Jesus in the Old Testament and the Reliability of Scripture | The Russell Moore Show

[@judyogle8330]

Raised Baptist and so thankful for the teaching of grace, that I would not be saved by works, that I could not live a good enough life for salvation, and yet...... it's still in the teaching in the church, even in the "spirit-filled" Bible school and churches that if good happens, we have done good and if bad happens, we have sinned (Job's friends!) and are being punished. It's right there as she pointed out with the disciples saying "who sinned?" I have to wonder if that thinking is both very human and a tool/ploy of the adversary - the object being to bring a Halt to the faith in God that connects us to the Power of God. After all, in that first instance that I believed, there was the dunamis to be born again! to become a new creature in Christ!

[@CarlaJeanneVornheder]

We don't teach as Baptists. We teach grace and truth both, because the Bible teaches both equally. Grace is necessary for salvation, and attempts at good work is evidence that we have truly received God's grace.

[@robinmcfarland3226]

I love Nancy's profound love and joy of Christ, and how she thirsts after ever greater understanding. Inspiring interview.

[@debcushing2184]

Definitely going to look for this author. Her love for Jesus and God's word is contagious. Encouraged, not brow beaten.

[@margerybritton793]

My mom could not speak after her stroke, but she could sing hymns with me because they were in her memory….

[@suzettecarvin970]

At 78 my eyes tire quickly. Committed to beginning with audio. I move to hardcopy for focusing. When listening I hear things that I didn't pickup on in the many times I've read the passage.

[@Clynnbfree]

How refreshing to hear this conversation! Thank you Nancy, for so many nuggets of truth. I wrote down… the closer scrutiny we give the Bible the more it holds up…One Divine Author ! Thanks to you both for this encouragement today.

[@krittab]

So so good! Thank you, thank you. 🙏🏼

[@cgpcgp3239]

I like podcast bc of morality matches mine. not religious. however the closer the scrutiny of the bible the less it holds up.

[@HearGodsWord]

Their morality matches God's Word.

[@cgpcgp3239]

@ My morality matches common sense for survival of human species. Even other primantes have a sense of fairness and loyalty. Morality in Old Testament is the morality of the tribes in the region. Every ethnic group around the world that ever existed had similar rules found in 10 commandments. Humans evolved to be competitive and cooperative for survival. I should have said MOST of their morality matches mine. Their morality on role of women and gay marriage does not match mine. There are contradictions in the Bible starting with the 2 creation myths that differ in details. If it’s the word of God how can both be true?

[@HearGodsWord]

@cgpcgp3239 There aren't two contradicting creation accounts. To think that would be to misread God's Word.

[@cgpcgp3239]

@ Really. Do you want me to give you the citations that differ? Every time someone no they don’t show citation. I show them the citation I never hear from them again. If you don’t know they differ you read stories with blinders on.

[@HearGodsWord]

@cgpcgp3239 Sure, give the citations for the apparently two different creation accounts, and I'll correct your misunderstanding.

[@hollyshippy7417]

There is no "literal" Jesus or Christ in the Hebrew scriptures. None. The interpretive gymnastics one has to do to read Jesus into the Hebrew scriptures is enough to make Jews either scratch their heads or laugh. Verses are taken completely out of their literary, cultural and historical context to read any Christology into the Hebrew scriptures. It's like reading the Scofield Bible and being told in the footnotes that Dispensationalism is also in the Hebrew scriptures. It's not. Salvation for Jews has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus. For Jews salvation ins the survival of their Jewish identity into perpetuity, which they've done an incredible job achieving. There is also no heaven or hell in the Hebrew scriptures as taught in the Christian scriptures. There is no eternal punishment for finite sins. And the whole idea of forgiving one's enemies is reversed with eternal punishment. The only scriptures the Jews actually translated into the Greek were the five books ... Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy ... that make up the Torah. The rest of the Hebrew scriptures, including the prophecies, were translated by non-Jews or Gentiles. And the errors and misrepresentations used to reverse engineer Jesus into the Hebrew scriptures is appalling. There are verses in the Christian scriptures claiming to be quotes from the Hebrew scriptures which aren't even there. Jesus is not the Jewish messiah, and the "logos" mentioned in the Gospel of John is not a mere "particle of speech" as Christians are taught, but a Greek philosophical concept. And the only way a Greek philosophical concept can be walking around Nazareth in robe and sandals is through pure fictionalized history and myth. My husband and I both attended Bible college, and know first-hand the interpretive gymnastics required to get Jesus into the Hebrew scriptures. Christianity is to Judaism what Mormonism is to Christianity ... an entirely different religion. Gentiles were as ignorant of Judaism in the First Century as they are today and the Apostle Paul took full advantage of that ignorance with his convoluted and contradictory teachings that ran contrary to Orthodox Jewish teaching. But to say Jesus is in the Hebrew scriptures is to insult the intelligence of Jews who know precisely and accurately what their own Scriptures teach them. Read the Hebrew scriptures cover to cover without any Christian footnotes, or forced interpretive rigmarole and Jesus is not there. All one has by putting him there is their interpretive opinion. That's it.

[@fairfaxcat1312]

Oh, are you back to the safety of scriptural authority conversations again, Moore, now that your 1619 Project failed on Nov. 5?

[@HearGodsWord]

That suggests that he stepped away, which he didn't.

[@fairfaxcat1312]

@ Unfortunately, you are probably correct. All of our legacy institutions, including Christianity Today, are being re-organized on the basis of identity and “equity.”

[@HearGodsWord]

@@fairfaxcat1312 I am struggling to think of any legacy institutions that we can trust. You can bet Moore would have been very smug if Harris had won the election.

[@debcushing2184]

So much for showing love for one another.