Jesus vs. Romulus

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There is no good evidence to suggest Jesus is similar to Romulus.
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[@glennpesti6519]

You did a wonderful job, I am a Christian and I watch an episode of (mythvision podcast) and the theologian mention that it was the reading of the account of the parallels of Jesus and Romulus is what causes him to deny Christianity. I remembered hearing something about this and wanted to check it out, this is how I found your channel, and this video. You did a wonderful job, I thank you for that and I will suggest this video when the topic comes up. It is sad that there are many false parallels like this that cause people to fall away; but for a theologian to fall away after reading the Romulus story, he must have been already walking away, because there is no comparison to Jesus in the Romulus story. Again, well done, I am now a subscriber to your channel. God bless you

[@ascension6699]

The Jews literally wrote the Bible to combat Zoroastrism and the gods of Greece and Rome. 😂

[@thoughtprocess4306]

I'm a skeptic, and I absolutely love what your doing with these videos. I'm so sick of the bogus paralells and absurd arguements I'm constantly forced to refute.

[@YuZewolf]

To bad you can't trace real parallels :(

[@isaiahlongofficial]

Some of these are laughable

[@denisestrickland2976]

Let God be true and every man a liar 🙏

[@thomasanderson1416]

Denise Strickland amen

[@brandonburrell8517]

Amen

[@ryankrakinski8926]

Christ mythicism: BECAUSE THINKING RATIONALLY IS HARD!

[@joesiegfried7465]

Ryan Krakinski You should be more questioning of Carrier's motives. He is not the first to make these claims. I believe he is looking to further an agenda of selfish ambition by deliberately taking a position bound to generate controversy, even though better scholars than him have come down on the side of those who accept that Jesus really existed. And you should ask yourself why would so many accept persecution and martyrdom if there is nothing to their faith?

[@dekuboidonut4552]

Because hypocritically putting ideology over facts is not considered religous behavior just because it is

[@stephencastro4723]

Christ mythers and atheists are not rational. THE BIBLE CALL THESE PEOPLE FOOLS (Psalms 14:1).

[@surfk9836]

@@stephencastro4723 Just like the bible is true, because the bible says it's true. Sorry, the bible is inherently unreliable.

[@stephencastro4723]

@@surfk9836 it was the slanderers of Christianity who are not telling the truth.

[@godlovesyou5879]

they won't admit it but many skeptics hate what you are doing with these videos. The truth turns the light on and they run like roaches

[@jonthgrutz7011]

Nonsense comment .

[@thomasecker8897]

@@jonthgrutz7011 What do you mean by nonsense?

[@cerealfanatic]

Well, I came here after going to an atheist website listing Jesus similarities to other religious figures. I didn't quite trust it as when it comes to things like religion, very personal subjective "truths" from person to person, people tend to have a bias towards information that confirms their theories. I'm a skeptic, and I've watched a few of these videos. I noticed that a lot of this channel's videos seem to advocate Christianity, but regardless of that these videos seem to be very unbiased, and truthful, putting forth good evidence.

[@Control_alt_delete]

All he said was the story wasn't copied exactly. That they took the story and changed it to fit their already existing stories, which is to be expected. And trust me, being a Christian myself it's hard to admit this. However ignoring facts only proves that people are indoctrinated instead of learned.

[@webslinger527]

@@Control_alt_delete well that’s not true Jesus wasn’t borrowed from other gods he is mostly unique the only real similarities are the healing story’s but the birth works life and resurrection and most things about Jesus are unique to him and that’s what ip is showing

[@MZONE991]

Why do mythicists believe every ancient god was born of a virgin? Lol

[@kymmoore853]

tactical plunger because if they didn’t they couldn’t attempt to con a group of people, who have never read any of the original sources, that Jesus was copied from (insert ancient deity here) and thus they wouldn’t have a reason to sell out auditoriums and make muller!

[@MZONE991]

a. y He did a video on the evidence for the resurrection Once the resurrection is established one is justified in putting faith in Jesus and everything Christianity teaches For example once you prove someone has a Phd in physics you can trust him when he tells you about physics

[@MZONE991]

a. y Scholars have demonstrated that an account can be historically reliable even if it was written years after the event The oral tradition is not to be underestimated IP has done some videos about it

[@MZONE991]

a. y "The tomb is empty therefore he rose from the dead" is a strawman argument What we are saying is that the tomb was empty and no one could have possibly stole the body, the apostles the Jews and the Romans had no reason to steal the body Even if the apostles had a reason they couldn't be able to do that Watch IP's video about it, you clearly lack the basic knowledge of the argument

[@MZONE991]

a. y So you have nothing except an argumentum ad lapidem? Thanks for admitting you have already predetermined the conclusion before even studying the argument (yeah I doubt you watched his video and throughly debunked them) There is "extraordinary evidence" an empty tomb that has no grave robber" People preaching and willing to die for an idea they have nothing to gain from A skeptic who leaves everything who supposedly made up a lie to make his life miserable as hell Women being the first eye witnesses 500 + witnesses And so much more It's hard to dismiss all of this as a conspiracy or hallucinations The resurrection happening has a high probability

[@mhmeekk3003]

I brought the salt.

[@massey904]

Before Romulus was I AM.

[@westernriteorthodox8719]

Amen to that Lol

[@dioscoros]

Chris t Funny. But Jesus was obviously a copy of George Washington. Look at the similarities for Pete's sake! George Washington was: Born of a woman Leader of a new kingdom Son of God His name in reformed Egyptian means "the Christ" Had two ears Was a male Most importantly, George Washington was crucified by the pagan authorities So, I'll be expecting to hear of your apostacy soon, tell me when! ;)

[@maxedoloverio6146]

Thomas Comerford ?

[@dioscoros]

Max Edoloverio Try reading it as sarcasm.

[@massey904]

a. y Nothing

[@westernriteorthodox8719]

And again, IP comes back with a Bang!

[@convert2islaam500]

Are you Muslim or Christian? Your profile says Irish, Orthodox Christian and yet your name says "Islamic" and you have videos from the liar "Mercifulservant" who I call Deceitful serpent, maybe you are a con wet yo the true faith (Christianity) and left Islam.

[@YuZewolf]

Actually this is quite wrong but ok.

[@HeroQuestFans]

I can't wait to see an episode on Jesus vs Caesar. keep up the good work!

[@brandonburrell8517]

Jesus Christ wins every time.

[@Control_alt_delete]

Kind of a tie. Since both seem to be fictional characters.

[@pedrojunior5996]

@@Control_alt_delete you Sirius?

[@hosea4660]

Control Alt Delete Who are you to say that Jesus did not exist? Secular historians who dedicate years of research on Christ will not say that he didn’t exist. They will say he wasn’t God but they will not say he never existed. There is too much secular proof to say Jesus was just another made up being. Since you know so much about the topic can you provide us with the proof of Jesus never existing. You can list the sources below, thank you.

[@brandonp2530]

Keep going mate. Love your videos

[@siriusfun]

Jesus never claimed to be God nor was he equated to said in the original gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke). He said he was the 'son of', acting with a divine authority imbued by... that's a very different thing.The wild claims only showed up in John, the last and most recent 'retelling', and a highly dubious work at best. Ehrman's work on this is a good resource.

[@Canaanitebabyeater]

Source?

[@misterauctor7353]

John 10:30.

[@manne8575]

You need to have a debate with Richard Carrier, that would be awesome

[@kynikoi_6867]

Lol this channel wi get destroy too much lies

[@manne8575]

@@kynikoi_6867 Sure

[@robbinsnest6163]

@@kynikoi_6867 examples?

[@diegofuentes6639]

@@robbinsnest6163 He is just an angry atheist I saw his playlists and he is fan of Ricahrd Dawkkns and all those people just ignore him.

[@unclescar5616]

@@diegofuentes6639 Seriously though IP would get creamed. Carrier is actually doctorate holding scholar of religion and history

[@tadm123]

IP please do a video on all the implications of the resurrection, some positive news wouldn’t be too bad. :) Would be a fantastic cherry on top of your series. Great video as always! On other news, my Feser’s “5 proof for the existence of God” book just arrived today, will be very busy this summer. :)

[@cmk5724]

Thank you for this video. Could you do one comparing Christ and Caesar, and Augstus Caesar in particular?

[@QARTVELI07]

JESUS IS REAL!!!

[@brendanlepeska4295]

These are good videos. Keep at it.

[@brendanlepeska4295]

Non-Creative Name let's just say they are fantastic video instead

[@Jordansparte]

A+ Video! Your channel is SEVERELY UNDERRATED!

[@spiritcdl]

Extremely well done. Thank you so much😺

[@sageseraph5035]

You should do a video on Natural Law. Do it for Thomas Aquinas!

[@kieran296]

Lol

[@sageseraph5035]

Anton Babani Law is good, but gospel is better!

[@AveChristusRex]

+Anton Babani I think he meant Thomas Aquinas insofar as he exegeted Scripture. I don't think he was suggesting any man is above God's Word. Nor do I know anyone who does believe that.

[@workinpromo]

Ave Christus Rex, have you not heared? We are to re-invent Christianity with every single new generation doing its own Bible studies; and of course discarding the studies of the past if disagreement occurs. And it is performed by the simple formula which is: "I listen to God's Word, not the traditions of men," lol. Guys, St. Thomas Aquinas is probably the best Christian scholar which has ever walked this Earth, so show some respect okay, gg.

[@sageseraph5035]

Anton Babani Yeah, God is above man. Doesn't mean everything man says is wrong.

[@ronm6349]

TY keep preaching the truth brother,

[@astrol4b]

born by a nun raped by the god of war, nursed by a shewolf and a woodpecker, killed his own twin brother in battle, reappeared after death to say "go conquer the world" Romulus was quite a badass demi-god.

[@Raiseflag_Surrender]

That is an excellent video, thank you very much. By the way, there are actually some parallels in Romulus life to the events in the life of Moses (who was tossed into river after birth) and to the myth of Oedipus (who vanished from earth). But no one claims that Romulus myth is simply based upon events in the life of either Moses or Oedipus.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Because it would not help the Christ-myther agenda.

[@Raiseflag_Surrender]

Inspiring Philosophy, Exactly. I believe this agenda to be extremely stupid. I mean, after all the ages of atheist thinkers who tried to discover the earthly origin of religion, who built profound systems of thought, explaining how religion appeared, and some tried to prove that religion was the inevitable byproduct of societal evolution (Marx), some saw religion as anthopomorphic answer to the unanswerable absurdity of human solitary existence (Sartre, Camus), some thought religion to be the product or sublimation process of human psyche (Freud, Fromm), some thought religion to be the result of great struggle between the races of the strong and weak nations (Nietzsche), I repeat, after all this well-thought and solemn efforts to explain the origin of religious faith, what do we have now? 'New Atheists' who aren't even professional philosophers, some of whom are mythicists, some biologists, some physicists and all of them do not try to explain the religious phenomena at all but rather to mock them and label them as bigotry, immoralism and fraud. The 'new atheist' movement in modern USA reminds me of XIX century positivism thinkers (such as August Comte) who thought religion to be simply unscientific. But then even Comte tried to examine the question of the origin of religion seriously, without resorting to illogical and emotional statements. To put it simply I think that today's criticism of religion is able to gain popularity not only because of people's ignorance about religion, but also because of their profound ignorance in such fields of knowledge as philosophy and history of ideas. P.S. And of course, thank you again for your tremendous work, because my hope lies in God and in such people as you, who day by day fight against ignorance and for the knowledge.

[@jonathandoe1367]

@@Raiseflag_Surrender Just let me add that Nietzsche was very fond of religion, in a way, and lamented sorely that it was proven false. The issue, of course, is that it's now proven true with more certainty than ever. Nietzsche did point out many valid critiques of Christianity, but Christians have already acknowledged the issues of hypocrisy and legalism and every godless lifestyle ever justified under the pretense of Christianity a thousand times before. It seems to me he would have made for a fine Christian if he had learned from someone like WLC or Aquinas, and he might have had a better outlook on the Jewish race if he had known of someone like Eitan Bar. I think Nietzsche should be a lesson that when we fail to make our case reasonably and effectively, even those who want to believe might be discouraged from doing so. I commend greatly the work in contemporary apologetics, but I think it needs to reach much further. I think the average sort of uninterested people who call themselves Christians, but don't really seem to know anything about their religion at all, need to be drawn into a rational, proper understanding of what it means to be Christian, and exactly what sort of lifestyles Christianity prohibits. I think if we cleaned up our own house, we'd have a much easier time of bringing others into the family. Sorry if this was abit of a rant. Anyway, take care! :)

[@ThomB50]

Why bother arguing with people that think Jesus is mythical? If that’s their stance after all the evidence to the contrary, then I would think they don’t care about any evidence presented.

[@stickmansam8436]

Whats amazing is that they say that Jesus' existence is just a trivial matter that even if he existed it would mean nothing to them, yet by their actions they try soo hard to argue that he's mythical as though if he was real it would've certain life implications for them.

[@ThomB50]

Stick man Sam Right. It also gets me when they then say that Jesus was a common name and that their were many Jesus Christ’s....I mean sure, there were dozens and dozens who performed over 30 miracles and predicted their death and subsequent resurrection. I pray for those people, but I think God is going to have to break their hearts and prepare them to ask Jesus to come into the their life and forgive them their sins.

[@dekuboidonut4552]

Anton Babani the entire religion of atheism is founded on coincidence

[@ThomB50]

a. y That’s interesting. 100 years ago atheists claimed the universe always existed. God has said from the beginning of time that he created the heavens and the earth. You can disagree and give out any number of hypothesis for the creation of the universe, I believe Hawkins was a fan of the multiverse idea before he died and went to hell. God’s existence is self evident in what we experience and what we see. The Bible has yet to be proven wrong and has stood the test of time. Most of the great thinkers of our time have understood this. Your problem isn’t that there is no evidence of God’s existence, it’s that you don’t like the implications of being answerable to God after this life for your sins.

[@ThomB50]

a. y As long as scientists continue to believe there is a natural explanation for the creation of the universe or the creation of life they will continue to be wrong. The Bible gives the answers and is consistent with what we observe of our world. You would have to name the religious book so that I can tell you why it is wrong. The fact is, if you are really interested in investigating the Bible yourself there are plenty of books that do it. Or you can try to disprove the Bible like Lee Strobel did. The fact is you have to have a whole lot more faith to be an atheist than you do to be a Christian. And no I was not raised in a Christian home. Although if you live in Europe/North America you were raised in a Christian culture.

[@robertdelrosario139]

Hi! Could you do a video on Ayn Rand's Objectivism? And arguments for/against it?

[@Draezeth]

What about the parallels between the Proculus and Cleopas accounts? I just found out about it and I'm having trouble with it now.

[@joshuavan8391]

Hey IP. Love your channel, it’s been so helpful in finding logical answers to some hard questions. However I’d like to make a recommendation. Could you do a video explaining Matthew 24. Bart erhman uses this chapter to make a case for the theory that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet. I’ve read the chapter myself many times and can’t get past his objections. Thanks God bless

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I am a preterist, so I think Jesus is talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 Ad. www.tektonics.org/esch/pretsum.php

[@joshuavan8391]

InspiringPhilosophy Thanks for the source. While this topic is somewhat new to me I look forward to studying it more. I still think it would be a great idea for a video in your apologetics library. Thanks again and God bless

[@Ivann1005]

Hello. So, what I want to do with this message is to simply show what the Gospel is. I am not trying to force my belief down people's throats. It's your choice whether you want to accept it. So, a question: Do you think you are a good person? If so, have you ever stolen anything, lied, looked lustfully, watched adult material? All of those are sins and anyone who sinned is not good(on God's standard). You, I and most( most because babies don't sin, and maybe specifically mentally Ill people) purely human beings have violated God's moral law. Since God is just, He can't let sin go just like that. So is there any hope? Yes, there is! Out of love and mercy, God became a human being, Jesus Christ. Jesus lived a sinless life and finally died on the cross to bear the punishment we deserve, we deserve to be punished because we have sinned. The reason why blood must be spilled for forgiveness of sins is because the life of the flesh is in the blood, in the Old Testament Jews sacrificed animals for sins but the sacrifice of animals were enough to temporarily cover some sins. (it did not allow forgiveness of sins, Unlike Jesus's, it only temporarily covered them). Jesus is the Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice for sins which is enough for all sins that have been done, are done and will be done. Jesus was buried and rose again. His resurrection proved that His death was enough to pay our penalty, the penalty for our sins. Jesus paid our penalty and in order to accept the free gift of salvation from God, we must trust in Jesus's spilled Blood, His finished work on the Cross for our Salvation. And then your sins will be forgiven because of what Christ did, you will be saved. See: Romans 3:10 KJV, Romans 3:23 KJV, Romans 5:12 KJV, Romans 6:23 KJV, Romans 5:8-9 KJV Romans 10:9-10 KJV, Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV, John 3:16 KJV, Leviticus 17:11 KJV, Ephesians 1:7 KJV, Colossians 1:20 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV. kzbin.info/www/bejne/opPFZautjs9kb8k Evidence for God's existence: Kalam Cosmological argument, Contigency argument, Modal ontological argument. Regarding Christianity watch InspiringPhilosophy's videos about the Ressurection of Jesus reliability of NT. Together, they show good evidence that Christianity is true.

[@jeraldkampbell2742]

Do you have A book you recommend

[@ejbatu]

Great video. Thanks for putting this together; you put out great contents. Your channel should have more subscribers especially from college/university students since the schools are brain washing the students.

[@needtoknow204]

Incredible research! May Jesus bless you!

[@iamwhoyoucall2329]

He only to Wikipedia page

[@thomasecker8897]

@@iamwhoyoucall2329 Um.... sorry, sir, but he does not use solely Wikipedia...

[@Control_alt_delete]

You pay most attention to the subtle differences and ignore the substance of the foundation building similarities. It's like eating hotdogs and arguing about the ketchup or mustard on top.

[@thomasecker8897]

@@Control_alt_delete Who was that directed at?

[@Control_alt_delete]

@@thomasecker8897 the video mainly and whoever is implying some great point was made. The similarities are unquestioned while the differences subtle like Copyright things between Marvel and DC comics.

[@miamia8912]

Great video again! But if you don't mind I have a little request. Nowadays people like to portray satan/lucifer as this poor, misunderstood hero, who stood up against tyrant. People like to claim that he gave us free will, instead of God. So can you do a video about it?

[@Control_alt_delete]

He would but he can't. Truth is free will wasn't free if to know right and wrong you had to eat from a tree that was wrong but you didn't know it was wrong until you ate from the tree. So learning right from wrong is the same thing that was worth eternal damnation. So any such video would make God look like a dick and thus pointless.

[@filmicreviews3270]

Plus the modern day satan portrayal was from John Milton’s paradise lost which isn’t Christian scripture.

[@thomasanderson1416]

Is there an episode on Augustus Caesar?

[@dekuboidonut4552]

Jonney Shih there's no proof he claimed to be a God in his lifetime but the people who liked him aperntly claimed he was descended by God's on his grave stone however I don't think Bart Erhman is a good source because he claims his parents were Greek Gods despite being a Latin king

[@chrishails4263]

I'm waiting for your Jesus vs. Talos video.

[@chrishails4263]

You know it. Seriously though, Talos is a god made up of three beings & he's a god become man become god again. His worship is outlawed, his followers tortured & killed. I have to believe one of the writers is also decent Christian with some knowledge of history.

[@willsal7806]

Hey IP! Love the vids.. Have you watched the vids by Rationality Rules channel? He states in his titles how he debunks various arguments including Dr. Craig's moral argument, your own free will argument and lots of others. Maybe you could watch it if you got the time.. You even debated his intellectual hero Matt Dillahunty on Non Sequitur..

[@JoseMartinez-us7qr]

Inspiringphilosophy wrote a great refutation in his blog responding to the video rationality rules made on free will,and wlc moral argument is insufficient,so rationality rules criticims might be correct on that issue,instead i prefer inspiringphilosophys moral argument

[@WillStrop2008]

For the record, I have a feeling that Dionysius' account is the most accurate. Have you ever wondered why October is the 10th month of the year, despite Octo being the Latin word for "eight" ("ten" would be Decem)? That has everything to do with calendar reforms implemented by Romulus and by his immediate successor (Numa Pompilius, 2nd King of Rome). Anyway, this was a skillful and well-researched video, as usual!

[@delightk]

Do a zeitgeist debunk video also please!

[@phillwatts7176]

Trent horn debunked it

[@garycottreau8442]

Very well done.

[@dan4Jesus2012]

IP, you are an inspiration and a hero! Keep up the good work & God Bless :-)

[@Miatpi]

What do you think about the similarity regarding Proculus and Cleopas?

[@vojislavbelic896]

I just watched Cosmic skeptic's video on the resurrection, the one where he debates Jonathan McLatchie. I am not a linguist, I'm not sure about this, but a simple Google and wikipedia search reveals that Cleopas means "Glory to the father", being a short version of Cleopatros(male of Cleopatra). While Proculus could either mean "Born when the father is abroad" or it could mean "suitor" or "prince". Either way they don't seem to mean the same thing, they could be similar at best. I respect Alex but It seems he pulled this one out of nowhere, I could be wrong though. P.S. I looked at Plutarch's story about Romulus, it says this: "Some even to the present day derive their names from the circumstances of their birth, as for instance a child is named Proculus if his father be abroad when he is born, and Postumus if he be dead"

[@UnratedAwesomeness]

Will you ever do a video about all of Richard Carrier’s horrible interpretations of scripture (like Alexander and Rufus) or is that just a waste of time?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yeah, I will.

[@kynikoi_6867]

Lol richard argument is more plausible, this channel is pro jesus giving different interpretation

[@webslinger527]

@@kynikoi_6867 complete and utter nonsense comment Richard is made fun of by countless people it’s sad to think that you actually believe him. I did to until you do the research and see just how absolutely wrong he is.

[@kynikoi_6867]

@@webslinger527 I didn't say that he is 100% correct. What I said is that his argument is more plausible. The fact that you view his arguments feeble, doesn't mean you are correct. Islam, Hindu, and other thousand of religion will say the same thing... 'here is X, this is what X, you can't just deny X because X exist because of something'. Every religion does that asinine reasoning.

[@webslinger527]

@@kynikoi_6867 plausible in a room of ignorance and the rest has nothing to do with the argument 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

[@moses201]

Do atheists actually have any real arguments?

[@sh-qh6hz]

No

[@legron121]

Plutarch says Romulus "came from the gods" and the translations I've read say that he "returned" to heaven (I haven't seen the original Greek, so I can't check whether that's correct). This sounds like he was originally a god in heaven.

[@MajorTomFisher]

IDK about you but I think I would remember Jesus drinking wolf milk

[@warrior_of_the_most_high]

What?

[@Archangel657]

Inspiringphilosophy Can your next video be about the Existence of Moses. This seems like a common theme. From what I know, any archeological evidence would be next to impossible to find for various reasons. And the Egyptians never recorded embarrassing details in their hieroglyphs. So what evidence to we have that Moses wasn't a fictional character created at a later date, and/or evidence that he wrote the Torah apart from the text itself.

[@DEMcouver]

As things stand, it’s impossible to place Moses in history, but the Egyptian chronology is clearly flawed. Mainstream archaeology won’t revise the timeline because academics are jealously protecting their reputations. See David Rohl for a case for an historical Moses.

[@Archangel657]

Answerologist Thx for the info, however, it appears that he has little credibility because he has yet to back up what he claims with archeological evidence. www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2007/05/23/David-Rohls-Revised-Egyptian-Chronology-A-View-From-Palestine.aspx#Article

[@UnratedAwesomeness]

Emery Thrash until something like 1830, there was a group of people called the Hitites which we only knew about from the Bible. Scholars believed this was a mistake until they actually discovered conclusive evidence of their existence. The Bible is allowed to be the sole documentation, especially when there’s good reason for other cultures not to document it. Not to mention, a group of wandering Jews would not leave the proper archeological evidence that would last 3000-4000 years

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

bridgeminlaredo.org/inspiring-philosophy-evidence-for-the-exodus/

[@Archangel657]

InspiringPhilosophy Thx!

[@dias8726]

Can you do a video on heaven and hell

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

December.

[@John-nc7we]

amen

[@El-Silver]

can you please debunk the cesar messiah i did it but i cant make a video about it

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH6rZnqqbJ5qrMU

[@El-Silver]

@@InspiringPhilosophy i think by the coments you know , he made a good analysis but i think i can be better

[@barcafanshd8378]

Do a video on Theosis

[@karl5722]

Atheists please tell me how can I trust human reasonif nature is alk there is. Please tell me how could you trust your own reason if everything is about survival and Gaia or nature exists?

[@mariuscezar7374]

I wonder why you did not mention Dionysius?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKKbl3mtYtSJadk

[@1JAMINben]

Romulus? Who will it be next?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Inanna and Zalmoxis

[@stickmansam8436]

Spiderman

[@dekuboidonut4552]

Non-Creative Name probably not Hercules was kind of a dummy while Jesus was well known for his wisdom and ability to memorize the entire Torah at a very young age

[@dekuboidonut4552]

How about somone from Norse mythology

[@astrol4b]

Caesar of course

[@johnobryan2293]

You mean we have one not born on December 25th?

[@jayd4ever]

mythists need to stop with most of their claims

[@giorgosst4649]

you must make a new video anout this subject you didn't mention cicero that talks about romulus and he say that appears to proculus after death also ovid says what he gave commision and disappeard before julius eyes so please sometime make a new video about this

[@memememe843]

Well done and thank you.

[@taylorshipley1688]

_"Thereafter, having given them commission to preach the gospel through the world, He was encompassed with a cloud and taken up to heaven, - a fact more certain far than the assertions of your Proculi concerning Romulus."_ - Tertullian, Apology 21.23 Tertullian saw a similarity between the ascension of Romulus and Jesus. Otherwise, why mention Romulus at all in this context? Tertullian's comparison works only if Romulus ascended bodily. Of course, he asserts the ascension of Jesus was more certain but unfortunately gives no evidence for that claim. _"Father Romulus himself, who was torn in pieces by the hands of a hundred senators....do you not affirm that he has ascended into heaven?"_ - Arnobius, Against the Heathen 6.1.41 Arnobius indicates he died and ascended to heaven.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Well, given what Livy, Plutarch, and Dionysis say Tertullian is simply wrong. This is why I went to the earliest sources.

[@thomasanderson1416]

Taylor Shipley - the naivety of Church fathers proves they did not conjure a, Jesus myth from Romulus.

[@taylorshipley1688]

Jonney Shih It wouldn't have been seen as "conjuring." They were just using common literary themes and mimetic signals in their stories. Justin Martyr literally says Christian beliefs about Jesus were no different than what the Romans believed about their gods. It doesn't get much more clear than that.

[@thomasanderson1416]

Taylor Shipley That's just polemical arguments against natural philosophers that mocked Christianity based on reasonable grounds to expose their hypocrisy, it's general to any metaphysical belief system. This is to be expected actually.

[@taylorshipley1688]

Jonney Shih It's more than polemical because Martyr proceeds to give numerous examples of similarities and even calls them "imitations."

[@Panwere36]

It always is amazing (in a bad way) how willing Christ Myth Theory proponents are to outright lie in order to claim that Christians "stole" things and dismiss our Abba El-Shaddai and Sar Shalom Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

[@Popclone]

Don't get the VS Mode. You can see that every Religion/Cult got influenced by each other. You can see this in Art. Nothing is new. Somewhere something inspired someone and someone that took it to another tribe.

[@Mythical.History]

Still both of these stories are similar

[@vincenzapesci3944]

No they arent. Any claimed simiarity is eithet too broad,just made up or too late.

[@florinaschilean6143]

What similarities may be between the greek who later become roman gods and Jesus? All gods were born from an older god and the oldest of them were born from Gea (earth) and Chronos (time)? So, if they exist, they all are offsprings of God's creation, that was all made through Word.

[@ceciliateo9939]

Im not sure what the term is...but its like the jesus mythers have a severe case of paredolia where they see patterns where theyre minds want to. Heck if you think and look hard enough for it, you could find connections everywhere!!

[@paulveracruz6813]

You should make a video discussing about what should we call the son of God, Jesus or Yeshua?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I don't think it matters.

[@sh-qh6hz]

If you really want to call him by his Hebrew name, then call him "savior" in Ancient Hebrew

[@johnk4403]

I wonder How the world influenced both these historical figures in similar ways, have you heard of Απολλωνιοσ Τής Τυανευσ? Apollonius Of Tyana.

[@slushpup665]

#WalkAway

[@Romailjohn]

JESUS is the only way and the truth and zindagi

[@WarmPotato]

Best channel ever!!

[@surfk9836]

You obviously never listen to Carrier's lectures or read his books. He has consistently stated that he places the history of Jesus in probability context. Never has he started there definitively was no Jesus. He goes out of his way to make his position abundantly clear. Plus there are numerous other resurected savior dieties he uses to make his point, not just Romulus. Ignoring this a complete misrepresentation of Carrier's work. This is purposely dishonest. I thought Christians weren't supposed to bear false witness.

[@mi-ka-eltheguardian3837]

I hope somebody will answer to my question : if this parallels made by mythicists are so absurd, how can they be able to come up with arguments that are grounded in the very same document, where according to us Christian, those similarities can't be found in any way? I mean, if it is so obviously made up where do they find the evidences to formulate their arguments? Why the are the opinion so divergent on such allegedly " obvious " fact like the life of Jesus. If it is that obvious what it is matter for a debate? Let's take the life of Alexander the great : nobody would doubt that there was such a man who walked the earth right? The scholars may disagree whether certain events or not took place in his life, but nobody would go as far as claiming that He wasn't even real. Therefore, why if the Life of Jesus is so grounded In History (and I believe it is), is there even a minority of scholars who denies this very fact??

[@Skadi609]

For real? They are people who make parallels between Jesus and the legendary founder of Rome Romulus 😲?

[@r.a.m.8395]

Sons of God in early Christian context meant the kings of Israel, the meaning you are applying came later under the Roman/Byzantine reformed Christianity, Romans of the Hellenistic side. It is the same reason why the earliest new testament scriptures were written in Greek and not in Aramean, because it was commissioned by the noble and not the orthodox Jews. Noble Jews were more Hellenistic, which is a term that was created by orthodox Jews to explain the invasion of Greek culture into theirs. That is why there are so many Greek icons in Christianity, like Hades(God) becoming the function of satan(Hebrew function of the accuser of God), or sheol becoming Hades(place) then hell(from the Germanic influence of the Holy Christian Empire Hel of the Godess Helheim). The only son of God as an entity that Jewish people knew and rejected was Bel or Ba'al the son of El, one of the name for Ashem (Elijah means El is Yahweh). Bel or Ba'al which both means lord in multiple language and in Hebrew is the same reason we say the lamb of God and the Lord Savior and it is closely related to Tammuz Hebrew month and Babylonian deity, the suffering shepherd king that brings a golden age. He was associated with the Agrarian worker constellation which became Aries under the Greeks, BELier in french. John even warned us against this agrarian worker. Matthew 3:12 "His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

[@oolooo]

As a Latin , I can tell you that Romvlvs was no son of any god but he was preserved so that his City Roma may become the Servant of Christvs Rex and His Church .

[@evanceaicovschi7230]

I think that to deny any similarity between the two would be incorrect. Luke does draw similarities between Christ and John the Baptist and Romulus and Remus. The Emperor Constantine also did the same and comissioned a coin depicting Romulus and Remus only a few years after the council of Nicaea. How would you spread the Gospel to pagans who have not yet heard? To adapt the local mythology and emphasize the portions that correlate to Christian theology is only proper.

[@BongBing11]

One noting similarities and an Emperor putting the mythicized icons of the founders of their nation does not a pagan syncretism make. You'd have to find evidence for it.

[@BrotherMatthewCCT]

You really need to watch "Zeitgeist Debunked" - Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods. It shows how all the pairing of other religions in an attempt to explain the history of Jesus is just completely errant.

[@annoyingdude76]

Romulus, really? Who's next?

[@thomasanderson1416]

annoyingdude76 Augustus Caesar

[@joerad4433]

6:33 Jesus resurrection wasn’t nature, first of there are accounts of dead coming back to life after he died

[@xdaantihero]

I dont think you understand what a virgin birth means in HEBREW FORM.. a virgin means YOUNG LADY, not someone who never had sex. So depending on the age of Rhea Silvia, she could still be considered a VIRGIN.

[@matheno9494]

*mythicists nice video, btw

[@GENESIS-3]

Its to many hints from all these kinds of sources ~ not just this one, not to make this story suspicious. It was a to common mindset at the day to rightly be considered as fishy. It doesn’t matter if all of the similarity’s fit 100% on every little detail. It’s just to obviously a Greek theater drama play, invented to attract faith in a physical resurrection ~ to balance the earlier Pauline spiritual more mystical resurrection.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

We address that idea: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfJnqWfpKuheLs&lc=z12iuhrhyoa4xdjrq04cjdibixqbtzzphak

[@grahamblack1961]

Talk about a strawman. Have you actually read Carrier. He talks about multiple pre Christian myths that are comparable to Jesus to varying degrees. I don't know of anywhere that Carrier males a crass simplistic statement that Jesus was basically a copy of Romulus.

[@reginaldodonoghue9253]

Number 3 is a common motiff which is applied to real people such as Cyrus and Sargon of Akkad

[@alexbreeze4978]

As a polytheist I will say that I strongly disgree with motion that Jesus never existed, historically it is most likely that he did. However, I will say that certainly festivals and practices of many christians follow symbolism that is rooted in the syncretism with pagan cultures. Definitely not in the case of Quirinus/Romulus though that is nonsense

[@MorrisLasCasas]

Actually, there is no difference in QI between religious and no religious people. The meta-analysis of 2013 have been disprouved 2016 (see www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616000027)

[@YoungMommy14]

I take it, you're not a huge Richard Carrier fan. I think he's Great. He's Proposed some very interesting and provocative theories. Bear in mind, Carrier never suggested that Jesus was based on any particular Dying and Rising Deity or confluence of various Deities. He postulates that since Esoteric, Clandestine Mystery Schools were quite popular around the time of Jesus, the character was conjured up as a sort of Dying and Rising God in what was effectively A Jewish Mystery School... Exclusively composed of Gentiles, though, because Jews were never keen on the Mystery School phenomenon. Remember, though. These 'Mystery Schools' all feature Theology and Doctrines that deviate from The Esoteric or Conventional \ Traditional Theology. That being said, Plutarch's commentary and all the others like Virgil and Ovid are irrelevant. They only provide insight on The Esoteric or 'Mainstream Theology of The Common folk'. If you want to gain a conception, do what I did... I joined The Rosicrucrucian Order... The only issue is that I haven't been active in many, many years. You'll never learn anything about Esoteric, Initiatiatic Orders by studying Mainstream Literature. I obviously can't say whether Carrier's theory holds scrutiny. I'll have to start studying again, and then I can arrive at an 'informed conclusion'. It's certainly 'possible'.

[@eraalbanese4063]

Which man decides what's a legend and what's true?You all have no right to do that but it's being done. Romulus was only declared a legend in the 16th century, before it was understandable for everyone that he had existed.

[@boonga585]

4:51

[@srpandiyan3812]

Mad comparing Jesus name

[@duckymomo7935]

O boy this is a new low, Christ Luther’s are just scraping the bottom of the barrel and stretching so much with bad gymnastics that this is ridiculous

[@alg11297]

So Jesus was God before he became human. And his name was "the Son" eons before he was actually born. Could you spin this theology a little more?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Not exactly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_XZoGBiNiYZrs

[@snaggledog0079]

Dammit, I thought this was one of them Rap battle videos.

[@thomasanderson1416]

lol

[@sokratiskonstantaras320]

lol

[@pedrojunior5996]

Lol

[@seal9390]

lol

[@dghost7876]

So what myth is less ridiculous huh...?

[@johnobryan2293]

Jesus will always win.

[@righteousnessofchrist3304]

Well done brother, God bless you. It seems to be very simple, either these ancient people copied the Lord Jesus Christ's story, or these ancient people just completely made it up to try to say that Christianity copied them, when the opposite is the truth.

[@alcannistraro]

It would be highly appropriate to base your analysis on the sound historical method advocated by Carrier in his book, Proving History. That would require weighing the evidence according to probability assumptions that you state and explain upfront. Then everybody can decide if they agree with your assumptions and your reasoning, or not. History is a matter of grounded probabilities, not black or white all or nothing assertions.

[@jenschristiansen9490]

Please provide us with historical records that shows the existence of Jesus and his impressive CV.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3rHdIWXo7-Nr9k&app=desktop

[@jenschristiansen9490]

InspiringPhilosophy, This video was made by believers, and hasn’t passed a scientific peer review. Try again.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

That is an ad hominem fallacy and we cited plenty of peer-reviewed sources in the video.

[@jenschristiansen9490]

InspiringPhilosophy, OK. Has the video passed a peer-review?

[@jenschristiansen9490]

Thought so. No peer-review. Wouldn’t be good for the multi billion religious industry, if the greatest story ever told couldn’t hold water.

[@chubalongchar71]

Horus left the chat.

[@kynikoi_6867]

Ofcourse what do you expect in pro jesus

[@martinbaker6853]

SPECIUOS ASSERTIONS BY ATHEISTS DO NOT MAKE ANY TRUTHS ABOUT GOD

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Rome didn't become Christian.... Christianity became Roman....

[@Lukeydookee]

Well put James, and that is true for all proceeding societies, as well as today too. You might enjoy a book called, The Pilgrim Church by Broadbent.

[@MitzvosGolem1]

Lukeydook many nice people deceived.

[@drsaran]

When we google MAN GOD in history, Jesus is on number 11. He is mentioned as Roman’s Man God. Jesus (Issa ) was a Jewish rabbi, He lived as a monotheist Jew and preached for worshiping God the father only, after He left this earth Paul aka soul of tarsus (sent and assigned by Roman Empire ) started making lies to the people that Jesus appeared to him and made him his apostle. The disciples of Jesus did not believe the lies of Paul and they Called Paul a Liar 🤥 (book of acts 21:21 tells us some story) so one by one the disciples of Jesus were put on roman cross (9 out of 11 disciples) and were killed , Except Paul who had Roman support to spread the lies and convert Jews and gentiles to polytheism (multiple God) till paul became a treat to Roman Empire (all christians started seeing Paul as their only authority but not Roman emperor ) also at that time romans did not need Paul anymore. So romans beheaded Paul too. Ramon’s made Jesus God and destroyed his teachings of monotheism by replacing it polytheism (trinity). Monotheism was a big treat to pig eaters romans But not trinity because this was their concept of God. Romans re-wrote and replaced the history about the disciples of Jesus by wiping out everything from James the brother of Jesus and other disciples. Prof Robert Eisenman has a book and KZbin videos with proofs. Check it out.