been more receptive to this a few years ago. As noted by Jeremy, this is not exactly backhand english (BHE) although to many it will appear that way. The back hand does not change from the original aim line.

[@MrMich2012]

Is it not front-hand english?

[@beyondnzt4866]

So therefore it must be-‘slight’-FHE ,, btw, have you practiced TOI? similar in ‘slight/subtle’ but guess it’s a parrallel cue adj. - wondering how compares to this Filipino method ? - also, do you recommend some English for All (most ) shots?

[@jamesdavis8731]

@@MrMich2012 Yes, after practicing this more the past few days I am thinking the same thing. It has to be a slight bit of FHE. It just has to be. The difference is that you do not adjust AFTER you are already down on the shot, you adjust at the FINAL move on getting down on the shot. I am amazed at how well it works. It does take some getting used to, but it works on all sorts of english. Low left, low right, high right, high left. Three oclock english, nine oclock english. I really wish I had paid more attention when I first was introduced to this.

[@jamesdavis8731]

@@beyondnzt4866 Yes, after using this method the last few days it has to be some FHE english. The key, as I have mentioned, is the move to apply the english is made at the very end of getting down on the shot. NOT AFTER you have gotten already down. It is really a subtle adjustment, but it works really well and honestly doesn't take much thought when you really get used to it. Just decide when you are standing up the type of english you want to apply and then apply that english on the final movement when getting down on the shot. I am a practice freak and it only took me about 12 to 15 attempts to really understand the movement. Then in the last three days I have worked on it so it becomes totally natural to me. It is not totally natural as of now, I do have to think about it bit more than normal right now, but it works really well. As for TOI, I really have not tried it much and still don't completely understand it.

[@MrMich2012]

It's basically FHE imo, the only difference would be that normally with FHE you go down on the shot and then pivot your front hand, which can result in rather awkward form of your brigdehand. Whereas the method Jeremy is describing places the hand on the correct spot in its natural bridge form. Not sure if it is the case with the method from the video, FHE is normally not so accurate for shots when you hit the balls hard. Have you tried hitting balls harder with this method?@@jamesdavis8731

[@IOnianStreams]

Yes, this is FHE. I would call it "FHE in the air". FHE is when the back hand is stationary on center and the front hand shifts off center to apply english. The final result of JJ's technique is the same as pivoting with 100% FHE. The front hand is shifted the same regardless of whether you place it on the table at center ball first and then shift it to apply english (a standard FHE pivot with the grip hand stationary), or you shift it to its final off-center position while coming down to the table without moving the grip hand (JJ's technique). The final cue orientation is the same in either case. In short, he's doing an FHE pivot in the air "at the last moment" while coming down. But if JJ's technique is the same as FHE, why does he dislike pivoting? He says it's because, "It's very hard to keep the butt in the center. If I go down with center ball and I pivot to the left, you can see the butt goes to the right." But (pun intended!), when he demonstrates this (5:10), he uses a pure BHE pivot! Of course the butt moves to the right if you make it move it that way using a BHE back hand pivot movement. If instead you use a proper FHE pivot, the back hand will not move and there is no difference between the techniques. In fact, at 6:46 he has a "prover" of his technique where he basically does a reverse FHE pivot to bring the cue back into center line (“pivot back to center”) to show that the shot is still made without english. If using a reverse FHE pivot proves that the english is properly canceled, then using a normal FHE pivot to apply that english in the first place is also proven to be proper. Basically, I think he doesn't like FHE & BHE pivots simply because he learned to shoot without them and has done so for 33 years. And that's fine. Given his level of accomplishment, it clearly works for him. So, I can’t argue with that. As further clarification, when he says, "the butt stays in the center of the cue ball", he means to say "the grip hand stays in the center of the cue ball" on the center-to-ghostball shot line. Indeed, at 7:08 he says, "very important for you to squeeze the back hand and keep it in [center] position." So, I think he's talking about the back grip hand, not the butt of cue. (The back hand is so close to the butt end that it doesn’t matter that much either way.) Again, it's therefore the same as an FHE pivot. I agree with @douglasschultz8215 who said, "Not really proof it holds up for all shots. He should probably watch Dr. Dave's videos regarding this topic." Shot speed, shot distance, amount of cue deflection (natural pivot length), length of bridge (tip to front hand), cue elevation, CIT & SIT throw, cloth characteristics, and especially the quality of your stroke will all affect the success of using this - or any - technique. Dr. Dave discusses all these issues, and I have a couple of videos too. Finally, this is FHE "in the air". This is not BHE. He does an example using parallel english, but parallel english is not FHE or BHE. Those are three different cue orientations. And by mixing those techniques you can get any cue orientation in between.

[@JD-fx1np]

Wow thank you. Still weird and I have to try this. I've tried fhe and bhe for different shots. I've heard fhe is better for longer, full table shots, etc. It's those half table, like the cue is 3 diamonds away from a ball along the rail or close to the rail that is another 2 to 3, 3.5 diamonds away from the pocket and I need low left or low right, where I can screw it up.

[@IOnianStreams]

@@JD-fx1np "I've heard fhe is better for longer, full table shots." That's because of swerve. Swerve manifests itself more with longer shots. Swerve counteracts deflection so you need less aim compensation, and FHE gives exactly that. On shorter, faster shots, swerve doesn't kick in quickly so deflection predominates and you need more aim compensation. BHE gives exactly that, so it works better for short/fast shots (assuming you bridge at your cue's NPL). "It's those half table ... need low left/right where I can screw it up." Yeah, me too! A common and important shot. And not that easy. At "3 diamonds away" you might need a combination of BHE & FHE to get the right aim compensation. And when the OB is close to the rail, throw becomes more of an issue, especially if the OB is "2 to 3.5 diamonds away". To add to the challenge for all the above, cue elevation is a critical -- and often neglected -- factor. Even small increases in cue elevation can increase swerve significantly. In some cases you might need even >100% FHE (which is possible). So it all changes if your cue elevation changes even slightly!

[@justjason2512]

Experienced player of a few years, I do a lot of these things subconsciously based off feel but am revisiting these basics so I can become more consistent and intentional. This is the first comment which both clarified JJ's video, as well as expanded in it. Cheers.

[@justjason2512]

However I will have to look up what fhe or bhe means lol

[@IOnianStreams]

@@justjason2512 Well said! In one sentence you've summed up the two sides of the pivot debate -- do it all by feel, or use intentional pivots to achieve more consistency. I'm in the latter camp, but there's no getting away from the fact that pool is a game of feel.

[@bill8by5]

He perfectly describes the tangential relationship between the cue ball and the object ball. If you watch Efren - and I mean every video you can find - you will see him employ the points made here with absolute perfection.

[@JeezVince]

? Efren almost always aim like he would shoot ultra low bottom, then he applies english on the last stroke (something JJ says he doesnt like here), he shows it in a TAR video with Shane.

[@dennisperry2044]

you are so wrong

[@colincolenso]

Efren used Back Hand English at times, particularly with inside english. JJ is using a kind of approximate form of guessy guessy front hand english, with zero useful explanation of where he is pivoting from. He's basically ball parking it for a common shot range. Go outside this range and he's totally guessing how to aim.

[@h3artbreak3r1994]

this is the best I've been finding for 5 years of play pool.. thank you Jeremy, love you!!

[@husseinakil8415]

Super quality commentary and great knowledge about the game. Matches that you don't comment on taste bland. Please keep what you're doing. You're a great asset to the game, JJ.

[@johns3790]

An excellent explanation! I’ve been searching for something on aiming with English and have watched countless videos. This, by far, is the most useful. Thank you!

[@hoangtuandang3444]

Very useful, Jones. I've been confused about how to apply spin despite watching tons of videos on KZbin, they never get to the point like you do. Thank you so much 👍👍👍

[@gaoutdooradventures]

Excellent info!!! I never once thought about the total MASS of the cue contributing to better and more consistent contact with the CB. I have basically always "parallel" aimed, or PIVOTED, my stick for the type of English I wanted to impart on the ball. I'm about to head straight (get it?.... straight?..... haha... ok, lame joke there, sorry.....) to my pool table to try this out. I don't see how this method CAN'T work and produce more consistency!!!! Thanks J.J.!!!

[@ev-yt2064]

I've tried this for a while since seeing this video. This is the best aiming method I have seen, and I've tried a lot of aiming systems. Thanks.

[@beyondnzt4866]

For ALL shots - or just the ones where English necessary * reason I ask is , I watched and played w group of Indians 🇮🇳 recently whom were phenomenal- after beer the head guy said secret was applying English on EVERY shot - which after time becomes more accurate vs center ball..

[@MikeyD8632]

Very nice to see it explained this way. This has been my method that naturally came to me. I always find my line and adjust as I come down slow on the shot. I've gotten comfortable shooting on the edge of the ball from practicing. This channel has some of the best teaching techniques. Thanks for being great at what you all do. Take care

[@usmc1992usmc]

Wow, i think i finally understand this video completely. Glad i watched it a second time after some months…

[@jdcamc]

Just what I was working on today - my English, but I never could get it to work. Gonna have to try this now! Thanks for sharing!

[@brettmeyer8699]

I've been playing for nearly 40 years, and this is the best tip I've ever heard for aiming with English! Thank you JJ!

[@mikemcelroy6449]

I don't know how many hours I spent watching videos the last few days with the specific question of cue butt location with respect to tip location when applying English. This hit it right on the head. Thank you very very much!

[@rogerkarp2559]

Jeremy Jones....I love you. This really works well for me!!!!!!

[@tonyranold7527]

awesome tip thank you. i always struggle with playing with english and missed most of my long and medium speed shot with the parallel shifting of the cue . this makes so much sense . will try thank you.

[@rjhop]

A really helpful and powerful session, especially for me. Considering that I've stepped away from the game for years several times and adopted some habits that have taken me out of proper form.

[@devonshire56]

Yikes...I'm going to have to pay more attention to my aiming method. I make English adjustments after addressing the cue ball unless I know exactly ahead of time what direction I'm wanting the cue ball to go in then I still make micro adjustments once I get down to aiming. According to JJ I'm doing this wrong and yet I'm a pretty strong player. I'm playing tonight and going to make this adjustment. I think it will be of great benefit as it will force me to slow down and aim all of the cue on the correct plane not just after addressing the cue ball. I have never had any formal instruction and now KZbin is making things more interesting...thanks much JJ always love your commentary and great play.

[@Thebilliardman]

JJ is something special!! Love this Man!!!

[@JeanneEdelman-gr5ox]

Thank you so much for this video! Holding my cue for English is always my issue!

[@terrythomas4407]

Great stuff! I sm just beginning to understand that shooting a round object into another round object is not only about precision but the variety is endless. Thankful for KZbin.

[@vincevita6872]

thank you for this info... looks like a backhand english applied without the pivot.... will try.... Vince

[@NickOfNight]

Thanks JJ…. Excellent pool tips as always.

[@donaldmckinney2862]

Great instruction, great way of explaining a difficult topic

[@jimcapino1667]

I was taught to move whole stick. You just did what I do when I hit it harder. Thank you, maybe I misunderstood the person I was working with. I am going to start practicing with keeping butt of stick center. Thank you

[@poolfool9219]

Best commentator in pool. Thank you Jeremy. Differentiating between front hand and back hand english is a complex mess so this seems to take the adjustments out. The line or groove that you hand makes was a great point. Pivoting after putting down the front hand definitely would be going against the grain slightly to make a weaker slide.

[@IrvineMoonga]

Just tried this technic today it has been really helpful,,,, thanks 👍 and keep more lesson like this coming 🙏💯

[@billenright2788]

BHE/FHE are both great ways to aim with spin and lessen effects of squirt. Cool video.

[@ctdoutdoors]

This video will help me immensely. I was always of the ilk of pivoting for english after I set up for the shot and often times would miss the shot on the object ball. I could usually get position for what I wanted to shoot next but have to give up my turn because of the miss on the object ball. Now I have something to practice the next time I am at the table. Thank you.

[@ronmenninga6502]

You have to watch your stroke when you apply front hand english. You have to stroke it as if you are shooting it with no english aiming at the natural contact point, since the tip is moved off center a bit the cue stroke will be delivered at an angle but the momentum from the stroke will be more towards the ball since that is the direction you are stroking it making the shot work. Hope that makes sense.

[@akquicksilver]

Good stuff from one of the greats!

[@jarrets2292]

Nice tip! Captain! Glad you started your channel

[@bwhite429]

JJ’s voice is so soothing similar to how Bob Ross was. Jeremy starts talking and I nod off 😅. Love to hear him speak.

[@SocietyIsCollapsing]

Definitely going to try this when I hit the hall next.

[@dangoodwin8469]

More great work, Coach JJ. Thank you

[@hawktime]

One of the few videos of this topic that i can agree with. When i'm shooting a really delicate shot with max english needed with the least possible force, i move the whole cue to side i am aiming the cb. Every other shot with english, i shoot like Jeremy teaches here.

[@martinolson761]

Thanks Jeremy. I struggle with this part of my game. I'll try your technique and see how it goes..

[@cueball5858]

Simply the best!

[@richardwillard]

English is how to position the cue ball for the next shot or safe or for avoid scratching, and bending against the rails, period. This is what you should teach and what people want to know. Keeping it simple is best. How cue ball side spin affects the aim of cut shots by contact transfer to object ball explanation is also helpful, but overall good video, thanks.

[@erenozturk5796]

I'm gönn try it. I'm a parallel shifter an yes it includes lots of calculations, but it's pretty reliable. because you can try it in a minute and adjust in a minute. the thing is, JJ is not some on that you can simply ignore. :D I'm gonna write my stats soon! thanks JJ.

[@JerryLee..]

I am a fairly novice player and still struggle with shots and leaves (LOL!). What I learned is that applying FHE vs BHE is something to watch for. Also . . . CIT is a big thing when applying english (side spin). Just my limited experience/struggle sharing.

[@thegodofpez]

Excellent advice, JJ! 👋

[@rolltideroll8250]

Great set of videos!

[@supersam1914]

Pretty encouraging because this is how I aim and I never knew if it was the best way

[@brians.4488]

Someone showed me the pivot move at mickeys in vegas years ago and center pocketed high inside shot first try. I believe the distance to the object ball can change things up with that approach. I'll have to try this method.

[@rolltideroll8250]

I have always parallel shifted, been doing for 30 plus years. It gives you more English applied to the cue ball. As you noted it may cause the ball to be misaimed for someone new, but I just further inside to the inside to the center on a slow shot. I know everyone likes to go 2 or 3 rails and come back to behind the original shot. But I can come back with top inside English off the end rail and be behind the second shot on the rail. I thought you were originally going to specify center ball vs. English for shape. Which bag of worms to address. But you can listen to any match you or Earl does and every the ball is addressed with Englisg

[@shanewatters4967]

Thanks so much. Very helpful.

[@Stephenmarian-d5y]

Jj just wondering what mm tip size do you use? Is it med,soft, or hard? Great video! Thanks

[@bobbycuesroadhouse2204]

Great tips

[@Stephenmarian-d5y]

JJ what size tip do you use on your cuetec shaft? Is there a noticeable difference in deflextion between cuetec and the predator revo shaft. I dont like the sound of the predator. Please answer and thank you

[@tableroll1]

JJ. When you say "center" When coming down for top right english, does center mean center of q ball to center of contact point on object ball?

[@Loc_Nguyen52]

That was an eye-opening lesson to me. Gotta try it cause im literally screwed whenever i put spin on

[@james3339]

I’m definitely going to toy with this. I would’ve liked to have seen the shot performed with more speed to show its consistency as I find that I usually need to compensate for deflection if I want more speed

[@lonniebiz]

Solid Gold. More JJ tips please.

[@1acropilot]

I have been experimenting with BHE pivot at the natural pivot point, and Dr Dave’s BHE/FHE combo and now this method of pure FHE . I am much more successful with the pure FHE method. However, after getting down on the shoot line keeping my back hand in place I my forehand. If we want to call it pivot then it has to pivot at my back hand. I would like to hear from some of the other pros as well just for discussion.

[@ChillinwithCav]

Great tips JJ, keep'em coming!

[@zxzs328]

Great job Jeremy.

[@scruffyleon7383]

Is what you described called "Front Hand English"?

[@prakash.srn.17]

Sounds like back hands English because there is no movement of front hand (bridge hand) to create English + compensate for deflection

[@catasky]

@@prakash.srn.17 Of course there is. He is doing it in th air

[@MisterEDit1]

Great segments

[@riefler0220]

Love it cant wait to give it a go

[@lyingcat9022]

So… is your forearm swinging straight along the aim point?(forcing the tip to kinda swing towards the side of the English adjustment) Or is it swinging straight with the actual stick direction? Having a hard time picturing this technique.

[@ProudAmerican10]

Great lesson

[@tonyl888able]

JJ, after you line up straight to center, can you explain how to realign body/elbow/eyes to the new aiming shot line? Thanks.

[@bicivelo]

Crickets from JJ

[@sultan6353]

thank you Great tips

[@larryn1929]

Holy cow it works! Tried it at lunch time!

[@albertogaleano1310]

Muy bueno para los q saben el inglés. Q BUENO Q SE PUDIERA TRADUCIR AL ESPAÑOL❤😅😅

[@chamueladejo4697]

👍👍👍👍. Great vid. Tnx

[@belmicah]

Excellent stuff Jeremy Jones. Also, nice podcast with Joe Rogan 👍

[@شامهوسلام]

Wow love it, thank you

[@markinjhawkland724]

8:15 and 8:43 twisting rear hand on contact.

[@bicivelo]

Do as I say, not as I do!

[@bigtechispropaganda1093]

This guy abilities has never changed

[@jonstantine]

So you place the tip of the cue with the position of the bridge hand instead of being “straight on” with a pivot of the entire cue…? Just wondering if that sounds about right.

[@geeman509]

best explanation ever of why not to use back-hand English

[@rayb1966]

Would have liked to see him make a couple with hitting it hard to get more out of it. It would prove what he is saying better as well. I only usually go wrong when hitting it hard which he only demonstrated once. That’s where most people run into trouble.

[@johnbell452]

Jeremy: This is a great starting point. You are applying front hand english. Unfortunately, the amount of compensation varies with the cut angle, speed, and length of the shot. In addition, one must consider the deflection inherent in the cue. The only way out of this is to shoot a lot of shots and put it all together automatically. One size will not fit all, as the saying goes.

[@2200pathfinder]

From a fellow Texan Thank you!!!!!!

[@DjDupree]

This works incredibly well.

[@08robertb]

Novice player here. Is the bridge position the exact same as if you’re shooting centre ball. The only difference is tip position?

[@ericduncan7266]

No that would be called pivoting which is what you DONT want. You need to adjust your bridge hand according to your English. It won’t be far off center but it makes a difference

[@CC-sp3wf]

I just want to clarify what you’re saying… because I am trying to be better!!!! …even when you put English on, you act like the right or left is center, square up your body as if that is center of the cue? Shoot straight through and line up your shot “pretending” left or right is center to make the cue ball do what you want? Do you have any advice on the power used for that type of shot? Is it better to just be gentle and follow through or will the cue ball end up where you want even if you hammer it?

[@bicivelo]

Hey, watch this video several times and read the comments. Don’t expect a single answer or reply from him. It’s not very educational if people have questions and don’t get any answers. Really, what’s the point?

[@victorhauk5973]

Thank you

[@trailblaza247]

nice explanation

[@tuc86]

another great vid!

[@bicivelo]

Seriously? Read the comments. If you have so many confused people he’s not doing a very good job explaining things. Some replies to confused people explain it better than JJ!

[@NameName-ji6wv]

Holy shit I think 5:15 just explained why I chicken wing some shots Im putting english on. Thanks!

[@ki21826]

When is next video coming out?

[@08robertb]

I can’t get this at all. I practiced this and I got the aim line for centre and then at the the last second changed my bridge handle so I had left English on it and I over cut it every time. I’m taking the same shot JJ does. It is my speed or the fact I’m I’m putting too much English or is my butt moving out.

[@beyondnzt4866]

Same question..

[@chrisrodgers429]

What about on long shots?

[@comeontars]

Dude voice is butter

[@bobreb]

I’m not understanding. If you start with the tip situated for a center ball hit, and you don’t move your table hand, but instead just move the tip to upper right, the only way that can happen is if the butt of the cue moves from lined up behind the cue ball. Unless you bend your cue, I don’t see another way to do it.

[@conradical117]

He lines the shot up as a center ball hit, but has he comes down, he is adjusting his table hand BEFORE he places it down to the table. In this manner, he’s still keeping his grip hand, elbow, and shoulder all on the center ball shot line. The only thing that will be slightly off is his bridge hand. Again he aims center while standing, and then places his bridge hand onto the table depending on the spin he intends to use. Hope this helps.

[@CODlogist]

@@conradical117but wouldn’t that just be FHE?

[@rodaltes3024]

Exactly what I thought. There's no way you can move cue tip from centre and not also move the butt. Physically impossible

[@bicivelo]

@@conradical117you explained it better than JJ 😅😅

[@md.nafeesurrahman6430]

wow!!!

[@andrewbertubin7634]

Does anyone know what tip and shaft diameter jj uses ?

[@dougslaten8423]

I don't quite get what the move is when you are lowering your bridge hand to the table. A straight-on shot at table level would be very helpful.

[@bicivelo]

I watched this video and his explanations are not very good at all. I suspect he’ll never respond to any comments or questions, not even a single one. Poor form.

[@maxlahoud]

So, front hand English vs parallel English?

[@prakash.srn.17]

I think FHE and parallel are the same. He’s describing BHE as the back hand is performing english while bridge has no change. I think. 😅

[@jbart9309]

Sounds like a cross between front-hand english and back-hand english. Unlike FHE, the entire cue is not shifted left or right. And unlike BHE, he is not pivoting the tip at the last instant and creating a pronounced shift between the front and back of the cue. How come it's not really one or the other, as some contend? BHE requires a bigger off-angle from the tip to the butt. Jones' technique results in the butt being closer to the center of the ball, but not exactly centered, as he implies.

[@HotelTwoFive-Sev]

This is basically known as "front hand english"

[@Poolshala]

Неплохо получатся), учитывая то, что Джереми неправильно держит кий, вывернув запястье и завалив локоть с плечом внутрь, да и смотрит на линию удара левым глазом...

[@MudreFilms]

This sounds like front hand English, as he is describing it. If indeed the back hand stays centered to the shot line, its absolutely FHE.

[@tonymon875]

Absolutely

[@dwaynehendricks7842]

I would say set up the same shot and shoot it 20 times the same way, same position on the CB, same stroke, same aiming position and note where the CB ends. Then adjust that same shot with the opposite english and note where the CB goes then, and so forth.

[@Steven-u4o]

Great tip, but i still find it funny you said "im not worried about deflection" using a low deflection shaft 🤔