【堅離地政經・馮智政 🎓】識睇一定與IB放榜一起睇，DSE狀元少反映高材離港？以成績分佈去看今年香港學生表現，香港學生考評統計應該如何去理解？

[@ThomasTsoiTheTraveller]

做過DSE marker的話會知道仲有一個位可以做手腳，就係改卷嘅時候手唔手緊。 每年senior marker會先改一小部份卷，再視乎整體考生表現開會決定一啲常見錯誤或問題畀唔畀分，然後先訂立準則畀其他marker跟住改。簡單嚟講就係如果整體表現好，就會改得手緊啲；如果整體表現差，就會改得鬆手啲。以英文為例，可能paper 1 reading comprehension嘅paper答某一年某一問題，你只要答到keyword，意思中就有分；但另一年一條類似嘅題目如果你錯tense或者plural漏s就冇分都有可能。

[@kelvintamxp888]

Listening 都係 ~ )

[@hellohomekong]

啱啊，年年都係咁，6 7 年前嘅5** 同呢兩年嘅5** 啲質素真係唔好比較 睇下每年嘅exemplars 都會睇得出

[@kelvintamxp888]

@@hellohomekong 有時睇不同年份既Level 3 exemplars 都睇到有DD 水平唔係好同 , 有沒同感 ?

[@hellohomekong]

@@kelvintamxp888 3同5都比較明顯 而個個level 嘅marking guidelines 都跟隨當年trial marking 同sae大人嘅心意而改變😏

[@alamzialamzi9932]

馮先生：謝謝你的數據分析🙏🙏🙏

[@tommylamck]

很喜欢睇你的节目，分析得详细

[@pebblewaffle4223]

馮同學，多謝高質有heart分析

[@KururuW]

10年前入到大學你會有沈教授，10年後可能只有農村黨校出身嘅土著，有資源嘅學生，脫離dse脫離香港系統係大勢

[@ketchupc1051]

Well said Jacky! Having straddled between IBDP and UK A level for quite a number of years in the region e.g. ESF, Singapore, Korea and China I have to say the upside of IBDP is that such hexagonal curriculum structure allows for subject variety, flexibility and differentiation among students, not to mention EE, ToK and CAS that enable students to develop qualities of self-motivation, resilience, versatility and collaboration that are essential to their prospective academic, vocational and personal successes. As a teacher I thoroughly enjoy the process with enormous excitement as these students do. Sorry to say but to me HKDSE is way too bland in terms of the subject options! Totally exam driven! Kids are not at all trained to make a better use of their brains throughout their learning journey. I wonder how a curriculum with such obsolete structure helps these young people succeed in an ever-changing society. Over the last half a year I was lucky enough teaching HKDSE English in a local Band 3 school. What I personally witnessed in my classes was that once these local school kids struggling from Day 1 of S1 reaching S4 realise how inaccessible HKDSE English is the majority of them just simply gave it up! I don't blame them. It's just the curriculum failing them, who are the majority in the exam cohort. The low passing rate of HKDSE English speaks for itself, doesn't it?

[@pollyng5823]

😊

[@wanwhitney5719]

Thank you sooooo much for your authentic and sincere sharing, Jacky! Honestly, our child studied in IB when we were in HK before. We arranged her to study in ESF because its IB results are brilliant even in the world. According to our personal experiences, most of the bright ESF students have moved to stay or study in other countries since around 2019. Frankly, most of the well-educated and middle class parents may arrange their children to study in IB schools or even study abroad. That’s why most of the bright students may not choose to study in DSE schools. Anyways, we really like to watch your videos. Hope everything goes well with you! Cheers & Have a Lovely Day!

[@sandcastleyellowslide7962]

Good analysis, backed up with suffice data and drew a fair conclusion. 好欣賞呢個節目。presentation 亦節奏分明。 睇得出落咗好多心機做功課。👍

[@alittlelionfish]

考評局軟對抗，平時十個今次得返四個，即係暗示六個已走路。

[@popomort]

64 仲唔係軟對抗？

[@kaisinchan]

其實DSE狀元已經好多年冇10個咁多，只係得7-8個

[@yukshanyuen4046]

馮先有料到呀！加油！😊

[@1636cltsang]

擔心未端學生係多餘，公安警察收入無限。李家超係代表人

[@michaelgaga]

I'm a big fan of this channel and find this new host bringing good new things to it. Yet, I couldn't finish this episode, the reason being his claim that we should look at the results of IB for HK's best students' performance. It's far from the truth! Most HK students and parents know that it is far easier to get better exam results in IB than in DSE. HK universities' admission officers with relevant professional knowledge know that. Many sophisticated overseas education departments even have formulated their own conversion table to discount IB results to make them comparable to their local public exams. Appreciate if the host will find a chance to clarify this so as not to mislead the lay general public.

[@zitalo4951]

IB 考試真係很全面，唔係讀書人也很吃力去考😅

[@2qrcsj8794]

香港所謂精英制, 放棄大半青年同学生 英美加澳教育制度永遠唔放棄学生, 想讀大学嘅必有途徑

[@pandoralee8707]

🙏thanks for info and support you. God bless HK.

[@xxvwhxx]

片最尾分析香港學生英文水平幾有趣 反映英語水平下降幾咁嚴重

[@papaul8566]

叻仔跟家人走咗 仲使講咩！

[@henrym5034]

香港中學生英文水平下降都真係有眼睇（主觀感覺） 😢

[@claudiajung4695]

不是主觀，是現實！

[@papaul8566]

只會越來越差,兩大原因: 越叻越走得快、學習環境越嚟越 cheap

[@coffeebreak100]

I don’t think they have gotten worse, most kids are much better nowadays imho.

[@user-jl1cr3bb1m]

多謝！

[@derekh9209]

其實留下來的, 應該入直資考IB去外國升學, 除非仍然想入港大中大讀醫.

[@Leavelavender]

有興趣這方面的分析！

[@dominigu1451]

Thanks for sharing, Jacky

[@funininfun4425]

Good job! Jacky~ an interesting topic. deep and analytical analysis. besides, if possible, pls provide more evidence on the exam paper content comparison among years.

[@anthonykoo8007]

👍

[@keniceeunice2644]

聽下今屆不同學校考IB和DSC 訪問，非常有自己的看法，很不離地啊！

[@cartussy]

德望個位女狀元大讚國安大法，一帶一路，cepa, 很不離地 😂

[@金閃閃的忠誠怪]

梗係唔離地啦，咁先正常架嘛 留係香港唔咁講，點加入新香港

[@gagwong8964]

留港？聽講佢好掙扎喎？香港咁好，仲掙扎乜L嘢？😂

[@lyonlam6444]

謝謝❤

[@kchan1322]

Well rounded statistics and good interpretation

[@janeliu3784]

香港衰，只有這些既得利益者最得益。誰？建議給中央立特區乜安法的那些人？

[@cookwithkathy6564]

成績好有鬼用，淨係識讀醫！冇人話第日搞下start up,香港真係做就大量循規蹈矩嘅考試機器，所以佢地出國揀英國。北美名牌大學成績好只係一張入場券，最重要係leadership 同outstanding 嘅achievement, 最好與別不同，重要口才同埋有服務社會嘅經驗。就算係入醫科除咗要有undergraduate degree，最緊要interview 表現同extensive 嘅resume! I think young people in North America are comparatively more open minded, creative and willing to take risk.

[@Sunny-vq5cw]

學生漏失嚴重，自然就會減弱競爭力，亦會拉低個 curve，這是毋庸置疑的。

[@paulcheung9786]

總之有家底，有能力都考IB, 跟手去外國讀啦，我身邊D超級中產，大把之前讀名校既仔女走左啦。一到F.5, F.6就已經成家走左，又或者一考完IB 跟手走人

[@chrisip1071]

Thanks

[@archiekleung]

Thanks for in depth analysis. Two things. Ability to get things done is very hard to measure because we do not know what would be the next challenge. That is why, say, software companies would put the new recruits to spend time on bug fix. That may typically take a year. If you are good in producing solution you can move to other department/group. At the end of the year those remain in the bug fix room would be offered a term contract still doing the bog fix. You are one foot at the door. >>>This is not odd at all. Most jobs anywhere offer a probation period. >>>Therefore a word for the bottom of the barrow oranges. Never give up. When people think you are a low achiever try turning the table by asking how often were you right? >>>The standard of English language is not satisfactory. That is inevitable. This is the fault of the last generation and the generation before them. Lee Kuan Yew permanently hired a person to correct his language. One day, I have a bit of time, I may elaborate a bit on this. As the movie Good Will Hunting said “It is not your fault”. The script was written by two people neither of which graduated from university.

[@Manmanjfm]

現實真殘酷

[@sukuijul]

攞唔夠12分可以申請中国985一線大學，收生標準極低，基本上你肯報都入到北大、清華、復旦、南大、南開、上交、暨南、中山、浙大，不過就記著嚟緊四年要收聲唔好亂發文，就算同班大陆同學幾friend都好唔好講真話，只要未畢業返嚟香港都唔可以鬆懈

[@9B17]

唔係話，得12分可以入清華北大？

[@sukuijul]

@@9B17 喺，堅嘅

[@kimberlywu1326]

啲親戚話啲有香港身份證既大陸人都可以唔考DSE 容易入中國一線大學又真唔真？

[@sukuijul]

@@kimberlywu1326 依嗰唔清楚，不過你親戚講得出有香港身份證用高考成績都容易啲入，應該都冇錯，梗喺有人試過至咁講，班雙非真喺開心死

[@RainbowJack218]

咁少狀元,會唔會考慮拉低評分標準,咁狀元咪多返囉⋯⋯🤨

[@papaul8566]

宜家仲有 external examiner 昅住做外評㗎！遲吓就唔知啦！

[@frankieyim]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@neutra1405]

大家重記唔記得2020年歷史科發生什麼事？我一生都會記得

[@calesttam271]

另一個重點係好多成績好既學生完成DSE 先走去外國讀大學!

[@henrylau6007]

👍

[@chanjackie6033]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙌🙏🌈

[@hk_200k]

狀元我只記得鄒幸彤。林作話乜野咁？狀元要負責改變社會。哦

[@ai7689]

其實都未計直接起中小學去英美讀個批。

[@dcar6530]

其實, 是結構性問題.

[@503cmha2]

堅定地向香港同胞傳遞習近平思想；說中國話、吃中國食、穿中國衣、用中國貨、在中國遊、過中國節、購中國物、有中國腦、安中國心、想中國事、守中國禮、做中國人！

[@seelo4579]

👍👍👍👍

[@waikwongchan]

香港學英文就係死記發音"a pan and a man", 美國小學就由併音開始, 小學畢業, 你俾一個英文發音, 佢就可以將個字串出黎, 你俾任何一個英文字, 佢都可以讀出黎, 有次問啊仔個字點讀, 我跟佢讀一次, 佢話唔係, 你個H細聲少少, 大佬, 我點整個H細聲少少呀? 呢個問題就同我地讀古文一樣, 一行有三個字唔識讀, 都唔好話識唔識解啦, 點讀落去呀?

[@timng883]

除IB外，還有iAL嘅

[@ch83542]

Interesting😂係本身成績好嘅去考ib定係考完ib變咗成績好

[@papaul8566]

Both ！

[@daveau6096]

唔得果班咪去考某無紀律部隊囉,60條MC,撞都撞到

[@papaul8566]

曾至矮 都考得！

[@cacachan961]

每年都拉Curve 個比例自然一樣 😅

[@lam4lawrence]

聽完你詳盡分析，都係唔明點解今年只得四位狀元？

[@sukuijul]

原因咪最top嗰班唔再考DSE囉！因為高中可以揀IB、GCE、AP去考，唔駛考DSE

[@lam4lawrence]

@@sukuijul 最 top 嗰班揀去考 IB、GCE、AP 唔係今屆既新局面，已經發生左好多年！都係唔明點解今年只得四位狀元？

[@sukuijul]

@@lam4lawrence 雖然唔喺新局面，但有得揀考乜嘅得直資學校，津校、官校都冇得揀考乜，雖然移民潮唔會影響已經讀緊F4、F5、F6嘅學生半途而廢即刻出國，但若然喺20年讀F3又點呢？依班有米嘅官校或者津校生就唔會升F4，直接去外國讀high school，就算唔即刻走都轉去直資，計算埋滯後時間就啱啱喺今屆，當然仲有一個原因喺直資學校學生選擇考DSE嘅比例更低，特別最top嗰班，往時有啲打算留港升大學嘅仲會考DSE，依家根本冇考慮留港升大學，根本唔考慮考DSE

[@AJQ3]

以前有統計，大部份大學生家庭一般是中產以上，而家移民最大部份系中產

[@papaul8566]

@@AJQ3 閃得快 大家好世界

[@claudiajung4695]

那位去劍橋讀物理的將來對世界科研一定有所貢獻！

[@察見淵魚者不祥]

考IB唔係最好，係最有錢

[@papaul8566]

yes！ 無錢点讀？

[@stevechan8790]

想問下香港講緊全球最多狀元頭5名果2-3間，係邊2-3間學校呢？

[@wanwhitney5719]

Probably it’s ESF!

[@ccfungJacky]

St Paul co ed

[@tommychan2609]

識玩梗係考IB

[@papaul8566]

貴吖嘛！

[@joechan1616]

🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@papaul8566]

秀才-可以開私塾做老師, 跟跟吓做埋狀棍！ 舉人-可以一家免稅！ 進仕要入翰林院攪一大論先有機會見皇上,第一名才算狀員！現代講人口中的狀員真係唔知可以点講？

[@colintclai]

終於有人問學校英文投入咁多 man hours 及人工畀啲老師但細路啲英文點解仲係咁渣

[@chengyanyu]

全部都係syllabus 去教根本唔係真係教你英文

[@ryanchk]

系一個歷史同觀念都錯撚晒既地方出既所謂狀元都係錯撚晒既狀元，呢堆所謂5**除左用黎刷主席鞋之外仲有乜用？

[@aikenau]

讀得成書又想從政，今時今日係讀醫㗎！唔通讀政政咩...😛

[@AJQ3]

然後醫生過幾年發現頭頭都系煲冬瓜

[@wongtoyo2194]

讀書叻最希望就係搵件好工打，創業都係靠廢青

[@shirleysiu5958]

狀元數唔係升就跌架啦, 唔通年年都增加或持平咩, 跌少少又拿來做文章, 無X聊

[@察見淵魚者不祥]

有種就去HKU睇下班所謂最好既IB學生有幾多個拎倒First Hon

[@derekh9209]

你有數據嗎? 請勿空口說白話.

[@walterfeng509]

只有一個肯做科學家，其他都只係睇钱.香港重講乜創科.睇下台湾從半世紀前開始留學美國，而家開美結果领導科技界.

[@SunnieWoo]

👍🏼👍🏼👏🏻👏🏻💪🏼💪🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🦘🇦🇺

[@ivanlam223]

香港已经係中国的香港啦，讲真现在仲系可以真实小小迟啲就真系唔知真定假啦

[@YY34566]

狀元 is the wrong name. These top scorers are just top pre-tertiary students. 狀元 should be those who graduate with top marks at master or PhD level. It may be harmful to the society if we emphasize too much on these top students. What HK lacks is to teach the students the right attitudes, an enquiring mind, humble, imaginative, problem solving ability and most important thing of all, a happy and caring personality. Perhaps we shall start with teaching the parents. I am the parent two top students and one above average. But I taught my kids to be humble, a difficult task for top students.

[@andyyu5957]

In new Hong Kong, qualities such as curiosity, humility, imagination, empathy get you nowhere. And stop boasting about your children.

[@papaul8566]

Well said

[@leo3361-e6t]

表達能力麻麻，講一大段嘢都唔到題， 唔該改善一下， 另外，我要調速度1.25。

[@ivanlam223]

睇吓自己乜嘢料先啦

[@chunwahbassanioshum8161]

既然英文學極都唔好，索性取消英文科好了。橫掂都再冇乜實用價值。

[@CathyCFWong]

Welcome to New Xianggang!!!

[@dilystang7198]

Thanks

[@bifftao]

👍