Jiaoqiu E0S1 vs Ruan mei E0S1 DOT team MOC 2.4

[@OlexiVR]

I use Guinaiffen in this team anyways, so Jiaoqiu seems like a great update. Moreover, Guinaiffen as a 4* has weaker stats. But what kind of damage doesn't depend on your rarity? right, break damage. It only depends on your level and break. And Guinaiffen literally has break in her traces. So I will build her in break, and him in Fire DoT. For some reason, everyone only speaks of BS and Kafka or Acheron teams. But by adding DoT to his basic kit, hoyo gives us a great vulnarability core: Guinaiffen and Jiaoqiu. He is very reliable applying fire DoT, and Guinaffen will stack firekiss with her passive + ultimate very quick. Before, if an enemy with DoT died, she had to wait until there is fire DoT on a new enemy to use her ultimate. Otherwise, it wouldn't apply firekiss. Now we can use ultimate almost all the time. And vulnarability is more efficient than def shred. Meaning they both will stack their debuffs. It can be combined with characters who depend on fire dot (Himeko, Hook), or who'd like to add even more damage (Jiaoqiu + Guinaffen + Acheron will be better than BS + Kafka + Acheron because in the second team the only debuffer there is BS, and in the first team both Jiaoqiu and Guinaiffen). Also, vulnarability core can be useful for other chracters who plays with the NUMBER of debuffs (where the quantity is also importante) like Dr Ratio (who needs constantly 5 debuffs), and future characters

[@willyboi1105]

What do you mean vulnerability is more efficient than def shred? Def shred is currently the only damage increase that gets increasingly stronger the more you stack it while others increase linearly.

[@JustusWhales]

@@willyboi1105 Defense Shred is capped at 100% though, Vulnerability has no Cap so it catches back up at high percents

[@ThinhNguyen-je8sg]

@@willyboi1105 bro if u have calculated the number, def shred is only better than vulnerability when stacked to 90-100%

[@chihaotran1568]

Well he seems pretty nice if your Ruanmei stuck in Break team Also he is insane in Acheron team so i would say E0 is a nice investment

[@stargazerS13]

what about s1? not good enough?

[@sr.bacon1365]

​@@stargazerS13 He's already better on Kafka's team because his dot gets stronger when Kafka anticipates

[@tdof7217]

Well, got robin if rm busy. Also don't feel like he really compliments Acheron

[@resyncing2311]

​@@tdof7217 As of now i'd say he still does cause imagine the amount of stacks you get per enemy turn not to mention if your acheron has 134 speed

[@Zephoz-214]

@@tdof7217 what you mean, he is by far the best Nihility to pair with acheron in the entire game.

[@xtiyan2250]

Since I'm a DoT and acheron enjoyer this is a win for me.

[@GreyAn1015]

If he's looking like this... I might aswell just grab Robin in her rerun. Works superbly with dot but also very universally good in any team. Honestly, not pulling her was one of my biggest regret.

[@ZuraJura]

Yeah. Im planning to get robin too since She can be use in FuA too

[@chocobro3198]

Been wanting a Foxian boy in forever so I am pulling no matter what.

[@hiuramybeloved]

Pls kindly make one for Acheron team (Jiaoqiu w Pela VS Jiaoqiu w SW)

[@ghotyolocanisyn2880]

Dot is fun in those events where you get to use trial characters. But i never liked it enough to pull for them. I opted for brute force and aoe-fua (jingliu, acheron, firefly, jing yuan).

[@Hotsauce9]

you should, by far the most consistent team i have, got the jingliu team i mean the good one and it just doesn't make it sometimes plus DOT has a buch of motherly figures

[@Kindi001]

my DoT team feels more like brute force honestly with Black Swan and Ruan Mei. i do have Jingyuan Sparkle and His Sig LC too, also Good set Duke. My Kafka Team still perform stupidly better than JY team. maaaaaannnn feels bad

[@anrypettit3112]

what brute force dude? you just pulled for the traditional crit base dps not pulling for dot doesnt make you special

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

@@anrypettit3112anry pettit, more like angry pettit, Jesus Christ calm down

[@jaredtew3302]

can we have an updated acheron jiaoqiu team plss tqqq

[@nat6lbg440]

Nothing changed except there are useless fire DoTs now

[@Thivesh_]

​​@@nat6lbg440 the first trace is now energy regen which isn't permanent. The old one was reduce the enemy effect hit rate by 30 % which helps you sustain better when U have adventurine in ur team . They really nerf our boy like shit .

[@khanhnguyentrung4060]

@@Thivesh_ Did you do any calculation for the 30% EHR down? With 50% from aven, if your char have 30% ER, your chance of hitting debuff from Lv95 monster with 100% base chance go from 27% to 21%. Does that make any different? Meanwhile, 15 energy let he can ult after his first skill in moc, and apply 4 stack for all enemy. That a huge buff.

[@genesis3mallari753]

​@@khanhnguyentrung4060I mean, you're also forgetting the fact that it is considered a separate debuff. could help Dr. Ratio as well also the possibility to run all broken keel and have nearly perfect immune while having +40 crit dmg is huge. too bad they made his multipliers so low now....

[@Thivesh_]

@@khanhnguyentrung4060 the chance of getting cc'ed is 5% for the old trace , you are right about getting ultimate on his first turn but they nerf jiaoqiu ultimate now . U gotta kill the first wave fast enough to save those stacks for the 2nd wave . He needs to skill , skill , basic + err rope to get ult back . If you are zero cycling, those nerfs don't matter. If you are taking a two cycle clear , U gotta think about his ultimate and sp management.

[@tieuparibbon2010]

I like his DoT but gonna get him for Acheron E0. Replacing RM on DoT team means losing that extra speed which is somewhat a pain to my ahh builds TvT

[@isaacsilva9048]

E melhor tentar pegar a acheron E1 ou E2

[@SUPERsourbum]

@@isaacsilva9048not really, having more flexibility for current and future teams instead of relying on acheron is better imo. It’s better not to put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to this game

[@ルリ-ruri]

it seems jiaoqiu roughly provide similar value to ruan mei at dot team....... correct me if im wrong

[@chihaotran1568]

Yeah he is pretty good subtitle for Ruanmei if she stuck in Break team/ Robin stuck in FuA team,..

[@alternative14]

In theory he is better if builded correctly

[@claudiowiseman8488]

​@@alternative14who said dis? He's worse than RM and slightly better than pela math wise

[@qqamericano6770]

In that clear Kafka with RM had a free ult+Skill in rotation over JQ. I mean technically yes, auto-battle ulted on her but that was a waste. Kafka-Boss would die from a DoTs she had even w/o Kafka's ult.

[@HeseliqMikav]

Just use gunaifen, she's slightly worse but at least she can save you from 90 to 180 pulls (and his LC on-top of that, yeah not worth it). Or just use Acheron in dot, literally the best team rn.

[@prettyandrich]

do you have this without e1 kafka and bs? just e0? both of their e1s help jq's personal damage out by a TON but it'd be nice to see just normal

[@tunometecabra5418]

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[@fyrefly6479]

I’d like to ask if Guinaifen E6S1(Jiaoqiu’s cone) is better than JiaoqiuE0S1 now that his lightcone is DOT based. Edit: Regardless of who’s right, I think the argument in the replies proves we need a comparison.

[@eldijdjbruh214]

Guinafen e6s1 ain’t close to jiaoqiu e0s0, he’s basically guinafen 5*

[@_NguyenQuangMinh-rv5lm]

No. Guinafen's debuff increase dmg taken by 28% in total, as for Jiaoqiu this number is 50% (if my memory is correct). Also Jiaoqiu's multiplier in the kit is much higher.

[@hjlm1886]

​@@_NguyenQuangMinh-rv5lm That's such a fucking big lie. Guinaifen has higher multipliers and at E6 she has 30 vulnerability while Jiaoqiu has 35.

[@hjlm1886]

Jiaoqui unless E2 is not a big upgrade over Guinaifen as his multipliers are lower and his vulnerability buff is only 5% more and Guinaifen with E6S1 (Jiaoqiu Lightcone) is better than E0 Jiaoqiu so spending one 5 star worth of pull for E6 Guinaifen is way more beneficial instead of going for 2 five stars worth of pulls for barley an upgrade over a 4 star character. His current kit is not really worth pulling for dot teams if you don't plan to whale on him. If you wanna replace Ruan Mei then save up for Robin

[@anhchanghangxom97]

Gui may has higher skill multipli, but her atk is way lower compare to him. And jiaoqi is way more easier to use than gui, cuz jiao only need to stack his passive once to get full vulnebility, while gui need to stack firekiss again if enemies die

[@dofubear]

ofc u can switch him gui, BUT REMEMBER HE IS ALSO GIVING A 40% DMG RECEIVED BY ENEMIES BOOST

[@crymoso3780]

Pretty sure this is at least an E1 Jiaoqiu showcase

[@The_CodFish69]

Cool but this isn’t what we wanted HoYo…

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

hoyo simply cant let us have a male support

[@stargazerS13]

yes and I don't know why ​@@literallyjiaoqiu

[@celrokproduction]

And we and hoyo don't care. He's better like this he work perfectly with dot AND acheron now the Acheron BS Kafka and Jiaoqiu dream Team is real

[@greengriffin3508]

What did you want then?

[@JustYourAverageInternetUser.]

​@@literallyjiaoqiujiaoqiu seems very male to me.

[@LumicchiStream]

Everyone : Finally we got best support for acheron HSR team : 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jotaroMidorima]

He is not the best support for acheron anymore? Why?

[@LumicchiStream]

@@jotaroMidorima everything change after beta version 3 when version 1 came out he become debuff character which good for acheron even dr ratio too now he become DoT character which good only for kafka

[@Ginko139]

misinformation spread successfully 🤡

[@LumicchiStream]

@@Ginko139 then tell me where is the misinformation?

[@voxploxx]

@LumicchiStream he still debuffs on enemy turn which was the number one reason he syngergizes with Acheron. His vulnerability and ult damage debuffs are still there too.

[@RaphaniacZX]

Sadly this is not good enough, and you might ask why, well if you just so happen to own Ruan and Robin Jiaqioou is borderline useless unless you are Acheron pilled and really want the best for her but from the dot angle he seems no better than robin or Ruan, so if you own both and considering robin serves a lot more purposes that's pretty sad

[@igorbezmozgy3326]

Now the real question is how do kafka & black swan manage to do such an insane amount of dmg lol. Im f2p and my kafka & BS are both e0s0, and it feels like in this vid their dmg is like. Double or triple the damage my team deals? Is it really just the e1s1 factor?

[@claudiowiseman8488]

Yup

[@igorbezmozgy3326]

@claudiowiseman8488 damn. And i thought dots were playable without this kind of investmeny...

[@anrypettit3112]

@@igorbezmozgy3326 dots are expensive af most people probably wont clear in time without the premiun teams

[@albertogonzalez907]

​@@igorbezmozgy3326I play dots E0S1 and it's totally playable, more eidolones of course means more dmg what would be the point of them otherwise? 😂 Anyway if u wanna do more damage just invest on relics 4k+ atk 150 sp+

[@igorbezmozgy3326]

@albertogonzalez907 ive already written that with RM i have actually reached a level that i do consider playable.

[@at9814]

Its kafka e1 and bs e1, it increase jiao dot too so... It kinda unfair for ruan mei if compare bc mei cant do the dot things like jiao right ?

[@OlexiVR]

Ruan Mei gives a huge damage bonus of which all the DoT characters benefit. Besides, she adds a little bit more of break damage, increasing the break DoTs, which Kafka also explodes, and she helps to break faster and fo longer. And when enemies are broken, they receive 10% more damage. As long as S1 Kafka and S1 BS are in both teams, it's not very relevant

[@aliffrahimi1414]

Guys wtf , kafka did 600k ult with Jiaoqiu, i gotta get him ❤❤❤

[@Ultrqviolencee]

New changes made him best in slot for DOT and for acheron teams, they literally just made him more versatile while keeping his supportive capabilities and people are still complaining

[@theghost1nthehouse969]

Could you try a guinaifen and jiaoqiu team next.

[@faturc3h]

i think hoyo doesn't really know what to do with this character lol. the background story of him being a healer with culinary skills has nothing to do with the hit gameplay lol, they didn't even add any form of heal or any form of pseudo sustain to his kit. talking about his kit, it was a hot mess and all over the place with no clear direction. If you want to make him acheron support, why make him do dot lol, and if you want to make him a dot unit, why bother giving him ultimate damage vulnerability. and hits trace, wth 15 energy? can't they think of any other traces that will help his kit? maybe follow up attack like kafka for faster stack ramp up? why not just slap those 15 energy into his technique. i was somewhat hype about him, but seeing his current v3 kit is really dissapointing. considering he was a limited character that need around 70 pull to get, he is no better than pela or guinaifen (which is free from the selector and you will get her con eventually) he just does not offer enough. may be you can do comparison for jiaoqiu and guinaifen. better stick with my e2 gepard with trend lol. With the current power creep speed i dont think he will be relevant for a long time, maybe people will forget about him as soon as the patch 2.5 drops lol. but on the bright side maybe sometimes we need a mid character. he needs a major buff and change to his kit to make him worth the jades, which i doubt hoyo will do. so yeah im skipping.

[@Thivesh_]

I agree , I have an e1s1 archeron, I would rather pull her E2 and slap my sparkle/bronya into the team .

[@MegaMaster215]

Sorry Archeron main for nothing getting what you want😂😂😂

[@albertogonzalez907]

Totally agree, when I heard hsr changed his kit to play with DOTs I got excited then I read his kit and I was like wtf is this sh.. So I came to a gameplay and I only confirmed what I thought, it's not worth for dots and it's not that good for Acheron neither but it's kinda obvious they wanted to design him as archeron's partner and just added dots for some reason.

[@Vadikus2424]

Heard that they nerfed all of the new units real hard. Any of you know what got nerfed? Especially Jiaoqiu cause i was planning to pull for him

[@jeans.406]

Jiaoqiu - Lower Talent Dmg - Lower Ashen Roast Dmg. Ashen Roast is now considered a DoT. It does not stack like Wind Shear or Arcana and will deal the same amt of damage with 1 or 5 stacks. - Removed -30% Effect Res Debuff Yunli - Weaker Intuit: Cull and Slash

[@hjlm1886]

@@Vadikus2424 they halved all his multipliers and added his Dot to base kit but it is very weak. They removed his Effect Res reduction debuff which made him worse for Dr. ratio teams as he lost one of his debuffs. It's a nerf for every team except Acheron

[@Vadikus2424]

So that means he's still a good pick for my Acheron team right? Cause I only have Welt and Pela

[@Vadikus2424]

@@jeans.406 oh WOW. They nerfed him so bad wtf

[@hjlm1886]

@@Vadikus2424 yes. His potential for Acheron was left untouched. His dot kit and every other kit was fucked but these changes do not matter for an Acheron team

[@Big_Tank01]

I’m kinda sad that he’s not that much better than E6 Guinaifen but he looks cool and is a chef like me so I’m pulling regardless

[@HazZzel-]

Give him his damage and healing back 💀 pls he's going to be useless on my account (I'm pulling regardless help me)

[@kitsune_kukanttv2574]

I wonder what a team of Archeron, BS, JQ, and sustain would look it…🧐

[@lerianmine1539]

I can’t decide… pull for E1 Black Swan or Jiaoqiu E0? What is better for DoT team rn? I already have Ruan Mei..

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

E1 Black. Jiaoqiu for now is not worth. His Vulnerability from the kit doesn't even buff to max the DoT team

[@literallyjiaoqiu]

jiaoqiu

[@rektarduno9153]

Maybe Jiaoqiu E0 Is better because he can be in DOT team instead of RM and we can use RM in other team.

[@Far-Reez]

Black swan E1 and then Jiao qiu signature is the best decision🎉❤

[@mroyyanalfatah3560]

pull robin if your rm is on FF team

[@stargazerS13]

i have E0S0 acheron, so ill be pulling him (don't like his design that much, he's screams four stars to me. What a shame hoyo)

[@yulianaqsa1093]

Ruan mei prob still no 1 for dot supp but im suprise jq actually not so far from what ruan mei provide either its good now i can use rm for Firefly

[@Sloth-tr7bd]

Eh... Idk, I think I'd rather wait for Robin re run for my DoT team than to grab Jiaoqi. I don't have Acheron or a dps that's dependant on burst(well... There's Argenti, but he prefers Tingyun and Sprinkle anyway), so yeah... Skip for me. Same for Yunlin, I got both Boothill and Argenti for phys dps. Unless Huohuo gets a re run, 2.4 is my first skip patch since the first Jingliu and Topaz banners. Kinda a shame I don't have a reason to grab him because man, his design is 👌👌But I need a unit that I'll actually use

[@hentikirby7142]

Yeah I might just skip everything for a while til the rerun of Jade or something from 2.2 reruns. My units are too op rn and I am just strolling through the game with too much ease to be pulling anything. My units are as followed E2s1 DHIL, e2s1 Acheron, e2s1 Firefly, e2s1 blade, e2s1 SW, e0s1 Luocha, e0s1 Aventurine, e0s1 HuoHuo (Definitely getting e1 on rerun), e0s0 Ruan Mei (might get e1 idk yet), e0s1 sparkle, e0s1 Jing Yuan, e0s0 Jingliu. E2s2 bronya (Idk if it even matters). Only person I might want is robin cuz I might pull Yunli now cuz its a cool kit that I like and I like playing Clara a lot, so it makes sense. I can clear pf to 75k no prob, moc 12 star in 2-3 cycle no prob, apocalyptic shadow is even easier. I'm just stuck on what units to even get next. Should ai go for follow up achetype or Dots next?

[@Anomipre]

Me watching this while using earphone and on max audio my brain cell right now:🫨🫨🫨

[@albertogonzalez907]

This was pretty disappointing, he's stuck between sup and dps, he's not as good a BS nor RM/Robin, I don't see a place for him in DoT as he may be on Acheron's comp 😢 I'll skip him

[@ciofurinone4225]

Seems nice. If possible, I'd like to ask for a comparassion between: Acheron, Jiaoqiu E0S0, Pela, Sustain and Acheron, Jiaoqiu E0S0, Black Swan, Sustain.

[@Ginko139]

swapping out Pela is a huge damage loss for Acheron

[@Taunt69]

Е1 kafka and BS btw anyway robin with hwehwe >>>

[@ToanNguyen-zb3ww]

Kafka 4k ATK and 157 SBD ??? My Kafka have 3k9 ATK and 145 SDB 😮

[@hoanginhloc5492]

Your is good enough though, the relic sets in test server are god tier always :))

[@psssh.8514]

this is done in a private server they can get completely unachievable builds in these servers

[@ToanNguyen-zb3ww]

@@hoanginhloc5492 whoa!!

[@seraphywang4638]

It doesnt seem that impossible. My bro’s Kafka is at 4k atk with 144speed. The lightcone increases that speed to 160

[@minhtienbui6691]

i love new Jiaoqiu. I have no Kafka but E2 black swan + sapo E6 + Jiaoqiu is a perfect dot team.

[@lumino9361]

I recomande you switching sampo with Guinaifen she can detonate black swan's and jiaoqiu's dots and she apply a good amount of vulnerability She's literally a Kafka for this team

[@minhtienbui6691]

@@lumino9361 She only at E3. i built her so i can try your idea

[@taru5156]

@@lumino9361 she only can detonate burn not wind shear lol

[@sakatagin.]

​sampo e5 can do trigger bs dot ​@@lumino9361

[@lumino9361]

​​@@taru5156 if the ennemi is afflicted with black swan's ult thing her dot is considered as bleed burn shock and wind shear and Guinaifen can detonate them "lol"

[@izzatisaffary6780]

How bad have he become??? Cuz i dont understand

[@irena4929]

All his multiplier got nerf in half exchange for his ashen roast now count as DOT His lc is also brick now its just a dot cone (was consider good for pela)

[@izzatisaffary6780]

@@irena4929 ohhh! So now it is like 5* gui?

[@irena4929]

@@izzatisaffary6780 yeah

[@Thivesh_]

​@@izzatisaffary6780 yeah and gui does better than him when gui is equipped with his sig lc .

[@izzatisaffary6780]

@@irena4929 awww I guess I won't be pulling for him

[@onesparkle1018]

They gutted jiaoqui to DOT teams T-T I thought he’ll be an all rounder support for any team now became a five star Guinaifen

[@m1aouzdt]

That's what I hate about him tbh 🥲

[@ミナミ-y3l5z]

ユニークさを感じない。固有の能力があるわけでも、数値が大きいわけでもない

[@odeliasolange2447]

Our first male support ending up a Trasheron and Elio's puppet slave. I hate it here

[@bottomfragger-kfpdogwater6804]

crazy how the nihility support is infact best in slot for nihility characters shocker i know.

[@JMike-bq6rl]

Me looking at Welt at 1.0

[@godlovesyou546]

I want my healer- Debuffer!

[@eieiplus]

Mei win

[@Ginko139]

those cringe ass husbando players can complain all they want, I'm getting this Acheron/Kafka dlc because the Queens deserved their manservant

[@copy-kunimitate-kun4799]

I hear he isn't much better from e6 pela tho? if at all

[@Ali8202-zh8tq]

@@copy-kunimitate-kun4799 e6 pela doesnt do anything different than e0 pela. Regardless, he's amazing for acheron team since he supercharges her ult very fast, especially in PF. He's a nice replacement for Ruan Mei in dot comps if she's stuck in a break/FuA comp. Outside of that, meh as usual.

[@Ginko139]

​@@copy-kunimitate-kun4799 dmg boosting wise, but his real value is from giving Acheron stacks more reliably than having Trend LC on your tank, also means better team survival since your tanks can use a proper defensive LC

[@copy-kunimitate-kun4799]

@@Ginko139 oh, mb. confused the E6 part from people saying E6 guinafen with his LC outperforms him

[@Zephoz-214]

@@copy-kunimitate-kun4799 in dot teams maybe? but in acheron team he is by far her best support.

[@TLOTSR]

Redo this but save sp by not using bs skill as much ty

[@owaisadam7718]

It's auto play

[@claudiowiseman8488]

​@@owaisadam7718stop it brain can't go that far of thinking

[@TLOTSR]

@@owaisadam7718 then don't do autoplay it plays like shit

[@irena4929]

Brickqiu lmao

[@sev559]

Dumass

[@MrJceOfficial]

ez skip

[@yoshaaa2536]

Why is this character so mid? Look at his face … from npc to a 5 star.. such a glow up

[@twistaaahh4787]

I will never get these "npc" accusations abt jiaoqiu. He's just wearing the artisan commission uniform like leave the man alone 😭😭

[@hausofluzon]

Even jing yuan have similar looking clothing, maybe it's part of their culture 🙄

[@Pepegaphone--]

​@@twistaaahh4787 this is what we get for being seasoned with bland ass npcs and playables with unreasonable outfits that they almost don't fit the world. They expect everything to pop out, look extravagant, otherworldly or some shit. Like the chars are not allowed to blend in the world they're supposed to be part of lmao.