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[@viv6594]

Perries dog hatchi unfollowing jesy will never not be iconic

[@chloetyrrell296]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@soprano2087]

Ended her

[@naomistein8900]

Hahaha

[@mukhammadiqbalgemilang4468]

Ikr!

[@alfie2601]

Please it sent me

[@greensparksjp1114]

I think JoJo is a great example of a white woman being influenced by black culture and being respectful about her more soulful R&B approach.

[@gdesiree29]

Yes and she still looks white. Jesy can do that but she don't get it and she doesn't want to listen

[@ThatBranB]

Absolutely!

[@kait7404]

Yes jesy has been disrespectful and this is in no way defending her but bc she left the group “mixers” would find any reason to hate on her regulars less of this situation it’s a bunch of kids who are buthurt dragging her for every move before she even put out her song

[@saylorphysicaltherapy1529]

💯

[@jayyiri4666]

Yup. She’s influenced and loves it and supports black people and yet she isn’t trying to look like them. She’s being her.

[@greensparksjp1114]

Jesy herself has described Leigh Anne as having the most kindhearted soul and not having a bad bone in her body. Seeing her laugh at Nicki accusing Leigh of being jealous and catty hurt deep. I can only imagine how poor Leigh felt about it.

[@hidiamahine9594]

This 👏👏👏👏👏

[@NIGHTMARE-hv2vu]

And even LEIGH-ANNE is also defending JESY to her haters.

[@santiagotoroii4250]

@@NIGHTMARE-hv2vu wait, where did you see Leigh defending Jesy?

[@lindahannah3965]

@@santiagotoroii4250 her not dragging her is in a way defending her because rightfully so she could but I feel she is going the high road by not saying anything.

[@Hafferlaf87]

I can only imagine how Jesy felt when she found out that Leigh called her a “horrible person”. Jesy owes her nothing. Period.

[@baddiechanny4893]

I think jesy put herself in this like"victim mindset" for so long. So she can't make out the difference between criticism and hate. She feels like everyone is hating on her.

[@naomistein8900]

100%

[@Cebb1221]

And the way she blames Leigh and Jade in that live for “not letting her know up until the sweet melody mv” like that ain’t their job💀

[@baddiechanny4893]

I genuinely don't believe she's a bad person as some people make her out to be. I think she's just dismissive to other people's issues because she feels like her situation is worse. That's why when they asked her about leigh in that interview she said" she handled it better than me", but it felt as though she was saying" leighanne's situation wasn't as bad as mine.

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@baddiechanny4893 Cause it wasn't, period. People barely bullied Leigh-Anne, they just didn't praise her as much or pay as much attention to her. Jesy got bullied, made fun of, got death threats and got treated like shit before they even became famous, and it ended up with her attempting to take her own life. Think about it, I think Leigh-Anne had it much easier than Jesy. She never got compared to the others, she got nothing but praise when she got attention but with Jesy, she was brought down for the SMALLEST mistakes.

[@jagp135]

@@tjsquibbofficial ok let's not compare experiences here, it's not a competition. But it is important to point out that Leigh anne managed to rise above the hate while Jesy couldn't and let it get to her mind. And the fact that people are now using the situation to justify their hatred towards her is honestly just making it even worse, considering the entire fandom has turned against her now.

[@amandaash476]

Perrie probably wasn’t in the documentary bc she probably didn’t feel like it was her place to put herself in the conversation, but she did show support and continues to show support and love to Leigh. Jesy, however, was silent after Leigh’s documentary came out. Perrie posted about Leigh’s documentary on her IG stories, and she always talks about how much she loves Leigh. Jesy didn’t say a word about Leigh’s documentary.

[@viv6594]

Jesy did admit in the live that leigh anne told her when they were shooting sweet Melody so this just shows me how ignorant she is of still ignoring this issue. Shows she doesn’t see it this way and she clearly doesn’t care.

[@gdesiree29]

Now she's getting nationwide backlash and she's like , "😶" Girl u know what u are doing. Get ready for the heat

[@Mr.Mister-24_th]

@@gdesiree29 exactly

[@gdesiree29]

@@Mr.Mister-24_th anyone who blackfish will not get away with it.

[@romanvictor659]

That's how she likes and non y'all hating ass can't be change that, leave her alone she never said anything against black people.

[@lilianas02]

@@romanvictor659 yea she didn’t but she disrespected the black community in s different way

[@Ameliamaemay1990]

“Just because your Black friend gave you a stamp of approval doesn’t mean you got the check from every Black person in the world” this is IT!! 👏👏👏

[@briigee544]

You guys handled this with so much class , you’re confronting Jesys ignorance with immense class and grace , even though I don’t have the same grace for her , it’s cool you guys do. It’s a sad situation, you’re so right saying if all else failed those 3 girls would’ve been the ones to have her back in the industry, and she threw that all away in just a couple of minutes .

[@gilmariebrioso1554]

Totally agree. They did a great job discussing this situation by being compassionate and fair while giving honest criticism.

[@xyz4851]

Jesy was wrong for that and Nicki shouldn't even talk.

[@aliandrahartwell3597]

Nicki should have just shut the hell up honestly. It was so disappointing and painful to see her defend Jesy.

[@gdesiree29]

I agree. Uk and American media are totally different when it comes to race. Jesy is now in the north American headlights and she's shocked that she's getting backlash. Yes girl, we aren't playing over here. . Race is a sensitive topic in North America

[@comodinociaociao8588]

U right, but sometimes american ppl give too much "attention" to this topic.

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

@@comodinociaociao8588 it is because they pay attention to it that America is more advanced in terms of race relations compared to Europeans who act like acknowledging race is awful.

[@comodinociaociao8588]

@@iyamideolukoshi9936 i don't think that advanced is the right word.

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

@@comodinociaociao8588 Ok…I think it is the right word which is why I used it. Thanks for the unnecessary feedback though

[@comodinociaociao8588]

@@iyamideolukoshi9936 never asked u to answer me btw. Anyways do not confuse advanced with sensetive, if America is really more advanced, then it should have a more open mind about all this blackfishing topic, but it seems its not..so...

[@pearlydiamond]

Nicki was such a disappointment to insert herself and slander Leigh Anne of all people. Leigh Anne is harmless. She made promises to black girls she spoke with in her documentary that she would be proactive on black issues in the industry. Jesy all love to her, but she chose to ignore those concerns. She chose to be ignorant to make herself feel more comfortable. Understand that her weight is a big issue and tanning makes her feel confident, but she can still make slight adjustments in respects to understand other people's traumas outside of her own.

[@bdhu2001]

The problem is that people warned Jesy and told her she was tanning too dark and other things. She ignored the both ethnic girls on Lil Mix and others deciding that she didn’t mean it that way so it shouldn’t hurt other people. They told her how it came off and how it hurt some people. Jesy admits people talked to her, so there is no reason for her to act surprised or like it potential for backlash wasn’t known.

[@leenolan1469]

Imagine being hurt because someone has a tan and naturally curly hair lmao

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

@@leenolan1469 imagine choosing to be so ignorant even after this video. Lmao

[@Noxtrust]

Great commentary ladies, her tanning artist actually posted a few times that Jesy selected ‘Brazilian Dark’. But you are right it’s layers, between the hair, the new ‘urban’ sound, the tan, the clothing, the lyrics. I would love to see a review of Leigh’s documentary about race in the Uk.

[@KoskasOwl]

Loved this! As a white man, I'm learning new stuff every single day about this and it's amazing to see your two's reaction and response to this. All I know is that Leigh seems like one of the most kind and beautiful women in that industry (not my words - just various chatter from people who HAVE met her & you can TOTALLY get that vibe from watching interviews and shows with her on) and in regards to her documentary and why Perrie and Jesy didn't feature, I feel that it was a conscious decision not to include them as Leigh wanted to put the light on as many black people as she could. I think the documentary and Leigh delving more into it is what gave her the confidence to talk to Jesy about what was (clearly) getting to her. How Jesy responded is on Jesy, but I hope Leigh knows that she absolutely did the right thing in calling her out. Honestly, the most upsetting thing about all of this is Jesy's lack of reaction and empathy/compassion to it all. Going on InstaGram and blocking/deleting comments from anybody calling her out on it was NOT it. She was aware via NUMEROUS ways, but chose to ignore it and was just ignorant about the entire thing.

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

Very well said. Jesy is choosing to be ignorant

[@amythebest3209]

Thank you so much for actually trying to educate yourself. As a black person, its tiring to see person after person outed as being racist, or a blackfish, or doing black face. Thank you.

[@NG-th8ny]

I think you’re right about Leigh wanting to include as many Black people in her documentary as she could. Appreciate you being open minded enough to understand.

[@Ameliamaemay1990]

“It takes energy and you have to explain and I don’t feel like teaching in this moment” YESSSS WELL SAID LADIES!!

[@vanessacarter7472]

I'm thinking the messages from Leigh were fake, but if it is real, it was done as a private message, not publicly trying to hurt Jesy. What Jesy did, laughing along when Nicki slated Leigh, live, in front of 100k viewers, made her look both bad and fake. She did a documentary about how damaging online bullying is, yet is happy to laugh along to somebody else being bullied. Doesn't paint her in a good light at all. I just want to also say that I don't condone anyone sending or posting vile messages to either Jesy or LM. It's one thing to have a say, but what people are doing is wrong and it's sick. Get a life and let the girls either sort things out or stay out of each others way for a bit. There is never a good enough reason for bullying.

[@blues2331]

That's what most Jesy and Nicki fans don't understand. And if those messages are real, Leigh has the right to feel that way about Jesy's behaviour.

[@jagp135]

@@blues2331 yes, but calling someone a "horrible person" in private and trying to turn a long time fan of theirs against her is not it, no matter what you think.

[@yannavanderheijden1773]

the messages are proven to be fake and one of jesy’s friends is accused of making the messages

[@blues2331]

@@jagp135 I agree with you, that's not right. But again, she did it in private. Remember that Leigh Anne wasn't the one who let someone else slate Jesy in front of 100k people. Now she receives hate not only from Jesy's fans, but also from Nicki's. Same thing with Jesy and mixers. It makes me believe that they didn't learn anything from each others experiences.

[@jagp135]

@@yannavanderheijden1773 who

[@Linni9897]

I love how you touched on how you feel as a friend and not always wanting/being ready to have that conversation. You guys are my fav reactors! Keep it up ❤️

[@ryann_connors17]

Also in the live stream I wanted to hear Jesy talk more because I could tell that she was going to say something but she knew that she was gonna get cut off by Nicki like when she mentioned when Leigh spoke to her about her being dark in the Sweet Melody MV but Nicki cut her off. I do wish Jesy did a live stream just in her own. I also wish the drama was behind closed doors and I wish that person didn’t do what he did calming to “leak” messages from Leigh. I hope this does gets resolved on Jesy end and her label and I hope drama gets resolved behind closed doors and well.

[@naomistein8900]

It was bullying! Jesy did a whole documentary about bullying and just allowed her new best friend to attack Leigh-Anne, her best friend for ten years

[@tjsquibbofficial]

Nicki was just giving a honest opinion, she wasn't trying to emotionally damage Leigh in any way.

[@shaynapunim]

@@tjsquibbofficial intent of actions doesn’t remove the impact of those actions.

[@leenolan1469]

It wasn't bullying it was calling out shitty behaviour..

[@amythebest3209]

@@leenolan1469 So she calls out Leigh Anne, her main argument being these screen recordings, which are *alleged* and then Nicki completly shuts down every valid criticsm of Jesy and lumps it with her hate. And Leigh Anne is the one with shitty behavior? I don't see that.

[@leenolan1469]

@@amythebest3209 That's the thing the criticisms of Jesy are not valid lol. I'm sorry they just aren't.. She's a woman trying to be herself and people (including her friend or so called sister of 10 years) are trying to put her down for it. Nicki said nothing bad about Leigh really, she was more talking about what she did.

[@ems__rizzle]

tysm for this girls I think it'll help a lot of people, definetly gonna share this cuz its very well done♡ also yall are so pretteeey

[@1louisprotector28]

I really loved this discussion. Everything you said was spot on!! Thank you for keeping it real

[@kays2823]

This is such a thoughtful discussion. I really appreciate it.

[@edlyngaus8733]

Out of all the discussions showing Up on KZbin for this sad matter Yours has been the most calming and reasonable ! 🙂 Thanks so much for sharing !🤗 Yes I do agree with all that was said.

[@ThatBranB]

Ladies you spoke very well and pointed out some things that are so relevant. Jesy just has to make the adjustments. Nothing super drastic but "LISTEN" to key issues and work around it. Her image is her branding and she allowed to make mistakes along the way but girl don't play deaf and don't let "yes men" overrule constructive gems that will help growth.

[@balegdah8054]

i just really loved the way you talked about this situation, you just have a really calm and collected approach to everything and try to focus on the real issue. Especially since the livestream my feelings were just all over the place. I mean i can`t deny that Jesy still means something to me since I am a longtime Little Mix fan but this whole situation was just a nono. I am so disappointed and also angry .. but i don`t hate her? even if it`s silly i still hope for her to see what she did wrong and apologize ... and seeing her getting bullied in the internet still hurts even after she`s clearly in the wrong. Leigh DEFINITELY deserves an apology. The next steps, like you said, are really going to define Jesy as a person. But to be honest this whole thing is just sad. We definitley do need to have this conservation since blackfishing is SO common right now and even though there is some critique nothing really changed? it`s a huge problem that i feel like many people don`t really see as such and don`t really understand? maybe at least since this Jesy conversation blew up so much we`re finally gonna have more conversations about blackfishing and what needs to change. i just hope all this wasn`t for nothing and people didn`t just jump on the train of hating a celebrity that`s trending right now. and i agree with you even though we are greatly disappointed in Jesy the main focus should be to try to educate her and start a conversation about blackfishing. but she also needs to put in A LOT of effort educating herself and trying to grow. also hope the other 3 especially Leigh-Anne are okay .... they didn´t have to be dragged in like this .... so thank you for your video

[@cynical.13]

I honestly lost a lot of respect for Jesy with this situation. I won’t be supporting her future music, even if she gives a last minute apology. She’s doubled down on her ignorance, instead of listening and apologizing as soon as the black community informed her why what she’s doing is wrong. Despite all that, turning your back on 3 women who grew up with you in this group just shows that Jesy doesn’t have much loyalty or very great morals. Nicki is also showing herself as a bully who changes her morals based on what song she’s selling. That’s all.

[@Robbie-tl5iw]

The critique and points made in this are on point. When you said that because the team approved it and the sample was cleared then it made it okay… totally felt that. I genuinely don’t think she had any malice she was just a bit silly and didn’t realise the implications it would have. Think her second single and video will be completely different, and rightfully so. Still supporting both her and the other 3 girls in whatever they do.

[@ishathompson8439]

Nicki shading Leigh-Anne was out of line and Jesy’s reaction to it was no better I love you queens for speaking up on the whole 😊❤️

[@gabrielle3650]

Leigh and their team tried to educate her for 2 years. Jesy just didn't listen. She's got so much backlash and hasn't apologized or changed. She thinks criticism is hate and that everyone who points out her wrongdoings is bullying her. It's annoying.

[@leenolan1469]

Sometimes what you're being educated on is nonsense

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

@@leenolan1469 what you’re saying is nonsense. Just because your IQ is too low and you feel triggered and beyond being educated doesn’t make it nonsense

[@amythebest3209]

@@leenolan1469 sometimes, your opinion is stupid and not needed, and you need to shut up and sit down.

[@leenolan1469]

@@iyamideolukoshi9936 My IQ is too high that's why i have a problem with all this bs. I'm sorry that I want ALL people to be who they are without trolls trying to put them down. I don't give a fuck if you're white black brown pink or whatever. Dress how you want, sing about whatever you want.. So long as you're not harming anyone what's the problem. Some black people are becoming what they claim to be against

[@J1NXXXX]

@@leenolan1469 if you’re racist just say that.

[@aamazintribe]

African/Aboriginals Indigenous Black People need too always stay on Black Code, In UNITY we're undeniable & unstoppable together.

[@sofiazas3010]

thank you for making this video

[@TheTriadplus1]

Thank you for taking the time to educate.

[@frutilla7739]

This is my first time watching a video on this channel and I loved the two of you so much! like I literally want to be besties with you guys :)

[@vanessacarter7472]

Thank you for this. All I've seen is comments about her tan. If it was just her tan, or just a wig or lips etc, there wouldn't be an issue. But like you've said, it's the layers. Unfortunately, it's very obvious with Jesy. It comes across as her going out of her way to look and come across as black. It's very uncomfortable to see her like that. Like Dave said in his song Black "Black is so confusin', 'cause the culture? They're in love with it They take our features when they want and have their fun with it Never seem to help with all the things we know would come with it" It feels like these people get the fame and attention from looking black, without actually living as a black person and having to deal with what comes with it (Racism etc). Please react to Dave- Black live at the brits, if you haven't already.

[@tjsquibbofficial]

The thing is, she doesn't look black at all. It's pretty obvious that it's fake tan, black people don't 'own' having full lips, and all people can have curly hair and I can tell the difference between White people curls and Black People curls and Jesy has White People Curls. Also, about her being darker than Nicki, Nicki herself is VERY light for a black girl, it's clear she's gotten lighter over the years. Also, I can always tell the difference between black people skin and white people skin, they are very different texture wise and just in general. No matter how much Jesy tans, she'll always look white.

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@tjsquibbofficial This ^ Jesy looks ethnically ambiguous without a tan even - especially due to her eyes - but she does not even in the slightest look black or racially ambiguous.

[@vanessacarter7472]

I don't think she does either but that's not the issue. The issue is her trying to look black, along side the very black video. Honestly she could have paid homage to the original video, as a white girl.

[@NG-th8ny]

@@tjsquibbofficial You again 🙄

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@vanessacarter7472 She did pay homage to the original video as a “white girl”.

[@allenpeaks1943]

Thank you for speaking on this

[@julesxxx8247]

Such two-faced comments ! Has anyone watched Sweet melody and commented on Jades full braids ? No they just pick on Jesse . Does anyone complain at Beyoncé for blonde straight hair ? So she’s got a tan , so has a mass percentage of white girls . The video is great ! Jesse is going to upset some people no matter what she does regardless of colour . . She needs to keep doing her own thing and ignore the haterz ! It’s been taken too deep instead of light hearted fun video it is .

[@philipphrano]

I LOVE YOU GIRLS! GREAT DISCUSSION :)

[@maudeex8727]

I don’t want to diminish or disrespect any of the people that this video might have offended I totally get why it would offend. I do though think Jesy genuinely loves black culture and that’s why she’s imitating, granted she might have done it the wrong way, but if you look at the r first audition on the XFactor she’s dressed hip hop and has big curly natural hair. I do think it was unintentional

[@naomistein8900]

Apparently Leigh-Anne tried to speak to Jesy and get her involved in the documentary but she didn’t want to know. She wanted to educate her. As for Perrie idk but yea, Perrie supports Leigh-Anne

[@trevonte3723]

the trying to get in her involved in the doc is a lie….. where the hell are you getting that from???

[@jagp135]

The only thing true about the doc is that Leigh got advice from Jesy on how to speak out, the rest is bs.

[@MubinNoor]

Everyone keeps talking about the girls unfollowing Jesy but LITERALLY NO ONE is talking about how Jesy is ONLY following Nicki Minaj and P Diddy on insta now. Not a single other soul. Which is soo unnecessary, what even?? Maybe she unfollowed them first. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jagp135]

She unfollowed everyone a couple of months back after she cleared her instagram account. So many other artists have done it before her so I don't understand why people think it's shady.

[@jayyiri4666]

Honestly I think jesy lost the mixers and the girls. You let some random chick you barely met attack Leigh Ann. Jesy isn’t hurting. She honestly never takes responsibility because she doesn’t see anything wrong. She’s so self absorbed that the times people called her out she blocks them and still trying to lie saying she had no idea people said that about her. And Nicki fans out here acting a fool putting pics of Leigh Ann hanging from a tree and saying put her in the jungle with bananas. That is the behavior nicki approved for her fans to act when she targeted Leigh Ann for no reason. Lost all respect for jesy and Nicki. Nicki needs to focus on her man and keeping him out of prison. Jesy just needs to realize that being influenced by that genre of music doesn’t mean you are allowed change your appearance to fit the culture. She’s a mess honestly.

[@Rafael-lz1fr]

I agree with every single word said in this video

[@bubzdotcom]

Ladies im glad we’re on the same page! Lovely video, i cant believe jesy would even do that to leigh anne, i cant even listen to their music without feeling a type of way

[@MrSiBrum]

I think being inspired & appreciating black culture is a beautiful thing, but there's a very fine line that should not be crossed. I get it, Jesy's hair is naturally like that, she got her lips done because she felt ugly & wanted to fit into LM (whether that's true or not) etc, but she does overstep the mark too much. She over tans, it's just extra, unneeded & clear blackfishing, whether it's done with intent or not. It's an issue & when it comes to people addressing you on the problem, you have to accept that, not dismiss it as "that's just me". When it comes to the video, it is cultural appropriation. I mean almost everyone in the video is black, which wouldn't be a problem any other time but, there's far too much black culture in the video, which just adds to the cultural appropriation & blackfishing she is accused of. I mean, the grills? Her whole aesthetic is not what a white woman should be representing themselves as. I do find a lot of male toxicity in the video also. There is so much to cover here that I just can't type it all, but this is such a healthy discussion to have. I for one am always educating myself. I want to always be educated on the issues that the black community has, I want to better understand your history, the trauma y'all deal with, the problems you face in day-to-day life. I will never fully understand, in the sense that, I have not & will never experience what it feels like to be someone of colour, specifically black in regards to this topic. But I can have understanding, I can educate others, I can see within myself if there's things I need to change or do to help, etc. Anyway, I'll stop there. Great video, always enjoy your content & yeah, do some more video's where you discuss various topics, especially topics that are closer to home for you guys. ❤

[@MrSiBrum]

P.s, Sorry for the essay, I know many won't read it but...

[@LI-vt2kf]

@@MrSiBrum I’ve read it 😊 and I agree. You should never stop educating yourself. Even if Jesy didn’t have any bad intentions and changed her looks because of her insecurities, she should listen when people tell her that it’s considered blackfishing, where this comes from and why it can hurt some people. If I do something and people are hurt by it, I educate myself on it and stop the problematic behavior or at least tone it down..

[@trevonte3723]

I don’t think she meant for the video to come off that way she was paying homage to diddys song/video. personally I feel as though if she sampled the song and wouldn’t have used any of the black culture aesthetics ppl still would’ve complained.

[@shaynapunim]

@@trevonte3723 intent of actions doesn't erase impact of them.

[@NG-th8ny]

@@MrSiBrum I read it 👍🏾

[@tiffanykim2773]

I think she wanted to use the most popular way to break into the U.S market so she did what alot of people do (black fishers) and used black culture but the stereotypical bullshit and Nicki and a nostalgic piece of music - Diddy to get into the US market. When I really focused on Jesy's tan was Sweet Melody like I was kinda shocked then of course her solo song. Girls I'm still on how she could ruin 10+ years of friendship over nothing. Not even a good start to her solo career to show for it.

[@eviejones7193]

Love that you both decided to talk about this. You's do the best Little Mix reactions for me. There's so many layers to this that started way before Jesy. But just to give a short intro, tanning in the UK, specifically certain pockets of the country, has been a problem for the longest time - even when I was younger! Society has basically told white girls and women that they look 'healthier' and 'slimmer' and 'better' with a tan, and it's only progressively gotten worse over the years. And then throw in the 'Instagram face' into the mix, and all of a sudden you've got girls and women literally constructing their entire face and they all pretty much look the same i.e. looking racially ambiguous and could be from anywhere in the world. It's a big problem and it desperately needs nipping in the bud. Enter Jesy - from day dot she's been dragged through the mill for how she looks. She's been slated over and over again whether it's online or in the media from a young age, so the fact that she's turned to the lip injections and the tanning bed doesn't shock me. I don't like how much she's changed, but I understand how she got there. She's clearly seen what the trend is around her and has emulated that to try and fit in. That doesn't mean it's right and Leigh Anne had every reason to be upset and bring it up to her. I just don't think this was done in malice. She's never claimed to be anything else but a white girl from Essex - I just don't think she connected the dots as to how she's been presenting herself. And what's worse, I think her management team have happily let her walk into the lions den. They must have known how this would turn out; I refuse to believe that they're this naive. I think there's a few different conversations that everyone should be having in regards to this. 1. The conversation of excessive tanning for beauty standards and how that's made black women feel because on the flip side, dark skinned women in the industry have been told to bleach their skin. That can never happen again. 2. The conversation of excessive tanning and why white women feel like they need to do it and hopefully come to the realisation that they don't need to do it at all. 3. Stamp on the face of the Instagram face, because the last thing anyone wants are their daughters looking at these faces and thinking that they're only going to be beautiful if they look like that. I really hope the girls can eventually sit down and talk this out privately without anyone else butting in and understand and find peace with each other. I'd hate it if this progresses negatively between them.

[@ariaxrose1]

The sad thing is many of us have said exactly what you have (just not as well 😂) but unfortunately a lot of poc on these videos don't want to hear or accept that white people are pressured to darken their skin, to them itsjust straight up trying to pass as mixed race. Many don't want to sympathise with girls being pressured by beauty standards. But because white in general they perceive aS being considered more beautiful they fail to realise there is a hierarchy and that's with "tanned goddesses" being at the top with pale girls being considered ugly. I've been told my entire life i NEED to tan. Been told I look sickly. Every girl in school was bronzed. But I'm white so none of these issues are taken into consideration simply because I'm white. Thankfully I've seen a few people of colour sympathise with this.

[@naomistein8900]

Aria rose as a white person in the UK who went to school in Essex… I can say there is a difference between tanning and over tanning. It’s as simple as that

[@ariaxrose1]

@@naomistein8900 yes of course there is, many do over tan. But people who lightly tan get put in the same category

[@FaSo97]

@@ariaxrose1 you sound tone deaf. You want black women or WOC to sympathize with you on something YOU can actually change if you wanted to? It’s not right that people bullied you for your paleness. But understand that black women miss out on opportunities, get targeted, discriminated against, and killed for their dark skin. Something they can’t change. I feel like you’re conflating two completely different issues and one of them is actually life or death for black women. So that’s where the problem lies. Yes bullying sucks but tanning your skin (or not) is a choice that you can make. Dark skin black women can’t wake up one day, decide they want to be as light as white women, and reap the benefits of being THE global standard of beauty. It doesn’t work like that. Black women can’t choose the tone they want to be. They’re simply born with it. They have to live with it and unfortunately in this world the darker you are as a woman, the worst you’re treated. I understand you want sympathy but ask yourself these three questions: how have you sympathized with black women and all the obstacles that they face? What issues do you take into consideration that affects black women? How have you used your privilege as a white woman to support and advocate for black women and women of color in a world that’s enamored with the white standard of beauty and vilifies blackness? (Which is a standard that was put in place by white people by the way) If you can’t come up with anything then I suggest that you take some time to educate yourself some more on the topic of racism and it’s affects on black women and WOC so you can truly understand why all this blew up in Jesy’s face and why it’s highly problematic. You can also find ways to use your power and privilege as a white woman to support and be an ally to WOC during such an important conversation - and everyday life. Long story short - White women in your community are tanning their skin to “enhance” their beauty and gain more social status. Black women who already have dark skin are at the bottom of the societal totem pole and they are discriminated against (because of said dark skin) which can result in life or death situations. White women gain as Black women suffer from black fishing. That’s the issue.

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@FaSo97 You do realise LOTS of Black Women try to bleach their skin. You're just being unsympathetic and being like 'me, me, me'. If you didn't realise, the ONLY people hating on Jesy are Black Women, and a small minority of other people trying to be 'Woke'. Literally no-one else cares, even Black Men don't give a shit. Y'all just need to give up and leave Jesy alone.

[@glitterandlove]

Surely Perrie and Jesy weren’t in Leanne’s documentary because they are white women? The whole point of the documentary was about giving black people or people of different ethnicities a bigger voice - so Jade was on it with being Egyptian and having similar discrimination as Leanne. But 2 white girls couldn’t talk about personal experiences so there was no need for them to be involved? I don’t think it was a case of them not supporting her? Sorry if I misunderstood your point there. As for the rest of the video - Jesy has made a big mistake marketing/presenting herself this way for her debut single!

[@tjsquibbofficial]

To be fair, Jade has ALWAYS passed for a white woman, it literally took me YEARS to find out she was mixed. If I didn't know Jade was and this was happening to Jesy still, I would have been like 'Jade is doing the same thing by curling her hair, so why just attack Jesy'?

[@amandaash476]

I mentioned this earlier. I agree with your reasoning about why they weren’t in the documentary. The difference is the amount of support they each showed: Perrie posted on her IG story about the documentary and told everyone to go watch it. Jesy…was absolutely silent.

[@CGgamer128]

@@tjsquibbofficial lol i thought jade was mix form the jump and i never consider her white honestly

[@BlackShogun1]

It's the cash-in of the black look, music style without all the racism you have to deal with if you were actually a black woman. Cosplay Racial Ambiguity !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheEarthRealm]

HIGHLY hypocritical of Nikki whom turned on Megan Thee Stallion, Cardi B, Lil Kim, Dej Loaf, Remy Ma, and any other female rapper that got shine over the years. *AND HOW MANY YEARS DID NIKKI 'KI-KI' WITH DRAKE BEFORE TURNING ON HIM TOO AND THROWING HIM UNDER THE BUS THE MOMENT IT BECAME CONVENIENT FOR HER TO DO SO?! (When her 'Queen' album didn't go #1, and she dragged him for it.)

[@sasukefan17]

Have you girls seen the yuotube original series, The Outsiders? It's a U.K. based docu series discussing racism and Black culture in the U.K.(a few ppl from the U.S.) Leigh-Anne is also in it. There's 6 episodes out so far. Really good.

[@karenconquest658]

To be honest I think Jesy’s team let her down, because I think she really does like this type of music and she has always went over the top with the fake tan even when she was in little mix, and of course she had enhancements to her lips whilst she was in little mix more so than the other girls because she fully admitted that she felt insecure next to the other girls…I’m. Ot sure what could have been done differently maybe her styling but I’m sure it wasn’t done to cause offence..I think a lot of bands artists emulate other artists as well so many the Beatles were the inspiration for Oasis in the beginning and their beat was a direct take off, there are so many to mention….Even the goddess that was Whitney Houston got booed at the Soul Train awards accusing her of ‘singing too white’..I, not defending it but acknowledging that it happens and will continue to.

[@S.O.S89]

Such beautiful😍 people enjoyed this it is so true just because one more few black people gave you a go doesn’t mean is right that’s what a lot these yt/etc is Oky not all black people agree on this

[@franciskev4161]

❤️🔥

[@superjoseivanable]

I think I differ in one thing y’all said … I think it was planned out . She’s (company aswell) trying to make it in America or atleast have some presence here hence the use of black culture in many forms . If we put this aside her actions have spoken more than words … letting others talk crap about her former group mate . Also the whole Nicki thing … she’s just going downhill with all the questionable things she’s doing . Lastly lol idk I’ve been ranting … the song itself wasn’t a great debut track in my opinion . 🤷🏻‍♂️😓

[@superjoseivanable]

Also … I think jesy and her team should put out a statement to try to amend or just say why they went that route with the song and imagery . Losing that respect atm

[@mercedesUK85]

I would say Black culture in the UK is mostly influenced by African and Jamaican culture rather than Black American. Umm racial issues are not calm in the UK. Brixton riots in the 80s. Bus boycotts. It’s really not hard to research. Also UK is a small Island in comparison to USA 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@Rayaann]

❤❤

[@leosoares297]

Facts

[@mpena4336]

Pleaseeee talk about the hair because I’ve got thoughts

[@Hafferlaf87]

Leigh-Anne responded to a story by an Instagrammer/influencer called Nohun. He did a poll on whether he should do a choreo to Boyz (he eventually did do it). The guy’s been a huge Little Mix fan for years, was followed by Leigh and Jade and has more than 300.000 followers. He’s black, British and gay. Leigh said he should do a video of Jesy being a “black phish” instead and straight up called her a “horrible person”. He made the decision to share those DMs after being in contact with Jesy. He was hurt and frustrated to be put in a position where he felt like he had to choose a side. He said that his whole experience of being a massive fan was completely ruined by what Leigh-Anne did. As he said, it was like she wanted him to do her dirty work. The idea that the DMs are fake is absolute nonsense. He shared them during a livestream AND shared two screen recordings of them, because people kept coming at him. He’s been targetted by Little Mix fans ever since, and has been visibly shaken by the negative attention from it all. Let’s be real, he risked a lot by doing what he did, and even though some might disagree with his choice to share those DMs, Leigh did what she did. It’s not right to keep perpetuating the lie that they are fake, just because Little Mix fans refuse to accept that Leigh-Anne is not perfect. She is exactly as human as all the rest of us. Regarding Nicki and Jesy, THIS was what it was ALL about. THIS was the behaviour of Leigh-Anne that Nicki called out.

[@shaynapunim]

i personally believe that the dms were fake, but even if they're not, leigh-anne would not have been in the wrong. it is absolutely right to call out jesy's behavior and hold her accountable. also it's unbelievably easy to fake screenshots AND videos of dms. people do it all the time. i don't think jesy is a person with malicious intent at all, but she's wrong here either way.

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@shaynapunim Not really, those things AREN'T easy to fake. Mixers are just creating excuses to save Leigh-Anne. I've been a LM fan since 2016, and yet I know Leigh-Anne has gone too far. They BOTH know what each other have been through, but Leigh still said that about someone she saw as a 'sister'. That was very immature of her and I'm disappointed in her.

[@MJela]

@@tjsquibbofficial yet again youre dissappointed in leigh but not more in jesy?? And why did that guy ask leigh that question in the first place and now acts surprised how she responded....I would peobably respond the same, like instead of promoting her blackfishing song instead maybe speak up about blackfishing if you want, if not ok. Your choice.

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@MJela He didn’t ask HER. He did a poll, and she responded to it. Both Leigh and Jade followed him and interacted with him.

[@Hafferlaf87]

@@shaynapunim Leigh-Anne called Jesy a “horrible person”. Jesy owes her nothing, yet people keep coming at Jesy for not defending Leigh when Nicki went off.

[@coltoncolton2822]

This entire shit is pissing me off!! I'm not even mad at little mix OR Jesy. I'm mad at Nicki, I'm mad at the fans for stirring the pot and thristing for drama... I'm mad at the entire situation. What's frustrating is that when this shit cools down and everyone moves on, guess who's relationship is never gonna be the same. LITLLE MIX and JESY'S... and for what!!? 🤦🏾‍♂️. One thing that's not up for discussion here is Jesy's black fishing.... we've been knew. But this is not how you handle this shit. Nicki was out of line, Yes. But people are being so fucking extra about Jesy's supposed "reaction". Did yall watch the live? She maybe chuckled ones and then sat their with an awkward smile. Now people love to act all high and mighty but be honest here. In that situation, who here would actually have spoken up against NICKI MINAJ? on ig LIVE? IN FRONT OF HER CRAZY FANS? I don't care about intentions... That's scary AF. Now ppl are tearing her apart, they're going after poor Leigh-Anne who doesn't need this shit either. I'm even seeing dramatic ass people (who are part of the problem btw) reposting old interviews and creating this FALSE narrative about Jesy looking at Leigh-Anne a certain, that she's always had it in for her. Like come on, that's a lie and yall know it..

[@christianrichard9029]

The difference between Perrie and jesy is: Perrie learned and educated herself, and has actually taken the time to realize what she was doing (the cultural appropriation) was wrong, while jesy has constantly victimized herself and just ignored the problem. That’s the difference

[@soprano2087]

Wait what perrie did?

[@christianrichard9029]

@@soprano2087 back in the very early days of their career, Perrie culturally appropriated a few times. She’s learned and grew from it, and never acted like she was being targeted if she was called out

[@shadiahaybe9480]

I wish your audio was a little louder. I sometimes have a hard time hearing clearly and loudly

[@trevonte3723]

the video is ultimately supposed to be paying homage/a remake of diddys bad boyz video because her song is sampled from his. I don’t necessarily think jesy meant any harm by the video and she doesn’t deserve any of the hate she’s receiving but I do think her team should’ve thoroughly thought about it.

[@jagp135]

Yes, her intentions were obviously not to promote stereotypes, but the combination of the song lyrics with the style of the video unfortunately made her look really bad.

[@sylviane9820]

I totally agree with you, it was a genuine homage to PDiddy. So, sad that people are taking it to an extreme racial offence. Should people then be as they look and not straight or colour their hair, dress up only the way of their own culture...??? People are thinking and analysing a bit too much, maybe too!

[@NG-th8ny]

@@sylviane9820 No, people are not thinking/analysing too much re. this sorry saga. Clearly, you need to read and think some more.

[@sylviane9820]

Life could be so easy and peaceful if people were not so complicated and judging one another. Narrow mindedness leads to misunderstanding🤔🤔🤔

[@jenicat55]

i think if she wanted to re create the video she should have done the "essex" version uk style houses, uk old banger car, and shown a range of "bad boys" - they guy who ghosts you, the guy cheating etc etc I get she loves the R&B music but she is a uk essex girl so I think that twist would have shown more of her. rather than just a copy cat video with such a US vibe which dosent feel genuine.

[@iyamideolukoshi9936]

This would have been a great video actually! She could have introduced her specific Essex life to new audiences and who she really is

[@mariesharpe7942]

Can u please tell me what educate me don’t mean know harm but what’s the difference between a black and women wearing a blonde weave and blue contacts then what jesy was doing I truly don’t mean no harm but I want to learn I love u girls and want to be a part of your culture without hurting you guys what are is the difference.you are amazing I just wish we could all Appreciate that make up is a mask to some people and weather they mean affecnce or not that’s there way of hiding from media.I truly believe that jesy didn’t mean to eccend she’s had so much online bulking she’s just tried to be a different version of her self but f u know what I mean.xxx

[@_blink_xg]

Bruno Mars gets dragged for CA too though (8:50 ish mark)

[@orls9068]

Jesy has natural curly hair she reminds me of an oompa loompa with the tan 😅

[@ancientone6965]

She really just threw away the support and the love of the girls for fame and acceptance by the society. The girls have been their FOR HER despite suffering their own issues. AND now when the spotlight is on her, she continues to talk down about them and bringing up their names unnecessarily in conversations. JESY NEEDS TO STOP USING BLACK CULTURE AS A MARKETING STRATEGY. JESY NEEDS TO STOP USING GIRLS NAME FOR HER OWN PROFITABILITY.

[@MubinNoor]

Bottom line is that it wasn't malicious but it was most definitely ignorant.

[@aamazintribe]

Turn up your audio on videos, don't block your receiver darlin'. You two are looking good.

[@paupauk5162]

Ufft!

[@Cebb1221]

And I’m sorry but nicki comparing jesy’s blackfishing to black women wearing blonde wigs is so fcking disgusting

[@Dee-fu3hs]

There’s been articles saying that Jesy and the other girls haven’t been friends since March last year so that’ll explain why she wasn’t in Leigh’s documentary since they already weren’t on good terms but idk about Perrie

[@naomistein8900]

Not match, but the summer

[@trevonte3723]

they didn’t start shooting leigh annes doc until after jesy left last year so those rumors are false.

[@Dee-fu3hs]

@@trevonte3723 they were shooting whilst she was in the group

[@nastehoabdi5214]

@@trevonte3723 they were shooting in May

[@bransonbenson9520]

What are the question marks for? Its not a question of her black fishing its disgusting

[@craigstraughan9923]

Girls I'm from the UK I thought this was the well thoughtful reaction I was so triggers by this suffering serious depression I was disgusted if you have suffered for ten years then announce after three months that you are cured to go solo is rubbish insulting and Jessy is lying if like to see the proof from a shrink otherwise girls best comments I heard on the subject thankyou nikla using hubby's email xxx

[@kazuhassideprofileswifey2179]

Tho i am mixed race, welsh and korean, i identify as mixed, my mother is Korean and dads Welsh, I never act like i belong to a different culture than the culture I grew up too, tho I go to Korea atleast 50 times growing up to visit family I don't believe Jesy tbh, she always blames the other members lately, i seen a video before this where it said that she mentioned about the LM member forced her to have surgery, although she has always been insecure about her looks especially compared to her other members, the thing is tho is that before she had surgery she lookee better, she was like the unique one the fdifferent one some could relate too, she kinda bat steriotype about all mbers have to be slim, she only had surgery bcos she was jealous of others and annoyed of being apparently hurt, i believe she joined little mix with the idea of leaving

[@kazuhassideprofileswifey2179]

Sorry about English since i moved to Korea it kinda went down hill 감사 해요

[@NG-th8ny]

I agree about Jesy always feeling insecure about her looks. I think she’s lost re. her identity. I feel sorry for her in that respect, but she’s in denial and completely wrong in her recent actions. I also agree that she was the unique one in LM in the beginning. I always thought Jesy had a striking face and figure. The jealous haters/trolls bullied her for it. It’s a shame that she couldn’t and still can’t see it herself. I hope Jesy finds the self love and confidence to be and accept herself one day soon (before going too far with fillers, surgery, etc), Your English is very good. I cannot speak or write Korean or speak with a Welsh dialect 😄

[@MKJR_]

Seesta podcast? Yes. Jesy Nelson? Expired. Hotel? Trivago.

[@LondonJamesZurich]

Personally I think we shouldn't have to pick a side cause you have to think, these girls have been together for a decade these girls aren't like Fifth Harmony, they have a beautiful friendship and I just feel like Leigh Anne wouldn't do something like this all of a sudden right when jesy releases her first song and I don't believe jesy was blackfishing either. I'm hoping that the smiles from the video are just to Nicki defending her. I believe that if you are a mixer that these girls wouldn't do something like this, maybe they did argue a few times but all kinds of friends do that once in awhile.

[@soprano2087]

Fifth harmony support each other consistently on social media, y’all believe that stupid ass label narrative.

[@daleycat2968]

Y’all need to leave the fucking girl alone 😒 lot of black persons bleach to have a lighter skin tone and try to act white 2021 leave people choices alone tf Lot of white persons love black culture kmft

[@m.o.thomeland5503]

Yet white girls do it to look beautiful and to get black men. Nobody told them to change for the better they did it out of trend.

[@saylorphysicaltherapy1529]

Jesy was shady on the way she left the group and in the interview with Nicki too end of story Jesy is responsible for her own behavior 💯

[@carolinapizarro1484]

jesy could’ve had the mixers with her, but she chose to block us and to keep doing it. so good luck to her now

[@acoleman8932]

Accusing Jesy herself of blackfishing seems like a reach. There are a plethora of people involved in creating a music video. The whole concept was to pay homage to Diddy's Bad Boy for Life video. I don't think Diddy himself would have cosigned and participated in the video, if he thought Jesy was just trying to appropriate culture. Jesy just left Little Mix and has had her skin and make up look exactly the same in Little Mix music videos. The only variation I observed was the rooftop scene. No one had anything to say about Jade in the Sweet Melody or Holiday videos. People just seem to have it out for Jesy and I don't understand it.

[@lovely_rae]

Jesy black fishing allegations been out since Glory Days era 2016-2017. She knew about it, lied about it & blame other ppl for her decisions & actions. Diddy did his own black artist signed to his label dirty & you think a cameo means he still isn't about money. Jade is a POC.

[@denisechelsea7243]

No one is coming for Jade because she is of Egyptian and Yemeni descent. She’s a WOC so of course she’s gonna look darker🤦🏽‍♀️ Jesy has been called out for how dark she tanned for years now. It’s nothing new. She chose to ignore her fans who were just trying to educate her. Even her ex-band members sat her down and tried to let her know that she’s been tanning too dark but she chose to ignore them as well.

[@zoemanning7477]

The thing is tho that in the Boyz video jesy actually had a genuine sun tan it wasn't tan put on.. she naturally tans dark in the sun as many white girls do & even leigh knows that so it's not like she "blacked up" for the video to try to appear black she knows she's a white woman & has never said or even tried to be any other race & she also has naturally curly hair so wore that actually as a resemble her own hair. also jesy would never do anything to cause offence to us she's genuinely making the music she grew up & loves & not for her own gain she genuinely loves this music.

[@realreviews4017]

Jessy Nelson honestly looks around 40 years old, and her tweakments only highlight that fact more.

[@m.o.thomeland5503]

Exactly she looks 45

[@realreviews4017]

@@m.o.thomeland5503 lol. I went in low to be polite!

[@m.o.thomeland5503]

@@realreviews4017 when i seen her i was like hey mam

[@realreviews4017]

@@m.o.thomeland5503 🤣🤣🤣 so it's not just me then.

[@sylviane9820]

In UK particularly in Essex, boys and girls commonly like to have tanny skin. They are not trying to be a black person but just to look nice and attractive! It's like in Europe where rich people like to have a coloured skin too, it looks more beautiful and it's a sign of wealthness too. If tanning your skin is a racial offence to some people, I think it's overreacting and being narrow minded. Tanning your skin is not Blackfishing, it's another way to look beautiful and attractive, everybody rearrange their hair to a different color or style. People want to look cool, fun, sexy... by making themselves looking different to what their natural be! It's the freedom to express themselves. If tanning your skin is Blackfishing and a racial offence, should people stop being fake?! Meaning not to change any single bit of their self! What a boring and sad world would we be living in! Jesy was just doing an homage to PDiddy and she loves R&B! You don't need to be a black person to enjoy R&B or motown or soul music, do you! And I disagree with Nicky M. attitude towards Leigh Ann, that was rude and disrespectful from an artist to another artist. Let's never forget the Respect to one another, no matter the disagreement. We are free to expression but there is always a limit not to cross! That's my opinion.

[@encyclopaedia641]

Preach!

[@encyclopaedia641]

People should be free to express themselves and let’s put all this black fishing emotions nonsense aside. Ok if you feel like what she’s doing is wrong then why not try and sue her and let’s see what the courts say and let them argue it out objectively instead of all this drama because I’m yet to understand what the big deal is about ‘black fishing’ You people should not try and control how a person decides to use their bodies or what they decide to do with their bodies and their lives and their career.

[@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265]

Blackfishing is subjective in my opinion. As a black woman when I look at Jesy I don't think blackfishing. She is from Essex UK and they love a good tan. She said she had a natural tan in her video. She has been darker in Little Mix videos. She grew up listening to old school RnB..Naturally she wants to make the music that inspired her to pay homage. In the age where men can identify as women and vice versa. In the age where drag Queens are idolised and make money off the back of it. In the age where trans men can compete in women's athletics. In the age where people can leave counties in Africa or the West Indies to chase the Amercan dream in the USA for a better life...I just don't get it..... though I respect we all have a right to our opinion.

[@shaynapunim]

keep the homophobia and transphobia to yourself. just by the way you talk about it, you clearly don't understand anyway. gross.

[@lovely_rae]

You not black, stop lying

[@sherryhoward7298]

Jealousy is a disease and Leigh Anne has it. If you dont talk about Cardi then we not hearing the faux outrage.

[@1louisprotector28]

Leigh-Anne is not jealous on Jesy, yall love using this excuse. Why would she be jealous?

[@m.o.thomeland5503]

@@1louisprotector28 exactly she is more naturally looks better in age and jesy looks 40.

[@1louisprotector28]

@@m.o.thomeland5503 And on top of that Jesy was so insecure with her own looks that she made the other girls feel bad/guilty about how they looked. Like she literally was mad that Jade can "eat whatever she want and stay skinny" when Jade literally was so skinny because she had an ED. And her not really caring that Leigh-Anne faced racism and she mentioned something about Perries weight before too.

[@m.o.thomeland5503]

@@1louisprotector28 when you are insecure you put it on others. She is the definition of sad.

[@1louisprotector28]

@@m.o.thomeland5503 Exactly. The fact that people are actually saying the girls are the ones jealous of Jesy has me so confused when that's all Jesy was when she was in the group. Neither one of the girls are jealous of Jesy and neither one of them had to change their looks because they were insecure and jealous of other girls.

[@aussieapril]

But no-one got anything to say about Jade's hair in the Sweet Melody music video then, no? ... y'all wanna pick and choose when to accuse someone of "black-fishing" is ridic. Jesy doesn't even remotely look black in the video. Plus it's a sample of a Puff Daddy song so there is obviously going to be black influence there.

[@musicloverdancelife]

Jade is mixed that's why no one is saying anything about her.

[@danoonisasinger3739]

Btw nicki isn't black woman

[@soprano2087]

?????

[@shaynapunim]

she literally is

[@Aliciae411]

Both her parents are Trinidadian but her dad is half Indian. She’s still black.

[@Cebb1221]

Ngl after that live w Nicki I have zero respect for Jesy. Leigh-Anne deserves so much better and thank God her toxic ass is out of the group and friend circle for good.

[@ariaxrose1]

Her hair is naturally like that though......

[@gdesiree29]

Ok and ? If thats all u got from this video, u didn't learn anything

[@ariaxrose1]

@@gdesiree29 no they kept labeling her hair as being one of the issues im just letting them know its not because her hair is naturally like that. Why you so defensive? 🤣 you can be wrong on something and right about other parts you know......🙄

[@ariaxrose1]

@@gdesiree29 and it means her hair isn't a factor into trying to appear racially ambiguous as she's white and was born with that hair. Talk about the skin tone yes, lip fillers yes but her hair, that's a no.

[@viv6594]

@@ariaxrose1 first of all shut tf up. Im a hairstylist for 12 years yeah her hair is curly but not like this! This is a wig and hair that she can’t naturally grow so stop with the excuses this is white privilege to its finest

[@MrSiBrum]

@@ariaxrose1 Whilst I agree in regards to her but, the way how you made your comment, it looked like that was all you took from it. It came across ignorant. You should've added some more content showing that you understand the issue at hand. Then you could have put "but, I disagree with the hair issue because xyz...."

[@3sisterswine413]

I'm really sick of all of this. If you are smart at all you know Jesy isn't trying to be black. She isn't purposely trying to look ambiguous. When she started with little mix, trying out for Xfactor, she dressed that way, that's how everyone dressed where she was from in Essex. She was tan. She loved R&B and hip hop. She has naturally curly hair. All the girls wore wigs all the time. I personally like to tan. Who is anyone to tell me I can't. I also will wear what I want. How would you like anyone telling you what you can and cannot do. Ridiculous. Everyone needs to mind their own business. If you don't like her don't watch her. I'm 100% each and every person can be found to be doing something everyone can call you out for according to this silly, easily offended society

[@1louisprotector28]

Girl...what? Lmfao, you're literally going off on them and saying how easily offended people are yet you seem really offended yourself. And if Jesy has a right to wear what she wants how come people can't comment their opinions on how she looks and how she's coming off to people? Don't be a hypocrite.

[@3sisterswine413]

@@1louisprotector28 Not hypocritical. Everyone is bullying her and she doesn't deserve it. There is a difference.

[@1louisprotector28]

@@3sisterswine413 The girls weren't bullying her lmfao. Did you miss the part where they said they still love Jesy? Or when they said they don't think she's being malicious? And that they still want Jesy to succeed as a solo artist? You literally were going off on them in your comment. They were really respectful and never said anything bad about Jesy. People (especially black people) have a right to feel offended by how Jesy is coming off. Jesy has been warned too many times about this but she doesn't seem to care so if people want to call her out they can. I have no idea if you're white or black but if you're white and trying to tell black people how to feel about this situation that would be really messed up on your part.

[@3sisterswine413]

@@1louisprotector28 Didn't say a thing about the girls

[@1louisprotector28]

@@3sisterswine413 I was talking about the girls in this video just to clarify and yes you did. You literally started your comment off by saying "if you are smart at all you'd know...." And then went on a full rant just because you got pressed. So because they were offended by how Jesy is coming off that makes them not smart? You said if they don't like Jesy then they should stop watching her, you clearly missed when they said they still love her and don't think she's malicious. Also you said that everyone is easily offended. When talking about race or a white person blackfishing it shouldn't matter how easily offended someone is. Situations like this should be talked about so people can understand and be educated.

[@kevinp1530]

So we just gonna ignore Leigh Anne being messy and shady ? Trying to have people bash her? She’s the victim ? Okay

[@thatoneweirdkidthatyoudisl6723]

Yeah she shouldn’t have done that, but jesy shouldn’t have sat there and laughed while her friend of 10 years gets dragged over someone she has known for 2 seconds, and continues to like and comment on nickis post after.

[@sijdudjdjd954]

@@thatoneweirdkidthatyoudisl6723 the texts were proving to be fake

[@thatoneweirdkidthatyoudisl6723]

@@sijdudjdjd954 I was speaking hypothetically

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@sijdudjdjd954 Umm, no they haven't.

[@sijdudjdjd954]

@@tjsquibbofficial they were but ok

[@ariaxrose1]

Do you have love for her? Because I haven't seen you sympathise with the pressures society has put on her to look a certain way? White women are pressured too to look a certain way. If your white and you show a culture your not a part of its bad, there's a hidden agenda etc however why do Hispanic people get away with showing black gktire but never get accused of using it as a prop. Hispanic artists who say the n word, Hispanic artists most thought were black. I only found out today bruno Mars isn't black and im 20 years old. I think a lot of time there's a negative bias towards white people doing things but when poc do it its more acceptable because of history....the longer we stay in the past the longer we remain there. I also just wanna say im not necessarily defending jesy im just defending how a lot of white people are pressured and fall under the pressure but get criticised for basically being insecure. I haven't seen any examples of a white person celebrating, showing black culture and ever being praises or supported. Its always negative. You could be a completely random white girl, if you have lip fillers and a tan then your a bad person automatically it feels like there's no actual balance its just always seen as negative so I would like to hear examples of white people tanning, getting lip fillers and maybe but lifts and isn't told they're taking from black culture.

[@MrSiBrum]

No, white "woman" are pressured to look a certain way. That being thin/slim, toned, face full of make up, ie, a certain beauty standard. Not many white people have a look similar to Jesy, that's because that's not the type of look society pressurises white woman to be. And of course they understand, woman all across the world are expected to look a certain way based on what society tells them to look like. I ain't gonna lie, I agree with your Hispanic comment though. Even J-Lo gets away with using the 'N word' in her music. Don't get me wrong, that's not me saying "because J-Lo can, so can we" but, it needs addressing also.

[@ariaxrose1]

@@MrSiBrum white women are pressured to look a certain way, the ideal is big lips, small button nose, big doe eyes and heart shaped face. Most white people actually don't look like that though. I know in England they certainly don't, you'll have 10 out of 60 that fit the perfect beauty standard. White people encompass many many countries all with individual features we can't all look the same and its just just being White itself itd the idyllic features of a small percentage of white people. Many many white women are considered ugly. Most of us have pretty long noses and thsts certainly not society's beauty standards. I like this healthy debate. Can I ask what your opinion on Hispanics taking from black culture? Why do you think its not as heavily emphasises as when white people do it? Is it due to the fact they Also suffer racism?

[@ariaxrose1]

@@MrSiBrum wait i may have read your comment wrong where you saying that no white woman is pressured to look a certain way? That's What I read but I'm not sure if that's what you meant i may have interpreted that wrong.

[@freppy06]

do not give Meghan Markle that credit. she earned that criticism independent of her race. she barely even looks black anyway.

[@georgekalan7898]

Who the hell is but hurt!! This is a dumb conversation!!