Jeremy Kyle and The Nasty Noughties

The final part of the trilogy... I hope you enjoy. Also, screw Kyle!
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[@chrisstallard2835]

Unfortunately, hatred of the working classes is the last acceptable prejudice in Britain.

[@martinhepworth8771]

Many years ago, I got a call from a producer of the Jeremy Kyle show. A former friend of mine who I was forced to cut out of my life because of her mental illness and unstable personality had called the show claiming that she was pregnant with my baby and that I had abandoned her. I was being invited on to take a lie detector And give my side of the story. No way on gods earth was I going to degrade and humiliate myself like that and I made sure to tell the producer that. But they were relentless, they just would not take no for an answer. They pushed and pushed trying to get me to change my mind. Even when I hung up on them multiple different producers kept calling for days. I would block one number, but they would call on another. It was only when I threatened to report them for harassment and that I had the logs of every time they had called they finally stopped. This despicable show should never have been on television in the first place.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you for sharing this story. I wish I could say I am surprised, but it's clearly another example of the callous nature they had in harassing and abusing people for entertainment. It shouldn't have been on TV, and Kyle (alongside the producers) should not be working in the industry now.

[@grahamclark4518]

ITV should have lost its licence, despite its fluffy public statements it's shown time and time again, it didn`t give a shit, As for Kyle, its a disgrace he's back on air

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Totally agree with you. Some of those heads are still working there… utter disgrace.

[@stickytapenrust6869]

It was recorded at Granada Television. The founder of Granada - Sidney Bernstein (a committed socialist) - would be spinning in his grave at his company making The Jeremy Kyle Show.

[@gaminggamer2594]

Banging video. I was a kid in 2000s Britain and while all this flew over my head, I definitely had a very clear vision of what a 'chav' was and that they were bad - mainly cause my middle-class family would happily throw it out all the time. Kyle is the lowest of the low.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

He truly is. Thank you for your kind words. It also flew over my head. Only in recent times have I started to reflect back on that culture and how I perceive it now (plus rewatching it). Kyle is evil. Pure and simple.

[@Jess-qk1qh]

It's weird that a lot of us watching Jeremy Kyle were just as poor as the guests

[@Vassatta]

Really intriguing view of the 00s. It really does put that decade into a new light looking back.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It’s an interesting time and one we often view as “glorious”, when we should question how good it actually was.

[@user-lz5wf]

@@DrNewVeg4s nostalgia and rose tinted glasses obscure the reality

[@Megaevo89]

Good riddance to the jeremy kyle show

[@robbiekop7]

100% But his target audience have moved to TikTok now 😩

[@kezisthename]

I remember even in 2006 when i was like 14 i couldnt stand X Factor but could never articulate why, but you definitely summed it up perfectly

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you. I will admit that even up until recently I was watching the “Audition FAIL” compilations that appear on KZbin. It’s only watching them back now alongside other shows did I start to see what was really happening.

[@Prez-B]

Good video, I was born in 1990, so very much grew up in the early 2000s, I'm also very working class, and looking back at the 2000s reminds me how much this country hates the working class, but I feel it's actually gotten worse since then, they are just more subtle about it.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

They do. There has been some TV shows that attempt to challenge the narrative (Sherwood) but it often employs the same stereotypes about working class people, if not in story but with their characters. And don’t get me started on news media…

[@whateversunpopular1338]

It was just before the Conservatives got back into power which might say a bit.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It was like the work had been laid for them to reign!

[@JL0ndon]

Criminally under watched video! I hope this finds a huge audience- this is honestly so fascinating

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you! Very kind words to hear.

[@halobrood]

Really intriguing video man! Super well made too,well done!

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you very much!

[@deansimpson7694]

Damn good video, so thank you. The class obsession in this country is being kept alive and well, it's hard to accept and depressing that it's only getting worse. As a working class person I've never felt the need to behave accordingly because of that, we really do beat the individuality out of each other. Sad. Outside of institutions the media hold all of the cards no doubt.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you for the kind words. I completely agree. We should seek to reclaim our values of the working-class and praise it. The media have held the power to divide us for far too long.

[@Onmysheet]

I'll admit. I loved Little Britain when the 3 seasons aired. As I was 16 when it started. But looking back now, I'm kind of embarrassed by it.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Same here. I was far younger... (must have been around 6 or 7).

[@Onmysheet]

@DrNewVeg4s Sitcoms like The League of Gentlemen portray a more dark world that isn't close to reality. But that's delivered more intelligently by making us feel for the characters (especially Season 3). And Little Britain copied from most of this.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

@@Onmysheet Yes! Much prefer The League of Gentlemen. Even that can sometimes feel outdated, but I think the point you make about it being placed in a darker, much more 'fantastical' setting gives it a more universal feel. You are right; LB did copy a lot of it, but the strength of writing from Reece and Steve is unparalleled.

[@Onmysheet]

@@DrNewVeg4s In case you didn't know, The League of Gentlemen is titled Psychoville in Japan. Which Reece & Steve used for the UK series.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

@@Onmysheet I did not know that! Now I can use that fact if a pub quiz comes along.

[@jackmellor5536]

I lost interest in the X Factor in 2008, but I had my suspensions from the 2007 show onwards.

[@DShapes58]

Very interesting take. Thanks!

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you for watching!!

[@davidblank420]

Great vid brudda, very well articulated and very well said. Cheers from Ohio.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you mate! Hope it’s all going well over there.

[@whateversunpopular1338]

The Jeremy Kyle Show and Little Britain were absolutely massive in the 00’s, especially around 2005-2007ish. It’s a time I remember in a very uncomfortable way.

[@jevvhobruv9266]

I loved both shows 😂

[@stookinthemiddle]

This was very well put together. You've earned a new sub. Deserving of so many more views! :)

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you! That’s very kind of you to say.

[@dnalor7553]

DJ Audits is a well-known figure in the “auditing” community. While he claims to carry out public audits in the name of transparency and exercising civil rights, his content has been criticised for encouraging confrontational and provocative behaviour. This often taps into anti-authority sentiments that are popular in alt-right circles, where there is a deep distrust of government, law enforcement, and public institutions. His followers frequently echo anti-establishment and anti-immigration rhetoric in the comments, aligning him (in my eyes) with the broader alt-right narrative.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Great. I’ll give it a watch and make some points. I’ve seen them a lot (as I watch content on all sides for discussion). But it’s good to get some names.

[@dnalor7553]

@@DrNewVeg4s His videos, especially where he teams up with other ‘Auditors’ to collectively swarm a site, are genuinely painful to watch. As a volunteer for a neurodiverse organisation, I find it particularly interesting to observe the patterns of behaviour depicted in these videos.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

I don’t know if there are any books or research articles exploring this particular phenomenon (except for books exploring alt-right movements in general). If not, I’ll form thoughts just from the videos alone. I’ve recently been reading Naomi Klein’s Doppleganger where she obsessively explored Naomi Wolf’s rise of the alt-right pipeline. Might pop up!

[@jasonsnipveron8188]

I have a story to tell about my bad experience in special needs primary school in the early 2000s but I’ll save that for another comment. Honestly though why can’t they make sitcoms and fictional shows about good people and entertaining subjects Britain use to make great sci fi shows and car chase/action shows. countries like Brazil have female dancers on at the weekend and Japan has no reality tv. I would give anything just to have good people on British tv for once 😢 everything doesn’t have to be positive that’s what drives a fictional shows plot. I really miss shows like captain scarlet and the likes. we need some more adult cartoons here in Britain we made a few in the 90s. Feel like every time I turn on the tv it’s just pointing its finger at me and laughing 😡

[@DrNewVeg4s]

You are more than welcome to share your experience here. Yes, media do like to point and laugh at our expense. No wonder why people have started moving away from traditional Tele!

[@Painted_Puppy]

I have to say, as someone who was raised on this show and never really understood why they didn’t like it, thank you for this video. all of the stigmas pushed in this show always rubbed me the wrong way, and as I’ve grown and been able to look back I understand now. I remember all the classism and I think some racism sometimes, it’s been a while. glad to see people talking about this show in hindsight instead of just brushing it off because ‘it was a product of the time’ and whatnot. I’m not too far into the video yet, but so far it seems well researched and put together, I reckon your channel can go places for sure. sorry for such a long rambling comment, thank you for the video!

[@DrNewVeg4s]

No, it’s a lovely comment and good analysis. I remember it too. I am one of those people where I don’t “conventionally” sound working-class, but my dad was a bus driver and my mum a council worker. We grew up in poverty. Of course, people didn’t stigmatise me and I was lucky in that sense. I saw it for myself and Kyle contributed to those antagonisms. Racism played a part as well. It might be something to explore more in a future video. More ramble, I say! Thank you again for the comment.

[@lss2388]

Love a good media analysis vid. And this one is excellent.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you so much! I am absolutely gonna keep doing more.

[@sjsmith4053]

Thankyou for voicing the truth.im middle class but mentally and physically ill and government and society can cause me to add to a bipolar low the thought that i dont deserve to exist.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you for putting this comment. The way they stigmatised mental and physical disabilities is shameful.

[@coolcreeper88]

Jeremy deserves to be in prison along with ITV’s higher ups. I feel guilty knowing I watched this with no issue when I was younger. It was not really hidden in plain sight as to how exploitive it was.

[@Tom_murray89]

Little Britain was great and as a wheelchair user I found lue and Andy really funny

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It found it funny at the time! It still created stereotypes out of the working class.

[@TheDantheman12121]

Good video but I could not disagree more about little Britain. The working class do not care and love the show. We welcome fun being made of us and any fictional comedy show should be left to make us laugh and make fun of anyone and everyone. The only people that seem to care is content creators who make videos about it

[@DrNewVeg4s]

I think the point has slightly been missed. Little Britain was beloved at the time, I said that in the video. It’s playing off of stereotypes that we see in daily life (often comedy is good when it gets it right). The problem is, the narrative around the stereotypes were the most disadvantaged or excluded in society. It set the stage to morph into reality with the “reality shows” that would appear only a year later. I didn’t say the working-class didn’t enjoy it, but it did emphasise negative stereotypes that reality shows then capitalised on. Edit: Little Britain was not the only one to do this, but it was the most successful so it’s a good case study to use.

[@MayaLarsen-y3r]

Classist this show was.

[@pyjamacritic1171]

I should say about Lou and Andy that Andy's faking of his disability wasn't initially the point of the sketches. The humor was mainly around how self involved and generally unpleasant he was to his only friend. Matt Lucas said they added the faking aspect to help the audience feel more comfortable about laughing at Andy. It did seem to focus more on Andy mocking Lou with his physical activities as the series' went on. Also as I remember there were just as many middle class characters lampooned in that show like the romantic novelist or the old woman who was obsessed with her one claim to fame that she used to know an old sitcom actor.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Oh yeah. I do mention their original intentions. I don’t think the show was done in bad faith. I just think they played a stereotype that got stuck in the public image. They aren’t the main problem, merely a symptom of something developing. There is a theory I have (which I’m pretty sure people will have dissected) about intentions of entertainment compared to the audience it picks up. I think about Grand Theft Auto, which was a game that was satirising American culture. It’s now become itself part of the American culture, with people not picking up the subtext behind it. I think Little Britain might have that same problem. Sorry for my rambling, but it’s interesting. Might be a good video to discuss…

[@ousfraton435]

this vid is really good considering how small of a channel this is. put it on whilst playing football manager n assumed it was some massive channel with hundreds of thousands of subs. this channel’s going places keep it up (no more shit talking on little britain tho pls🤣)

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you friend! Sorry, I have to say I did enjoy it when I was younger! Edit: Good choice on Football Manager!

[@catmouse1718]

the original one was paul donahue

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Do you mean Phil Donahue? Yeah, I don't remember that one. I believe it ended when I was born, which is probably why I don't remember it. Thanks for mentioning it, though!

[@RM-hj7zo]

Subbed. Good presenting and professional.

[@dnalor7553]

Interesting channel, by the way - you’ve got a new subscriber! Since we’re on the subject of ‘Citizen Journalists,’ it would be great to do a deep dive into another entitled and odious type that’s emerged on this platform in recent years: the self-styled ‘Auditor.’ DJ Audits is probably the most well-known UK example (he focusses mostly on harassing staff at industrial facilities). ‘Auditors’ usually claim to be politically neutral but they often pop up like mushrooms at ‘migrant hotels’ or at events organised by Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you for the sub! Yes, quite a few people have mentioned for me to look at this. I will have a video about it tomorrow, because it is a fascinating subject.

[@dnalor7553]

@@DrNewVeg4s be interesting to see that!

[@elliott4106]

Interested to hear your view on The League of Gentlemen’s job centre sketch, compared with Fat Fighters…

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It's interesting. I think because the characters are so "out there" and the world is fantastical (and morbid), it is able to escape reality and pose less of a problem. The jokes often come out of Pauline's expense and dictates power over the people that don't have have jobs. The jokes are not merely "your fat". That being said, you will still have an upper-class Mark Gatiss, who is entirely privileged playing the stereotype of a working-class person. I do think League of Gentlemen also suffers from the same problem at times, but the focus on the characters running the job seeker workshop and the morbidness of the world softens the blow (a bit). TL;DR: Better, writing, better characters and more nuance in the story lessens the portrayal of stereotypes!

[@jonhay3141]

There was a serious incident on The JK Show in 2012 when a man headbutted a love rival (apparently a friend of his and lodger at his home) who was having an affair with his wife after being typically duped into appearing by Kyle and his producers.He was fined, but the magistrate accused the programme of "human bear-baiting" and said those involved in the show shouldve been in the dock as well after such manipulating and provocation. We all saw what tragically happened in the end, but Kyle for some reason continues to be employed in the media,still unapologetic, sneering at the working classes and espousing tub-thumping right wing views, but in today's multi-channel media,I suppose its not surprising. 13:31

[@dnalor7553]

@jonhay3141 JK is a 5⭐️ cnut! (He doesn’t deserve anything more eloquent than that).

[@jezwud5774]

Great vid well done. 👍🏻

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you!

[@JordanGrimmer]

Great video.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you very much!

[@CashelOConnolly]

👌🏻

[@moth1234]

Heyy this is great!! You deserve more views! Subbed.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Thank you!

[@Poopertrooper597]

What’s ironic is the amazing mr Kyle cheated on his wife and had gambling problems….

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Yep. Lectured everyone else on how to live the “perfect” life. People obviously go through issues in life and I wouldn’t judge that. But people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

[@Poopertrooper597]

@@DrNewVeg4s it’s just epitomises hypocrisy and shows just how frighteningly psychopathic he actually is and id be willing to be that he isn’t the only UK tv star that doesn’t have a soul I just shudder think of how many marriages he destroyed with that borderline useless polygraph machine

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Totally agree. I think even shows like This Morning like to shame people and make them feel worthless. Deffo something for me to look at in the future with all the morning shows.

[@Boxanadu]

I loved Little Britain.

[@jakesheward663]

Really good video 👍 Just turned 26 but, I remember shows like Benefit Street, My Gypsy wedding, Jeremy Kyle etc. As a youngster who didn’t grow up on a council estate (grew up in Leicester which has some rough spots towards the town centre) it felt funny to laugh at these people on TV, who only did it to get some food on the table. Obviously, teenage years 15/16 you start working and actually understanding how the world works, these TV companies sole aim was to shame and exploit these people on the doll for cheap labour and the reality is they’ve grown up in a rough area and making do with their limited options.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Very good words and a very similar experience to myself. I’m 28 and only realised these things when I got into work around 16, realising my life wasn’t much different to those on TV, except I had bosses who would scream at me instead of Kyle!

[@dnalor7553]

Jeremy Kyle is a highly privileged individual with a disturbing obsession with the working class, exploiting their struggles for his own twisted entertainment.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

He’s still doing it! Why is he allowed to get away with it?! (We know why).

[@dnalor7553]

⁠ I also have a strong dislike for many ‘Citizen Journalist’ types on YT, like the upper-class Charles Veitch, who claim to represent the working class but instead pander to grim populist views, seemingly to feed their own narcissism.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

I’ve never heard of him. I’ll have a look at him now. Is he one of those that go around and “attempt” to interview people in their towns? I see that type of content a lot on here.

[@AA-hg5fk]

Tbh mate you sound a bit like Owen Jones here, you even use the phrase 'demonisation of the working class' - this concept has already been done to death. Yes, Little Britain was perhaps classist but even working class people laugh at Britain's deeply entrenched class system and lack of social mobility, we accept it and learn to live with it.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Yes, Owen Jones did speak about it in his book. It doesn’t mean I can’t make a video about it. Why come here just to moan?

[@AA-hg5fk]

​@@DrNewVeg4sI didn't come here to moan, I was hoping to watch something informative and interesting that wasn't just a rehash of stuff that's been published many times before.

[@LKR572]

This has been deeply imbeded in UK culture for hundreds of years. This is British culture in general, we have a house of lord for gods sake. Who are involved in housing legislation. It is definitely not a purely 00s thing. Every decade was snd is the same. Its just moved on to social media more so now. An example is charlie veitch....

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It’s not purely a noughties thing, that’s true. I’m currently exploring Veitch, he’s got a very interesting history… Though many of these KZbin street filmers often do the same thing. Don’t get me started on why we have a House of Lords… such an archaic system.

[@dnalor7553]

@@DrNewVeg4s Remember as well that Charles Veitch was once on the militant left - he has pivoted 180 degrees to where he is now because of sheer narcissism and fickleness.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

Yes! I saw this. I’m gonna search for the point where it all changed. I will do my main research tomorrow, but this is fascinating. I’m also going to look at others and form such case studies out of it.

[@LKR572]

@@dnalor7553 Exactly! He also went to a prestigious private school in Edinburgh called Edinburgh academy. A son of an oil money, however now he spends most of his time targeting a right wing 'working class' demographic.

[@dnalor7553]

@@LKR572 It’s so strange: this phenomenon of very privileged people who are obsessed with the working classes and how they can be manipulated - by either openly castigating and punishing them (Kyle) or by pretending to show solidarity with them (Veitch).

[@Dommysterio35]

He can’t be arrested for someone taking their own life. Why would they expect him to spend any time in prison?!

[@DrNewVeg4s]

There are multiple people who have died under the Kyle brand. If we take the last example, not only did he push him (and the producers) to be on the show, he called him a liar and made other accusations about him that were false. But this is more than that. Not only has he not served jail time, he now has a cushty gig spouting nonsense at TalkTv. He should be banned from this industry. Also, stop commenting like it’s a Twitch chat. You are popping up multiple times spouting rubbish. If you like him, go watch a washed-up wannabe journalist.

[@Dommysterio35]

@@DrNewVeg4s TWICE bro! And it’s a KZbin video I can comment as often as I want. It was 2 separate topics. If someone takes their own life, that’s on them for not reaching out to the many helplines available. It’s not a criminal offense to call someone a liar and there’s no smoke without fire anyway so if she was pinning the whole relationship on a lie detector then there was clearly more going on

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It's a very cruel way of looking at the world. You should have been a producer on Jeremy Kyle.

[@Dommysterio35]

@@DrNewVeg4s not cruel, just realistic

[@DrNewVeg4s]

@@Dommysterio35 It’s not realistic and a very simplistic way of looking at mental health.

[@MariaRodriguez-ig3yt]

mean get 4 views

[@FamousMovieScenes09]

Right wing, right wing, right wing. Change the bloody tune, bud.

[@DrNewVeg4s]

It’s true, though.

[@andrewstokes4026]

Wow, it's called having a laugh, bet you're a good laugh on a night out! All the shows your mention are quality, if you cant take the piss in life what's the point??

[@DrNewVeg4s]

I am pretty dull. I spent 18 minutes discussing the classism of three rubbish shows. How exciting did you think I was?

[@andrewstokes4026]

@@DrNewVeg4s How can you not enjoy little Britain, and x factor meltdowns??? Great entertainment, what do you suggest we should all just be nice to each other? Its in our nature to take the piss out of each other, it would be pretty boring world if we cant poke fun at people? I got a big nose, my mates call me torpedo hooter, just a laugh aint it, i dont get offended!

[@DrNewVeg4s]

@@andrewstokes4026 It’s a bit different to having a laugh with your mates, and broadcasting stereotypes live to millions of people, believing that’s what the “underclass” of Britain is like. People died and were hammered by the Tory government because of this. It laid the foundations for politicians to attack the poorest in society. If you liked it, then that’s fine. I too enjoyed it when it came out (i said that in the video). It still created terrible stereotypes that still haunt Britain to this day.

[@InChristWeTrust999]

Do you not think that some people deserve to be criticised? Shows like Jeremy Kyle weren’t picking on the working class. They were making fun of people on benefits that could easily work, but chose not to. I understand if you have a disability that doesn’t allow you to work, but the majority of people on JK could work, but were lazy and they relished in their laziness. They also spoke like idiots, had horrible attitudes and took very little pride in their appearances. I think it’s funny how the exact same people who were laughing at the guests on the show are now the same people ranting about how cruel it was to laugh at these people. Just a bunch of social justice warriors coming to the rescue again. I grew up working class, and all my friends did too, but none of us acted like the people who appeared as guests on the Jeremy Kyle Show. I don’t think the show was demonising the working class, but I think they were demonising people with bad mouths and bad attitudes who would rather scrounge off the government than work. They just happened to be working class. As I said, I know nobody that is working class that acts like the guests on JK. These people are not victims. They went on the show for attention and they got it. Nobody forced them on that stage

[@DrNewVeg4s]

I think the allegations presented in the video about what was happening on JK speaks for itself. The media are very good at trying to create a narrative, a narrative which I’m afraid you seem to have fallen for. “People are lazy”. Is the same as David Cameron’s “strivers not scroungers”. They have now cut benefits to the bone, meaning that benefits have become pretty much meaningless. That is the lasting legacy of shows like Jeremy Kyle. People aren’t lazy. In most circumstances, people are desperate. Our primal instinct is survival. There’s no need to shame others for living off of benefits, when greedy billionaires live off of state hand-outs because they have mates in government. Aim your criticism at the right people, not what Kyle’s false narrative was.