DSE放榜誰中狀元不重要！全球最重要IB狀元每七人有一人是港人！大家就知道香港學生幾勁！國際測驗SAT、ACT究竟是什麼？講下以前香港會考歷史《蕭若元：蕭氏新聞台》2022-07-20

[@MrMilanoLau]

香港盛產的是考試機器，不少學生其實對知識並沒有太大好奇心，努力讀書是為了考得好成績、考得好成績是為了進好大學、進好大學是為了能找一份好工，找一份好工是為了賺更多的錢。說白了就是書中自有黃金屋。在國際公開試考得頂級成績的香港學生不少，但會成為國際頂級學者的不多，因為做學問從來都不是最賺錢的事情。

[@MrMilanoLau]

@@Wind308 原始的儒家思想注重禮、人倫與道德，那些萬般皆下品的其實是已經被後來帝皇為方便統治而歪曲的產物。外面是儒，裡面不過是名利而矣，與真正的儒家南轅北轍。

[@limark1054]

多謝分析！

[@LetWiseUp]

我姨生早幾年DSE，physics, chemistry, biology, English & math 拿5科5**，其餘2科拿5*，阿仔不足16歲也考雅思 7.5分，香港非名校學生是好努力去完成自己目標。

[@crystalfung7050]

但香港就係咁啦，你在名校墊底都會覺得你叻過非名校。

[@蚩尤-t9q]

谢谢分享。

[@leungtam8362]

大家好心❤

[@リアーンホ]

IB 其實對中四的學生係難，因為好多野要用讀+寫，仲要全部英文，但係得到的閱讀、思辯技能對於讀大學好有幫助。捱過高中第一年、閱讀寫作變左習慣後就ok。

[@circlemunozramirez8266]

英中F.1 已經用英文教數西史地理科學電腦, 難? 不過香港得到既只係背書用做PAPER既能力

[@pandoralee8707]

🙏👍thanks for info and support you. Glad to see that Mr. Siu is still interested and informed on HK education system. Always up-to-date.

[@GFWforbiddenNews]

面向世界的教育、面向世界的考試

[@calvintan8262]

I remember the grades were A1, A2, A3, B4, ..., G21, H22, H23, H24...

[@ericchin1009]

Eisenhower 在西點軍校時考到21名畢業，曾國藩是進士第三級差點出局，主席是樑家河出身，都是時勢出英雄。

[@andylam2775]

倒轉講就真，IB狀元只係IB狀元，若 換算DSE計，等於5科22分左右水平，仲要中文嗰科完全係unclassified, 可能等於DSE唔及格，因為攞最高grade 都未必有DSE嘅3分。不過，自2020開始DSE嘅質素都應該低咗一、兩級，因為淺過以前好多。DSE最高一屆嘅考試人數係八萬幾人，呢兩、三年只得四萬幾人。只得一半人考，啲卷淺咗，而且因人數少所以攞高分數亦易好多，而且大學學額又多咗好多，IB都係同樣情況。所以現時喺香港要入大學嘅難度幾乎冇，你年年包尾屬智力低嘅都入到大學。而公開試亦已經今時唔同往日。 而之所以香港咁多IB狀元係因為全世界只有香港將佢安排畀咁多普通巿民讀，其它國家普通係啲跟隨家長旅居外地工作，所以先讀呢個專畀漂流喺外地公幹嘅子弟讀，方便佢哋下一點去世界其它國家繼續升學。所以人哋都係求其讀，亦要就番啲落後國家學生嘅水平，所以程度絕對唔能夠高。但香港啲有錢人就利用個課程讀嚟方便去外國升學。一句講哂分別係你有冇錢讀。係香港先至咁。

[@pingpingsun56]

全完同意。人生路途很遥遠，做到老，學刭老，天生我材必有用 千金散尽还复来。Everyone’s strength is in different areas, for those who did not get top marks, doesn’t mean anything, work hard play hard.

[@Okben126]

有人讀齊phy Chen bio嘅 加4課必修科 一科數延 8科狀元

[@MrBravoamigo]

I recall my very old days in King's College in the early 60's when taking the secondary school certificate examination by selecting 10 subjects such as English Literature, History, Chinese literature, Chinese history , Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry , Biology, Geography and Arts. Too many of us scored high grades in science subjects e.g. distinctions and credits. Their choices in university faculty were Medicine and Engineering. One students scored 10 distinctions. Proud of the then achievements. Seems not as good as before in recent years!

[@Meandaddy]

One of my cousins also went to King's College, one of the very best schools in HK. My cousin subsequently entered HKU to study Chemistry. King's College was my number 1 target school when I was preparing for my secondary school entrance exam.

[@Meandaddy]

@@c0179614 I was only talking about King's College back in the 60/70s. As to the current academic status of King's College (or its teachers), or in that matter, the status/ranking of any of HK's schools, I am 100% clueless.

[@stephenchan6613]

唔係所有香港家庭都負擔得起啲細路去讀 IB.

[@stephenchan6613]

@dennis1990872 是的，有錢讀 IB 學校，考大學排的隊就是 Non Jupas 。

[@奇窮]

721申請被打三週年👍👍👍

[@Ivan-dj8yv]

根據歷朝考試制度，考到鄉試為童生，考到縣試為秀才。故香港現今DSE考生頂多為秀才。完成大學教育方為舉人，考取殿試方為進士，進士前三名為狀元、探花、榜眼。 蕭生可否詳細講解歷朝考試制度，以正視聽，勿再稱童生秀才為狀元。🤔

[@ppee5371]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@iolowong]

Caption 和版面的圖都錯了，不是 DES，是 DSE 呀！！！

[@adamma4033]

在加拿大讀 IB 要做小組實驗,寫論文還要花時間囉學分,所以ㄧ啲都唔輕鬆,也不容易拿到畢業証書.小學1至8年級,9至12年級是中學,全安省有約92O間中學,但只有12間中學有IB program 讀,所有 IB program 班是由安省和天主教教育局主辦,沒有私辦, 不像國際學校你交學費就有得讀,學費全免,但第三,四年每年交ㄧ仟加元作國際考試費用,每年成績不理想者被篩出 IB program, 不到四份ㄧ學生能畢業拿 IB diploma, 通常第ㄧ年最多學生被淘汰,因很多學生是參加甚麼 IB program tutoring class 以華人居多.IB program 除學生學習水準高,重要的是 IB program diploma 是全球140 國乘應的中學畢業証書直入當地大學.

[@river.wong.2000]

香港邊度會有中學教SAT或ACT課程吖?

[@liberalstudiesmaterials899]

請問讀那科最好?

[@darren654]

Support

[@francischeung3100]

講嚟講去都係講追分數. 冇錯, 可以入到好大學. 因為死靠勤力及tip題, 畢業成績也會不錯.但去到學術研究, phd级等, 就往往輸給別人. 缺乏創意、生命体驗及非物質追求是一般港版成功學生的敗筆

[@michaelyen6317]

好明顯蕭生對教育一竅不通，除咗照讀嗰啲成績之外大部份都不正確...

[@francesleung9209]

超狀不是首次，不嬲都有

[@andychu6177]

讀書考試高分主要是記憶力強，但欠缺世界宏觀常識就不能勝任決策或領導地位，做學者或教授就可以。

[@juneloo4422]

咁多IB狀元，咁有冇畢業後做什麼職業統計？如果好似麥明詩及林作咁，高不成低不就，就無用啦😓只是考試機器

[@tsanhw]

肅生話 HKAL 是世界上其中最難考的 exam 之一。 我贊成，讀香港 AL 會短壽三年，是我輩在九十年代時很多考生的說法!

[@michelleder108]

GRE呢？

[@dorayoung2746]

讀醫chemistry才最重要

[@kennethlee7989]

讀醫科不一定要讀Biology,但一定要讀chemistry

[@yhm2741]

香港出到IB 狀元但出唔到Steve Jobs / Elon Musk

[@davidlam1967]

蕭生，香港中小學要返學到8月中，休兩星期又開學嘞

[@christinatsoi1201]

蕭生，唔係叻嘅人走晒去讀IB, 係有錢嘅

[@stephenchan6613]

蕭先生要加多句，冇錢嘅窮同學生係不可能去讀 IB 的。

[@mandywong2154]

👍🥰

[@yingchan388]

I am completely agreed with Mr Shiu, who theoretically speaking , that landing your first dream Job is not based upon which Well known University you are graduated from ,but your previous job experience really counts ! Genius graduate does not guaranteed that you will become a future Millionaire ...

[@arthurleung1395]

And becoming a millionaire doesn’t necessarily mean that you are successful and enjoy your life.

[@network360]

香港怪象就係政府班所謂官同議員個個人工高於高分狀元之後嘅成為醫生律師教授建築師

[@peterwan9076]

如果你睇博士生，你就知港人真係鳳毛麟再，九成以上係內地生。可以看到香港社會係吾重视知識，更不重视研究，只看揾錢。一個不重视知識的社會係冇前途嘅，因為你只會應用現有技術，你的服務或產品只能同別人鬥平鬥賤，別人一出制裁，你就無用武之地。台積电之崛起，主要是靠一班博士研發先進制程，如果单靠最先進的光刻机，那麼就不能領先韓國整整一代。很多人把香港不着重研發歸咎於資金短缺，但香港以前不是金融中心嗎？作為世界金融中心，投資的錢會缺嗎？缺不是錢，是長遠的眼光，既然炒樓炒股賺錢更快更易，何必投資科研？所以香港才會有今天。

[@fcbb77-7]

好似林鄭月娥咁年年考第一咁就掂，考唔到第一都唔怕，中五畢業去做警察一樣咁成功

[@terrytong8665]

做警察正丫， 一個打十個。

[@K39no]

懂得揸支槍，砌低果個揸支筆嘅，激到佢紥紥跳，把心一橫，留低條蕉皮你嘆吓。

[@Ivan-dj8yv]

讀書考試祇為功名做大官？賺大錢？出人頭地？光宗耀祖？揚名立萬？黃金屋？顏如玉？千鍾粟？🙄😂😜🤪🤔😄😄 家母以往同我講：「家無讀書子，功名何處來？」，「書中自有黃金屋，書中…」，…..。到自己身為人父，再認真想一想教育意義何在。華人普遍著重讀書考試，卻忽略教育意義，實在可悲。

[@pendoraho4374]

睇吓三十年後有幾多個諾貝爾得獎人由香港培養。

[@jacky.w6149]

羨慕又妒忌？？🤣🤣

[@chinese.tuition]

香港只有名校會開ib課程，例如男拔萃只有成績最好的四成學生可以選擇ib課程。 因此只有能力比較好的學生，而且家境富裕才能讀id課程， 考出來的成績自然較好。 我很懷疑外國考lB的是不是像香港這樣。

[@maggiekwong2237]

外國有 state school 考 ib

[@stephenchan6613]

美國不讀 IB， 只讀 SAT 或 ACT

[@stephenchan6613]

@@sofialongevity5601 大部分美國本土人根本不知道什麼事 IB，他們只懂 SAT 和 ACT。考美國大學 是要 SAT 或 ACT 的， 不是 IB

[@stephenchan6613]

加拿大最叻都係嗰三間，其他不用考慮。

[@stephenchan6613]

All Depends... if the kids are lucky to have parents' money support to study IB schools.

[@karenng6699]

認識不少強國年輕人IQ 爆膨成绩一流但觀畢業生攪到揾6妏一個鐘還不一定學有所用况且自主逆思維更重要唯有祝香港明天好運

[@hinydrlee2274]

Only study 📚 MBBS degree 📜 can get rid of poverty.

[@mkt3982]

幾年後香港唔比用英文溝通或者教育🤔🤔🤔

[@yellowwong8410]

讀書叻唔等於高人一等，做人品格操守最重要，林鄭有樣你睇。

[@mikemml3700]

不要詫異香港第三針的上升數字, 這只因為疫苗通行証政策的緣故, 係焗打第三針 !!!

[@lynlyncc]

Grades are not everything. What's the point of gaining the world but losing the soul?

[@winnietong]

DSC only got 7 subjects?!? We used to do 9 HKCEE + 6 HKAL (at my time). That mean we did 15 subjects from F4 to Upper 6. And now they only do 7?!?

[@MOKEYDLUFFY3D2Y]

從來無睇到過考試第一的人做過老闆，都係高級打工仔。

[@mankiu_1997]

都有架，舉個例周勝馥lalamove founder

[@jackielw3451]

考試機器既野有幾叻，咁叻就唔會無乜人係國際有成就，廿幾年前，另呢個地方更加變成無靈魂既機器，因為某地方幾千年文化都以此讀書方式而又萬分自豪，但咁多人都無國際成就應該中叻過香港

[@kwoksangleung9188]

🗾

[@beenchuanchoo4447]

考试机器

[@sunnyronaldo]

出貓嗰位笑死....

[@louislee5147]

全球相信只有香港才會吹捧狀元，係英美考得叻傳媒無人報。

[@96145g]

@@Wind308 GPA系大學成績，系學科成績。大學生講嘅就要過3爆4。但係佢唔係公開考試成績，唔可以比較。

[@laichilong3496]

The problem of dse include a few things: 1 the difference between Chinese language and the elective Chinese subject are unclear, this is due to the whole concept of culture in Chinese culture is selective yet in general Chinese study it is impossible to cover and explain the root of Chinese culture, the whole purpose of the subject is not just only language study but culture study, which in English language you will never see general study need you to know Shakespeare and using the Shakespearean way to write a commence letter, unfortunately this is not usage in general applications, for instead no one will write a commerce letter with all using all these kind of Chinese cultural thinking, and hence a few years ago you will see even writers themselves cant answer the exam paper. 2 the science education had been cut off too much, the basis of science necessary to advance and matching what the society needs was can be said minimal, the option of doing so for designing dse I believe was due to the fact that HK was base on the 4 core industry, but 2 decades HK mainly is a financial hub and I guess at that period the requirement for high level maths is not very intensive (consider doctor, accounting, lawyer and engineering, most these fields don't need intensive maths modeling and also big data is only a recent development in HK) and hence the level of general maths and advance maths are basically too little and not enough, this had heavily affected the syllabus in chemistry and physics, in 2015 they already cut off the part relate to 2D momentum problems simply students I dare to say 80% don't take M2, which is due to most student think maths is hard, but really maths is more objective and writing an essay, and also most schools think that m1 statistics is more suited for biology students and business students, this led to many students don't know calculus and product of sin cos and tan functions, and hence chemistry and physics are constantly being cutoff. This is now affecting the higher tech development in HK due to the shortsight of HK government never really and dare and know to ask and answer the question what is next after the financial hub in HK. 3 lack of programming, this is more of a social problem as 2 decades ago most people had really link programming into gaming and to many it is a bad idea and hence really the HK society really don't have enough education in coding before 2017. Besides the social valuing on programming, the IT elective of dse is a failure this is due to the whole IT elective is more towards business database in the period which programming was not used that often, this had made IT elective is very different than what is needed in the market, again thanks to the government short sight, basically had led to the current situ. I will suggest that to have alternatives from dse to fixs these problems one and really HK people should use more online platform like coursera, khan academy and edx. These were started by MIT and now have enough social recognition, they can be act as advance degree for skills for job hunting or the advance individual skill for any university admission. Can the DSE be saved maybe 5 years ago, but apparently the education bureau is too busy on cultural thinking, and when they spend time on that they will not have time to fix that. So in short term can't be fixed, long term hard to say.

[@aa-bs3dn]

咁勁又唔見有世界級名人？每七個世界級名人有一個香港人你先講啦

[@cfl6069]

香港不是出了个诺贝尔科学奖得奖者吗？叫光纤之父，.忘记叫什么名字了

[@aa-bs3dn]

@@cfl6069 是否 每7個noble price 得住之中有一個香港人？

[@huazhong4877]

@@cfl6069 高錕，在香港讀了二年中學。也就是說，在香港住過二年。

[@yhm2741]

高錕的學術成就都是成為美國人後所得的

[@aa-bs3dn]

@@yhm2741 你覺得美國人貢獻得多，定你老公貢獻得多？

[@kwaiwaikwaiwai389]

錯啦, 讀醫一定要有CHEM, BIO可以無!!!

[@BillWong]

學歷對某些人好重要，就算去到60歲。台灣有柯文哲，仲同陳時中比IQ.佢話自己157,你有幾多？HK有李汝大，每次選舉都話自己中學會考考第一。

[@arthurleung1395]

但係某啲人懶叻睇唔起香港人！

[@archiekleung]

Thanks for the info. The girl missed Oxbridge fell back to Imperial. She was disappointed. She was a disastrous product of her parents. I have a feeling her parents were not university educated. The child is their second coming. Oxbridge, I was told, they ask open ended question at interview. From their observers can see how that brains were configured. A paper chaser with parents carrying school bag for them would fall flat on their face. Going to university is a personal choice. Following parents aspiration and guidance to go to university is like arranged marriage with instructions on which hole to go into. This is just sad. If she was disappointed falling back to Imperial she was an education slave. Imperial is the British MIT. She ought to be proud rubbing shoulder with other bright minded youths. The difference is having a stimulating conversation in a campus bar and playing darts in a workers bar in a factory town. Hope she would shed her baggage to find a passion in her life soon.

[@stephenchan6613]

Oxbridge OK. Imperial also good. No reasons for disappiontment.

[@Sheksiukeung]

👍👍💛💛👍👍