Jetmir vs Indominus Rex vs Edgar Markov vs Athreos EDH / CMDR game play

[@pickledtoast2263]

Let me start by saying people can play whatever deck they want that brings them joy. If I'm playing against a board wipe tribal deck I'm focusing that player first and wouldn't stop until they're gone.

[@MyPurpleScissors]

Same

[@MayhemMessiah]

Yeh, Micah needed to be the first to go. They were able to freely control the game the whole way.

[@ecclesiaandune687]

Ahhhhhh noooooooo interaction!!!! I play commander as a game of show and tell! :((((((

[@jeremysnowden1286]

I can smell y’all salt through the phone

[@MyPurpleScissors]

@@jeremysnowden1286 I mean, it's not really salt it's just a fact. If someone is board wiping basically every turn, no one can build any sort of board state to play against them. Therefore, they need to be taken out first so you can build an actual state to go against the other decks. Now if I was playing something like haste tribal I wouldn't target the board wipe deck because, yes please, wipe the board for me.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Nightmare Shepherd is a nombo with Athreos. If you exile the creature card to create the token with the Shepherd, Athreos can no longer track it because it becomes a new object. And if you bring it back with Athreos, you can't exile it to create the token. You can't get a token AND bring the creature back at the same time.

[@vampirebrattier]

Interesting Markov deck; used to hating playing against it; but this seems super unique.

[@garra277]

I'm like 99% sure Nightmare Shepherd doesn't work with Atheros, Shroud-Veiled.

[@DarkEinherjar]

It doesn't.

[@garra277]

@@DarkEinherjar thank you for that extra 1%

[@quietninjariot]

Yeah, the Athreos player won by cheating.

[@newtpondskipper]

Maximus! Loving that take on that commander. Usually hate it but this was cool. Side note love that this channel has the deck lists, even if I don't plan on playing the decks I still like looking at the card choices.

[@jthrone7768]

The only Edgar Markov deck I wouldn’t immediately focus down. Love the novelty of Max’s brew.

[@paintingwithatwistphiladel2538]

I don't believe the Shepard works with Athrios like that. Once the one trigger resolves the other would lose its target since it is in a new zone. Can someone confirm this or not?

[@jordiromagosa5383]

They don't. Both trigger, but only the first one to resolve brings it back. The other trigger fizzles because it doesn't have a valid target anymore (it technically isn't a target because the word isn't used, but they do 'target' the card).

[@Zaalbarjedi]

Neither of the triggers target anything! They still don't work together though.

[@41F]

The controller gets to choose which order to resolve, but choosing either one will make the other ability not work: If you choose to resolve Athreos's ability first, then the shepherd will not be able to see that the game object has changed zones from the graveyard to the battlefield (see CR rule 400.7). It will only look in the graveyard and since it's no longer there, the "you may exile it. If you do" portion won't happen. Likewise, if you resolve the shepherd's ability first, then a similar thing will happen when Athreos attempts to return it to the battlefield. The ability will fail to find the game object in the zone it expected to, and be unable to perform the game action of putting it from that zone onto the battlefield.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good to know! Thank you for pointing that out.

[@gapeape3895]

I was confused as to why everyone was jumping Micah but then I remembered hes playing boardwipe tribal... fuck that, I would do the same

[@j2c695]

Love watching you on my lunch break! Cheers Andrew and team!

[@Anaki99DK]

08:50 magda should be dead?

[@livanbard]

Totally

[@livanbard]

Unless he did some psychic paper play that was not voiced over.

[@Keos027]

I recently built an indominus deck after seeing yours. Been really enoying it.

[@Daytun13]

Shepard and athreos do not work like that. Because the coin counters disappear when a creature changes zones, athreos cannot bring back creatures exiled through Shepard's ability.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good to know! Thank you for pointing that out.

[@JR-ti5jm]

Further clarification on case anyone is wondering why: Athreos ability reads "Whenever a creature with a coin counter on it dies or is put into exile, return that card to the battlefield under your control." Nightmare Shepherd reads "Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, you may exile it. If you do, create a token that’s a copy of that creature, except it’s 1/1 and it’s a Nightmare in addition to its other types." So, basically he could bring the creature back with the Athreos ability when it dies or it's exiled 'from the battlefield.' But if you choose to exile it with Nightmare Shepherd when it dies, Athreos can't return it and it will remain in exile.

[@Lazydino59]

Slamming your giant indestructible dinosaur onto a board with false prophet and ulamog is certainly a… decision?

[@milluvia005]

He did draw 8 cards with it, so maybe it was more so to sculpt a better hand and fill his graveyard.

[@MrMassicare]

I questioned that too, especially if it couldn't haven indestructible even if there was an exile boardwipe on the board. I would've just kept pressuring the boardwipe deck with ulamog and politic'ed my way from not being attacked even after the exile board wipe

[@TriangularPrism]

Hey, five mana to draw 8 is unironically good value. Plus it gets some stuff in your graveyard for later, and it's not like BUG has an issue with mana ramp anyways

[@darrianceragland7963]

Can you do another Caesar gameplay im trying to see a take on it that’s consistent

[@astonrichardson5288]

Interesting take on Edgar 😊

[@goldengryphon3103]

this is making me want to build a indominus deck

[@DarkEinherjar]

That Adam is on a roll

[@spencergauss8923]

Dusk mangler victory 😅🎉

[@andrewdurham5385]

So in our playgroup each player gets up to 3 board-wipes per game. After 3 they get punched in the face for each afterwards

[@connorl0204]

Like actually punched in the face or just focused down out of the game? Because punching your friends in the face, while hilarious from the outside, doesn’t sound like a very “friends” thing to do

[@dragonminutes4750]

​@@connorl0204 autism moment

[@andrewdurham5385]

@@connorl0204 depends on the person lol.

[@letopizdetz]

The Jetmir deck plays 9 enchantments, most of which are mostly 'win-more' cards, in other words dead draws after a boardwipe. Replace 3x5mana ones for Tendershoot Dryad, or any mass token generator, a Rhythm of the Wild and a Bitter Reunion and you will feel better about the deck. Also put 2-3 'your creatures don't die to boardwipes this turn' spells in there. There are sooo many in white :))

[@livanbard]

I forgot how much I hated planar colapse back in the day lol now I dont know rhis guy micah but showing up with board wipe deck and still cheating for tokens is wild lol

[@GeorgeAdolio]

🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@MM-lv7iy]

Athreos this game was DISGUSTING(in a good way)! As someone who has token and creature based decks, I hope to rngesus that I don’t have too many decks like that at my LGS.

[@j2c695]

Just pray it away! RNJesus will hear!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Make sure you have enchantment removal that exiles.

[@ecclesiaandune687]

Holy moly this comment section is full of cry babies. God forbid someone interacts with your board state - its commander, not show and tell

[@nicholasharris9921]

Pronouns by the names hahahaha

[@atmaximum]

An Edgar Markov tutoring a Sol Ring is the type of thing that makes you not get invidted back to play

[@Spirited_skiing]

lol he def wasn’t the problem this game

[@theaamanable]

If you thought that was the issue you clearly did not watch this game. Board wipe tribal is how you don’t get invited back

[@DarkEinherjar]

I'm pretty sure board wipe tribal makes people not invite you more...

[@j2c695]

Micah will be back

[@connorl0204]

I usually see the first stax player in a group not getting invited back more than the bunch of boardwipes player. But then again, im not a good perspective on this because one of the guys that taught me to play’s pet deck is oloro boardwipes and walkers, then another of the introductory players built a grixis control deck shortly after, And when we complained that it didn’t let us do anything he switched to Augustin IV and showed us what true “can’t play the game” looks like. This was back in 2017 though so ive grown as a person and as a player and now i just know to build more interaction into my decks and use it more to my own benefit.