Winter Fuel: Has Labour betrayed pensioners? Feat. Carole Malone & Nelufar Hedayat | Jeremy Vine

[@wordwordful]

You silly girl. Taking from pensioners and giving to migrants. She can't add up can she.Who is this person and why is she there. Get her off.

[@garethjohnstone9282]

It's because she can't get past the issue of colour. They're not white, so when she hears anyone criticise giving money to people that are the same shade as her, she doesn't care about WHY they're criticising it. She just sees a neon sign in her brain that says "YOU'RE R*CIST!!" To people like her, proposing to stop giving money to non-British is r*cist by default and it's up to the other person to convince her it's not. Blinkers on.

[@jillibrom702]

GOOD MAN

[@johnleech777]

Well said Carol. That young girl should do more research before holding up the racist card. Illegal immigrants should not come before our pensioners

[@steveg7368]

Well said, "illegals" should not come before anyone, should not be an issue full stop !

[@alexdavies7394]

That woman with the black hair and whiney voice is in her late 30s. Hard to believe!

[@adampeckham8541]

Have you got evidence for your claim that they are?

[@johnleech777]

@@adampeckham8541 open your eyes , do they turn the heating off in the hotels ? Do they pay ? No

[@steveg7368]

@@adampeckham8541 Wake up !

[@georgeeden3395]

That young girl needs to live a life , get a minimum wage job , have children and then come back

[@collier8931]

She’s a bloody child.

[@leahmichaelides4146]

I had to switch off when that young woman starting talking. I didn't agree with anything she said. Carol was so good.

[@juanitamiller9529]

​@@collier8931I totally agree, as soon as she took offense I switched off. Carol was totally right. We all knew she meant illegal migrants.

[@emstirling-is4nu]

Probably paid by the P' protestors.

[@emstirling-is4nu]

She needs to be banished!@@collier8931

[@FrancisWeston-m3h]

Its not a question 'have they betrayed pensioners' THEY HAVE massively.

[@wordwordful]

It's just intolerable, isn't it. A complete disregard for the elderly. I'm beginning to wonder if they are believers in Eugenics like Bill Gates. He wants to reduce the population.

[@ninabaker6829]

Made threats to get that winter fuel passed. They should all be in jail for hate crimes against pensioners.

[@keithgarton9133]

Abstaining from the vote is a cowards way out. Shame on you all.

[@moiragraham2291]

I have found abstaining may be the only answer. I don’t respond to loaded questions.

[@rayjolly8435]

That young woman is delusional We give 11.6 billion to foreign countries Government borrowed 3.5 billion to pay train drivers to push a lever

[@mariayeomans8654]

Rachel Reeves and the other cronies of labour should give their winter fuel payments back. How shamed faced are they to take their heating allowance. Only one decent labour MP had the decency to vote against it. The fifty who abstained are cowards.

[@patharrison7102]

The labour mp's who abstained from voting, those wasted votes should be counted as a No vote against the proposal

[@leonardstreet2985]

this is KILLING program

[@Alexis-b17]

And look at what she claimed on heating for the past several years scandalous

[@leonardstreet2985]

Pensioners will DIE with this government stopping winter fuel payments.❓

[@kiwicol7383]

@@patharrison7102they should be named and shamed 🤬

[@user-nb9px9cm4p]

Well said Carol. Nelufar, go away, you are misleading people.

[@MrDunkycraig]

Nelafur is just wrong and what qualifies her to speak on this subject? Racheal Thieves and sir spinalot should resign now they are done

[@craig1669]

Labour's s disgrace. Starmer should be stripped of his knighthood!!!

[@stevencollins4779]

pure evil , wont cut the foregners benifits though .

[@leonbell5141]

They won’t as they’re Labour voters 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@frankblack7801]

Its a FREE Country so long as your not white British.

[@williamdew7143]

​@@leonbell5141Who, 'the foregners' (sic)?

[@MsButterflyuk]

Love Carol! She speaks for us who cannot be heard.

[@daveleejones3060]

"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity

[@mikerobb8838]

Starmer is evil and has no humanity dead eyes and the cold blooded demeanour of a lizard

[@craphat1873]

Abstaining is voting for the government. SHAME

[@collier8931]

Those who abstained are cowards, don’t have the courage of their convictions. Disgusting people.

[@frankblack7801]

80% didn't vote in the general election. But yes, I agree.

[@ruthsmith1694]

Abstaining was cowardly.

[@russellwilliams1163]

Exactly.

[@paulineashcroft1485]

It is actually worse, it says "I do not agree but I am too gutless to say so therefore I will sit on the fence".

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

Has she not got Google it's common knowledge that Billions are being spent keeping people in hotels with food and heating on whilst people who have worked all their lives can barely afford to live. £4.3 Billion

[@HazelKitching]

Fully agree.It comes to something when you are an enemy in your own country,these bloody immigrants see the UK as a soft touch.

[@ianroyston1065]

Carole you are so correct on every level !

[@Stampingerms]

❤❤❤

[@Jonny-w3w]

I agree ' but she must learn to speak out of her mouth ' sounds like shes talking out of her nose 😮‍💨

[@janeday9148]

To see Labour MPs laughing at the vote to deny retired people the heating allowance is disgusting but now we know & don't forget children left in poverty ,they are obviously very pleased with themselves ,we must never forget what they have done

[@stevesmith7943]

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” George Orwell - Animal Farm

[@chrismason7893]

Carol is bang on the nail

[@NicholasBottomley]

The young lady again has got a chip on her shoulder she has no experience of life well done Carol

[@ritaribeiro3582]

Her time will come and its not going to be better surely

[@kiwicol7383]

Chip 😂 bloody Sherwood Forest

[@ruthsmith1694]

Why are there so many young foreign men allowed into his country and who get free accommodation, free food, clothes, ect ect and government allowance when there are so many homeless British people in this country. Shouldn`t the homeless British people get help and assistance and made a priority?

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Yes

[@wendybrierley5412]

That's how the Labour spend the country's money. These young men are illegal and contributed nothing to this country like Carole said. Just Betrayal!!

[@AnthulaCropper]

Agree it's disgusting You see so many in the streets in sleeping bags. This should not be happening to our own people in this day and age.

[@jaimefernandez2624]

because you hate inmigrants so much that you would rather pay billions for them to stay in a horrible situation than allow them to work for themselves.

[@HazelKitching]

Agree.

[@russellmurray8102]

This young woman is delusional, she knows nothing about life ask her to live on the basic pension. I'll make a bet she would struggle.

[@gillygrey6545]

Well said carol malone ,this young woman is twisting carols words, who the hell is she?.

[@mac1-nf6ic]

John trickett the only labour mp with any morals or guts

[@AnthulaCropper]

We should be so proud of him.

[@Me-bw6xi]

Labour have thrown pensioners under the bus. Absolutely disgraceful from Starmer and Reeves.

[@sandrawilliams7841]

You go Carole! This country looks after everyone but it’s own 😢

[@Cherrytune386]

Yes go Carol, as far away as possible

[@alexdavies7394]

As the old saying goes: "Charity begins at home."

[@OleGitRule]

is that woman mad - £8m per day but she seems to think its £8 per day

[@Mary-lx3zs]

It's costing the British taxpayer 14 million a day to keep these illegal men in hotels not the 8 million our government want us to believe

[@MichaelHill-o4t]

ITS SO UPSETTING 😡, IM A PENSIONER NOW HAVE NO T V. I LIVE IN A BEDROOM, WORKING ALL MY LIFE. FOR THIS PLEASE CAN I COME DOWN TO A HOTEL, AND POLITICIANS PAY 👍 OK

[@sharonsmith381]

So sad, why have you not got a TV 😢

[@MichaelHill-o4t]

@@sharonsmith381 BROKEN, AND NOW WATCHING 👀 💔 EVERY PENNY. HEATING AND ELECTRICITY GONE UP . THANKYOU

[@Yorkshireborn52]

@@sharonsmith381 probably can’t afford the licence. Not sure I’ll be able to when mine’s due either. Absolutely shocking.

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

​​@@Yorkshireborn52I'm a pensioner so not hating.. keep your TV and ditch BBC and bbc I player.( No great loss). You can watch catch up so nothing that's going out live. Many people pensioners or not do this. Best wishes to you 5:42 .

[@Yorkshireborn52]

@@judithmorganjudyteenThat’s a very good idea, not to watch BBC. I can live without them. I’m 72 and have a little in savings but that’s going down . Best wishes to you too 😊

[@anthonymichaelwilson8401]

The Disgraceful Labour government 😊

[@Cherrytune386]

😂😂😂😂😂 seen what the Cons did the last 14 years?????????

[@Dawn-hb5pf]

Well said Carol

[@des632]

How can people cheer when a motion is passed to take money away from the most vulnerable in society? They must have no heart? We thought the Tories were the scum but they now look like angels

[@deborahcoveney8846]

Thank you Carol

[@barriewilliams4526]

Not only will there be old people who will die from the cold, there will be also those who will give up, and take their own lives. Winter is a really bad time for old people, many suffering from the winter blues, i.e. Severe depression, which is a life-threatening condition, something that my wife suffers from. They have enough to cope with without having the added problem of how to keep warm, a basic necessity. This government has to be the most inhuman one in history! Not only will Labour be saving money by cutting off the winter fuel payment, they will be saving money on the dead pensioners whose pension they will no longer have to pay!

[@marie2867-j9v]

Totally agree 😡

[@wendybrierley5412]

Exactly so, Labour is killing the old age pensioners so they can line their own pockets.

[@ritab8663]

Feels like culling

[@AnthulaCropper]

You are speaking the truth. Thoroughly agree with you.

[@HazelKitching]

Strongly agree with you.

[@mikeirving2122]

Carole is talking so much sense!

[@janetholden1978]

It's gutless to abstain. You should stand up for your principles

[@brianday6868]

Charity begins at home, not in a dinghy in the Channel.

[@iamkjb1]

The annual pension increase is meant for cost of living increases expected over the following 12 months, NOT to be offset against the cruel withdrawal of winter fuel payments. The PM stated today in the House that the £460 pension increase will more than cover the winter fuel payments, what a hypocrite! In actual fact, that's an extra £35.38 paid every 4 weeks from April 2025 to April 2026, by which time pensioners will have lost TWO winter fuel payments.

[@vincentblack7467]

This will be the downfall of the labour party.....

[@leecromer3289]

No it won’t. Here in East Yorkshire, the nuggets will still vote them in even if liebour throw them out into the street leaving them in the clothes they are stood up in…”my great grandad voted liebour, my grandad, my dad, so I will because they look after the working class…”🙄🙄🙄

[@TheVRSofa]

lol, you rightys sure are bad loosers XD we won and we voted for it. so yay

[@Fabbydabby1]

Nobody will remember this in 6 months never mind 4 years time

[@janiceturton7756]

@@Fabbydabby1 Yes but they will remember it in the May county and district elections.

[@janewright2800]

​@Fabbydabby1 well those that died and suffered will be remembered by their loved ones. So I beg to differ!!

[@osiancraig9942]

And they applauded the result - shocking from the Labour Government

[@mudassarmahmood6679]

Carole is correct the asian gal is wrong

[@Kurt_Steiner]

She got to disagree as she's Asian anyway....she sticks with her own...

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

What does she mean. ? if illegals weren't paid for there would be money to spare.

[@collier8931]

That girl is a bloody idiot.

[@rachaelhogan7850]

The irony the immigrant Asian is wrong there’s a surprise those people are part of my country’s problem those Indians pakistanis

[@wendyharris8026]

The young woman is entitled and self-serving. Also lacks a sense of humanity.

[@KayHutchinson-x1i]

No party should be allowed this advantage as it means for 5 years they will literally do whatever they like and the public have no chance . No MP should be allowed to abstain it’s their job to vote

[@kevinlee8248]

You could take the heating allowance that the well paid two home owners called politicians each one of these people would pay between 4 or 5 pensioners. Because their allowance so much more than £300 and they are so well paid. They should also live on the state pension, while the allowance has been removed as they say it's easy to live on next to no money. This way they would learn, Plus they are not worth their wages anyway.

[@jackflash8756]

There is a way we pensioners can take constitutional revenge on Labour MPs who voted for the Winter Fuel Cut. Within the next 5 years and before the 6months leading up to a General Election , you have a right to Recall an MP if he/she commits a criminal offence. Therefore check for any offence he/she has committed , even the slightest traffic offence for speeding or parking on a yellow line because that is deemed a criminal offence. Then raise a petition to 'Recall' the MP and if 10% of his/her ward sign it , he will be removed and a by-election triggered . I think there is bound to be 10% of pensioners in each MP's ward so why not give it a go.

[@mattywilkinson1948]

There be a by elections before that . Trust me they will pay

[@terryb392]

Well said Carol, the other woman hasn't got a clue

[@davidflood8881]

This was a choice by labour they are trying to say they had no choice but thats nonsense. There are lots of other areas where money could be saved such as the millions of pounds a week spent on housing migrants in hotels.

[@Evelynall.]

Why did they give train drivers all that extra money when they already earn a good wage.

[@Evelynall.]

Will the hotels be warm where the immigrants are living

[@Lynwen10]

A society is judged by how it treats its children and its old people.

[@AnthulaCropper]

Not in this country it doesn't.

[@Lynwen10]

@@AnthulaCropper Well, it ought to be because we as a country will be found wanting.

[@baz2374]

We don't have money, but we do have it for illegals and foreign aid? Makes sense...

[@barryclayton8447]

Labour are not ruling out removing free bus passes for pensioners next so we can’t travel to keep warm then it looks like the budget is going to hammer everyone else as well

[@valpotter3660]

Loads of them stayed away. Pure coward's.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

Ukraine is not a legitimate expense.

[@barrybray1839]

The labour MP's cheering after after the vote was announced was so disrespectful they should be ashamed of themselves.....

[@deborahcoveney8846]

£11.5 to overseas aid I rest my case

[@thecanticleofcrom4787]

Oxygen thief in the middle, what a smug tone.

[@stephenboyd4934]

That women who said decision's have to be done. Well if the MP's gave up their second home heating allowance of £3500, I'd think that's something, but just attacking old people is not right.

[@derekcox9965]

We will remember this, when its Votes time, PAYBACK TIME.

[@dudeyfeb88coach]

Lol, wait and see 28/9

[@rachaelhogan7850]

VOTE REFORM

[@lennonpolo]

If its not rigged!

[@stevesmith7943]

You mean with Labour getting 63% of the seats for less than 34% of the votes it's not already rigged?

[@NUCLEAR154]

Super great presentation 🎉Carole is such a realist😊🎉

[@sarahm1657]

Why are they cheering! Absolutely disgusting..bet they still get there winter heating payments! For second homes probably!

[@kiwicol7383]

Name and shame the labour ministers that didn’t vote

[@kennethsleigh3170]

Not only have they betrayed the pensioners but are directly responcible for any deaths

[@hannahheywood9439]

@@kennethsleigh3170 yeah like the Tories did when they sent 1,000s of pensioners to the care homes with COVID. Hypocrisy at it's highest 🙄

[@flowergirl6908]

Total cowards abstaining, these pensioners are you parent s and Grandparents, we are all going to grow old and frail and cold needing support. Just remember soon it could be you.

[@lucius4556]

And still some left who probably went through the hardship of the last war !

[@trevorclarey3336]

Carole is right .

[@michael7286]

Thank you Carole for speaking up for us not so well off pensioners. Not only will many pensioners be freezing cold as a result of the vote in parliament to betray pensioners but also many will suffer with stress, anxiety, and depression at the thoughts of having to sit alone in the Freezing cold as the winter months draw closer.

[@martinhill9261]

I think the girl with the dark hair needs things written down as she's a bit slow on the uptake.

[@I_know_the_end_i_read_the_book]

Oh my goodness how can that woman not see the immigration issue. What is wrong with her.

[@lucius4556]

She's a Syrian immigrant !

[@I_know_the_end_i_read_the_book]

@@lucius4556 did she come illegally? I have every sympathy for genuine immigrants however I’ve two issues. A country, no matter how much sympathy it has for victims of other countries, cannot prioritise other countries citizens over its own. charity has to begin at home. On a plane if the oxygen masks drop, a mother/father should fit their own mask first then take care of their child. If the parent is not fit & capable s/he will not be able to help anyone else. If our country is in ruins, ie our NHS, schools, roads, limited housing and we are in financial debt how can we justifiably take on illegal migrants. Secondly I do not believe that all the illegal immigrants are genuine migrants in need of our help. If I were to go to another country and claim asylum I would still be able to assess the situation of the country I was now asking for shelter, food, health care etc. The immigrant who is part of the discussion seems switched on enough to be able to work out that the costs of the immigrants to our country is neither acceptable nor fair.

[@lucius4556]

@@I_know_the_end_i_read_the_book You would think !

[@danxzon]

Great way to get the far right elected Mr. Starmer

[@collier8931]

Not far right , just not far left.

[@lennonpolo]

Right by far you mean?

[@janetmatthews7485]

Absolutely…go Carole Malone 😞👍👍👍👍👍

[@moomin7461]

To Pluto preferably. 😂

[@alistairbartlett6569]

​@@moomin7461 How about you do that?

[@williamnoble294]

Charity begins at home

[@DrWho-vc2go]

They have enough money to pay their own overinflated wages, though!🙄

[@brianroyle2533]

when your in your 80s you really really dont have the energy to fill in the ridiculously complicated forms its madness

[@joegooner3563]

Labour just cheered for removing your benefits .... We told you so doesnt quite cut it.....

[@hannahheywood9439]

Tories cheered when they voted for disability cuts and no free school meals. Hypocrisy at it's highest

[@seanjones8829]

Yeah we expect it from them. Not from the supposed party of the working class.

[@hannahheywood9439]

@@seanjones8829 where was you're anger when Tories killed off pensioners during COVID?

[@adampeckham8541]

I have little sympathy for boomers who majority voted for brexit making us all poorer and took away my and my generations freedoms on our own Continent against our wishes. Maybe I should tell the boomers to "get over it"? 🤔

[@mac1-nf6ic]

Means tested?? So why are mps expenses especially heating expenses not means tested??

[@pompeypops57]

Because they are looking after themselves and have there own rules make them up as they go along

[@morjac11]

Well done carol they dont like the truth....

[@OKMmike]

Nelufar Hedayat just will not listen and puts words in Carole Malone's mouth.

[@alexdavies7394]

Meanwhile, her new husband will have a similar idea...

[@sueshoker]

Nelufar needs to be replaced by someone who is not biased

[@alexdavies7394]

@@sueshoker - That applies to most of them.

[@andydenness2090]

And cheering as well !

[@AnthulaCropper]

Absolutely disgusting

[@daveroberts4086]

The Barstools.

[@tonkysue207]

Will never be forgotten.shame on them.not one of them mentions their own expenses.

[@almac521]

Remove the obscene standing charge and the associated levies and VAT and then we may be able to afford our bills. Make the energy companies pay for what they need to do instead of paying their shareholders.

[@petergordon4525]

It's the Green levies as you say, just wait till GB Energy starts up, it will be 10 times worse

[@steveb3060]

Basically the government lie and say giving a billion pounds to pensioners would cause the pound to crash, but giving a billion pounds to green energy, Ukraine or illegal migrant hotels won't be a problem. Who do they think they are kidding !

[@macchiatomachiato]

they literally will let your granny freeze

[@DawnWragg]

Well said Carol , totally agree with you

[@deco2132]

People wont forget this in almost 5 years, I certainly wont. I am not a pensioner but my Mum is. Obviously I will be giving her some cash each winter for the next 5 years to cover the inevitable shortfall. Considering Labour said they wouldn't do this and then gave out huge pay rises and foreign aid whilst claiming there was a blackhole, I am absolutely fuming about the decision. Two faced rats all of them.

[@amyshoneye5455]

Nobody Should Have Been Permitted To Abstain 😮 Shame Shame Shame On All That Did 🙃💔🙏

[@williamf4544]

Even if they back down and change things its too late the damage is done - The fact they wanted to do it and cant see how wrong it is will never be forgotten

[@alexdavies7394]

For goodness sake! They wasted several minutes, yapping on about their personal lives. The programme should stick to debates.

[@kevinsnowden5992]

Well said Carole 👏

[@vincentblack7467]

Name these MP's I want to see if my MP their....!!

[@gumdrop808]

You can look online at the list. Search for "commons votes"

[@PeteBlondell]

I know how we can find the money….stop sending billions abroad every year 😂

[@robertmcturk4682]

They made a choice very soon after the election there first choice, tells you that it was planned. Could have chosen 1bn off foreign aid or 1bn off immigration but they didn't. They looked after train drivers without conditions disgraceful, this will haunt them for the next 5 years.

[@AnthulaCropper]

If they remain in power for 5 years. I don't think so.

[@please-wake-up-now]

It's really sad to see how our pensioners are being affected like this. They worked hard all their lives and deserve better. 🤔 Maybe this will wake up more people to get involved in the politics seriously! 🔥

[@pearl2910]

If Starmer is worried about that black hole 💤 then clearly you look at Money that is sent abroad you look at the cost of Economic Migrants in this Country you look at MPs Expensenses before you start with Society’s most Vunerable

[@litahughes2213]

What none of you are mentioning is the oldest members of society still remember loved family who died horrible deaths thinking that they were doing the right thing for the country. They gave so much, so their relations were safe in the future. In fact they died so politicians could be kept nice and warm and and we who gave everything are begrudged a tiny bit of extra money.

[@stephen1562]

Even arch lefty Vine can't defend the indefensible

[@UKsoldier45]

Of course they have cynically betrayed them. Why pose the question. This is no fun for the elderly you know!

[@RovingRoy]

Why doesn't anyone in the media bring up the mp's winter fuel.allowances or ask the labour's mp's that???

[@thetimeisnow6822]

They have stolen money given to the Pensioners. But are they going to claim their Heating Allowance for their Second Homes ?

[@rosemarycuthbert4623]

God help Scottish pensioners. It's cold here already.

[@oliverplays9598]

These mps shouldn't have 5 years in charge, give them a couple of years and if there losing the vote of the people then out they go. They should work for the people not for themselves.

[@alexdunn8574]

It is a very ungrateful thing that Starmer has done he forgets that so many pensioners actually voted for him ,I honestly think that wouldn’t have been the case if they had known that

[@monikasmith637]

Yes!! They have treated pensions abominably 😢 Stop paying out pensioners who are wealthy and pay out to those who need it !!!

[@georgecullen9516]

Watched the full program ...and the 1 in the white top has just got married.....and I pity the poor guy...

[@coopers2023]

This is why they want rid of the rest of the peers-so they can fill those seets with people who are like-minded Fabians like themselves

[@eunicehayes1750]

Thankyou Carole. £3 more a week. No wfp. I am worse off than the poorest on pension credit. The sums are easy. Government have created a poorer than the poorest vunerable pensioners.