Jesus vs. Zalmoxis

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Sources:
Plato - Charmides
Strabo - Geography Book
Herodotus - Persian Wars
Julian - Kingdoms
Origen - Contra Celsus
Mircea Eliade - Zalmoxis: The Vanishing God
NT Wright - The Resurrection of the Son of God

[@postmodpen1169]

I am a simple Romanian, I see Zalmoxis, i click

[@lukesalazar9283]

Y tho?

[@LyubomirIko]

So does a Bulgarian did :P We need some Greece here too!

[@postmodpen1169]

@@lukesalazar9283 Because Zamolxe is a deity for the dacians, the ancestors of romanians

[@cosco4ever]

@@postmodpen1169 Zamolxe(Zalmoxis) was an Thracian god (where in old time Thracia was extended from Bulgaria-Romania up to a good side of Ukraine ) (Romania-Dacia was Thracia in the most pure stat in old time!! that has still yet to come the Bulgarians brothers will be probably disappointed when they see the true!

[@neroh5708]

@@cosco4ever actually no , Thracians are the cousins of dacians , and lived în nowadays Bulgaria, and the dacians in Romania (later on expanding a bit , but not much ).

[@nmjjmn663]

These claims are the perfect example of the mythicist's relying on quantity over quality.

[@novoid5761]

Hello from Dacia (Romania) 🇷🇴🇷🇴

[@ryankrakinski8926]

Richard Carrier disliked this video.

[@leo_bernal2018]

Hahaha 😂😂😂

[@jeremyjohn8199]

InspiringPhilosophy, God bless you for the good work you are doing. Please accept my heartful thanks for being a great source of information for budding apologists.

[@tangentcreative1]

I asked Carrier, who was replying to me on a post, how does he think Caiaphas and Pilate existed but the man they judicated, Jesus, didn’t? *crickets*

[@CRAFTE.D]

GPH Link? If you would?

[@kymmoore853]

I always think about this one, whenever people say ‘so and so’ didn’t exist you just have to think about it. Pilate wasn’t popular in Rome, we know this much, and was know to rule with an iron fist. So when everything started kicking off prior to 70ad why wouldn’t Nero have just recalled records from Judea, had someone look into it, and then said “there is no record of a man by that name having ever been crucified, they’re lying to you!”

[@danharte6645]

@@kymmoore853 it's also funny to note that even the Jewish critics and persecutors of Christianity never denied that Christ lived. That in itself is enough to slap away Carriers absurd claim

[@doctornov7]

@@danharte6645 Why would there be a need to deny his existence if he never existed? Silence is surely what we'd expect?

[@doctornov7]

@@kymmoore853 It wasn't a conflict involving Christians, it was Jews. There was no need to research Jesus aha, he wasn't relevant.

[@adamsloan9616]

Fascinating video as always! Thank you.

[@razvanandreiantonescurogoz4236]

As a Romanian (descendent of Dacians and Romans), I am glad you made this video. While Dacians had no idea of resurrection, they did believe in the immortality of the soul, that suffering predominates in this world and that a good fate awaits the just. They also had advanced medical knowledge and believed the soul must also be treated, not just the body. However, that just means that it was easier for Dacians to accept Christianity, the first wave of baptisms being during the time of the apostle Andrew; we built a monastery near the cave where he used to rest, in South-East Romania and he is the patron saint of Romania. So, Jesus was not inspired by Zamolxis, He is the second Person of the Holy Trinity, but Zalmoxianism helped the spread of Christianity, just like the Roman influence, after 313 AD (the Edict of Milano) and later the Byzantine influence helped spread Christianity in Romanian lands, and we fought to keep our Orthodox Christian faith ever since.

[@alexandracalistru7433]

Indeed, our pagan religion was the most christian-friendly one, I think. That's why we managed to keep our orthodoxy.

[@cosco4ever]

first read how old Zalmoxis he born much earlier than just Jessus like 3000 years at last.. second Romanians is not Descendent of Romans learn about the war of Daco-Romans who last for at last 300 years and maybe you will see the true im talking for you(Romans are nothing but Greeks or descendent of Dacians Thracians) !! and the most important third dont come with fake acc to post and use Romanian name aswell :)

[@florinteo6795]

The oldest proof or christian-orthodoxy in old Romania, dates from the year 1234! Before then there where christians with original traditions and also with many stories about who we where and kinda are! Also, before The Great Schism (East-West Schism) from the year 1054, orthodox-christianity was not even be a separat religion! ^_^

[@florinteo6795]

@@cosco4ever Do not mistake the people with the priest/god/kind Zalmoxis! Oldest proofs of the veneration of Zalmoxis, dates from the 6-7th century BCE! :)

[@bigdick3228]

Was Saint Andrew a Solomonari? I heard that there was a pagan sorcerer called Santandrei who was the basis for St. Andrew's Eve. I would love to know more of this.

[@dan4Jesus2012]

Another job well done IP; I've liked & faved! Thanks for being an inspiration to my faith. Keep up the good work & God Bless :-)

[@thenopasslook]

Prepare to be cursed out by Richard Carrier once he finds this.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

It would be an honor.

[@stickmansam8436]

*@IP* Has Carrier responded to any of your Jesus vs pagan gods vids so far? lol I'm wondering :-)

[@thenopasslook]

InspiringPhilosophy Do you think he would be willing to have a debate with you?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Maybe. I just got his 600 page book and started reading it, so maybe when I finish him we can ask.

[@thenopasslook]

InspiringPhilosophy Nice. Jp Holding sent me some material he had reviewing that book but I never bought it for myself.

[@blakegiunta]

Great work!

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Thanks, Blake. That means a lot coming from you!

[@redwoodmystic826]

These Jesus Vs videos are my favorite of yours.

[@dmx7329]

really? actually it is for me the opposite they are the worst xD he needs to go back to science or some philosophy at least :D

[@redwoodmystic826]

@@dmx7329 This is philosphy. Christian philosophy. So many pagans and atheists, knowingly and unknowingly, rip off Christians ideas and try to use them to refute Christianity. These videos are important because they point out the very real differences between Christian and pagan philosophies and shows all religions aren't pretty much the same thing.

[@dmx7329]

well i guess but still for me science is my area love it a lot more than ''Debunking Zeitgeist''

[@kennybeginner4087]

@@redwoodmystic826 it's the other way, religious people rip off hard working people and then throw with mud in them, being ungrateful without recognizing that they are freeloaders

[@martacute3620]

Zalmolxis the God of Geto Dacians documentary movie canale Daniel Roxin

[@romantisanon4647]

I hadn't even heard of this Zalmoxis guy...

[@Player-re9mo]

He is the god of my ancestors.

[@talksolot]

Hear, hear, hail the god of the ancestors! 🙌

[@postmodpen1169]

@Dar13 Me No. The dacians worshiped him

[@cooking_innovations]

He is my great grandfather

[@cosco4ever]

@Dar13 Me the Romanians(Dacians or Getae-Gaetia old time) not Romans

[@orthodoxdefender7492]

Thanks for the video! I also did a video on Jesus vs Zalmoxis, anticipating your video. I focused on showing that not even the present day Zalmoxis theories made by Zalmoxian fans are so ridiculous as the atheists claims (I'm from Romania [ex-Dacia] and there is quite an interest here about Thracians and Zalmoxis and people tend to exagerrate.)

[@onik_dovah4354]

Taci si du te sa dai like la toate vid urile lu bojan

[@3wL7]

Onik Dovah Are dreptate! Teoriile voastre despre religia geto-dacilor sunt aiureli. Nu se stiu decat extrem de putine lucruri despre ea, restul sunt inventii ale unor neopagani dusi cu pluta.

[@onik_dovah4354]

@@3wL7 Da stiu dar orthodox defender si cu mine ne uitam amandoi la un canal ortodox al unui sarb pe nume Bojan si ii stiu contul din vedere era doar o gluma. Dar admir ca ai simtit nevoia sa mi corectezi presupusa greseala.

[@3wL7]

Onik Dovah A, scuze.

[@onik_dovah4354]

@@3wL7 nu ti fa probleme :)))

[@FirstPeterr]

Richard is reaching hard!

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

Hey IP, I've been a long time follower and you have helped me so much. I just started college, and my first philosophy class, and you have really inspired me, and helped me carry on meaningful conversations with the professor. I just wanted to ask real quick, can you do a response of chaosism's "cosmic lottery & the fine tuning of the universe" ? He is asking for criticisms but no one is giving it. If not in a video would you point me to some good resources criticizing his ideas? Thank you

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I did: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kICQgqywqKmgptU

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

@@InspiringPhilosophy thanks! I didn't even know you had that video!

[@martacute3620]

Zalmolxis The God of Geto Dacians documentary movie canale Daniel Roxin!

[@massey904]

Before Zalmoxis was I AM.

[@roniejayrondina5993]

lol

[@TTTristan1]

you were wut?

[@neroh5708]

Why couldn't God find a better and not as confusing nickname ?

[@TTTristan1]

@Saint Dragon Yeah. Still wondering what word was lost in translation at the end of the verse.

[@stancuvictor1394]

And before you I AM

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

Geez what’s next...was Jesus framed after Spider-Man ?

[@chrisoliverdelacruz5347]

well, what atheists often claim is that Jesus is just as real as spiderman, so yeah? lol.

[@ryankrakinski8926]

I wouldn’t be surprised. Mythicists LOVE choosing multiple pagan gods, including ones that postdate Jesus, such as Balder. No, seriously.

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

Using something that doesn’t exist to prove something else doesn’t exist, haha yeah that logic probably does run a muck amongst atheist.

[@StefanThomas-lifestyle]

The story of Jesus' death and resurrection is a perfect example of PLAGIARISM from older pagan literature. Tammuz was a god of Assyria, Babylonia and Sumeria. He was also celebrated with the cross symbol (I dare any Christian to look this up). Ctesias author of Persika, wrote about Tammuz. The ancient poet has perpetuated his memory in rhyme. “Trust, ye saints, in your risen Lord; For the pains which Tammuz endured Our salvation have procured.” (400 B.C.) This was written before any book in the New Testament of the Bible. Before the Jesus story. And the legend of Tammuz goes back thousands of years. Doesn’t the Bible story of the death of Jesus, sound just like Tammuz? Risen Lord who died and suffered pain to bring salvation to humanity? Also celebrated with the cross symbol? Isn’t that what the Bible says about Jesus? Yes. Christians: This is not by mere coincidence. So don’t excuse it as such. So why believe in a Bible man who walked on water, was born of a virgin and raised from the dead? Alot of the Bible is based upon stolen pagan concepts predating it. There was NO virgin birth. Its a fable. And that's only ONE example out of the hundreds I could give you. The ancient deity of Tammuz came WAY before the story of Jesus. Even in ancient Mesopotamian clay tablets dating to the Amorite Period dating from the periods 2000-1600 BC containing teachings of Tammuz and the legend are currently held in the Louvre museum in Paris. This was written BEFORE ANY book in the bible. Older than the Book of Genesis which was written around 1440 B.C. Look THAT up. NO BOOK can tell you what a god wants. And NO BOOK could ever prove WHO or WHAT created us. And no book can ever prove that what you worship had a son who was sinless, born of a virgin and rose from the dead. The Bible even mentions the worship of Tammuz in Ezekiel 8:14. Bible wroters were WELL AWARE of these pagan teachings. And if they were WELL AWARE of it, it should be NO SHOCK to you that they stole these pagan concepts. It JUST like Christians who decorate their trees on Dec 25th. Smh. Dec 25th is a PAGAN holiday and the tree decorating is forbidden in the book of Jeremiah because it says that its a detestable practice of PAGANS (Jeremiah 10:1-5, BIBLE). But YET Christians STILL decorate their trees every year and celebrate on December 25th which is a PAGAN holiday (Yule Tides) December 25th is NOT Jesus' birthday! And those decorated trees have nothing to do with Jesus. Read the bible closely and you'll figure that out. I speak FACTS 💯 The bible writers STOLE concepts from pagans. But All you have are CLAIMS. There's a difference between facts and claims. Facts are proven, demonstrable and don't require faith. However, your claims DO require faith.

[@rapu89]

Could you please do a dissection of the increasingly popular arguments about Judaism being derived from Cananite and Babylonian myths, like Marduk and Tiamat for example? Thank you in advance!

[@jeshaunharrell8288]

May you make a video on prayer: its history, what it is according to history and Scripture, etc.

[@redwoodmystic826]

Someone tried telling me once that John the Baptist was a copy of a character from India named Johann who went around baptising with water. Looked around all I could for an Indian baptist named Johann with no avail. I don't even think the name John or Johann is remotely Indian prior to the spread of Christianity.

[@ryankrakinski8926]

Reminds me of "Anup the Baptizer"

[@buttercxpdraws8101]

Well this will blow your mind. John isn’t a Hebrew name either!!!!

[@jmyers912]

@Inspiring Philosophy Can you do Jesus vs Soteria next?

[@AndrewTheFrank]

Find it amusing how everyone tries to discredit ancient Israelite and christian theology by finding parallels in other faiths, but that in a way just strengthens their claims. If you believe the flood into tower of babel stories then at one point the human population would have had a unified theology and its not until their separation that their traditions and beliefs deviate. In such a case you should expect some commonalities since each of the traditions should still retain fragments.

[@ourbulwarkisjesuschrist9435]

I often thought about this as well. All throughout the world there are stories of a giant flood, which proves that either there was a global flood, or that there was a dispersion of the post-flood society--both conclusions confirm the Bible.

[@Lightwooden]

Well why deny the possibility of the ancient Israelites inheriting their knowledge from others? You think the Israelites were around since the very beginning? Nope.

[@Dmlaney]

Well how does Jesus fit in so well with the Old Testament if his story was copied from a completely different religion?

[@petersalucci5444]

Dmlaney Jesus is seen throughout the whole bible..... it’s like all events were leading up to Him, almost like he’s the main character.

[@mattnewhouse1781]

Actually there is no mention of jesus in old testament and prob a thousand years in between the old and new.

[@petersalucci5444]

Matt Newhouse There is in the Old Testament.... it just doesn’t mention his English name Isaiah 6:9 Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

[@Julius064]

There are many prophecies in the OT that speak of a coming messiah.

[@Dmlaney]

+Matt Newhouse *The Jews of the time of Jesus interpreted their scriptures to say that there was a coming Messiah. That is why they argued with the apostles of Jesus about whether Jesus was that Messiah or not* . They were closer to the time when those scriptures were produced so I think they should be given credibility in that point. The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes as well as the Christians interpreted the Old Testament in that way.

[@bareit98]

Note to Christ mythers: Correlation =/= causation

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

You can't expect them to understand that.

[@williamw3501]

Or provide an argument without the 3 A's. A claim that is not arbitrary, anecdotal or arbitrary

[@TheAeoxEternal]

william w Look another person arguing with a bifurcation fallacy, but he added in an extra choice! How gracious.

[@orthodoxdefender7492]

Also IP, Mircea Eliade's name is pronounced Myr-cha Eh-lya-deh. :)

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Orthodox Defender thanks, I thought it might be wrong. It happens

[@giggajames1903]

I wonder how many more episodes there will be, seeing as we've reached the "Obscure Dacian Gods" arc?

[@annoyingdude76]

I was like ''who's Mercy Ele?'' and then I saw the quote. I didn't know Mircea Eliade was pronounced like that in English

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I may have mispronounced his name,

[@annoyingdude76]

minor unimportant detail, I don't know why I even brought it up. I think it's supposed to sound like ''Myr-che'' ''Elly-add'' (similar sound The ''Iliad'')

[@LupulAlb101]

Search for golden tablets from Tartaria (Sinaia)

[@LupulAlb101]

@Kerimcanak search again 🤣🤣🤣

[@LupulAlb101]

@Kerimcanak ...en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%83rt%C4%83ria_tablets

[@Christopher_TheFool]

Next they’re going to say Jesus is a copy of Donald trump.

[@mwwillowtree]

Zalmoxis His name sounds like an antibiotic

[@irairem4651]

We can all say 'our Jesus' but Zalmoxis belongs to the romanians only, and that's a fact!

[@Juicema5terfunk]

Carrier does say that anyone who was educated in Greek, such as Paul who wrote in Greek, studied Herodotus and would know the story of Zalmoxis

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Luckily, we can study Herodotus as well see there is nothing really there to compare to Jesus.

[@dmx7329]

BTW for all people here are the list of videos that are gonna come up next the next video on this channel is gonna be ''what is a god of the gaps fallacy'' i assume IP is just gonna explain how bad skeptics use this fallacy too many times in the wrong cases and scenarios and when the god of the gaps fallacy cant be used anymore btw would i personally also address the problem that the god of the gaps fallacy seems only to have been on an atheist created website named ''rationalwiki'' to have been first come up but it actually never reached philosophical consensus as in the academic book for all fallacies there was no mentioning of a ''god of the gaps fallacy'' or a ''divine fallacy'' or a ''didit (did it) fallacy'' it seems to even be made up probably not everything is a fallacy if i say saying that black holes have gravity is a fallacy is me making up fallacys and so they are not correct this seems to be the same case as with the so called god of the gaps fallacy www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies here is btw proof that IP said that cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462715888899063813/491993621168521216/fgdfdgdfg.png sadly for all my science fans there will be no science video for a long time sadly but according to IP he said that he updated his list and there will be a lot more new videos that will come out i hope +InspiringPhilosophy will tell us what he has updated on the list to perfectly know what will come up in the next time btw im mostly hyped for number 7 on the list ''Halloween is not pagan''

[@petersalucci5444]

Dm X Wow cool, thx for clearing that.... what’s the god of the gaps again? I’ve heard of it, atheists often use it and I just suspected that it’s something They’ve made to make it look like god isn’t real or something.

[@dmx7329]

god of the gaps is a supposed fallacy that say's ,,just because something is unexplained it dosent mean that god did it''

[@petersalucci5444]

Dm X Oh yeah that haha

[@dmx7329]

+Greenies sadly we currently dont have a discord IP thinks discord is useless mostly i talk with him on facebook but i probably gonna creat a discord server so that we as a community can talk there i might do it for IP and us so we can discuss a lot of diffrent topics there it seems a lot of people requested this and i also belive it is a good idea i will ask IP about it

[@dmx7329]

*peter Salucci exactly that

[@ThcDude777]

Apollo the hyperboreean from Hyperboeea ATLANTIS EDEN ,PELASGEEA, HAVILLAH VALAHIA, POLUS GETICUS , AXIS MUNDI. Romania is called by the vatican garden of the virgin Mary, land of the Gods... all greek gods are imported from Thraco-Pelasgo-GetoDacian culture, they are north dabubian **gods**

[@whospilledmybeans]

Theory: dietys back then was a catch phrase for post- yoga teachers who zen on the floor and hold ancient classes for the townsfolk.

[@thomasturton6683]

Good video but Contra Celsus -"Against Celsus" was written by Origen, not Celsus.

[@leonarduskarolusiuliustant7498]

Yes, but Celsus' work is now lost, and we know it only from the quotations that Origen provided in his refutation

[@sageseraph5035]

Didn't CS Lewis say in a talk that there were hints of Jesus in the dying and rising pagan gods?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yeah, but he had limited data to work on and I have never been convinced by that, especially when you look at the evidence.

[@sageseraph5035]

InspiringPhilosophy Ok, yeah. I agree. It's just kind of weird that he and Justin Martyr both believed in this.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Justin Martyr is taken out of context. I need to do a video on him and his quotes.

[@sageseraph5035]

InspiringPhilosophy Got it. Thanks bro. You are fulfilling your appointment as the Image of God!

[@DManCAWMaster]

InspiringPhilosophy You should do a video on reason and faith

[@stancuvictor1394]

The Jews didn't know about Zalmoxis story from the getae ,but from the greeks that were familiar with Herodotus writings....the contradictions between herodotus and strabon accounts of zalmoxis are due to the fact that strabon mix herodot story with the reforms made in zalmoxian religion in the second century bc .among these reforms were the introduction of astronomy in worship(one temple for each planet), elimination of wine cosumption ,apparition of zalmoxian celibate monks ,disparition of tombs,elimination of human sacrifice of the messenger and many others .so strabon conflate these 2nd century bc reforms with the older version of zalmoxian religion ,accounted by herodotus.in the 400 years between herodotus and strabon the zalmoxian religion suffered many modifications.

[@lianearaujo6803]

Gratidão🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 RJ BRASIL

[@martacute3620]

Zalmolxis the God of Geto Dacians documentary movie canale Daniel Roxin

[@mocojordan7675]

Also in Romania you can find the world's oldest shack dwelling 18,000 years before Christ in the Oltenia area, the oldest tarnacop used for mining 18,000 years, the oldest mining activity in the world, If you want you can also look for the sea here exhibition from America, which is called The Old Danube Valley 5000-3500.

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

Hey IP, today in my Philosophy class we discussed Paley's version of the fine tuning argument (his arguement from design) this is an old argument, but one of the students brought up an objection that applies to any fine tuning argument. Basically, what is the significance that the universe is fine tuned for life? Of course its absurdly improbable, but he basically asked why care that the universe is fine tuned for life? What is the justification that the purpose of the universe is to support life? It seems like an assumption of the fta that the purpose of the universe is the existence of life. In your refuting wap video, you give the deck of cards example where one random string of four cards is highly improbable, but meaningless, where the universe is complex and not meaningless. How can we justify to skeptics that the purpose of the universe is to support life and this combination is not just a meaningless one such as four random cards? I feel like there is an issue with this objection, but I can't quite articulate it. Thank you for responding to people's comments. You are such a great resource!

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Is there something else in the universe as unique as life? What else could be the result if not life and the evolution of intelligent life? It is a question of probability.

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

@@InspiringPhilosophy so is the purpose of the universe to allow for the evolution of life/ intelligent life?

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

@@InspiringPhilosophy or is it not a question of purpose? Because on theism, we understand this purpose, but atheists reject it. Our justification of this purpose of the universe is our Christian beliefs. So if it is just a probability issue, what makes our spectacular and improbable universe any different than 4 random cards chosen? It is very improbable to choose that sequence, but why is the sequence of random cards meaningless while the arrangement of the universe is not? For me it is obvious, but I am still struggling to articulate it. Thank you for your help and patience

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Remember this is a probability argument. It is more probable the universe was fine-tuned for life than finely tuned for rocks, given what we know about both.

[@birdingwithjohn5545]

@@InspiringPhilosophy hmm. Perhaps I'm overthinking this. Is the argument purely that a life-permitting universe is vastly less probable than a prohibiting one? If so, it seems to avoid the issue of purpose, but now that you say that it is more probable that the universe is fine tuned for the existence of life rather than some inanimate object, I am curious how this can be justified to an atheist? How is it that life gets preference over inanimate objects when talking about the reason for fine tuning? Thank you

[@stancuvictor1394]

Jesus heard Zalmoxis story and fake his own death

[@comfortmisery2242]

Do you know what SRA is?

[@account2871]

Carrier is the final boss of the docetist heresy

[@AndreeaCe]

Hehe... Psychology professor in high school "okay, kids, time from some truth, but don't rant me to the religion professor, I don't want a drama". When I mean religion professor, I don't mean someone whom was teaching us about all religions, but a Christian Orthodox religion professor. Resurrection is similar to reincarnation, rebirth, might be it's a lost in translation thingy...similar, but different, if not different, then same thing. Of course one can be reassured, look at near death experience, if we were to talk about it from that point of view, or cryogenics...around that time were some harsh winters around here if I am not mistaken.

[@dumi4688]

That guy the people talked about in the ancient times is also know as Deceneu , after his wisdom proved to be more than useful for the dacians the people start comparing him with a god. Some really taught he might be the son of God Gebeleizis. Later the world spread saying he was the god itself and so Zalmoxis took Gebeleizis place. The description of God made by Zalmoxis is vaguely similar to the description of God in the Christian orthodox Bible. More than so it is not the only story similar to the story of Jesus. From what I can tell the Bible seems to be a resume of ancient stories.

[@AlisSpark]

These arguments run backwards. You could also say that Zalmoxis was based on jesus or that it's the tale of jesus that made it into other countries just with different names etc. Saying that something exists in the pagan world as well as in the jewish one doesn't mean that the jewish one was copied. These arguments run nowhere. The only thing we can say is that there are similar stories elsewhere in the world to the story of jesus - implying that something like this has happened for real. With the christian faith spreading everywhere though it seems most likely that he's the original and zalmoxis is the copy

[@pizdara]

With one addition, Zalmoxis lived before Buddha, and before Christ!

[@giorgosgiorgos6702]

Could you do a video about Adam and Eve? I love your videos

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2WceGeqns2Labs

[@christianharang]

Adam and Eve or Atam and Eua?

[@stancuvictor1394]

the contradictions between herodotus and strabon accounts of zalmoxis are due to the fact that strabon mix herodot story with the reforms made in zalmoxian religion in the second century bc .among these reforms were the introduction of astronomy in worship(one temple for each planet), elimination of wine cosumption ,apparition of zalmoxian celibate monks ,disparition of tombs,elimination of human sacrifice of the messenger and many others .so strabon conflate these 2nd century bc reforms with the older version of zalmoxian religion ,accounted by herodotus.in the 400 years between herodotus and strabon the zalmoxian religion suffered many modifications.

[@petersalucci5444]

Hey IP could you do a video on Noah’s ark/ the flood?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yeah, I am planning for that next year.

[@petersalucci5444]

InspiringPhilosophy Okay, thx again IP :D

[@therealcts504]

Hey ip, what would you say to someone who is scared of the fact that reality is not real, because I'm one of those people. It actually gives me scary anxiety attacks, and I was depressed for a while about it like 2 months ago. am I just thinking about it in a negative way or something? is their a positive outlook on this that is reassuring or not scary to think about? I figured your the best person to ask. I'm just having trouble seeing this fact in a positive light, and only negative thoughts arise from reality being a illution, can u help me? thank you ps. thank u for taking the time to reply to pretty much all my comments, I appreciate it a lot man🖒

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I don't know what you mean.

[@therealcts504]

InspiringPhilosophy I guess that for some reason it is scary to me, i was trying to fight the simulation stuff because I don't want to live in a simulation. I can't really explain it or why I'm exically scared. I guess that things being a wave or something before we see it is unsettling

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Why would it matter?

[@therealcts504]

InspiringPhilosophy idk, see like I said, i think I was just looking at it the wrong way. there's many ways to look at things and I was just looking at it natagitivly. But if it's not a bad thing then I should just be cool with it I guess. I guess the thing that was bothering me was that there was no objective reality. It's just really weird. I thought I had the universe figured out, but then this quantum mechanics thing comes round...idk man. if god can't create a reality that is "real" than he doesent seem omniscient. I mean and why does he see only what we see? why can't he (or wont) just observe the whole universe into existence all at once? maybe he did it on purpose so we would find it, idk. And why do u think God is the simulator instead of a computer simulation like most people interpret quantum mechanics? And if he's not the simulator then we are just AI, which is pretty not cool. science has proved that we are 99.999% in a simulation most likely, so why would god have to simulate it? Point is that how do we know it's god, and why can't he just make it 100% real rather than a simulation. And btw I'm not trying to debate or anything, I love this channel and I'm a big fan, I was just hoping u could clear a couple of questions I had. thx

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I think there is an objective reality. It is just objectively emergent from underlying information processing.

[@XGoliath132]

At 3:23 you have a wrong there. You use their instead of there

[@HeroQuestFans]

ask your doctor if Zalmoxis is right for you

[@John-lf3xf]

What evidence do you have for the supposition that man can make sense of the metaphysics of reality? This is what differentiates the methodological naturalists(logical theology)from the pressuppositionalists(strictly apophatic theology)

[@HiFugly]

3:16 ACKCHYUALLY, you should have written "there" instead of "their." "There" is used to refer to the location of something while "their" is referring to something that belongs to somebody.

[@epicchrist2941]

when will you make a video about exodus?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

After I go through Genesis and the archeological evidence to support it.

[@epicchrist2941]

archeological evidence support it. You know avaris and such. There is a documentery about it. There is also a lecture about it with david rohl, I may not like his suggestion to rearrange chronology but he is good at what he is doing.

[@dmx7329]

actually funny is i and IP and a few others had a debate with david rohl he commented on IP's facebook page and is making up really bad arguments

[@epicchrist2941]

well david rohl do have good arguments for exodus but not for the chronology in my opinion.

[@dmx7329]

correct we actually also only debunked his chronology

[@stickmansam8436]

Excellent as usual. I never really paid much further attention (and rightfully so) to the Mythicist idea that Jesus was "just a copy of pagan gods" or that His life was based of them. The idea that, His Jewish followers would've flirted with paganism to make-up stories about Him and preach these to fellow strict Jewish monotheists (who followed the Scriptures that constantly told them to turn away from pagan gods) is silly :-)

[@Userius1]

The Jews worshipped Asherah. The Israelites were just late henotheists. There is nothing eschatologically superior about them vs. other pagans.

[@jeanevelguerrier7703]

​@@Userius1 false

[@Userius1]

@@jeanevelguerrier7703 nah

[@eggsandtoastproduction7663]

Lived "their" (sic) for three years 3.19? what has happened to orthography?

[@stancuvictor1394]

You miss quoteing herodotus.he clearly mention Zalmoxis resurection after 4 years

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Really? Why don't you quote him and show me where he says anastasis.

[@stancuvictor1394]

@@InspiringPhilosophyafter a last supper with the rulers, Zalmoxis enter the underground chamber.the dacians mourning him as if he was death.after 3 years he exited his chamber prooving his teachings. It seems you forgot the mourning as if he is death part in order to induce in error your viewers

[@stancuvictor1394]

@@InspiringPhilosophy second.to ask me to find anastasis word is dishonest,as for Herodotus the Zalmoxis was most likely a caharlatan ,only pretending to be death in order to induce Dacians in error.so Herodotus couldn't use the word anastasis for someone only pretending to be death.zalmoxis was either existed the underground chamber by a secret door,or it was secretly feed for 3 years.

[@mocojordan7675]

De asemenea mai puteti gasi un reportaj autentic,si cu date mai detaliate, in The Thracians Hidden History, pe acest canal.

[@biff-6603]

Why would you want to argue that the Jesus myth is based on Zalmoxis? Christianity simply incorporated many pre-existing pagan myths - the idea of resurrection from the Thracians and the concept of heaven and hell from the Zoroastrians. Early Christian writers knew about Zalmoxis not because they were Jewish rabis but rather because they were Greek Orphics. Resurrection of the soul is a later development in Christianity, not in the original Jesus myth as Jews don't believe in a soul.

[@sageseraph5035]

Hey, IP I was wondering what your thoughts on homosexuality were. I agree with the Bible in condemning it, but I've had a harm time trying to explain why. My main argument has been that homosexuality is based in hedonistic pleasure rather than real love, but I'm not sure how to defend this. Many gay people may be like this, but I'm having trouble going against the whole thing. Can you help me out?

[@sageseraph5035]

Oh yeah, and I've searched around for this, but haven't found a full encompassing answer.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I argue it is a covenantal sin. To be in covenant with Christ means we have to imitate Christ's love for the church in our marriages. So that would mean male and female marriages only.

[@sageseraph5035]

InspiringPhilosophy Wouldn't that contradict Romans 1 where people both male and female committed the sin of homosexuality yet they were not under any of the abrahamic covenants? That kinda seems dissatisfying to me.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I didn't say they were under the Abrahamic covenant. The new covenant requires our marriages only be male and female.

[@sageseraph5035]

InspiringPhilosophy But Paul is talking about all peoples since a big part of this is about idol worship and he says "Since the creation of the world" when speaking about all of this. People knew God through what God had created and then people created idols and did things contrary to nature (murder, homosexuality, etc.).

[@danaureliangrandori2235]

Jesus Christ was Dacian , he was no jewish because at that time he looked like a tall man , with blue eyes and blonde hair, Christeos , meaning the golden one. The jews were small , with darked skins and eyes.

[@edmonddantes1203]

You made a confusion. It is not Celsus who talks there but Origen. That is why the book is called "Origenis contra Celsus".

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

I quoted from a section written by Celsus

[@christfollower5713]

Can you help brother with Reference of Celsus accusing Jesus miracles as sorcery and trick ? God bless😊

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

What about it?

[@christfollower5713]

I mean where i can find that Celsus accused Jesus of being sorcerer and tricking ppl , because that would be one of the ancient history proving Jesus as miracle worker , so i wanted to know where can i find this testimony of celsus

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

In Origen's work.

[@stancuvictor1394]

Jesus read Zalmoxis story from Herodotus and fake his own death by being out of town for a couple of days.his accomplices were Peter, James, Judah and Gamaliel.so neither Bart erhman or mythicists are right.

[@danielcharland1374]

Never heard of this Zalmoxis guy, but that's an awesome name. I might steal that for a fiction story or something.

[@Player-re9mo]

He is the god of my ancestors. He truly is cool.

[@elenagisa1318]

he was venerated by the people by shooting arrows in the sky before a battle :) that may make your story spicy :P

[@alexandrusimo899]

@@elenagisa1318 actually that was to calm down the gods when in storm or lightning

[@elenagisa1318]

@@alexandrusimo899 I stand by my statement and is my opinion and you also can have your opinion BUT if you try to say that your opinion is more right or more important than mine, than I will send you to your origins without any remorse.

[@martacute3620]

Zalmolxis the God of Geto Dacians documentary movie canale Daniel Roxin

[@chetgaines1289]

you seem to be assuming carrier believes that jesus' resurrection was on earth, which misses the point of his mythicist position.

[@clubadv]

Ah , a rejoinder to Richard Carrier. So you don't see the plausibility of Jesus concept coming from like even Osiris ? I do recall how hard it was to shed the spell of religion.

[@Pelasgo-Thracians]

2 link about Zalmoxis :

[@ThcDude777]

Zalmoxis Primus Getarum Legislator !! AUUU AUUUU AAUUUUUUU He is the incarnation of Apollo, an avatar of Vishnu , and one and the same SOUL as Jesus Christ amen !! Amen RAAA !!!

[@johnyoung9976]

I always thought once we die we go to heaven and that it is a spiritual realm now I’m kinda confused

[@youyoubanboss9019]

My dad wants to be Zalmoxis but he want but his not

[@doraelting1854]

Dionysiaka = paraphrases of The Gospel of John by Nonnus !

[@baybornbalkanbaby7277]

Repent and Trust in Jesus.

[@hellavadeal]

The new thing is saying Jesus never existed. That the whole story was mad up by the epistles. How far people will go to deny truth is amazing. How many people believe them is scary.

[@peli_candude554]

They have good intentions...and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@CompuExperts]

There is no reason to believe that this mythical figure ever existed. Facts, you may not like them, but accept them.

[@dmx7329]

+Compu Experts lmfao what facts you present nonsense since we have tremendous proof of jesus existing all scholars including historical and archeological and geographical data and scholars would spit you in your face for saying something else stop spreading misinformatione and accept the facts ma nigga

[@ryankrakinski8926]

0:06 "Dying-and-Rising Gods: It’s Pagan, Guys. Get Over It." And Jesus actually existed, Carrier. Get over it.

[@Zeupater]

(+Ryan Krakinski). There’s nothing to "get over." Jesus may or may not have existed. We have no way to know for sure. There’s not much evidence for him either way. Besides, "Jesus" was a relatively common name then as it is now in the form of Joshua. So even if we grant there was a guy named Jesus we’re left wondering which one should we be concerned with? But after all this, it doesn’t really matter. Even if we assume there was a particular person named Jesus, for the claim that that person was also the son of the Jewish God, or as some would have it, God incarnate, as Christopher Hitchens would say 'you’re still left holding an empty bag.' There is no more evidence for this than the belief that Aesklepios was a divine healer who ascended to heaven.

[@gabrielhughes8221]

@@Zeupater so wrong we do know that JESUS CHRIST existed.

[@dmx7329]

+Zeupater Studios i am sorry but you are an idiote we know he existed there is too much proof and you are an idiote if you would deny that fact

[@Zeupater]

(+Gabriel Hughes). Evidence, please?

[@dmx7329]

+Zeupater here it is too easy kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ7PZnafm5VknZY

[@borisrodriguez1821]

I think zalmoxis was so wrong, even if I don't know what that is

[@dmx7329]

Zalmoxis was a pagan god who was however very friendly as it seems he was a romanic god btw and yes he is wrong and cant be compared to Yesuha

[@cosco4ever]

@@dmx7329 Zalmoxis in simple words was actualy an human who actually lived 3000 years before Jesus in simple words but all what Jesus say in bla bla..he was actually already saying in old writed tablet by Zalmoxis 3000 years before Jesus even born(explained in the most simple words and historical)

[@hochmeisterulrichoffrankfu8207]

Fun fact: it is speculated many Dacians followed the Zamolxis cult and were actually monotheistic and believed in the undying soul, which made it easy for them to later convert to Christianity (we have a concrete example at Porolissum in the 4th century, where a pagan temple was turned into a church).

[@Skbrvrisjsbdvetjtrbejudb]

Dacians were not monotheistic

[@martacute3620]

Zalmolxis the God of Geto Dacians documentary movie canale Daniel Roxin

[@TheCurbyMan]

How do we know that the Early Christians didn’t destroy the evidence from other religions that show Jesus was copied from other Gods? Thanks IP

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

They didn't have that kind of power and even if they somehow managed to do that, we could not posit that without evidence. Possibility is not probability.

[@TheCurbyMan]

InspiringPhilosophy Cool, thanks. :)

[@SamSchmidt-ld1yy]

Hey inspiring philosophies I saw Richard carrier that loser claiming this could you respond to this Thank you. I appreciate the work you put into assembling that. It helps a lot. I don’t see anything here that contradicts what I argued above. In OHJ I only address Marduk in relation to his equation to Ba’al and thus am talking about Mettinger’s discussion of Ba’al. I am explicit about that. The single Assyriatic mock text about Marduk isn’t anything I discuss in OHJ and isn’t relevant to anything I say in OHJ. And none of these quotes of Eliade contradict my highlighted quotes of Eliade. Hansen is confusing Eliade’s discussion of a general category of shamanic death and rebirth rituals (which includes actual cave descents, actual deaths and resurrections, and actual souls leaving bodies in rituals, all different versions of dying and rising) with the specific variant exhibited by the Getae’s mythology of Zalmoxis. This is why Eliade says Zalmoxis’s death and resurrection is “equivalent to” a descent myth, rather than “is” a descent myth. By continuing to mistake “equivalent to” with “is,” Hansen keeps repeating the false claim that the Getae believed Zalmoxis only descended and didn’t die. Herodotus explicitly says the reverse. And indeed, in no text anywhere is it ever said the Getae ever associated any of this with a cave. The cave was a joke made up by Greeks poking fun at the Getae, which the Greeks borrowed from Pythagoras myth. And even in their joke, Zalmoxis never descends to the underworld. The cave is simply used to hide in and pretend he was dead. Which is not a belief any Getae held. So there literally is no “descent myth” for Zalmoxis. Not anywhere. Not in reported beliefs of the Getae. Not even in the joke invented by the Greeks. And nowhere does Eliade actually say otherwise

[@thomasanderson1416]

Christianity says you live physically forever on this earth? are you sure?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yes.kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXSqk3eBo754r9E

[@Atreus21]

I can see it next. "Sigh. Was Jesus just a myth based on Carrot Top." "Was Jesus just a myth based on Lassie." "Was Jesus just a myth based on Jabba the Hutt." When atheists hit rock bottom, they ask for a jack hammer.

[@sneeu27]

Mithras, Xamoxis, Bacchus, Horus. Non-believers don't agree with eachother on who Jesus is "copied" on. This shows that they are presenting just theories. Therefore their words shouldn't be taken as fact. Jesus is not based on any Pagan deity or figure

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

The Roman documentation is a death blow to this bs.

[@wilycoyote2869]

Zalmolxis was never a slave, nevermind Pythagora...they both studied science , Pythagora science of Mathematics and Philosophy among other disciplines, Zalmoxis the science of Medicine, Spirit and the Duality of Reality. You'll be surprised what the Vatican is hiding in its archives about the real history of the world...Celsus was just a bitter man for not reaching the greatness of others...

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

If they are hiding it all how do you know what it says?

[@TTTristan1]

Early Christians must have believed they would go to a separate existence for some amount of time. Either that or the world would have to be turned into paradise as soon as they die right? Clearly this cult has that in similarity, as with many other religions with separate afterlifes. 3:22 "... [Zalmoxis] taught them that neither he nor his guests nor any of their descendants would ever die, but that they would go to a place where they would live forever and have all good things. [4] While he was doing as I have said and teaching this doctrine, he was meanwhile making an underground chamber. When this was finished, he vanished from the sight of the Thracians, and went down into the underground chamber, where he lived for three years, [5] while the Thracians wished him back and mourned him for dead; then in the fourth year he appeared to the Thracians, and thus they came to believe what Salmoxis had told them. Such is the Greek story about him." - Herodotus, _The Histories_ www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Hdt.+4.95&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126 It's clear that even if Zalmoxis was not believed to have physically died, he at least was believed to have physically went away for a period of time, similar to Jesus' bodily disappearance after his death and return in the material world. Even if not physically resurrected, some early Christians believe Jesus was spiritually resurrected, never implying a material existence in the first place. Other early Christian beliefs differ significantly from beliefs of this Thracian cult, and I agree we don't know if these people had any contact with the Jews, or if/how their beliefs had reached Jewish people. but I don't see your debunk of the claim of similarity between the savior deity Zalmoxis and the personal savior deity Jesus as very convincing. It makes more sense to me to say the idea of a personal savior deity was involved in many pagan sources and a personal human savior was involved in Jewish sources, and that both _could_ have come together to form Christianity's resurrection story.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

That is a conjecture, at best. We have no reason to suggest Jesus bears any similarities to pagan gods or that there was copying of a savior motif. This is why most scholars reject this idea. The evidence suggests early Christians believed in a physical resurrection: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJfJnqWfpKuheLs

[@lewisbean4250]

+inspiringphilosophy, how would you respond to Carrier’s latest claims in this blog: www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14643 he seems to be relying on argument from silence and this claim that it could just as easily be ‘Chrestos’, and that the Neronic persecution of Christians is a fabrication. Some quite strange arguments in there to make, though not as annoying as his attempts to character assassinate those who disagree with him.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

We have no evidence of any Jew named Chrestus. That was a roman name. The only Chrestus we have evidence for is Jesus. Christians referred to themselves as Chrestians in their own writings.

[@lewisbean4250]

InspiringPhilosophy and what if his even more strange claim the Neronic persecution is mythical and was actually Jewish with Christians being added in later? That seems very spurious, without much evidence. And which writings refer to him as Chrestus or something along those lines?

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

There is no evidence of such a forgery. No Tactician scholar even suggests such a ludicrous claim. It makes his theory on Tacitus ad hoc and should be shaved off by Occam's Razor. What is more ad hoc? A Jewish rabbi named Jesus existed and that is why Tacitus mentioned him. Or that the first Christians believed in a mythical Jesus, even though we have no independent evidence for a group that believed Jesus was just a myth, that there was a different Chrestus Tacitus was talking about than who the Christians were talking about. Add on top of that a clever forger who changed the passage in Tacitus to be about the Christians. Carrier's mythicism is a great example of what it means to multiply entities beyond necessity in order to confirm what you want, that Jesus never existed.

[@lewisbean4250]

InspiringPhilosophy yeah it doesn’t seem to provide any evidence in the blog, it mainly accuses the man responding of being ignorant and deliberately falsifying evidence (ironic) for his view. A lot is just passive aggressive attacks on apologetics rather than actual argumentation. Not to mention although it’s not particularly related, his attempts to dismiss those he disagrees with by claiming they’re delusional or unfit to talk due to mental disorders he is in no way qualified to diagnose is infuriating. It’s not just here where he accuses him of being dishonest if not psychotic, but the way he dealt with Antony Flew or even another atheist who disagrees with him, Thunderf00t is just highly unprofessional, if not outright childish. His blog on Thunderf00t (not the nicest individual mind you) was just character assassination and assertions that he thinks are on par with actual psychiatric evaluations. Thing is, even if he was a psychiatrist, he would still need to evaluate them on a one to one basis and not just try and throw judgements across a computer screen.

[@InspiringPhilosophy]

Yeah, there is a reason other scholars do not take Carrier seriously. The way he portrays himself on his blog is one of them. larryhurtado.wordpress.com/2017/12/07/gee-dr-carrier-youre-really-upset/

[@irisnzanana7100]

Like why would the Jews who believe in one God, to to their deaths believing in Jesus. Why would they change

[@mtlicq]

No

[@dmx7329]

yes i know he isnt a copy lmfao zeitgeist people are dumb

[@christianharang]

Should we count Isus as a vague similarity? The "I Am" of no name, because no one came before Him to call Him a name...claims to have had a "son of God" by the mother goddess RE-YA, that son was Isus or "Is Us". 1..Alef...I Am, 2...Beit..is us. Genesis begins with the beginning or letter Beit because the Alef is silent...He has no name, there no one to describe Him or call Him, or see Him before beit. No such thing as coincidences...love your work but, think we will be needing more in depth research on this comparision before we write it's similarities off so quickly.

[@jcr65566]

N0 This is not the suffering servant told in 3500bce in the Book of Isaiah in the Hebrew Bible. that year before Zalmoxis from atlanticreligion.com/tag/zalmoxis/ God been around for a long time Apart from the central goddess and her two (or four) horses - an image familiar from the Epona cult - Zalmoxis typically show aspects of the chthonic imagery associated with the Thracian/Phrygian deity Sabazios, and Delphic Apollo: namely the serpent or dragon. The dragon was an important and iconic aspect of Dacian symbolism, as evidenced by their legendary ‘Draco’ banners as depicted on Trajan’s column in Rome. The other essential piece of imagery associated with the cult is the sacrificial fish which appears in the image above in three forms: under the hooves of one of the horses, on the ‘altar’ surrounded by three women, and upon a sacral tripod.

[@meditationchannel3987]

Let's put thing this way. Zalmoxis was the got of dacians tracians goti ant vizigoti people and the ocupaid 70% of Europe at the time with the capital at samisedgetusa regia in modern days Romania. Not for from there at tartaria sinaia was found the oldest writhing in the world which is 1000 years older then Sumerian writhing. So basically ancient Romanians were writhing just before the make of the world according to Jewish and Christian believes. So who influence who?

[@Userius1]

You believe communist Daco-Mania. It's a joke. Dacians did not control anywhere near 70% of Europe.

[@ceciliateo9939]

Next mythicist find parallels between batman and Jesus. Its obvious the disciples took information from batman comics to fabricate the Jesus myth

[@boonga585]

3:45

[@allone3496]

People still believe in Christianity ?

[@andrei-cezarbleaje5519]

i think you never known the real christianity, the eastern ortodox.

[@trackingcalin1988]

The Thracians are from Cain's race and History is written by the victors.

[@florinteo6795]

"Fooling their followers" :)))) for like 800 years or more (starting 4th or 5th century BC)! Suuuure! :)))))

[@iubesc_pe_Domnul]

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