Dropped my controller to the point where I hear something loose inside of the controller. I did have a bumper issue but fixed it by gently smashing it.
@alexphophi28933 жыл бұрын
Update: stick drift arrived. Sticks are loose.
@StEeF7-YT3 жыл бұрын
@@alexphophi2893 how long you have it for ?
@hypeninja47863 жыл бұрын
@@alexphophi2893 if the sticks are loose, that isn't stick drift
@jordanharnell50523 жыл бұрын
Wdym by gently smashing?? Explain how you fixed the bumper issue
@awallerfamily2 жыл бұрын
Warranty for these are the shit. Send it back. And accidental damage warranty isnworth it when. Bundle with the x
@ainsley58433 жыл бұрын
i just found out people have been having issues with xbox controllers, i have had a normal xbox one controller and it’s been working perfectly for more than 5 years
@DL_NWN3 жыл бұрын
I once bought the Pubg controller and it lasted like 6 months and the bumpers broke But still my controller from my xbox one s still works perfectly fine
@gamerdogehd10323 жыл бұрын
@@DL_NWN my left joystick got drift up and down in only a month and I took such good care of my controller
@gela77 Жыл бұрын
I have the version that was wireless, about 10 years or more! Working fine with just a small crack from falling, and he did it a lot! I only want to upgrade to a new one due to it being so old and I want something good and comfy :)
@shivster Жыл бұрын
@@gela77 yep, been almost 10 years for mine.. I want something that just isn't as old. this controller has served 🤣
@NayDeevo31 Жыл бұрын
The controller durability lottery is annoying. I've been blessed and cursed. Project Scorpio controller still going strong, outlasting multiple "normal" ones.
@matickills7893 жыл бұрын
It's crazy to see how many people(included me) have issues with the RB not working or eventually stop registering and even the rattling sound in the control as well. Luckily for me that's all my issues in the first one my second one has right stick drift very minor, pretty easy to control but both of them have the same small top of the rubber next the RB sticking out and not gonna lie it has me super paranoid
@GentleM-ou1qh2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@marshmalone34292 жыл бұрын
Lol I’m to the point with the RB that I’m about to solder a new switch in
@POLPO_WOOD2 жыл бұрын
Open the controller up, there is a plastic white piece between the switch en de RB button, get it out. put a tiny tiny piece of ducktape on it to make it a bit thicker so it registers the click better, put it back and it works all fine again. did it yesterday, fixed al my problems
@harry-cj6wu2 жыл бұрын
@@POLPO_WOOD don't open it if it's under warranty!!
@Cosmicblaster1172 жыл бұрын
its annoying especially when they don't give you a replacement thats why i didnt bought the halo one
@Aurik-Kal-Durin3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft should just make a variant of their standard wireless controller with the back paddle built. Seriously, that should become the standard for all controllers. I bought a Power A wired controller just so I could get those paddles to supplement the thumbstick buttons, since they are so awkward to use. Unfortunately, that controller broke after just 3 weeks of active use and I had to return it for a refund.
@austinbenoit14103 жыл бұрын
They make more selling the licenses to 3rd party developers
@Sora-en8ib3 жыл бұрын
i feel like they should make a back button attachment like sony did and the can use that port on the bottom next to the Auxiliary. So people can use the custom limited controllers they make or ones that people custom make in design labs. Also if the controller is having issues they can just buy a new controller or use a spare one they have and continue to use the back button attachment. Sadly they’re probably never gonna do that cause they want to focus sells on their elite and 3rd party controllers.
@SuperSimdawg3 жыл бұрын
$$$$$
@Eddie2P2 жыл бұрын
i agree they shouold at least have 2 paddle or something built in from now on.
@fabolousjada50702 жыл бұрын
Yup go look at the Xbox documentary that’s new they make everything in a rush and always have to back peddle on products same thing with windows Microsoft needs new leaders and strict ones
@kingquesadilla55633 жыл бұрын
My thing is the integrated battery, I wish I could have the option to switch batteries if they start to degrade
@kastrator20653 жыл бұрын
well you can...
@BubbleBlowingBanana3 жыл бұрын
im sure you could replace the battery with ease, it's not like defusing a bomb
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
@joey You can't. There's no compartment for the battery. The only way to access it is by literally ripping the entire controller apart and with how many rubber pieces covering seams and screws there are, it's a complicated and risky process.
@BubbleBlowingBanana3 жыл бұрын
@@jidenshaotoko Yeah that's what i meant bro, but i get what you're saying. You're going to have to spend an awful long time carefully taking parts out but being a mechanic i find it fun, but for many people it will be a tedious barrier for repair
@vitorfernandes6513 жыл бұрын
Gamers are so undecided. Everyone keeps complaining why Xbox still use AA batteries. We get a 40 hour interval and now people complain again.
@Supershackda3 жыл бұрын
Honestly surprised to read so many people have had so many issues with it. I bought mine second hand over a year ago and have had no problems with it at all, admittedly it's not been getting massively heavy use, but at the same time I haven't always treated it exactly...gently.
@JustAnotherAccount83 жыл бұрын
The first or second one?
@willbates84643 жыл бұрын
If you're talking about the first one I felt the same exact way. Had mine for over a year. Buuuut just two days ago the grips started coming off. No reason what so ever I picked it up off my desk and then felt something weird on the back and woopty due grips are coming off.
@Druskqq3 жыл бұрын
"admittedly it's not been getting massively heavy use" - Well, there you have it.
@zavianmedina10863 жыл бұрын
@@Druskqq he doesn’t treat it gently either soooo
@PlayBoiiM3 жыл бұрын
Just sent mines back in I barely used it it would let me connect it to my pc kept on disconnecting and only charges inside the case lol
@hiramjew15232 жыл бұрын
I had mine for about 1.5 years so far and I still love it. I did have an issue with left bumper either double actuating or not at all. In addition the right trigger became sticky since the foam pad inside came loose creating an adhesive spot for the trigger. I exchanged through Microsoft directly and the controller has worked so far ever since. I still use the controller for many games on Steam and the back paddles works wonders for shifting gears in Forza Horizon 4!
@artistmartin193 жыл бұрын
Had my series 2 for over a year and it still works just like i got it the first time.. It literally my favorite controller and I play competitive games..
@fwabble3 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill
@inawrocki2073 жыл бұрын
Sorry, you must not really play that often or that competitively. We have three Elite S2's (nephew, wife, and myself). After all three were replaced once, we made a 100% conscious effort to baby the crap out of these "premium" controllers, which is an absurd necessity with this price tag. The right bumper on all three started double clicking frequently, the A buttons were barely receptive because they wobble too much, and the sticky pad behind the trigger moved and caused sticky trigger on two - all this after 6 months. They're engineered to fail under normal circumstances. Light gamers just don't count.
@shanemarcum81162 жыл бұрын
Yeah these controllers will last as long as you treat it right, no button spamming or mashing no slamming or throwing etc, had mine over a year nothing is wrong with it
@kl282 жыл бұрын
This. Everyone else, user error.
@jidenshaotoko2 жыл бұрын
It'll be REAL funny when the controller of those who don't believe the material choice issues are real start to wear down. It might take 1 or 2 years - there's no set time for it to happen - but it will.
@NTrophy-2 жыл бұрын
After 2 years with an elite 2 i can say that stick drift is minimal and the battery is good as new even after thousands of hours of runtime, which is great, however, the paddle buttons and bumper buttons have extreme wear, i have to press hard down on the bottons to get them to activate, even when they click, nothing happens unless i forcefully press them down, this is disappointing since i had an elite 1 before this for over 4 years and never had this happen, i shouldnt have to buy a controller and worry about how many times i can press a button. Note: if you remap the stick buttons to the paddles, this can reduce wear on the sticks and significantly reduce stick drift. :)
@NickAZ3652 жыл бұрын
Any update?
@Andyusa112 жыл бұрын
I use the controller for Battle front 2, in a period of 8 months i replaced it 3 times, I use a lot RT and LT and LB and RB, and those buttons can’t handle much clicks, that’s is unfortunate.
@PolycrisisActor2 жыл бұрын
Getting my third Elite 2 under warranty. The first had severe stick drift, the second P1 didn't click like the other paddles. The Elite 1 just fell apart after 2 years. Still, a high quality controller is now an essential product for me, and I still like Microsoft's offering and am willing to endure this. I hope the huge losses they must be making won't deter them from making other hardware in the future.
@uhhTabby2 жыл бұрын
The ones under warranty are all garbage. The only fix is buying a new one till it breaks again.
@Logan-xw2cs Жыл бұрын
Both my back buttons p1 and p3 have just stopped working for no reason and the paddles rattle about build quality of this controller is absolute garbage
@HeartInLight3 жыл бұрын
I had an elite 2 for something like 2 days, the A button didnt register half the time. I returned it to best buy because of that. Just bought myself a PowerA Fusion pro 2, its far better out of the box and I feel like its gonna last longer. Even the analogs on the elite 2 didnt feel right out of the box. I think Microsoft needs to focus on durability if they're going to charge 180 bucks. As it is, its definitely not worth it when you can get the PowerA fusion pro/pro2 for less than half the money that thing costs. Edit** The powera controller is trash dont buy it. I Had 1 elite 2 i bought, the first one. The analog was broken out of the box, not even connected and forced to the side and just broke. Traded it in and got the one i mentioned before with the crap a button and returned it. Fast forward a year. I bought another from best buy, and bought the 60 dollar 2 year warranty for it. I used it for about 6 months for about 4-6 hour or so daily usually. And it was great. Put it in its case zipped up for 6 months, cause I started playing on pc. Pulled it out not long ago. The LB button double clicks, i tried the paper trick and everything, and nothing works. So im going to have to use the 60 dollar warranty for 6 months use on a 180 dollar controller. I will NOT be buying another 60 dollar 2 year warranty with the one I get. Simply for the following reason. Since feb 28th, I have put about 1700 hours in Lost Ark on an Xbox one controller that cost me like 50 bucks. Thats double or more the hours I put on the elite 2. So yeah, its great, when it works. But so far im 3 down, and none of them have been good. I would say stay far the f away from the elite 2. If you have to have paddles. Go with a razer, i hear they are far far more durable than scuf or elite controllers.
Жыл бұрын
i bought 3 different elite series 2 controllers all with different batch numbers, ALL of them had the A button not register half of the time, returned all of them. bought a SCUF controller instead and it has been working flawlessly for about a year so far.
@raddofzennla3 жыл бұрын
I have two series 1 elites. I’ve had the first one for about six years and the only issue I’ve had with it was after about three years the right bumper broke to where if I hold the controller with the bumpers facing down the outer end can pop out of the casing. That said it still works so I turned it into my PC controller since I play at a desk and can’t really hold the controller in a way that it will pop out. No other issues after six years, still works perfect. I’ve had the second one for three years and have had zero issues with it. Still looks brand new.
@adnanasghar10873 жыл бұрын
You're just lucky or very careful with your controllers
@LouSassol69er3 жыл бұрын
Lucky I was so careful with my Elite 1s, but the grips came off, the bearing in the sticks collapsed and the RB buttons snapped leaving it loose on the switch. Happened to both, with me not overworking either. Terrible build quality. My Elite 2, same deal, been so careful with it but now the RB has lost its responsiveness. Needs to be pressed so hard to register. The class action lawsuit against Microsoft for this is no joke.
@Exlipse7033 жыл бұрын
@@LouSassol69er my elite 1 still works but my elite 2, after 7 months all buttons except triggers, bumpers and analog sticks became unresponsive and the analogs are weirdly going up and down by itself. Which is why I switched to Razer Wolverine. Way better build quality.
@delta-a172 жыл бұрын
My right bumper broke as well. The replacement was a total piece of cake though.
@joezazasin73 жыл бұрын
The one thing they don't focus on is the most used double movement, Left analog stick forward, L3. Every game is based on the L3 forward "running" mechanic. There's where most controllers break.
@Eddie2P2 жыл бұрын
bind L3 to a paddle
@billjamal47642 жыл бұрын
@@Eddie2P F that, for a almost $200 controller, it should just work.
@PrizmSeeR2 жыл бұрын
I put it to the bottom left paddle and it works great. Simpler. It's dumb to make you press same button and then shift forward to move. I know y'all are used to it but my carpal tunnel never acts up anymore when I play a lot so it's a win for me. Try it.
@rufusconnolly8489 Жыл бұрын
@ISitOn MyArm apparently they do
@Adamsfamily19903 жыл бұрын
To be honest I still use the basic controller that was in the package with the One x 3 years ago and it still work.Sometimes the A button needs double press,but that is the only problem.To be honest I wouldn't buy a controller for 150 dollar.
@jbtripleog5223 жыл бұрын
You don't have paddles on those, And you kind of need em to go against PC players
@jbtripleog5223 жыл бұрын
If you're not a sweat on Warzone you don't have to worry about all that
@blaze5569222 жыл бұрын
I know it seems pricey but it really is a game changer. Pun intended lol having the ability to use the back paddles makes gameplay so much smoother. If you game for even 15 to 20 hours a week then you definitely should get it.
@oaschbeidl3 жыл бұрын
I decided to treat myself to something fancy after my XBOne controller developed a stick drift after ~1.5-2 years of ~1-2h use a day. Bought the Elite v2 and it got in today - lo and behold, both the A and the Y button often don't register and on top of that it doesn't charge via the dock. Absolutely unacceptable for such an expensive piece of hardware. I'm sending it back and giving it one more chance, if the next one I receive has issues aswell, I'll refund it and buy another controller. Apart from those glaring issues I was also very negatively surprised to find out that the paddles can only be mapped to buttons that already exist on the controller officially which makes them useless imo. Thankfully I've found a 3rd party tool that lets you map them to keyboard keys aswell. Could still be an issue with games that don't support using gamepad + keyboard at the same time, but for Rocket League it works.
@netbirth2 жыл бұрын
So, how’d the new controller go
@badgaem2 жыл бұрын
complaining about the paddles not being able to be bound to keyboard keys is such a pc thing to bitch about
@retroraygun58723 жыл бұрын
I’ve had mine for a year now and everything was fine until yesterday when my rb just started with the double press/ doesn’t register issue. I guess on the bright side my A button never got stuck lol
@CinderAshe3 жыл бұрын
Exact same issue for me. RB became unresponsive.
@makogiron2 жыл бұрын
I own both. I bought the original controller day one. My controller still fully works and is clean. Although I completely changed the housing on the whole controller. It made it feel brand new and much better. The original handles came off and the front became sticky as well. My series 2 controller is very solid and the analog stick tension is highly appreciated.
@noodle95722 жыл бұрын
Where did you buy the housing from? I need to do that with mine but could not find one on amazon etc. I have taken it apart a few times due to bumper buttons not working and now it does not close properly.
@blaze5569222 жыл бұрын
We definitely wanted them to have a battery but it should be a swappable type.
@ptpracing3 жыл бұрын
Ive bought 2 of these and returned both of them. Within the first 30 days both of them were missing A button presses. I waited nearly a year between buying #1 and #2 to see if they would fix the issues but they didnt. I use a Razer Wolverine Tournament now and love its clicky mouse style buttons.
@leonydus98893 жыл бұрын
does the razer tourney edition have a deadzone on the sticks as badly as the stock xbox controllers have
@mitchfs17392 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved the clicky mouse buttons on the razer wolverine. Should make that standard for all controllers! Feels so much smoother en faster.
@Matty-Z2 жыл бұрын
Got to clean your stuff before you show us closeups. I can't watch, but at least when listening, your commentary is great.
@abelcazares28673 жыл бұрын
I have bought a protective case for it and suprisingly it has improved the durability although you wont be able to feel the natural
@bigbear3072 жыл бұрын
As an owner of the xbox elite controller 1 I was quite surprised to hear about durability issues with it. I’ve had no issues with anything wearing out but Im prob not a heavy user like you. If anything what I really like about the controller is the truly premium feel it has of something that is well made, it sure doesnt feel like something thats gonna wear out and ive used it quite a bit but I dont know how you play games and what constitues ’heavy use’ but I would bet for any normal use of tve controller it will be perfectlt fine. For normal users, casusl play, and for peiple who just want a premium feel device, they will be more than happy with it. My only gripe with it was the lack of bluetooth which I stupidly took for granted and after having shelled out quite a high sum for it Ms shortly after released the xCloud beta which I got accepted to after having waited forever, only to then be informed that it would only work with the new type of gaming controllers that had bluetooth. Oh silly me for getting that. They have had wireless controllers forever and made a killing on the elite controller and just now realised they actually wanted to use bluetooth and it would be required for the new service. I was slightly bummed out about that. I still think though that ghe elite controller 1 is one of the finest most premium controllers one can own and will not wear out if youre a normal user. Ive tried both v1 and v2 and IMO the v2 is not a step up in terms of premium finnish and overall quality feel.
@jerbe4r2702 жыл бұрын
After a year, going through warranty, then having it break again, I have decided to do a home repair on the bumpers. I tried using the paddles as bumpers but it just doesn’t fit my play style. Hope this works!
@Propya2 жыл бұрын
My only problem along with many others are unresponsive AXYB buttons. You either have to hit it harder than usual or hit directly in the middle every time. I usually hits my buttons softer than what is required now. I wouldnt recommended this controller until that problem is fixed
@driverdis34882 жыл бұрын
I had to disassemble and fix my Halo Infinite Elite controller due to this problem. It bugged me a lot and depending on how I pressed A I would miss around 80% of button presses. It is much better now that I fixed it. I also had to exchange a white Series controller as both A and Y had this issue brand new out of the box.
@housestomping2 жыл бұрын
Just had this issue with my second replacement .kept missing my shots on fifa . On to my third bad .....
@trekbsg3 жыл бұрын
I don't see myself buying a series 2 controller anytime soon, I purchased the series 1 at launch and thoroughly enjoyed it for the first year or so but not long after I started having the grip pad problems that so many have had, I then started having problems with stick drift on both sticks and now the left stick sometimes doesn't respond to input until it's slammed hard to the up position, as you said for a "premium product" the durability leaves much to be desired and really put a bad taste in my mouth and makes me doubt the quality of their premium products.
@CRUMB.3 жыл бұрын
4th xbox elite 2 is now broken , all with LB issues , air roll on rocket league is its worst nightmare
@dwanrobinson3 жыл бұрын
I have had both and I've only minor things happen. When I had the scuff vantage it sat for almost a year before I figure out how to fix the drift on my own. Alot of parts come off assembly lines. Sometimes workers may forget to oil parts. So you end up with stick drift. Take the controller apart and oil the housing to the sticks. Problem solved. You're welcome.
@leonydus98893 жыл бұрын
"oil the housing of the stick" i have no idea what that means
@monst3rz3542 жыл бұрын
Elite Series 2 Controller 1- LB Stopped working. Elite Series 2 Controller 2- RB Stopped working. Elite Series 2 Controller 3- RB stopped working. Current Elite Series 2 Controller 4- RB stopped working and stick drift
@Aliothale2 жыл бұрын
Been watching a few videos on this controller because I wanted to try a nice Xbox controller.. but after hearing how many issues it had I'm just going to replace my DualShock 4 with PS5 controller. My PS4 controller is only starting to show issues after 8 years of use and I've put maybe 2-3k gaming hours on it.
@kelb893 жыл бұрын
Don't waste your money. I sent three back for repairs to Microsoft in under a year.
@MetalVII3 жыл бұрын
I can wait to receive my Halo edition :) first ever elite controller. Hopefully they’ve fixed the problems.
@shaggyrogers9028 Жыл бұрын
What I think might also be happening with this one is there's just a lot of components, a lot pf electronics that might break, or might be faulty, so the chances that something on your controller is going to fail is much higher. However, one thing that's inexcusable is the fact that Gulikit's electromagnetic sticks exist, and they're not using them yet. Everyone is still using these terrible analog sticks with potentiometers that mess up so easily...
@No-ki8mf3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft needs to learn how to make this controller durable as powerA fusion controller 😔 I’ve had a elite series last a month and the powerA has been having no drift no bumper issues for almost a year 😂
@paddifn3 жыл бұрын
The fusion is probably the worst Controller ever, I have it and it is so shit even if everything works, you are a casual gamer I guess....
@michaelangelocrazy013 жыл бұрын
My powerA only lasted a few months
@daprotech3 жыл бұрын
@@paddifn What's the next best thing? I have Series 2 and always have issues.
@beyonder66613 жыл бұрын
@TeaWoah make sure you get the extended warranty from Microsoft. $20 USD for 3 years with accidental damage.
@LouSassol69er3 жыл бұрын
They won't ever learn the Elite series 3 will be a broken pos with bumper issues 6 months in and maybe other issues non existing on the elite 2.
@jer1co7253 жыл бұрын
I sent mine to the extended warranty at 8 months, now 6 months later the “new one” is defective again, called to see what they could help me with and want me to pay $100 for a replacement, omg
@goodvibes76143 жыл бұрын
I just want a controller for pc, let me know if you find a better controller.
@jeffmuller14893 жыл бұрын
This is what I'm afraid of too
@LouSassol69er3 жыл бұрын
It's such a bad controller. It's unbelievable. Should be half price for the poor build quality.
@dwanrobinson3 жыл бұрын
I have never had an issue other than the average disconnect scramble crap that happens once ever blue moon. Since having the series x I haven't had an issue at all.
@fupahunter79453 жыл бұрын
Yea that's the only issue I have too. Otherwise it works amazing.
@inawrocki2073 жыл бұрын
Yep. I can attest that the disconnect issue is the Xbox receiver, not the controller. I've had a Series X with an Arctic 9x headset and elite S2 function perfect 24/7. The wife was using an older Xbox with the same - constant headset disconnects. Since she got her Series X, both of our controller and headsets never disconnect.
@Kurppalumppu3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, you mentioned that the "plug&play" batteries suck but I've been using that kind of battery for a few years now. Lasts for I dunno.. at least 10-20 hours minimum. It's difficult to tell since PC doesn't tell how much charge there is exactly. Maybe I have just been lucky. My current controller works well and has for many years but I've just been researching whether it's worth buying the elite controller since the paddles would be nice for many games. The same two things came up everywhere: sticky A button and RB inconsistency. That's really bad since RB is used for attacking in dark souls and it's the game I play most on controller. I don't think I'm willing to gamble on the elite controller unless I find it heavily discounted somewhere. Thanks for the video
@EmergencyChannel2 жыл бұрын
No competitive gamer would use a wireless controller. I use a wire and have my USB poll rate on 1000khz/1ms. Wireless is fine for single player games though.
@rayrayy8412 жыл бұрын
I got my play and charge at launch for Xbox One. I'm still using it now and have zero issues
@julianmendez46912 жыл бұрын
Ahhh have you tried pressing win g when u have the controller plugger in its shows the battery charge
@julianmendez46912 жыл бұрын
@@EmergencyChannel actually won't make any differences between a wireless and wired only like 1-2 milli second difference a human brain wouldn't notice that at all
@jonathanberry37832 жыл бұрын
Stick drift is a real problem. Went through 3 before I gave up. Severe drift right outta the box.
@paperchaserttv87542 жыл бұрын
Did u try tighting the sticks?
@Klootvioolkut3 жыл бұрын
The original xbox battery packs were amazing. For the 360 and the one. I’ve used the same pack from xbox one release till elite controller 2 came out. And it still worked perfect.
@Tyberius12 жыл бұрын
I bought mine pretty much right when it came out. It's help up really well for the most part, however recently I've had issues out of my left bumper, and both of my rubber trigger lock pieces fell off a long time ago, definitely something microsoft needs to fix. Battery is still excellent.
@OrdenRahmen3 жыл бұрын
I got my second series 2 controller now and got the same issue like I got on the first one. The right bumper RB isn’t recognizing anymore or just on a hard push.
@mrpxlinz72883 жыл бұрын
Same my is under warranty so im gonna do a claim
@DonFred_PT3 жыл бұрын
How long u using it?
@matickills7893 жыл бұрын
My first one did that a year after use, and my second seems to be heading that direction too. While it still works the pressure I have to put on the left one is noticeably less when I test the buttons in the Xbox accessories
@ilikebreadok.97953 жыл бұрын
At that point fix it yourself or take it to a repair shop if you fix it yourself it would be like 20$ because you need gear
@ilikebreadok.97953 жыл бұрын
But if you take it to repair it can go from 100-200 aud so still cheaper
@mr.getrighhttt34333 жыл бұрын
My first one had issues after a few months. Trigger stop broke after 8-9 months of use. Buttons double press all the time, had crazy stick drift after a few months, and the bumpers don’t always work. This all before a year. So I bought a new one, and the RB bumper stopped working within 3 weeks. I am now waiting for my Scuff Instinct Pro to arrive because I am fed up with Microsoft. This experience has shown me that’s it’s way better to just learn to play claw, then use paddles when competitive gaming.
@kamael11252 жыл бұрын
I love how this controller feels in my hands. Amazing stuff. But the quality control...Jesus...you can see straight away that this is the same company that made Windows Vista. I bought this controller 3 weeks ago. A button is not registering light presses. or sometimes registers 2 at the price of singe press. Went back to the shop, got replacement. Same issue. I will be going back to the shop tomorrow. At this stage...I am thorn if I should try 3rd replacement or get something else...
@R_Rodas_2 жыл бұрын
I had mine for three days and the A button registered 3 out of 10 times at most. I really liked it when I opened the box and started using it but then my dreams got crushed.
@joshuasavoy7443 Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened with mine. Sad.
@skorne76822 жыл бұрын
I had an Xbox One controller which developed a double tapping dpad after 1 year, I bought an Elite 1 and the X button literally completely died after 6 months of light use - so much for premium quality. These things are really fiddly to repair too. I was tempted by a Series X Carbon after that but I just don't trust MS controller reliability anymore. Instead I'm getting an 8BitDo Pro 2 since it has good reviews and programming software, plus it's cheaper than MS offerings.
@Cosmic-Wanderer Жыл бұрын
Ive ordered one should be here next week. Hope i touch lucky with a good one 🤞🏻
@teddym28082 жыл бұрын
I finally splashed out and got one 3 days ago, brand new, and was faulty out of the box. Vibration was just manually going off like crazy even with no game loaded, just moving the controller/my hands and pressing nothing LOL. It was the right trigger vibration, was totally broken, and didn't respond with the software tool at all like the left trigger did, yet was going off on its own particularly when the trigger locks were closed.. I sent back to Amazon and so far the replacement seems OK. Still, for 250 Australian Dollars, you have to wonder about Microsoft quality control. That said, it's the most comfortable controller I have ever used in my life. I have large hands, not huge but large, and I have arthritis and RSI at age 50, and I can play for hours with this controller.. It's heavy yes but it's comfortable and your hands don't slip. I played for about 3 hours last night and really enjoyed it. If only it had a turbo button, as I still love my retro emulation and for the very old games my hands just aren't healthy enough to manually hit a fire button over and over for an hour anymore. If it had a turbo button I'd never need any other controller, but I got an SN30 Pro 2 for that exact purpose. Sadly, I find the Pro 2 quite uncomfortable to hold and use, especially the d-pad which causes my left hand a lot of pain. If anyone knows of a quality PC controller in the xbox style layout, with turbo, do let me know so I can try it out.
@TheDeadpooldoesGames Жыл бұрын
I’m very surprised y’all are having so many issues, I’ve had my elite controller for about 3 years, I put some controller freaks on the analog sticks, and I have the cheaper one, it’s done me well so far
@2010ngojo2 жыл бұрын
When the battery lasts longer than the controller itself.
@christinapowley9012 Жыл бұрын
Do true
@imjusttrollingyou40142 жыл бұрын
My Elite 1 is still going solid, my E2 had to go in twice but has been great since, battery life is a huge accomplishment, wish everybody else better luck.
@McFlyOrPie3 жыл бұрын
I was about to buy one of these, until I bought an 8BitDo Pro 2 for my switch, so I'd have analog triggers. I now have one for my Switch and laptop and one at my desktop in my office. I am so lucky I found it, cuz its the perfect controller for me. Its only $50 and it doesn't constantly disconnect from the Bluetooth on my Pcs. Unlike my Series X controllers...... I love the triggers on the Pro 2.
@LeiChat2 жыл бұрын
The exterior is an enormous improvement on the first generation Elite but this week I have become one of many suffering a failing RB switch. I wonder how many of us play Gears, hammering that RB for the active reloads?
@cowboyjosh2 жыл бұрын
It's even worse with Sekiro. Or any game with a Souls controller layout, but especially Sekiro haha
@brandonwolf6773 Жыл бұрын
Gears, for honor light spam, dying light jump button. Rb is abused
@EuroShoppHere3 жыл бұрын
I bought just new Elite 2 and 7 of 10 all the X, B, A & Y buttons are often missclicks, like 7 of 10. I return the controller to the shop and buy DualShock 4 again :D
@travisanderson1562 Жыл бұрын
I have a pre-release one that I won in the Taco Bell giveaway in 2019. It's had some issues, but not with the rubber grips. The rubber nubbins on the trigger stop switches have come off, and I have a stiff paddle button, (good thing I don't use them), I had a bumper and a trigger break, and the rubber grips on the sticks are severely worn down. I made all of the repairs myself with parts from eXtremerate, and it cost me about $30. I even customized it with a new faceplate.
@otaviogomes54563 жыл бұрын
Cara, matei no primeiro minuto de video que você era brasileiro pelo sotaque kkk. Parabéns pelo vídeo! Muito bom! E excelente inglês!
@matmat4603 жыл бұрын
Oshi, n reparei nd kkkkkkkkk
@LAngel20143 жыл бұрын
Honestly the Series two will probably outlast its durability and effectiveness more that 6x longer than a Scuf controller. I’ve been looking for a wireless paddled controller that lasts longer than my current one (Fusion Powera $80). Mines still going strong after almost a whole year owning it. But i want a WIRELESS controller I can connect to my gaming PC since I am not eye-hand coordinated for Mouse and Keyboard. I believe this controller may last me longer than fusion, Scuf and add on paddles.
@ancorey253 жыл бұрын
You would be wrong. I've had two series 2 elite controllers and both had ridiculous stick drift after a couple of months of light use and on one I didn't even notice that the top paddles on the back didn't even work because they where two short to trigger the internal switch , hard to explain but when you squeeze them you don't get that click no matter how soft or hard you pull, odd issue as my series 1 elite paddles work on the series 2 elite. Long story short: the best feeling controller I have ever had. Seriously instant gratification upon picking it up. Battery actually does last an extremely long time, I Seriously believe you could run it for 24hour straight. Great charging pad/Case. BUT you are statistically very very likely to have to replace it within the year so even with Microsoft (after much customer demand) increased the warranty to a full year from 30 days you still have to ship it to them just to get a different refurbished replacement a week later. If you buy it goto bestbuy and for once buy their custom extended warranty which will give you a new replacement right at the store off the shelf.
@inawrocki2073 жыл бұрын
@@ancorey25 You're right on all counts. The Elite 2 simply has the best features of every single controller on the market. I am not going to compromise after owning it. I can't give up triple trigger stops, charging case is perfect, stick tension adjustment, and amazing paddles. Scuf's newest (Instinct Pro) costs more, doesn't have any of these features, and feels like trash. Scuf's paddles have always been shaped retarded and are just plain difficult to use compared to Elite. Your only option is to use an Elite 2 for these awesome features, and learn to pull it apart to upgrade the failure points yourself. I've now replaced the tiny foam trigger stops with permanent glue (perfect now); improved the face button drift/contact with teflon material (still need some adjustment, but better); and replaced the failing bumper tactile switches following a great YT guide (perfect bumpers again). Honestly, the controller is now perfect. I'm tempted to buy a Razer Wolverine to see if the mechanical face buttons can be retrofitted into the Elite!
@mikep15843 жыл бұрын
@@inawrocki207 my bumpers failed on mine do you mind linking the video you used to fix yours? Thanks
@ethansmith46122 жыл бұрын
I have had the EXACT same bumper issue on 2 controllers now, playing games that utilize clicking the bumpers drives me crazy.
@edwinvazquez83253 жыл бұрын
Bro the dpad is amazing I abuse it to spam what a save in rocket league
@TheRandomASDF2 жыл бұрын
I am looking for a new xbox controller for my pc. Not that my old xbox 360 controller of 10 years or more is failing, but I want a wireless one. Looking at this video just makes me sad. The quality is just bad 😅 guess I will stick to my 360 a while longer.
@ParZIVal19D2 жыл бұрын
People should clean there equipment. I know the original had issues. But I’ve had mine for 6 months now of daily play 4 hours or more and working great. Clean your stuff people. Yes I know there were quality control issues. But I’ve seen some people fix their issues with buttons by simply doing proper cleaning and maintenance.🤷🏼♂️
@jidenshaotoko2 жыл бұрын
6 months... give it time.
@ParZIVal19D2 жыл бұрын
@@jidenshaotoko I will save this one. When it starts to have issues I will post it.😂 I made sure to get one from a new lot. That’s was supposed to be the updated run. So we shall see.
@f44had2 жыл бұрын
@@ParZIVal19D What do you mean by 'new lot'? As in, is there an official confirmation of new updated better built batch? If so how can someone know if they have a newer model vs old? Has Microsoft officially confirmed to say they have made changes to improve production?
@jidenshaotoko2 жыл бұрын
@FHD There's no new lot.
@8bitflea2 жыл бұрын
The A button seems to have the same issue for everyone, love the controller I just wish it didn’t have any issues
@gabecollins55852 жыл бұрын
They need to fix all of these durability issues somehow I mean it’s just not fair that it breaks so quickly when it’s such a costly controller it should last like at least 2 or 3 years surely a multi billion dollar company can do that.
@whitestreamz2 жыл бұрын
To be honest... they probably do it on purpose in the hopes you keep rebuying. The crap warranty seems to tell you how long they expect them to last
@sjftech3 жыл бұрын
I must be really lucky since my play and charge kits are still going strong for over 6 years now.
@TheRandomGuyEpicness3 жыл бұрын
Bought a usb c play and charge kit for my series x controller in January, it already doesn’t charge and doesn’t work (September 2021) won’t be making that mistake again.
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
@Sean My experience exactly. It's funny cause the comments can go either way. If I say "The controller works great, no issues", I'll get 100 comments calling me out " Wow, you're so stupid! I've had all of these issues so your review is a lie!". If I say "This thing here doesn't work", I'll get another 100 comments like "Don't know what the hell you're talking about. Mine works flawlessly, so you probably just don't take good care of it".
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
Nope.
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
I've used enough of these since the 360 era to know the quality on these is spotty.
@Legacy6903 жыл бұрын
Mine still works since day 1 2013. Haven't had any problems with it
@runcible47552 жыл бұрын
Sorry to see that the issues I had with the original Elite (rubber grips peeling off, stick drift, etc) haven't really been addressed in the Series 2. Hard pass.
@RIFADOR001 Жыл бұрын
I have a battery kit since I got my xbox one. It still works. I had periods of playing for hours and hours every day, and periods of months or even a year without using the controller (because college and stuff). It still works for at least a whole day of playing. For me, it is not reasonable to complain about the xbox batteries.
@jidenshaotoko Жыл бұрын
Sure, but my video isn't based on your experience.
@nates.64643 жыл бұрын
I had a Gen 1 that lasted about 8 months. Grips fell off and right bumper stopped working. Nice controller while it worked. I’m to scared to buy a Gen 2. Glad to see I’m not the only one.
@simonpike7792 жыл бұрын
I have the white series 1 elite and with all the rubber grip issues in mind i got one of those silicone covers for it and so far its as good as new and I dont let my son anywhere near it!
@LouSassol69er3 жыл бұрын
The RB is such a pile crap on this controller. Mines pretty much unresponsive and not in warranty anymore. I've gone from being so careful with it, zipping it up in the case every night and cleaning it to just yeeting it into the wall for screwing me over so many times. Don't know whether to get a new one with extended warranty either as I feel the Series 3 will be announced next year.
@CragScrambler2 жыл бұрын
Xbox series x owner since launch, basic controller is still going good, the elite2 version had issues out of the box (didn't hold a charge) got a replacement, lasted 2 months then got stick drift, got another replacement, after 3 month the l2 bumper stopped working and the right rubber grip was coming away, got onto Microsoft asked for a refund under UK not fit for purpose laws, I got full refund, still on basic controller with 6-7 months use and is still fine no issues......a controller you can buy 3 of for the same price of an elite 2. :shrug:
@xFuRR2 жыл бұрын
had it for a few days and noticed the A button wouldn't work unless you hardpressed on it. Returned it right away and went back to the normal controllers :/
@Senorgrav2 жыл бұрын
Y’all must abuse your controllers when y’all taking those Ls in warzone..I’ve Have had it since the elite 2 even came out and have no zero issues. I wipe it down and clean in every now and again. Still feels just as new. Best controller hands down
@yeldarb18802 жыл бұрын
Never dropped my controller nevermind abuse it. Both bumpers have become inconsistent as well as the left trigger. Shouldn't have to gamble and hope a product will b durable and withstand high usage rates when it's near the cost of a console
@kiethpederson75582 жыл бұрын
The new one has a rubber material. It doesn’t get sticky. I wish it was because it’s the most slick controller I’ve used.
@JosefStrom6663 жыл бұрын
My Elite2 broke after 12,5 months - stick spring and a bumper stoped working - best to make a insurance - i got my 170 bucks back to buy a new one...
@izzyplays52483 жыл бұрын
In case nobody knew, but the charger in the case is almost useless. You can just put the plug in your controller and it will charge WHILST playing games. Even when the Xbox is off, it still charges.
@xXxGUZxXx3 жыл бұрын
I had bought one controller returned it for a replacement because the a button only work 75% of the time also double pressing. Got a 2 replacements so 3 controllers altogether so I sent it back for a refund. I wish they would get their shit together it has so much potential.
@Bored2deathofgames3 жыл бұрын
yea I've gone through many so I've bought a mouse and keyboard in done with expensive controllers plus my aim with the mouse is impeccable
@nikkifawkes67762 жыл бұрын
seriously, the design and handling of this thing is pretty nice, bluetooth connectivity is flawlessly implemented in Windows and thats it. I would not buy one of these again though, I'm a professional with IT and electronics and the parts and designs used in this controller are just so incredibly flawed. With this controller you'll be in desperate need of buying a new one every 1-2 years while any of your Playstation Controllers is still rocking it without any major problems. It is designed in a way that opening it to replace parts or doing a deep clean wich it definietely requires every year is made really hard, the battery might hold up some 2-4 years and thats maybe more than plenty for a device that starts breaking down after less than a year. Still, this thing as nice as it could be, is quick waste! the repairability is really bad and due to design flaws on the electronics and interior design you will experience most problems again just months after sending it into repair. every xbox controller in my peergroup comes back to me for fixing every year and none of them gets older than 3 years maximum. Especially the pro controllers are harder to fix than the normal ones but they have the same flaws, for a device that costs such an immense amount of money I'd expect at the very least 5 years of flawless operation before the first button needs replacement. This thing is nice from the outside, but on the inside its pretty broken.
@edwardr8226 Жыл бұрын
My elite v1 was going strong for almost 5 years, but the stick drift, the rubber on the sticks having come off and some button presses not registering it has finally made it unusable. Really want to replace it but the mixed reviews of the v2 have me hesitant
@calvinsallee9 ай бұрын
2024 here. Bought one 2 months ago. Instantly had xonnection loss issues. Thought it was my 10 year old Xbox that the sync button didn't even work on anymore. Upgraded to a series x still had the issue & the other night it just completely stopped working. Could manually turn off the Xbox & turn on the console with tye controller. But none of the other buttons would get any response on the console and it acted like it wasn't actually connected. Went and replaced it and got another one which so far works flawlessly. But I'm nervous bout the way it'll work long term so I bought a gmsir g7 se for back up
@CodeLeeCarter Жыл бұрын
I hope the Bumpers have been redesigned, the ones on the Elite v1 kept breaking and I had to keep buying new bumpers for it.
@michaelrivera4299 Жыл бұрын
I love the grip and the metal triggers on top
@LakotaDrummer6663 жыл бұрын
Had mine for almost a year but my left analog stick started to drift. I was sad...
@GBM69883 жыл бұрын
the analog stick drift I only ever notice it on PC and I finally got a controller that actually doesn't drift even 360 controllers I had issues with stick drift from day one.
@f16airforce3 жыл бұрын
@@GBM6988 Mines so bad I cant actually strafe in FPS games because it thinks its still going forward
@monkedonk43213 жыл бұрын
@@f16airforce try blowing in the stick
@mikedergalev3 жыл бұрын
Very strange, because my elite V1 lasted for 5 years!👏 And sticks are still better than V2 even after 5years of everyday use. Sticks on V2 are a shame.
@thekaption97482 жыл бұрын
My v1 just broke last night after 5 years of heavy usage almost daily. I did have insane stick drift though and had to play on a really heavy dead zone
@Bountyhunter1082 жыл бұрын
@@thekaption9748 I bet you could fix it.
@takohma10563 жыл бұрын
Had mine for over a year and it still works like new. I want to get another one but I’m waiting for a series 3. I don’t understand how people have problems with theirs. I wonder if they aren’t cleaning their hands after they eat, or being a little too aggressive with them.
@757JustinSane Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the bumpers. I had to replace the bumpers almost ten times before I quit using it.
@jidenshaotoko Жыл бұрын
I actually did :)
@KID_CHAMELEON Жыл бұрын
I'm 100% convinced that every single one of these "elite" controllers has an inherently flawed thumbstick. If you go into the Xbox accessories app, under the configure section and select a profile where you can adjust the controller settings, you can test it where you adjust the thumbsticks. When you're not touching the thumbstick, it should rest right in the middle of the circle. If you pull in either direction ask the way and let it snap back and it will center, BUT if you only slightly move the thumbstick in a direction and feather it, it will stick right off center causing stick drift. It is so sensitive that even a shake of the controller will cause it to "snap" back into the center position. The problem is that while you are aiming, you aren't always pulling the stick all the way in a specific direction. You are feathering the thumbstick in order to get precise control. If you happen to pull your finger off the stick, it will get stuck in the spot, even though the stick looks as if it centered, the potentiometer is engaged. I notice this the most while pulling up the map in DMZ. The cursor will just start moving on its own and I have up move it around to regain control. I've returned 4 Core models and another 3 regular Elite Series 2 that ALL had this issue. Its the first thing I did when I got home from the store was test this in the accessories app and each and every one had the same behavior. Considering this was the case with 7 of these controllers out of the box, I am going to go out on a limb and say this is most likely the case for every single unit they've sold. Oddly enough I have never experienced this with their standard "non elite" controllers. I will never again purchase an XBOX Elite controller unless the Elite Series 3 comes with Hall Effect sensors. This is beyond ridiculous that they have been lying to us for years about how they "improved" this model and are using better components. Microsoft is full of shit and has the worst QC I've ever experienced in a company.
@foxhound48293 жыл бұрын
I have xbox for 4th year now and all this time I never even tries original controller (neither with previous, or current gen). I bought pair for Elites and one of them are being used daily, whereas another rarely. None of them have any issues. No drift, no "dust" problem, no rubber problem, no "stickyness", no button problem - nothing. Initially I bought pair of these almost at a same price as my previous xbox and I really got annoyed by that fact, but man - they really paid off. I bought some cheap charger, which had recharable batteries included and they still go strong till today. You said that you took care of your controllers and etc - then how come my v1, which was bought almost 4 years ago looks far better than your current v2...
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
I find it really weird this fetish people have with pointing out "My stuff looks better than yours, so you probably don't take good care of it". All that these types of comments tell me is that people don't consider a number of factors. Where do you live? Is it the city? Is it a rural area? Is it close to the beach? How's the weather? Is it hot? Is it cold? What about the air? Is it humid? Is it dry? And what about your hands? How oily do they get? And how fast do they get oily? I could go on and on. I've lived in places before where it was as easy as dusting off once a month to keep my stuff looking as good as new. Where I live now, even if I were to clean my stuff every single day, it wouldn't matter, especially when we're talking about rubber material.
@Gwal2 жыл бұрын
April 2022, just bought an elite series 2, manufactured in 2021 week 49 so quite recently... and it had button 'A' issues not registering all inputs right out of the box
@RE4PER Жыл бұрын
Mine has been pretty goodfor 2 years aside from the fact that the P1 and P3 paddles no longer work. It seems like the buttons themselves have worn down somewhat which makes them unusable.
@Epicc9282 жыл бұрын
My biggest issue was the rubber near the paddles. Also the back left paddles had a piece of plastic reinforcement break off so my top right paddle doesn’t work without pressing directly where the button is located. I still bought one of the custom ones to replace it simply because it’s the best controller you can get for the money.
@dentedavalanche2 жыл бұрын
Gone through multiple replacements, it has some issues. Rb button is dead now. A button fails to register if u press it at a certain angle, this happens on every single elite 2 ive had. top back buttons fail to press in correctly, not making enough contact. Elite 2 is an amazing controller but it just cant hold up under normal use.
@rideordie2952 жыл бұрын
My controller start self destructing after the warranty ended. My controller was lightly used, mostly for open world games about 8 hours a week average. The “A”, “Y”, and “RB” buttons are having issues and both joystick buttons are worn out. This controller build quality is worse than the first gen in my opinion as the only issues I had with my first gen was the grips coming off.
@TheMoneeman Жыл бұрын
Just got it for my pc, but it feels smaller then my ps5 controller. Ill just have to get use to it. Thank you for the review.
@NostalgicMem0ries2 жыл бұрын
i always stay away from rubber grips and variosu handles, like mouse, keyboard and controller always peel off, are dirty after few days etc... my hands are super sweaty so it damaged rubber so fast and tbh it dont matter for me as i never loose grip even on original xbox controller. hope next elite series will be without those rubber stuff craps like razer or other gaming companies love to put on
@jbtripleog5223 жыл бұрын
I've had 3 of these pos controllers, I bought a used one that was supposedly mint condition and a lot of the buttons were unresponsive, So I said fu#k it I'm buying a brand new one, So as I bought it I noticed the A button was unresponsive, it works if you push harder but forget all that when you're paying almost $200 for a controller, So I took it back and got another, And this has the exact same problem as the last one but worse. So I'm exchanging it today for the last time. I'm going with scuf instinct if this one has any issues
@TruFire7103 жыл бұрын
Really I just bought mine a week ago and its working perfectly and I’m sad to admit I’ve already dropped in once. I really think some batches aren’t being treated incorrectly.
@SuperSimdawg3 жыл бұрын
Get the razer wolverine tournament edition
@nyveh30533 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSimdawg That's what I have, bought it years ago and it started to get stick drift and razer sent me a brand new one even after it wasn't covered under warranty anymore. It's starting to do it again but after two years of constantly playing rocket league. I don't think I'd ever go with Microsoft again as the "elite" controller had stick drift months after I bought it and I ended up taking it back.
@matthewcurry52053 жыл бұрын
The greatest fragile controller i ever owned. Best two months of life i ever seen.
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
The shortest and most on point summary I've seen of the controller yet hahaha.
@KAPAFlyer3 жыл бұрын
If you're buying a Series 2, get the one with the "new" box art and check the "Lot Number": 2122. It seems they made some quiet improvements.
@jidenshaotoko3 жыл бұрын
Do you know what improvements they made? Genuinely curious.
@KAPAFlyer3 жыл бұрын
@@jidenshaotoko I tested 4 of them. None had drift out of the box, triggers are more responsive (faster), stock tension is tighter compared to what I experienced when they first released.
@colin72253 жыл бұрын
What exactly is the new box art?
@ralphengland85593 жыл бұрын
3 days after warranty is up, Right Bumper starts acting funny.
@LouSassol69er3 жыл бұрын
Microsoft killswitched your controller lol
@CamoDC4L2 жыл бұрын
Spent $250 on a scuff. Paddles stopped responding after 3 months. Spent another $250 on a battle beaver because the quality is “so much better”. Lasted me 5 months and L3 would only work if I pressed it in at the perfect angle. Meanwhile I have had my Elite 2 for about 8 months now and not one issue with it yet. I know in time problems will come up but my point is all controllers are built to fail. If they never failed then why would people ever need to upgrade
@Bloodysugar2 жыл бұрын
There's an other point Microsoft should correct : making possible to assign any keyboard key to any button. It is possible as tier solutions do it (steam, antimicro, rewasd etc), it is very easy (for them) to do, it would just take an update of their setting app, it is highly convenient for users, and with such a price we should expect the best starting with what already exists. But even if they did it, it would still be a poor choice as its durability is very problematic on many points. I have enjoyed basic xbox controllers for years, I just can't understand why a product 3 times cheaper is way more durable than this one. For some special features I get it, almost... for instance there's no vibration motor in triggers within the basic xbox gamepad, so it wont break like Elite motors do (except most of the time they stop working just because of one wire breaking just before solder point on the motor, witch could be fixed by making a better job on retaining wires from moving around). But for other stuffs like the A button getting squishy within some months, while it can last for years with the basic gamepad, it's just absurd. On several issues like the A button, or analog sticks, they know how to make it right, so it's a choice to not make this one as good. Trying to understand why do they not want to make their top end model at least as durable as their basic one is very confusing, especially after years of massive complaints. Why would most users want to buy several times such an expensive device after having troubles since their first one ? I know planned obsolescence is a profitable thing for companies, but the more expensive a product is the more it should be durable anyway. In a lot of cases the obsolescence of the Elite is so fast that it gets bad before guaranty ends...