I love both these people. Shang Chi was such a delight, and Simu was so good in it. Likewise for Matrix Resurrections. I really enjoyed the film, and Jessica's character Bugs was easily the best new addition. They both have a bright future ahead of them.
@kelvinmathew60763 жыл бұрын
Matrix Resurrections sucked big time.
@Cangaca7773 жыл бұрын
Didn't watch Shang-Chi yet. loved the new Matrix, very clever and smooth sequel!
@joeygonzo3 жыл бұрын
@@Cangaca777 didn't watch, not watched
@ultimatezeno34493 жыл бұрын
Bugs was great. Love her character.
@wa-bu3ke3 жыл бұрын
@@kelvinmathew6076 Yeah but she would have had a tiny role if she did Shang Chi
@dhineshsasidaran43103 жыл бұрын
Jessica Henwick is such an underrated acctress. She basically carried the Iron Fist series on her shoulders.
@MotorCityPhoenix3133 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Jessica was 100% the only good thing in that train wreck of a show.
@johnpolanco26163 жыл бұрын
I liked Ward too
@2gatsuuga3 жыл бұрын
She really did cause Finn was trash
@cheekyboomboom89733 жыл бұрын
Yessss, she 100% carried that show -- the only actor/character from it I really wanna see back in the MCU.
@scootle743 жыл бұрын
This. So much This. Other than Jessica, that show was a disaster.
@Michaelkoa773 жыл бұрын
Marvel needs to give Jessica a big starring role. She deserves it, how she gives life to underwhelming projects.
@theam60203 жыл бұрын
True , she was the best part of the iron fist and matrix ressurections.
@LordStaind3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Was gonna comment and saw yours. She has so much talent and would definitely be awesome in the next Shang Chi movie or any Marvel role.
@hermesjumanji22843 жыл бұрын
She’s Colleen Wing cause the marvel shows are now in the MCU
@lightup67512 жыл бұрын
Honestly. She likely wants to be cast in something more demanding than a marvel or flick movie. The movies are fun dont get me wrong. But typically not what actors consider their ambition or wanna be remembered by.
@danf80473 жыл бұрын
Simu has this amazing ability to talk to people and connect, his interviews are never boring, that's called charm and this man will go far imo.
@eduardoarmenta92323 жыл бұрын
Since the very first interview I saw of him I noticed that... This guy is going places.
@Buckheimer3 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoarmenta9232 he is already at those places my guy. Lets keep him there! He deserves everything
@JR-ju3kj3 жыл бұрын
It's charm AND it's charisma. Some people have it and some people just don't.I always say that I think that a lot of things can be taught but that I don't think charisma is one of them-again,you either have it or you don't.
@namjoonie06133 жыл бұрын
Simu uses the word "assets & liabilities". He really is an accountant 😅
@nithinravi44013 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Optimusprime8093 жыл бұрын
Haha that old life will haunt him forever XD
@samukings31383 жыл бұрын
Accounting is boring
@hmw41663 жыл бұрын
@@samukings3138 But it's needed and useful
@szewei853 жыл бұрын
Haha i left Accounting 10 years ago and i glad i did
@anthonygarcia39223 жыл бұрын
I hope she returns to Marvel, I think she did great in iron fist and I think she has potential for a greater role.
@elvensmack33333 жыл бұрын
if she returns I accept the return only as Colleen. Her being someone else...that would be just fuxkin sad
@angelquiles93813 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, she is amazing.
@kingmanic3 жыл бұрын
@@elvensmack3333 She is oddly perfect of Leiko Wu, but now the precedent is set it's likely she'd go back as Colleen.
@FuzzyVids3 жыл бұрын
Well the door has been opened
@har58143 жыл бұрын
That season 2 cliffhanger of Iron fist. Hope she returns as Coleen.
@yolandagumede34563 жыл бұрын
I love their chemistry. I want them in a modern day rom-com together.
@tankshot32563 жыл бұрын
Love triangle with Henry Golding
@1999-m1b3 жыл бұрын
And she was asked for a audition to be his sister...
@har58143 жыл бұрын
She could be in Shang-chi, but she chose to be in the Matrix 4 instead.
@pooglechen32513 жыл бұрын
Shang chi 2! Jessica shows up and Simu has to choose between Jess or Katy! 😋😋
@shivamjaiswal4393 жыл бұрын
That's not a bad idea.
@simpanneton3 жыл бұрын
I would have watched an hour of this, easy. Both these actors are fantastic and I hope they get to make something together some day...
@gray-fox67893 жыл бұрын
This interview is so honest, humble, down to earth conversations between two rising asian stars. I would watch this for an infinite times if there ever was lol. I wish them all the best, love their chemistry! ❤️❤️❤️
@CesarIsaacPerez3 жыл бұрын
That white dress!!! That red suit!!! They both look amazing. Loved the interview. It was really cool.
@Optimusprime8093 жыл бұрын
They've just met but they speak as if they've been friends for years! Simu is just too overpowered man, can't hate the guy! And Jess is a gem as always.
@Blackcanvasart3 жыл бұрын
8:17 what I love about Simu is how much of an actual person he his. There’s gets to a point where a celebrity becomes… a celebrity. Where they loose their grounded nature. It’s unfortunate that his increase of fame might come at the price of how close he is with us, but it’s understandable
@caph2o223 жыл бұрын
Man... Jessica's smile can really melt the heart. What a beautiful woman.
@KalvinPatel3 жыл бұрын
Love this conversation!
@sullyeeet67153 жыл бұрын
my left ear sure did
@Daemon1995_3 жыл бұрын
funny how Jesscia turned down a role in Shang Chi which apparently might have been playing his Sister
@mandeepkumarray90503 жыл бұрын
Apparently matrix ressuraction sucked. Now don't blame me , I haven't seen the movie yet ... But i watched 3-4 reviews. It's not like worst but it wasn't good enough .
@OldkidLivegen3 жыл бұрын
They have good chemistry. They should definitely be in a movie together
@Dhbdhjdbd3 жыл бұрын
@@mandeepkumarray9050 go watch the movie and build up your own opinion rather than writing garbage that sucked.
@Superion743 жыл бұрын
Jessica Henwick is such a beautiful and talented actress. I really hope her character Colleen Wing will make her way into MCU, specifically with Simu's Shang Chi, because Marvel can use her amazing performance once again.
@Swenglish3 жыл бұрын
If she just turned up at Xialing's place, she wouldn't even need an introduction for people who didn't watch the Netflix shows. It's such a natural fit. She's been in an underground fighting ring before. She's an enhanced fighter. The audience can infer how they might know each other, and there's a super easy reason to establish her powers. Like, here she is, she's a fighter, she's got powers, the rest will fall into place as needed. Then it's just a matter of letting the audience get to know the character like they would any other character who doesn't have those elements.
@har58143 жыл бұрын
If only her character returns in MCU like Kingpin and Matt Murdock.
@davidn.30173 жыл бұрын
probably not, that Iron Fist show is very bad, hopefully she return to play different character.
@Swenglish3 жыл бұрын
@@davidn.3017 Season 1 was weak. Not because of her character. She was consistently good in it, and season 2 was a huge improvement. If the MCU needs an iron fist, it would make sense to bring back Colleen instead of Danny, or to briefly bring back Danny just to kill him off and pass the torch to her. In spite of all the flaws of that show, Colleen Wing is a character worth bringing back if the story calls for it. It would make sense now that the canon floodgates have been officially opened and the underground superpowered martial arts scene has been established.
@appal50523 жыл бұрын
@@har5814 Really we just need all the great actors and actresses in those shows, in the MCU and we’re set for the Disney+ side of things. Jessica Jones, Punisher, Colleen, Luke Cage, and the Daredevil supporting cast.
@Revenger3rdUnit3 жыл бұрын
They should do a film together. You can feel the chemistry they both have
@jonsnow78443 жыл бұрын
Jessica, you were the best thing about Matrix Resurrections. Well done! I wish you were the proper protagonist. And I would watch a Matrix sequel with you as the protagonist. Looking forward to seeing more of you on the screen in any role. :)
@ZafVirex3 жыл бұрын
Hollywood needs to greenlight a film with these two. They have great chemistry!
@UKnowWhoIAm_13 жыл бұрын
damn she’s been in almost everything Game of Thrones, Star Wars, Iron Fist/Defenders & now Matrix. All she needs now is a role in a DC movie
@1world2coexist3 жыл бұрын
Yup, she said it, she hustles for the next job.
@4fawksake7073 жыл бұрын
i wanna see her in The Witcher 😁
@starr04013 жыл бұрын
Might as well get on Star Trek too
@WheeledHamster3 жыл бұрын
Is that all know? How about Love and Monsters, Underwater.
@JR-ju3kj3 жыл бұрын
She should be in the planned G.I. Joe reboot that's supposed to follow the Snake-Eyes movie,too.
@xtra_aco3 жыл бұрын
They're both so down to earth despite having blown up with their careers. I hope they stay that way
@cr-it5lh3 жыл бұрын
arrogance so early would destroy their career
@Timly1393 жыл бұрын
I like Jessica. She should be in shang chi 2.
@Krmayx3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@elvensmack33333 жыл бұрын
but only as Colleen
@cybustermod3 жыл бұрын
Hope she comeback as immortal Ironfist like from Ironfist ss2
@FuzzyVids3 жыл бұрын
@@cybustermod I mean the show left it there so why not!
@sirmarshall95213 жыл бұрын
Her being the MCU Iron Fist? I wouldn't be mad at it.
@cyphus53 жыл бұрын
Based on their chemistry, she would've definitely gotten the role in Shang-Chi. They need to bring Colleen Wing back into the MCU. Simu, help make that happen.
@reubenfelix20283 жыл бұрын
She kinda indirectly is (iron fist)
@lightup67512 жыл бұрын
Honestly. She likely wants to be cast in something more demanding than a marvel movie. The movies are fun dont get me wrong. But not what 99% of all actors consider their ambition.
@bendjinzau24953 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most enjoyable and genuine conversation I have seen between actors. Love it !
@DrewDeLand3 жыл бұрын
What a great conversation and these 2 need to be in all movies lol.
@LeeMubai333 жыл бұрын
I think we will see Colleen and Shang together on screen eventually. Their chemistry is off the charts.
@dreamin_between3 жыл бұрын
Yeah who needs Danny Rand anyway
@thatrandomcomment9683 жыл бұрын
@@dreamin_between right? Nobody.
@thatrandomcomment9683 жыл бұрын
Would be amazing if Fiege put Colleen to be the oficial Iron Fist in the MCU. Jessica deserves that so much.
@kermitbq3 жыл бұрын
have shangchi accidentally killed danny rand in shangchi 2… there you go fiege
@TheSomeawesome3 жыл бұрын
@@thatrandomcomment968 Colleen is basically the Iron Fist by the end of season 2, so that's honestly the logical way to move forward.
@Sune3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed seeing these two discuss these topics!
@KewpieGirl3 жыл бұрын
omg I love both,, great conversations but I think they should do films or tv series togeather in the future!
@lauriearaga64333 жыл бұрын
Okay, these two need to be in a project together. They have such good chemistry! Also, I kinda like them together. Simu is handsome as always, and Jessica my God she’s beautiful and THAT DRESS? 😍 Her make up & hair? *chefs kiss* 💯 give that stylist a raise!
@biljancanin3 жыл бұрын
Her smile literally makes me smile...
@krysisstorm27033 жыл бұрын
I think Simu and Jessica would make a great movie together. They have very good chemistry. Maybe a romantic comedy?
@davidn.30173 жыл бұрын
yea, i could watch them talk about stuffs for hours, it's entertaining, the personalities just click and they seem understand each other well.
@lieutenantkettch3 жыл бұрын
Have Shang Chi guest in a Daughters of the Dragon series episode.
@Exarkun773 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one want to see these two end up together?
@lordingus3 жыл бұрын
great set up for Shang Chi 2. Colleen falls in love with Shang since Katy is just a friend :P
@amirbaharudin9043 жыл бұрын
Wow, I didn’t know that I need this interview in my life. Couldn’t stop smiling. Fantasy couple for future Rom Com!
@jjstarrprod3 жыл бұрын
2 of the loveliest people in the showbiz at the moment ! Both were phenomenal in their respective movies, and I sure would love to see Jessica join in the fun of a sequel of Shang Chi or a Disney+ show of the Ten Rings.
@rc....3 жыл бұрын
Loveliest based on what? Based on all these staged interviews? Not saying they aren't lovely but based on what?
@darthduckyreports863 жыл бұрын
My god, she is absolutely stunning and seems to have an amazing personality (well, on screen personality).
@gregkrazanski3 жыл бұрын
this was an amazing conversation!!!!!!!!! i think she's going to get a boatload of work going forward, she's amazing on screen in matrix 4!
@carlosjsb3 жыл бұрын
Jessica is an amazing actress and a gorgeous woman! She is incredibly beautiful!
@brandonvang28933 жыл бұрын
These two had great chemistry too! I want to see them together in something now!
@mac319033 жыл бұрын
right away you can tell that they have chemistry 🥰
@THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO3 жыл бұрын
"It's an access point into our culture..." Such an awesome and positive perspective. There are too many Asians out there who feel that "that's all we're known for," but be damn proud of it. I'm Asian and a lot of times growing up I got the, "I bet you know Karate/ Martial Arts," and so on. If I didn't know {have it in my blood] I would've proudly said yes and hope they don't beat my ass. LOL! But seriously, Martial Arts runs very rich in our culture and those who feel ashamed of it should reconsider and start empowering themselves with a strong history of being warriors and more-so, Protectors.
@JohnHandemPiette3 жыл бұрын
Jessica absolutely slays in Matrix, iconic role!! Who else is ‘shipping these two as hard as I am 😍?
@golik1333 жыл бұрын
Yeah she is very pretty 😍
@sage.rivendell3 жыл бұрын
Bs! She was stupid!
@satinsolstice3 жыл бұрын
Damn within the first 20 seconds you can feel their chemistry is off the charts
@pnwajs35323 жыл бұрын
I do want her to land a part in the MCU, even if it's not to play as Colleen Wing again. I am happy she didn't take the part of Shang-Chi's sister, as that would be a role that only exists in Shang-Chi films. I want Jessica to play a hero that can be in a lot of Marvel projects. Personally I want her to land the role of Psylocke in the eventual MCU X-Men films.
@coreyanderson55633 жыл бұрын
She is so full of herself
@ej80713 жыл бұрын
@@coreyanderson5563 as she should
@UporaFilms3 жыл бұрын
PERFECT FOR BETSY BRADOCK!!!!!!
@clintbrew3 жыл бұрын
She was up for a role of Xu xailing in Shang-chi but turn it down for the matrix cus she was hoping to play coleen wing again in the mcu
@lightup67512 жыл бұрын
Honestly. She likely wants to be cast in something more demanding than a marvel or flick movie. The movies are fun dont get me wrong. But typically not what actors consider their ambition or wanna be remembered by.
@ExMajorX3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview. I'm in the "make Colleen Iron Fist in Shang Chi 2" camp. I know there are a ton of Danny Rand fans out there, but she was *SO* great as Colleen.
@cheekyboomboom89733 жыл бұрын
Jessica Henwick was easily the stand-out of Iron Fist and I've heard she's the best part of this Matrix. Can't wait to see her in The Gray Man and Knives Out 2 as well. Love her.
@JoeBeer023 жыл бұрын
I really admire them both, and love the characters they play
@Towkeeyoh3 жыл бұрын
As we're reading in the comments here, may the internet gods make this rom com happen! They're adorable!
@xtrafe59533 жыл бұрын
This interview just made me smile, and I'm still smiling. :)
@Quandryification3 жыл бұрын
There definitely needs to be a movie with these 2.
@alexsantos59483 жыл бұрын
Her smile...her accent...enough said.
@deepz5133 жыл бұрын
He so knowledgeable ..I get he is full of wisdom and good at heart too
@coscrupi3 жыл бұрын
Iron Fist & Shang Chi ....finally together. What an absolutely beautiful woman 💖
3 жыл бұрын
Jessica Henwick is a great actress and Simu Liu is a nice guy
@twothirdsanexplosive3 жыл бұрын
This is great. Interesting questions from two people thinking about their place in culture, their background, and their careers.
@aldomontiel60003 жыл бұрын
They have great chemestry, hope Jessica keeps doing Coleen, but if thats not the case she should Be in Shang Shi 2.
@kinanswer3 жыл бұрын
My left ear thanks you for this great interview.
@MisterWub3 жыл бұрын
I could watch her talk for hours. She is so beautiful!
@San-pv2 жыл бұрын
both were great, i love both of them, great artists, this was a great talk
@mizuxsion3 жыл бұрын
this was an AWESOME interview! i can't wait to see more of them and other Asians within the community getting more spotlight
@lovebloom9233 жыл бұрын
After seeing Matrix Resurrections I personally felt that she was the secret star of the film and now she is my all time fav English actress! 🤗💖
@ray.b.753 жыл бұрын
So much chemistry between these two!
@Bernsong3 жыл бұрын
They both deserved the success they are having right now and really wish Marvel get her back. And I love her as Bugs as she is the only interesting character in Matrix Ressurections.
@le_maxarus3 жыл бұрын
she is, because she is the only character that behaves like a character of matrix movie. she is a blue pill within the movie. hence, her blue hair.
@rogerhenry64893 жыл бұрын
Great interview. They both seem so chill and grounded. Hopefully they'll get to do a project together at some point.
@pikeyMcBarkin3 жыл бұрын
Really loved this video. Thank you everyone involved.
@andylikesstuffchannel Жыл бұрын
She's a Beauty 😍
@joshuahng13 жыл бұрын
This was so good
@BenyaminLorit3 жыл бұрын
Colleen as the main Iron Fist would be great. I hope they bring her back in the fold. The series ended with her being the crime-fighter by the end so I really think it would fit nicely and Danny could still exist elsewhere just travelling or finding his way back into K'un-Lun.
@mikejaxx77913 жыл бұрын
Her & Danny both had the power of the iron fist at the end of season 2. They need a real Asian/American actor as Danny though. That was the problem with the show & poor fight scenes. I love collen, but she should NOT be the MAIN iron fist imo. I still want her in the mcu somehow regardless if she plays collen or a new character
@BenyaminLorit3 жыл бұрын
@@mikejaxx7791 Danny Rand was never an asian-american so they don't really need to change anything and it wasn't "the problem" with the show so much as it was the writing/execution. And why do they even need to change Danny's race anyway? Because he's associated to martial arts? If so , then that only furthers the asian stereotype brought up in this conversation. Part of Danny Rand's character was being a white guy of privilege who's thrust into an ancient culture where he's essentially stripped off everything and has to prove himself by working extra hard in a foreign land to be worthy of the Iron Fist. It won't be right to take that away, and I say this as an asian guy myself.
@mikejaxx77913 жыл бұрын
@@BenyaminLorit I feel it would be better if he was mixed for diversity but I did think he was an Asian guy raised in America. Thanks for informing me. So u prefer them to keep it strictly to comics??
@BenyaminLorit3 жыл бұрын
@@mikejaxx7791 yes, I often advocate for keeping things as close as *reasonably* possible to the source as it's always important to keep the essence of these characters intact. Diversity is necessary and can be good but diversity for diversity's sake and done at the expense of what a character is about is a no-no for me. Like for example, "The Batman" changing Gordon and Catwoman's race for me is perfectly fine because it doesn't affect the core of their characters but to change someone like Iron Fist who's race is pivotal to his character and story would be like changing Black Panther to a white guy. It won't be the same person in essence. Shang-Chi has already been updated perfectly to provide the asian-american perspective that you're asking for and he exists as the other side of the coin opposite Danny Rand's. In my opinion, having them team-up and be friends like in the comics is the way to go because there's opportunity to explore the dynamic of two characters with opposite origins but yeah, I'm not sure that's what the studio wants for the character of Shang-Chi.
@mikejaxx77913 жыл бұрын
@@BenyaminLorit I agree 100% I would love for them to team up as well. They do have a tendency of changing certain things & I hope you're right & they go that route with shang-chi & ironfist. It would be amazing. I just want them to get him right this time & finally get his suit for crying out loud lol
@bluehippofilms3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Jessica Henwick just passed her screen test for Shang-Chi 2 with this interview
@pyrobison20023 жыл бұрын
Noooo shit lol
@TheKaijuHunter3 жыл бұрын
When Marvel first announced that they were making a Shang-Chi movie I was hoping they would cast Jessica Henwick having watched Iron Fist. Thought she was great in it. Hopefully, she'll be in the sequel.
@newbro3 жыл бұрын
I love her as Bugs in Matrix Resurrection, she was like cool but has a beauty quality with her at the same time.
@AGVME3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Simu x Jessica Henwick love story in Shang-Chi 2 or in another film, don't care. I feel their chemistry
@ariprabowo853 жыл бұрын
My left ear thoroughly enjoyed the conversation.
@mageeaaron26243 жыл бұрын
So cool to see these great actors talking to one another. So satisfying!!
@YHWGA3 жыл бұрын
After I watch the matrix 4. I cant stop look at Jessica beautiful eyes.
@chazertronfivethousand44253 жыл бұрын
Jessica is a megastar. The world needs to catch up more.
@sampras92163 жыл бұрын
Amazing Jessica H. And Simu L.!!! And i Hope they are in the same movies in the future for sure!!! Matrix 5? Shang shi 2? Colleen Wing ? Happy holidays everyone !!!!😀🙏
@wildcard043 жыл бұрын
My left ear really liked this
@DannyBoydPhoto3 жыл бұрын
Totally appreciate the last question / answers.
@CharacterMedia3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@DannyBoydPhoto2 жыл бұрын
@Simu Liu NYC. I visit Toronto tomorrow
@fawli863 жыл бұрын
my left ear really loved the character conversations.
@allanvelez32033 жыл бұрын
I can see these two together in the next Shang Chi film
@eduardoarmenta92323 жыл бұрын
Thanks to this interview we can see how that chemistry read would've gone.... They're amazing together.
@zookytar2 жыл бұрын
If she was being considered for the sister role... this chemistry would have been wasted. Hope she gets to play a kickass love interest for him and a hero in her own right.
@Yatsua3 жыл бұрын
She was the only one reason that I continued watching Iron Fist
@muddabuwshi3 жыл бұрын
I really hope she makes it back too the mcu.
@kle22173 жыл бұрын
She should play someone like Psylocke in an MCU X-men movie! I didn’t know her last name was pronounced without the “w” in it.
@keywordxo53783 жыл бұрын
This was interesting to watch, much to my surprise. Let's see more of these 2 together. Maybe in a movie?
@sgitn36733 жыл бұрын
You did great, Jessica. Smart that she read the script. Loved the movie!
@labalo53 жыл бұрын
She’s unbelievably gorgeous
@labalo52 жыл бұрын
@Simu Liu thanks Simu. We are from the states…and look forward to more of your movies and meeting you.
@seven920233 жыл бұрын
She is one of the very few good things about Matrix Resurrections.
@JR-ju3kj3 жыл бұрын
She was one of the very few good things about Iron Fist,too. I think that The Matrix Resurrections was a completely unnecessary movie.Hollywood always has that problem-they don't know when to leave something alone and as it is.
@rising_tide10633 жыл бұрын
both are so good with their respective movie roles
@oneorangebraincell2 жыл бұрын
Where's part two? We need it!!
@jeffbandy7065 Жыл бұрын
100% right...the entire world did fall in love with Jessica in that role. After watching this, I love both of these actors even more. Just watched Jessica's Bus Girl short in which she wrote and directed it and she is perfection! I would love to see Colleen Wang in her own show for Marvel! Nothing but the best for these two in what I hope are long and bright careers!
@DepecheModeDaddy3 жыл бұрын
I see a dream team here !! Love both these guys ! Can’t wait to see them do a film together!
@lawrencekin023 жыл бұрын
They look cute together. Who knows, these two actors may have something beautiful between them :)
@letterstoalice Жыл бұрын
Henwick is so fucking cool
@nijinanintshi14523 жыл бұрын
She's too beautiful ❤️
@adiCT03163 жыл бұрын
I love them both!!! ❤️❤️❤️
@Bee_Mavrick3 жыл бұрын
Yes. She was perfect for Shang chi.
@davidtan7433 жыл бұрын
in 10:52 that comic strip isn't of Shang-Chi that's Kong Kenan the Superman of China. The guy on the right even says his name in the speech bubble.
@ridethasno3 жыл бұрын
Jessica has it all. She’s the personification of smart and sexy. Even Simu is praying one of those cards has her phone number.