Jesus’s Grave - Garden Tomb or Holy Sepulchre? (where is Golgotha?)

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The best news is He is risen. Praise Jesus!

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For me, the best news is that He died so that we can have eternal life. It was His death that took away our sins, not His resurrection. It is a good thing that He is risen. God rose Him from death as promised.

[@POTATOSOOPS]

As a Catholic, if I ever come to visit Israel, I will hire you as a guide. I love your respect for my faith.

[@afonsomfneto]

Thank you very much for the excellent explanation. The Garden of Gordon's Tomb is really true \o/. Abundant blessings from here in the city of São Paulo, Brazil

[@RepentJC]

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@@TheJpep2424 We don't believe we can work our way to Heaven. I don't know how many protestants I have to say this to.

[@logicaredux5205]

I agree with your assessment Oren, and I’m a Protestant. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre has the better claim to the authentic site.

[@clearjr1]

Obviously. The Protestant claim is ridiculous.

[@DevSarman]

@@clearjr1 to be frank, the so called "Garden Tomb" Calvary claim is based on nothing more that apophenia made public by Otto Thenius in order to fulfill the envy of Protestants for having no share of site in Holy Land, therefore devoid of any historical legitimacy. It's no shocker why some would outright say The Garden Tomb is illegitimate, and discredit its claim.

[@honeysucklecat]

Neither is legit. St Helena found what she set out to find because of course she would. She’s Constantines mother. Expect truth from someone like that? Don’t be silly. His body was dumped into a mass grave. The whole story of Jesus is mostly if not all fiction

[@logicaredux5205]

@@honeysucklecat - It’s truly amazing you know how he was buried considering it is all fiction from 20 Centuries ago. No doubt you have a source that no one knows about.

[@afonsomfneto]

@@clearjr1 Thank you very much for the excellent explanation. The Garden of Gordon's Tomb is really true \o/. Abundant blessings from here in the city of São Paulo, Brazil

[@YbYBwRbY]

Thank you, Oren! As always, a thoughtful, precise, yet kind-hearted discussion of a delicate topic, beautifully photographed. If people like you, instead of politicians, ran the world, life could be a lot happier. Bless you-- be well and be safe.

[@Joedebengaluru]

Loved the video of the Garden Tomb, enjoyed the walk too.

[@jeffreygraf3358]

A good way to handle a sensitive topic. Well done.

[@nickma71]

The Lord Jesus Christ was not and is not worried about sensitive topics. State what is, not what isn’t. The garden tomb is obvious, especially with the skull in the side of the hill.

[@afonsomfneto]

@@nickma71 Thank you very much for the excellent explanation. The Garden of Gordon's Tomb is really true \o/. Abundant blessings from here in the city of São Paulo, Brazil

[@jackieturner5145]

I.have visited these sites. I can honestly say I felt a peaceful presence at the Garden Tomb that I did not feel at the church of the Holy Sepulcher.

[@jperez7893]

The garden tomb cannot be the tomb of Jesus because it was constructed in the wrong time period. The garden tomb is a first temple period tomb. David and Solomon have higher chances of having been buried there than Jesus

[@lnnn4351]

I cried inside the tomb in Holy Sepulcher like when the first time I came to believe in Jesus, so I feel it is the right place though I did not visit the tomb garden.

[@thetopcat8946]

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[@mikewilliams6025]

I grew up Protestant myself. Never been Catholic. I absolutely agree with the sentiments presented here. Churches should be monuments to events and beliefs. If you need to see a place that Jesus touched, let it be your own life.

[@creepycrawlers6950]

beautifully said

[@biblereadingoutreach2284]

Psalms 122:6 🙏Pray for the peace of Jerusalem🕊: they shall prosper that love thee.❤

[@faridyoussef5808]

For me just being there and knowing that jesus has walked among these streets could be more than enough for me. thank you again for the amazing Video :) Danke dir recht herzlich :)

[@nicolevazquez9664]

I grew up without Jesus and I have found him in me, it is a miracle ❤

[@MrJumpster581]

Thx Oren. We Catholics base the belief in the Sepulchre site based on Scripture and a very old memory of witnesses! All the sites seem beautiful and hope to visit some day. Jim Hartz

[@JonJaeden]

Which scripture points to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre site? I agree that it has the most going for it historically and archaeologically and that the Garden Tomb is a non-starter, but what scripture can I go to that would lead me to the Sepulchre site? Thanks.

[@davidmathews9633]

What scriptures?

[@lolasobande8663]

What witnesses, please? Is there any record that the first century church kept a record of the site, please?

[@orionfernandes4587]

@@JonJaedenscripture isn’t everything. Holy tradition is as equally as important

[@JonJaeden]

@@orionfernandes4587 Where did I say scripture was "everything"? The poster said scripture provided evidence for the authenticity of the Holy Sepulchre site. I merely want to know which scripture is intended in the claim so it can be evaluated along with any other evidence.

[@curtis3948]

As a Christian, I view these as symbols and not factual places. I love what each represents and stands for. I love visiting the church of the holy sephlecure (sp) each time, regardless of whether it’s factual or not. And I love your point of views on this as well as all of your videos as an Israeli citizen. Keep up the good work.

[@rotemg7330]

should be exciting though, that while these might not be the exact places, they are more than symbolic: they historically overlap with the exact places. even if the garden is not the exact place, it is close to where it was, and it recreates the environment and how it looked and felt.

[@afonsomfneto]

@@rotemg7330 Thank you very much for the excellent explanation. The Garden of Gordon's Tomb is really true \o/. Abundant blessings from here in the city of São Paulo, Brazil

[@davidolien2828]

Oren, I appreciate your work very much. Thank you for all you do.

[@johnnyvans_77]

it doesn't matter where Jesus is buried for three days. what matters is that he is alive from the dead and he is alive forever🔥✝️

[@bjird7278]

he never burried, they never find his body because he never been crucified 😂

[@RexOlafusVidulusMagnus]

​@@bjird7278Crucifiction is the most certain fact of Ancient history. The opinion of a drunk demon possesed pedophile from 7th century doesn't matter.

[@tedclemens4093]

In the late seventies, I took a tour with Arnold Fructenbaum. He made it clear that the actual site was most likely at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher for the reasons you state. But he used Gordon's tomb and another to show how the actual tomb would have appeared before it was razed to erect a church building.

[@omyvillarama]

I love going back to see Jerusalem.

[@DavidHelling]

Thanks for finally getting this video up, man! Insightful. Looking forward to the next one!

[@iswiu2bl]

Thank you for this episode! I was there to the Garden Tomb. I certainly saw the small cliff which deserves the name 'Skull' because I did see the giant eye sockets and the nose holes. But you're right. Place isn't important at all. I am very excited about your next episode! I wonder what are the biblical obstacles for sincerely truthful God seeking Israel people to not know that God's spiritual Kingdom has started already by Jesus.. Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands(Jesus), which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

[@jperez7893]

The garden tomb is a first temple period tomb. It cannot be the tomb because it belongs to the wrong time period. So if you believe the garden tomb is the tomb of Jesus, you are believing a lie perpetrated by the british general Gordon pasha

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[@wms72]

The site of the Holy Sepulchre was outside the ancient city, though still on Mt Zion. When Empress St. Helena found the 3 crosses buried at the foot of Golgotha, she found the True Cross worked a miracle (raised a dead man, or cured a dying man). Pretty strong confirmation that the site marked by the pagan temple and carefully guarded and transmitted memory is the real site.

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[@dianaloach6559]

Well explained. Thanks for a well balanced explanation of the difference in the sites.

[@martinweber3859]

It is not so important where it to place but what. But for me it is always astonishing to see how peaceful and quiet it is inside the garden tomb despite it's surroundings. Shalom from Germany

[@anamariaana9521]

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[@fjsimmons8365]

Perfect timing for this video. We were just having a discussion about this last night. Thanks again.

[@Travelingisraelinfo]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ophirbushi]

What's important is that He is neither here nor there :)

[@thetopcat8946]

Hey Oren..sharing way over here..shalom and keep on keeping on 💙💚

[@baalah7]

*Thankyou for uploading for all* 🙌🏼 *Reliving our Memorable visit through your vlogs* 😇

[@ThePlaton20]

This video is spot-on. I'm a protestant and visited the Garden Tomb. I can understand the attraction to it because it definitely has more of a consistency with the Bible describing a surrounding garden. However what the Protestants don't understand is that the currently existing walls of Jerusalem are NOT the same walls that existed in the 1st century AD. The current walls were built by a Sultan in 1537 AD. The original walls of Jerusalem were much more in the interior of the city than the current walls are, which puts the Church of the Holy Sepulchre OUTSIDE the original city walls. Also there have been found other tombs dating to 1st century AD right in the same proximity as the Holy Sepulchre, proving again that in the time of Jesus, the Holy Sepulchre site was outside the city walls.

[@jonathanctay7422]

Agree.

[@kimberly5304]

Great video! Im looking forward to the next one.

[@marilialevacov2939]

Todáh, Oren. As usual, a very thoughtful and interesting presentation. Kol HaKavod!

[@craigmargerybertram4475]

Thank you Oren, well stated as always!!

[@levi7187]

Thank you Oren.

[@RJ-hs8ch]

As you say the most important is that Jesus was risen! It would be nice to know the exactly place, but then it would be idolize as the others. For sure He was born, buried, and resurrected in a chosen land! … Like you videos! Thank you!

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Thanks for all interesting videos you've been producing.

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[@carllaney7897]

This is a very helpful and balanced perspective on the debate about the location of the site of Jesus crucifixion and burial. Thank you!

[@Zoe-Swiss]

Always so interesting, factual, informative. I go along with your conclusions. Thank you again!!

[@MichaelWilliams-mn7wf]

A very compassionate and informative take on the subject! Thank you!

[@verchip8]

I appreciate your sensible conclusion that it's not about the actual site, but rather about the Resurrection. Evidence is good, but we must never forget the essence of it all. "He is not here".

[@phillipleboa5251]

This is so great and thank you for this video !!!! Cannot wait to see more - or even how the Jew see Jesus. :) God bless !!!!!!!!

[@jeffchristie9561]

Thank you for another excellent production, Oren. Please continue the good work. Hope to meet you if I ever get to visit, & I think I will. Until then, yalla-bye. PS: Since you're policing your Audience, I made sure to stay to the end so KZbin doesn't rat-out my pre-ending departure to you ...

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Love your videos. Thank you for sharing.

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I would love to see a video about more great food places in Jerusalem! 😋

[@jampaja]

I hope that this 3 ( Jews / Christians/ Moslims, ) religions united than will have Peace for all peoples in the world.

[@dawieputter805]

Thank you Oren, I think your approach is correct l spoke to you about this on my visit to Jerusalem in July. Thank you for this insight .

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

Nobody really knows for sure where the actual tomb was. Excellent video as always.

[@MarryMeToday21]

Jesus my love please give me your money and unite me with the men that I love. Place me on top my love. Amen❤

[@neilwin68]

I was in there in the church of sepulchre last week. One of the best places I've visited.

[@mis2amigos]

You made a very good point, for us Christians, we celebrate the fact that Jesus rose from the dead. It does not really matter where it happened. We enjoyed seeing the Holy Land through your videos. Shalom from Colombia !

[@chucknewman7076]

Thank you for sharing this with us. Great video.

[@debbee18]

I love the Garden tomb for the reasons you suggested, a peaceful place to contemplate that Jesus rose from the grave which is far more important to a believer than the accurate place where his body was laid. I also love the Church of the Holy Sepulchre but not for the dark room (tomb) that can be visited which is kind of eerie but for the architecture which I took time to explore on my second visit there. It is amazing to see all the rooms, nooks and crannies of that building which you would have no idea was inside from looking at the outside. Thanks again for another awesome tour! I always learn something new.

[@petergianakopoulos4926]

Just call it a garden then..

[@Eclipse-ss7ko]

The church seems to "touristry" I do not know if it is really the place. The garden tomb seems authhentic, it looks like what it would be in the time of Jesus. I would love to visit both as a christian and a human being.

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[@gracechan4312]

Thank you, Oren. Really liked your comment. It's true. Most important thing is that Jesus came, died and rose again. Happy New Year.

[@RoxanneNicholas-s1f]

The garden is beautiful and peaceful looking. Jesus heal your people!

[@scarfacekanazawa]

Thank you, Oren!

[@lisawilliams-steger6108]

Excellent video- it's informative and fair to both sites. What does it matter anyway, 'He isn't here, He has risen!"

[@vasilicacaia4721]

Thank you for all things. Everything is amazing.

[@wifesboss]

Well said showing the facts as ee know them. It's so hard to see how the church site dimensions would have worked out, i.e. Crucifixion site distance to tomb is so close...

[@ronaldmiller2740]

GOOD MORNING VERY EARILY SHALOM T.I. GREAT VIDEO!!

[@loganberlew3191]

I believe that the burial was at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, there is so much more evidence for the Church to the Location, however i believe that when it happened, where the Church of The Holy Sepulchre would have looked alot like the Garden tomb does now, but that is my take

[@time5d]

I'm a protestant. Having lived there before, visited both places and spent much time researching and investigating, I must say that the Garden Tomb sounds like a ridiculous candidate for Golgotha. Here's my theory: 1. The protestants arrived on the scene late, like 1,500 years late 2. They saw that everyone already had a slice of the pie 3. They too wanted a slice of the pie 4. The Garden Tomb was created as a result It's a very nice place, no doubt. But I can hardly believe it's Golgotha...

[@jrpeet]

This was really helpful. Thank you

[@NechamaGluck]

Fantastic. 🙏🙏🙏

[@benbiber4135]

Love your tours and appreciate your knowledge and wit - thank you

[@brothergerman597]

Thank you Oren! Excellent video 👍🏼👍🏼 I really enjoyed the tour 💯 Blessings from London Ontario 🇨🇦

[@lethalmouse3566]

You do a very good job documenting areas of curiosity to those who cannot make it to Israel to visit these spots such as myself who would one day love to go to Israel. But for now your videos do a very good job capturing each subject you talk about and only those subjects and areas that lead up to the subject. Very good. Thank you and keep up the awesome work!

[@mongirakchannel2947]

Thank you for this lovely video. Praise the Lord. Amen🙏

[@jasperg357]

Another great video, hopefully I will be returning for another visit in September.

[@musratcamm2527]

Thank you for showing The land of God ✝️🙏✝️

[@acampos8422]

Excelente video Oren

[@yurizhivago4848]

Very nice video and I really admire your courage in being neutral when talking about religion. My Gal was born in Iran and now lives in Canada. She believes in Zoroastrianism and Islam but is not very overly Orthodox. Most Iranians are not religious zealots but just want a peaceful life. My Brother in Law is from India and Sikh but again not very overly Orthodox. Canada is very peaceful when it comes to tolerating religious differences and I admire what you do. I look forward to your next video and it is nice to see someone who does not have extreme all or nothing views.

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zoroastrianism is the ancient persian religion isnt it?

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@@juanmaguire6482 Yes. Google it for more info

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[@adamodeo9320]

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[@seanchaney3086]

The Holy Sepulchre has a more solid Foundation, but The Garden Tomb seems like a nice replica of the original setting. God's Presense is in both places...

[@AnatoliZhimomi]

Hi Oren 🙋🏻‍♀️ I love your content. It’s very informative. It was great bumping into you the other day in Jerusalem ☺️

[@Travelingisraelinfo]

I love when it happens!

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Спасибо!

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Cant wait for the next video... Thanks

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Lovely images🙏👍

[@Servant_Of_Yeshua_HaMashiach]

Great video!! Am Yisrael Chai!!💪🇮🇱

[@fantasticvoyages-sg8sw]

Thanks for the video - really good and sensible approach. From a purely historical and archeological perspective it is obvious that the Garden Tomb is not authentic. I have been and it's a nice place for showing what it could have looked like but the weight of evidence points to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. I look forward to a return visit next month.

[@conoceisrael]

Oren you are such a great guide, love your channel :)

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THANKS OREN

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Thank you for all of this.

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[@deanhoward4128]

I was there in 1982 & saw both...personally, I believe that the garden tomb could be the real tomb; however it is a moot point, because they are both empty! & that's all that matters! Jesus overcame death & the tomb! HE IS RISEN!

[@TiffForTat316]

I feel no matter what God loves that we are interested and wanting to learn means so much 💙 We are seeking, we shall find 🕊 Thank you for your video 🙏

[@afonsomfneto]

Thank you very much for the excellent explanation. The Garden of Gordon's Tomb is really true \o/. Abundant blessings from here in the city of São Paulo, Brazil

[@msrjorge1805]

I had the wonderful opportunity to visited both places, the garden tomb and the Church of the holy sepulcher and The Church felt more authentic site.

[@loveinaction2772]

I agree Oren I was there and calming then the other site.

[@fynejules]

I really enjoyed the Garden of Tomb both in person in 2016 and now through your video! Thank you for the information comparing the facts of both places! ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry channel is an amazing resource for those who are curious about Jesus and Christianity from an Israeli/Jewish perspective.

[@michaellynes3540]

The Garden Tomb was analyzed by Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay and dated it to the 8th-7th centuries B.C. The re-use of old tombs was not an uncommon practice in ancient times, but this would seem to contradict the biblical text that speaks of a new, not reused, tomb made for himself by Joseph of Arimathea (Matthew Chapter 27 Verse 57-60, John Chapter 19 Verse 41). Also, the trough in front of the tomb and the nearby cistern, described by proponents of the Garden Tomb as part of the tomb's sealing system and as the surrounding garden's source of water, respectively, have both been archaeologically dated to the Crusader period (12th-13th centuries). Barkay concluded that: 1) The tomb is far too old to be the tomb of Jesus, as it is typical of the 8th-7th centuries BCE, showing a configuration which fell out of use after that period. It fits well into a wider necropolis dating to the First Temple period which also includes the nearby tombs on the grounds of the Basilica of St Stephen. 2) The groove was a water trough, built by the 11th-century Crusaders for donkeys/mules. 3) The cistern was built as part of the same stable complex as the groove. 4) The waterproofing on the cistern is of the type used by the Crusaders, and the cistern must date to that era.

[@Travelingisraelinfo]

True

[@LovingGODinFINLAND]

If are born again and you have the Holy Spirit living in you, you can know which is the right tomb of Jesus. When I was a young Christian and saw a video of the Garen Tomb for the first time. I knew immediately when I saw it that it was Jesus' tomb. And I don't doubt it even now. I believe Holy Spirit knows better than anyone else. Even better than scientist. Some dating methods of scientist are not accurate and we cannot blindly belive in those anyway. So I trust in what God revealed to me rather than what people say and what people think of it. But most important is that Jesus has resurrected! ❤️🙌 Blessings in Jesus name!🙏💝

[@stevenmanriquez8030]

I don’t view the garden tomb as the real official tomb for biblical and historical reasons. The tomb is 7-8 centuries older than Christ, the garden didn’t exist during Christ but during the crusades, and the skull rock probably was not there during the time of Christ. However even though I don’t think it is the real one, it is a visual representation of what it was like. I treat it as virtual reality, it isn’t real but you still get the experience. And Christ has risen.

[@lolamontez7782]

Your eyes are so different. As an American, I have never seen eyes like yours before. Very unique.

[@nikostheater]

There's only one legitimate candidate for the real Tomb of Jesus between these two options and the authentic one is absolutely the Holy Sepulchre.

[@KISHOREKUMAR-yb9ur]

Nice video brother. I m from India , bangalore

[@titicoqui]

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[@elianemorena3513]

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[@Judyri]

Beautiful video.❤️🙏🏽

[@michaellynes3540]

The Church of the Holy Sepulcher may be in the city, but in ancient times, it was outside of the city.