Bog Iron burning in Budalen - Norway

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Heliks AS

Heliks AS

3 жыл бұрын

A bloomery is a type of furnace once used widely for smelting iron from its oxides. The bloomery was the earliest form of smelter capable of smelting iron. Bloomeries produce a porous mass of iron and slag called a bloom. The mix of slag and iron in the bloom, termed sponge iron, is usually consolidated and further forged into wrought iron. Blast furnaces, which produce pig iron, have largely superseded bloomeries.
In Trøndelag in Norway the earliest forms of iron smelting can be divided into 3 eras, based on the historical findings of the area. In the first era, that lasted from about 300 BC to about 600 AD, a furnace dubbed the “Roman times-furnace” was used. In the second era, approximately between 700 and 1300 AD the “Viking age-furnace” was used, and lastly, between 1400 and 1850, the Evenstad-furnace. The Evenstad-furnace was named after a farmer and sheriff in Stor-Elvdal in Norway, Ole Olsen Evenstad (1739-1806). He wrote a manuscript with very detailed descriptions about the production of bog iron, and the tools required in the process. The manuscript was translated to several languages, and it has been an important source of information on the subject.
This production process often took place some distance away from the farms, in areas where both iron ore and wood were available. The process starts off with gathering bog ore and wood, which should be left to dry for some time. The ore then needs to be roasted before the smelting can take place. The product you’re left with after the smelting contains some impurities, so it needs to be further processed in a forge before you’ve achieved making wrought iron, which was used in the production of nails, tools, and weapons among other things.
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@fatedtolive667
@fatedtolive667 Жыл бұрын
A people who remember and value their past, is a people for the ages. Deep respect.
@justdoingitjim7095
@justdoingitjim7095 Жыл бұрын
In all my years of hunting and fishing I've seen dozens of places like that bog. They had that "oily sheen" on top and the brown color too. I never would've guess you could make iron from it!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You should give up hunting and starting making iron instead!
@davidm8657
@davidm8657 Жыл бұрын
Hello from Pennsylvania in the United States. First, thanks for the great video and for keeping this traditional method alive. My region of Pennsylvania has quite a few Furnaces as well as lots of areas with Limekiln in their names. This lovely video made my history come to life. Keep up the wonderful work and it looks like a new generation has joined. Bravo!
@BCJerbs
@BCJerbs Жыл бұрын
Old world worked a lot harder for sure! It's amazing to see this process! Thank you so much for sharing this bit of history with us! Watching from the Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island in Canada! Cheers, Kimmers and Jerbs 👍🏽🇨🇦🔥
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
thank you for watching and leaving this kind comment :)
@kcribin5654
@kcribin5654 Жыл бұрын
Love the people and love this country. People of Norway, I salute you
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@TheTomBevis
@TheTomBevis Жыл бұрын
I've heard it said, that to live the American Dream, you need to move to Norway!
@lesseirgpapers9245
@lesseirgpapers9245 Жыл бұрын
Little Stoltenberg war mongers.
@stunnedatsunset7649
@stunnedatsunset7649 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating! It's good to see ancient skills have not been forgotten.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Ancient skills should not be forgotten!
@jeffreyyoung4104
@jeffreyyoung4104 Жыл бұрын
I have always been confused when people say raw iron is scarce, when it is all around us, especially in streams and rivers, and in this case, bogs! But as the gentleman said, they did not have magnets back then, and had to work a bit more to gather it. Where I find the most iron is when I am panning for gold, as gold and iron tend to follow the same path when being pushed down a stream bed.
@CAFFIENEHOUND
@CAFFIENEHOUND Жыл бұрын
Good quality, easy to work iron is much less common, but most places have something. The Japanese Katana was folded to mitigate problems caused by poor quality iron. Also, historically getting the fire hot enough, keeping the metal at the right temperature was not trivial.
@larsjern1448
@larsjern1448 Жыл бұрын
Idag är tid en bristvara. Tack för en mycket informativ och intressant tillbakablick hur det var förr i tiden.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Tusen takk! Hvis du likte denne anbefaler vi å sjekke ut vår film om Kullbrenning :)
@Soundhound101
@Soundhound101 Жыл бұрын
This was very interesting! What a lesson in early Ironworks in Scandinavia. Excellent film work. Thank you very much for making and sharing this. Also, hats off to the gentlemen who keep this tradition alive.
@shooter575
@shooter575 Жыл бұрын
In the American south pre Civil war Tennessee,Alabama and parts of Georgia were covered with small iron bloomeries. Locals called them Furnaces. Many of these locations are historic sites.They were all put out of business when the big steel companies got going using Iron Range ore. Great video BTW
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks for comments. Did they extract it in a similar way?
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks I believe so. At least one's just been refurbished to cast shells for the Russians 😏 (always consider the end delivery), as the usage is outstripping the supply six-to-one. Ore, sulphur, carbon, pour off the slag, the rest goes straight to a massive roller line, at least in Port Talbot, Wales. They filmed some of Harry Potter on the beach next door!
@garyblack8717
@garyblack8717 Жыл бұрын
It occurred to me that this process seems similar to the Blast Furnace technique that Bessemer perfected (most notably at Sloss Furnace in Birmingham. I sometimes wonder just how much low-grade iron ore is left in Red Mountain (It's still pretty red, after all!).
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@garyblack8717 The 1350 discovery used air injection. Jan van Helmont discovered oxygen in the mid 17th Century, then Bessemer started using it instead. There's an odd side-track, a family member was plant manager of a precious metals refinery in the 1980s, and led the team which made the Platinol-Cisplatin breakthrough a decade later. That, coincidentally, happened when his own niece was administered it in extremis. The odd thing is, both that work and van Helmont's original experiment was undertaken in a pre-chymical setting.
@affalada6868
@affalada6868 Жыл бұрын
They are all over Pennsylvania also we used to go and pick the cool colored slag chips
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
This is why iron prior to c1350 is only used in smaller pieces: plate armour needs a blast furnace. You could make maille from wire, and stitch plates onto a hauberk, but that was about it.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You are correct, thanks for interesting comment!
@theonlybuzz1969
@theonlybuzz1969 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful work and really interesting to see how iron came to life, I’m 50 yrs plus now and have wondered “how did we actually make basic iron itself” the iron smithies must have been a really skilled profession throughout history, after all if they made the iron from ore itself and gave customers products that they could use and would last so much longer than anything else, it had an enormous cost to it. When I retire in another 15yrs or so, I’ll add it to my things to visit around the world tour, looks so very interesting, thank you for sharing your work and knowledge to everyone else around the world. Thanks. Philip 🇬🇧
@jackking5567
@jackking5567 Жыл бұрын
That was really clever with regards the carbon content. So many go wrong at that stage. By keeping carbon within it, the metal became malleable and would not crumble due to being too clean and pure!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You've understood more than most from this video!
@vladimirfefer3328
@vladimirfefer3328 Жыл бұрын
So I looked up the book he references towards the end of the video ("A guy name Ole Evenstad who wrote down the entire process in detail"). It's called "Ole Evenstad's Treatise on the iron ore which is found in the bogs and marshes of Norway, and the method by which it is transformed into iron and steel (1790)" Or maybe thats what the translation calls it. Here's a great quote from it "A righteous man makes no secret of the knowledge which he discovers and owns which can promote the common good."
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Ole Evenstad was a great man!
@JacksonDunnoKnows
@JacksonDunnoKnows Жыл бұрын
That was amazing, truly inspiring. I'm a novice smith, and it's nice to be reminded how well off we are today. With steel being readily available in all shapes and sizes, not to mention the variety of steels we have. It can be easy to overlook what all went into the production of an iron bloom that size. This would be alot of fun to take part in, maybe one day. Ive seen on the black bear forge channel, John and a friend of his built a clay furnace to gain a bloom, that was very cool too. But this topped it in my book. Great work to you all, and thank you for keeping this special method alive today! 🍻
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this kind comment!
@wornoutwrench8128
@wornoutwrench8128 Жыл бұрын
I love watching stuff like this. If I lived there I would definitely love to help out one time. Unfortunately, I live far away. Greetings from Canada, Vancouver Island to be exact.
@tiddybearkush
@tiddybearkush Жыл бұрын
I had no idea you could get iron from myrmark in this kind of way. Super interesting.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Lmr6973
@Lmr6973 Жыл бұрын
Would to participate in this! It's important to keep the old ways alive.
@EastBayFlipper
@EastBayFlipper Жыл бұрын
Really cool to see this technology in practice, not just theory 🍻
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
thank you for watching and leaving this kind comment :)
@gregsutton2400
@gregsutton2400 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you so much.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@paullambert4445
@paullambert4445 Жыл бұрын
Really cool to see the progress. I am half Norwegian and love Scandinavian steel. I own many Scandi knives. Love what you do. I was also trained in history. Thanks.
@pflaffik
@pflaffik Жыл бұрын
And yet the old famous Norwegian swords were forged in Normandie (by Norse smiths) from steel from India or around there.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
We need a little more info and historical evidence to believe that claim.
@wayne00k
@wayne00k Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. But I have to laugh when I ask: how many discoveries have been made throughout history because a bunch of men can't resist playing with fire? Cheers
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Probably most of them
@dixonqwerty
@dixonqwerty Жыл бұрын
Fantastiskt vacker natur!!
@susanjaeger9851
@susanjaeger9851 Жыл бұрын
That was really interesting. Thanks for the post.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching
@Rubbernecker
@Rubbernecker Жыл бұрын
Veldig interessant! Takk for at du delte.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Tusen takk!
@johanholen6809
@johanholen6809 3 жыл бұрын
Mycket intressant film, Tack.
@_heliks
@_heliks 2 жыл бұрын
Selv takk :)
@JR-bj3uf
@JR-bj3uf Жыл бұрын
Keeping the old ways and the old skills alive. We shall need them.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Understanding the ways of the old world is never a bad thing. let's hope we don't need it :)
@ladedk
@ladedk Жыл бұрын
Tak for underteksterne :-)
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Bare hyggelig!
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Жыл бұрын
Jeg havde også været helt fortabt uden! Normalt har jeg ikke svært ved at forstå norsk, men…
@DefaultFlame
@DefaultFlame 11 ай бұрын
Underbart att se!
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
Ja!
@damnhandy
@damnhandy Жыл бұрын
You can still find plenty of bog iron in swampy parts of southern New Jersey, USA. The swamp water there is dark red.
@damnhandy
@damnhandy Жыл бұрын
@@stephenporth1879 No, it's the Virgin Mary having her period.
@victoryfirst2878
@victoryfirst2878 Жыл бұрын
Very nice work fellas. Shame I could not have been their to help you all. Good day from USA.
@occamraiser
@occamraiser Жыл бұрын
And that is why iron was so expensive and prized in the early iron-age. The effort and resources required to make a few Kg of iron was huge. In the Ancient Middle East an iron dagger was a gift fit for a king. (in the late Bronze age)
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You are correct. Though there are different ways to extract iron, and this can't possibly be the easiest one..
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks Much of the first work is thought to use meteoritic iron.
@ravenfeather7087
@ravenfeather7087 Жыл бұрын
Veldig bra gjort. Takk.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Takk fra vår side ihvertfall, tipper også Storkekkøya Jernbrennarlag også setter pris på trivelig tilbakemelding :)
@walterperry4565
@walterperry4565 Жыл бұрын
"THE IRONAGE" AMAZING VIDEO, THANKS,,,, FROM USA
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Maybe we can put that as the english title?
@walterperry4565
@walterperry4565 Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks yes, sure
@umahunter
@umahunter Жыл бұрын
Really cool to see how much work went into producing a small chunk of iron and amazing that people figured out how to do it long ago really cool process 👍👍👍
@varjen018
@varjen018 Жыл бұрын
Som boende i gammal svensk järnbygd, (vendel) så blev jag påmind om att jag velat göra något liknande länge nu. Tack!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Bare hyggelig!
@TheTgranber
@TheTgranber Жыл бұрын
Det var intressant! Tack ska ni ha!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Takk fra vår side ihvertfall, tipper også Storkekkøya Jernbrennarlag også setter pris på trivelig tilbakemelding :)
@patmancrowley8509
@patmancrowley8509 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@palfrodelarsen6342
@palfrodelarsen6342 Жыл бұрын
Du verden. En kan lure på hvor mange hundre år det gikk med prøving og feiling, før en fant ut hvordan dette skulle gjøres.
@tessjuel
@tessjuel Жыл бұрын
Vanskelig å si. Det har vært produsert jern fra myrmalm i Skandinavia i over 2000 år, kanskje til og med så lenge som 3000. Det er ikke så mange i live i dag som husker så langt tilbake. 😉 Men en ting vi vet, er at jern ble produsert i over tusen år før det vi regner som jernalderen, så det er vel rimelig å regne det som en prøve-og-feile-periode før de fant ut hvordan man kan produsere jern i såpass store mengder at det blir et praktisk anvendelig materiale.
@NomoEu
@NomoEu Жыл бұрын
Fantastisk at gutta fra Budal (og sikker noen jenter) står bak denne videoen. Sier mye om "stå på vilje" / evne til å tenke muligheter. Noen kaller det innovasjon.. Også betydelig innslag av humor!! Budal må besøkes, ikke bare Hauka som til nå. Knut (metallurg..!)
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Takk fra vår side ihvertfall, tipper også Storkekkøya Jernbrennarlag også setter pris på trivelig tilbakemelding :)
@AreHan1991
@AreHan1991 Жыл бұрын
Gøy! Hadde vært moro å se noe ferdig laget av jernet, kniv, øks eller liknende
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Takk fra vår side ihvertfall, tipper også Storkekkøya Jernbrennarlag også setter pris på trivelig tilbakemelding :) Hvis du drar til Budalen på sommeren bruker de faktisk å smi litt av det jernet de lager
@nofunclub
@nofunclub Жыл бұрын
Super interessant
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Tusen takk!
@madsandyalmond1838
@madsandyalmond1838 4 ай бұрын
What I find interesting is you use neither a bloomery nor charcoal and you appear to get a good bloom. I've been looking for a process that would have been used in Viking times. This process predates the Vikings by maybe 1000 years. 500 or more just based on the fall of the Roman Empire and and the start of the Viking era. Thankyou gentlemen.
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
You are very welcome!
@affalada6868
@affalada6868 Жыл бұрын
So much work to make a tool to ease life one task at a time
@hudson8865
@hudson8865 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jothamread
@jothamread Жыл бұрын
Great video.
@yako0000
@yako0000 Жыл бұрын
this is very interesting.
@ltsmx
@ltsmx 22 күн бұрын
turn on captions for this vid!
@anthonymctigue9038
@anthonymctigue9038 Жыл бұрын
WHAT A WONDERFUL SKILL TO HAVE ITS AMAZING WHAT CAN BE DONE.LONG LONG LONG LONG LIFE TO ALL OF YE MEN WONDERFUL WORK .BEST OF LUCK FROM ME IN WEST OF IRELAND .ITS AMAZING YOU WOULD WONder how first person thought of this .
@JustinDOehlke
@JustinDOehlke Жыл бұрын
Wonderful
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jamestregler1584
@jamestregler1584 Жыл бұрын
Cool thanks, I forged old New Orleans wrought iron in college had to heat it up way more than mild steel.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Cool!
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
All to do with loosening the phase structure. A very crystalline iron can be sharpened but is brittle, then the Saracens (possibly learned from the Far East) started damascening with wrought iron.
@chadachwilliam5515
@chadachwilliam5515 Жыл бұрын
Anything with the word “Bog” in it, has my attention.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thats funny!
@stevesyncox9893
@stevesyncox9893 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@briankleinschmidt3664
@briankleinschmidt3664 Жыл бұрын
I like learning new things.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
We all do! Thanks for the comment :)
@napleswolverine7189
@napleswolverine7189 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video so if we ever get knocked back into the Stone Age by all these politicians maybe we can get some iron too thanks again great video
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Let's hope we avoid that. But understanding how thinks were done before is always good to understand the present.
@rtqii
@rtqii Жыл бұрын
Bog iron is produced when pure dissolved iron encounters oxygen, and the iron hydroxide precipitates out. Iron accumulating bacteria grow in these bogs, and their enzymes are responsible for some of the iron chemistry, as well as the oily sheen.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Richard :)
@garychynne1377
@garychynne1377 Жыл бұрын
very interesting
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@papaown
@papaown Жыл бұрын
Seems very similar to the way some Japanese make tamahagane or however you spell it. Another close cousin would probably be wootz steel.
@ItreboR63I
@ItreboR63I Жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@ChristofferOrrmalmUtsi
@ChristofferOrrmalmUtsi Жыл бұрын
Det är finare att se hårt arbete än hur industrialisering kan förstöra kunskap, till skillnad från Sverige är Norge fortfarande ett unikum, sträck på er för bövelen nordbor, eder genuinitet kommer bidra till och vara en viktig nyckel för fortsatt överlevnad. Helt underbar video!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Tusen takk, selv om kommentaren i all hovedsak retter seg mot de fantastiske folkene i gjengen i Budalen som klarer å holde denne kunnskapen i hevd :)
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund Жыл бұрын
First time in years I’ve encountered a Norwegian dialect I can’t easily understand! (I am Danish.)
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
It's a lot of dialect.....
@ErikBramsen
@ErikBramsen Жыл бұрын
Same here.
@markneedham8726
@markneedham8726 Жыл бұрын
Brillliant. Coke to Ore ratio in a Cupola, is about 4 of Ore to 1 of Coke. ( by Weight)
@haraldgasterud7149
@haraldgasterud7149 Жыл бұрын
Hei. Har dere lest boka til Sveinug Gihle Raddum; Norge under Roma?
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Heisann! Nei, den har vi ikke lest. Er det mye interessant om jernblestring der?
@haraldgasterud7149
@haraldgasterud7149 Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks Om det er! Gihle Raddum er utdannet metallurg og skriver om hvordan Romerrriket for ca 2000 år siden fant jernmalm i myrene i Norge. Etter at stål og jern barrer ikke lenger kunne importeres fra Kina overførte de slaver og teknikk til Norge. Dette etter at andre hadde utforsket mulighetene i Norge tidligere. Han skriver også om folkevandringene over hele det Eurasiske kontinent og hvordan kineserne fant måten å utvikle stål. Det fører for langt å gå inn i detaljene her, men om bare halvparten av hva han skriver må vi revidere Norges tidlige historie. Boken anbefales på det varmeste!. PS! Jeg tror muligens forfatteren er død da han angivelig led av alvorlig sykdom.
@kallebirgersson710
@kallebirgersson710 Жыл бұрын
Fantastiskt att denna gamla fina kunskap ännu bevaras när så mycket annat tyvärr försvunnit
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Takk fra vår side ihvertfall, tipper også Storkekkøya Jernbrennarlag også setter pris på trivelig tilbakemelding :)
@korgen-rock
@korgen-rock 3 ай бұрын
I grove trekk, slik ble gjort under vikingtiden og ?
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
Det er meget sannsynlig ettersom prosessen i dette området har vært brukt siden før år 0.
@victorselingeraas3000
@victorselingeraas3000 Жыл бұрын
Hei! Veldig spennende film! Jeg ser dere tilsetter borax, og lurer på om det finnes i Norge? Eventuelt hvordan får man tak i det? Jeg er på utkikk etter borax til bruk i keramikk.
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
Nei, beklager. Du kan alternativt ta kontakt med Budalen jernblestringslag eller en smed :)
@victorselingeraas3000
@victorselingeraas3000 Ай бұрын
@@_heliks Takk for svar!
@oletorbenutstrand7959
@oletorbenutstrand7959 Жыл бұрын
Ikke rart jern var luksus på den tiden, 4-5 mann bruker dagevis på å lage en halvkilo jern!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Helt korrekt!
@hoenircanute
@hoenircanute Жыл бұрын
Manpower was not a luxury though..
@oletorbenutstrand7959
@oletorbenutstrand7959 Жыл бұрын
Depends I guess, always thought Norway was pretty underpopulated back then, but you are right, unskilled labour at least, was probably not a problem
@olorin7940
@olorin7940 Жыл бұрын
@@oletorbenutstrand7959 It very much depends on when back then is.. what period. Might have been said in the video but if so i missed it. Norway for obvious reasons couldn't support a population like Denmark or Sweden.
@vanhetgoor
@vanhetgoor Жыл бұрын
Het is leuk om te bemerken dat het Noorse woord voor "staal" ook gewoon "staal" is. Dat is waarschijnlijk de reden dat "Hoge Noren" ook van staal worden gemaakt.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
A lot of german in the norwegian language :)
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks Dit's nederlands. Ik ben vlaams-talig.
@waynetaylor5227
@waynetaylor5227 Жыл бұрын
try that here in the Iron Range of Minnesota
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
More iron in the bogs of Minnesota?
@artadams424
@artadams424 Жыл бұрын
This is about as exciting as watching paint dry…
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Since you made time to comment we would like to thank you by recommending this gem: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn2ygaydi8iUjKc
@polarisstar4958
@polarisstar4958 Ай бұрын
😎🤩👌
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
Tusen takk!
@johnkelly7264
@johnkelly7264 Жыл бұрын
This looks like a similar rpocess and product as the Japanese Tamahagane?.. I'm no expert, just what I (think) I see. So interesting anyway. Subbed here!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You might be right! We are not experts in japanese smithing
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks The Japanese had to stretch quality steel a long way, so add it as an edge quite late on in the tooling process. That being said, an expense-no-object katana was damascened, until they learned the Bessemer process. Chisels are still made old-school, because they have to resist blows.
@michaeljohnson8837
@michaeljohnson8837 Жыл бұрын
All the steps had to be figured out by someone.. think of all the trials and errors before the process was perfected .. who thought of digging up soil around oily patches of water to find iron ore ...
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
We assume they had a lot of time on there hands. This was before youtube :D
@michaeljohnson8837
@michaeljohnson8837 Жыл бұрын
@Heliks AS hahaha true true 🤣🤣🤣
@andrewlast1535
@andrewlast1535 Жыл бұрын
They seem like a rowdy bunch? Lol
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Rowdy? I must have a wrong perception of that word.. :)
@ivan55599
@ivan55599 5 ай бұрын
1:13 "It is not possible to observe this on plants or vegetation." "You can only see black color right where it flows out." "You have to find the ore to see the difference in color on plants, then it generally has a brown color to it." ---- So, is it possible to find ore by observing plants or not? 7:55 Why it is important to get the same distance from the center to the ore, as well as from the ore to the stone edge? And is there an english translation of this book?
@_heliks
@_heliks Ай бұрын
We understand the confussion. But he meant the general vegetation of the area, which is not affected. But there is some discoloration at the excact place were it seeps out.
@timhull8664
@timhull8664 Жыл бұрын
And you Use a Magnet, which one is called Magnesson.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Magnet?
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
Well, the descendants of Magnus Erlendsson are not Magnessons. I'm one.
@timhull8664
@timhull8664 Жыл бұрын
@Rahere it's a bad joke.. magnets.. 'magnetsson'. just missed ot the t..
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@timhull8664 Yes, that was kind of obvious, but every joke sets up a contrast to reality, and that one had another below the obvious which I could leverage to my own agenda. Science didn't suddenly spring up fully-armed like Cadmus' dragonsteeth in the middle of 17th Century. In fact, Isaac Newton wrote twice as much on the subject as he did on physics! Whether three-crop rotation or basic metallurgy, the empirical was miles ahead of the liminatory, which in 1618 was four-element Paracelsianism. This was refuted in van Helmont's 1618 experiment (if you don't know what that was, look it up, the most astonishing experimental write-up of all time), forcing him to restart using empirical observation for the first time. The fruit of his celebration of new-found wealth, Franz Mercurius van Helmont, became Leibnitz' mentor. In researching Brussels' unique claims in the subject (it's the only place it's reported to have worked repeatedly, with documentary corroboration), and with the strong suspicion they had an electric generator to hand (correct, two hundred years before Faraday: there is one, and only one, documented 3500 years ago), this was one of a fistful of corroboration data points supporting the hypothesis - well, it's kind of obvious if you think. I'm doing it this way because outright claims violate a norm which has no solid foundation in fact.
@timhull8664
@timhull8664 Жыл бұрын
​@Rahere my family history is feudal, we worked the land, were totally impoverished, and working with iron was way above our pay grade.. thanks for the input..
@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025
@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025 Жыл бұрын
Not to put anyone's safety at risk, but with this many men and that much fire around, I would think beer would part of the recipe. jus' sayin' is all...
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
You're probably right!
@artadams424
@artadams424 Жыл бұрын
Them Norwegians, they are an enthusiastic people…
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
We truly are!
@gardnep
@gardnep Жыл бұрын
Iron Age never died
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Certainly being kept alive in Budalen, Norway :)
@timhallas4275
@timhallas4275 Жыл бұрын
Today 15 men can produce 500 tons of iron per month, using natural gas to smelt and forge.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Seems a little like cheating compared to this..
@IldenMelder
@IldenMelder Жыл бұрын
hvorfor er alle komentarene på engelsk???
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Fordi de som har kommentert har valgt å skrive sine kommentarer på engelsk. Vi antar fordi det er deres morsmål, uten at vi kan være 100% sikre på det.
@IldenMelder
@IldenMelder Жыл бұрын
@@_heliks ååååjaaaaaaaa Det hadde jeg ikke tenkt på
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 Жыл бұрын
Their remote ancestors would be utterly perplexed. When you can just go BUY far superior iron any time and as much as you like . . . why do all that work ?. "Leisure" and "Entertainment" we would answer. And they would not understand.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
And also keeping the knowledge alive and being able to teach it to later generations :)
@ErgonBill
@ErgonBill Жыл бұрын
I've watched many attempts at creating quality blooms using ancient techniques. Most have failed. Should have done their homework more diligently.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
It's not for everyone, takes a lot of hard work. But the iron here is actually possible to use.
@Traderjoe
@Traderjoe Жыл бұрын
I don’t really understand why this is done. There’s really zero chance that we will ever lose the ability to extract iron from the ground. Iron is the most common element on the earth.
@torgrimhanssen5100
@torgrimhanssen5100 Жыл бұрын
If you followed the explanation, if there is sand mixed in with it, you will not get forgeable iron. This is a museum, having a theoretical understanding is not enough in a post apocalyptic world where you lose your heavy industry that extracts pure malm from rock and forge it with electricity. All it takes is an intense solar storm and electricity is over, or in the worst case WW3 with high atmospheric nuclear detonations for the purpose of producing EMP for the same effect. Also, you can NOT reprocess iron into fine goods such as surgical steel etc, you need virgin iron for that process. (with few exceptions).
@dragnwood
@dragnwood Жыл бұрын
I have read that early men threw iron ore into the fire for 300,000 years before they ever got iron: they were going for red and yellow pigments for body paints and colors for pots and magical paintings. I think it might take a long time to "remember" the process again. Good thing these guys are keeping track of the process!
@Rhythm911
@Rhythm911 Жыл бұрын
I almost made it to the end ... But For a guy that brags about his 'family' and '30 years' ... 'experience' ... while arrogantly 'shutting down' his two elders who, probably, have been doing it longer than that !!! What a Narcissist !!!
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
There might be some imperfections in the translation and editing there. There's no shutting down of anyone :)
@pflaffik
@pflaffik Жыл бұрын
Why he mix Jesus into this? Theres no indication that Jesus was crucified, but rather impaled. Historical facts gives no clue to crucifixion, while impalement was used throughout the old world for several millennia.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
History is a little fuzzy on the whole existence of Jesus in the first place, so we let it slide.
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
There's a school of eucharistic alchemy behind early chymistry. Just consider the Escorial, I suspect they were using the only pre-Faraday electric source.
@colingarden2844
@colingarden2844 Жыл бұрын
IS THE WATER POTABLE?, AS AN IRON TONIC?, IS THE OIL FROM THE IRON?.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
This is PURE guesswork from someone who doesn't know much: I would guess you'd be fine after a 1 or 2 Iron tonics. Any more isn't advisable, can't be good having that much iron rooting around your system :)
@rtqii
@rtqii Жыл бұрын
The oil is produced by bacteria that naturally grow in iron bogs, they metabolize iron and produce the oily sheen. The oily sheen is an indicator of a rich bog iron deposit.
@TinMan0555
@TinMan0555 Жыл бұрын
One should realize, the development of this process is what became that period we call “ The Iron Age” . But imagine how many years-decades-centuries of trial and error it took just to get to the stage we see demonstrated here. That you all for sharing, I salute you all……..🫡
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
This was before youtube, so there wasn't anything else to do than trying different ways of drying bogs :D
@henrymorrey4150
@henrymorrey4150 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@keithmilburn4866
@keithmilburn4866 Жыл бұрын
In England we call it Iron Water.
@_heliks
@_heliks Жыл бұрын
That makes sense, thanks for sharing!
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