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Once Upon A Time's The Shepherd has an infamously bad fight scene. Let's take a look.
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[@JillBearup]

SO. MANY. CUTS. And of course I'm very late to the party :D Hope you enjoyed the video, you can preorder the ePub version of my book here: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CDCKX7Q2

[@johns9652]

Bad, but still not as bad as that horrible Star Wars throne room fight scene.

[@DavidCowie2022]

So when does the British Library get their copy of your book?

[@wildrabbit2237]

Please please please break down the horrendous lightsaber duels in Ahsoka! So many times they leave themselves wide open, and even one time a baddie stops moving for a second to let Dawson catch back up to the choreography XD

[@JillBearup]

@@DavidCowie2022 When paperback copies exist! So February 😊

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Heck. I've stopped watching a couple of KZbin news channels because they do a jump cut every time they take a breath or finish a sentence. One also had a shaky camera mount, making the jump cuts even MORE jarring.

[@Ice-Climber]

Even at 80% speed, all those cuts make that scene almost impossible to watch.

[@Jason_Bryant]

I'm imagining a producer yelling, "More energy!" at an editor, then another producer comes into the room and starts yelling, "Faster! We need this cut tonight!" Both producers keep yelling those same things over and over until the scene is done and the editor can go outside and scream.

[@TheRealMirCat]

This is the only (and probably entirely correct) explanation.

[@caspiansfriend]

ditto! "More cowbell! er, more .... something/money grab stuff!"

[@nirfz]

You mean _more passion, more energy, more footwork, more energy..._ kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHvRopWNqd5qhaM

[@thatHARVguy]

So, George Lucas' "Faster and more intense!"?

[@stamfordly6463]

Maybe the director was watching a Tony Scott film before he did the editing? Scott was the poster boy for the "Oh for F***'s sake man, concentrate for more than half a second," school of cutting.

[@davidioanhedges]

Well I didn't expect this sentence ... "A bin bag that's been attacked by a Tag team of Squirrels and Herring Gulls ... " But it works brilliantly ... which is more than you can say for the fight scene

[@gigabyte2248]

I had to pause the video that made me laugh so much

[@YeOldeTraveller]

I'm saving that phrase for future use.

[@Ajehy]

r/brandnewsentence, anyone?

[@randomvielleuse527]

THIS.

[@beejay7665]

Just sobbing with laughter 😂

[@samlewis6487]

Something fun is that the spear dude's spear is COMPELTELY OUT OF HIS GRASP AND REACH when he's laying on the ground dying. Which means that he would have had to sit up, lean over, grab the spear, reset his position, and stab with enough strength to completely imaple a guy through the chest. All while bleeding out from his own impalement and without being seen by any of the people talking to Charming and looking straight at him. Now I see why this guys is called unkillable, that's a pretty amazing feat.

[@calypsoc3630]

Dang! Why don't they make the Spear Guy the new Prince lol 😅

[@MonkeyJedi99]

And this AFTER the shield guy said, "Next time make sure I'm really dead."

[@etherealbolweevil6268]

I suspect it is fiction, they made it all up. Badly.

[@bricelory9534]

"you just killed the unkillable" - a perfect example of Once Upon A Time's writing: melodramatic explanation of what you're supposed to have just seen. Or will see in the next scene.

[@iapetusmccool]

That reminds me of a really bad Steven Seagal movie I saw. (OK, that's not a very helpful description). Every act began with a group of Triads discussing what they were going to do to Seagal's character. Then we saw one of them attempt to do what we had been told they were going to do (and fail). Then afterwards a pair of cops would turn up, examine the aftermath of the crime scene, and explain what had happened (which we had just seen happening). This was repeated throughout the film until all the Triads were dead.

[@bricelory9534]

@@iapetusmccool hahaha, that's such wonderfully bad writing!

[@seanheath4492]

@@iapetusmccoolSo they decided to write their script like an English paper (i.e., tell me what you're going to tell me, tell me, tell me what you told me)?

[@Ajehy]

Why did I love this show so much when it came out? I’m confused at my younger self.

[@bricelory9534]

@@Ajehy right? I mean, it started out with potential, but just kinda did the same thing again and again

[@weswolever7477]

The thought of Jill leading an army of squirrels and herring gulls is chilling

[@rsacchi100]

A Monty Python like move.🙂

[@chrysanthemumspark5547]

I'm so impressed with yalls ability to map out the choreography of that fight. My brain sees the cuts and just tells me *some stuff happened. We're not sure what and we don't wanna look.*

[@LilyGrace95]

"Don't attack you, because that's crucial." Duncan's sass is unmatched 😂😂

[@GunmadMadman]

Being a 90s kid, ‘Misty on a school run’ is a banging aesthetic to me

[@gigaherz_]

WHY DID THEY DO THAT?! I'm not even a filmmaker and even I can tell that you have to let the consequence of each move hang for a bit to let the viewer understand it! You show a more general view to help understand the context, close up into the motion of the attack to make sure people know what is being done, and then show the consequence -- the wound/parry/block/deflect, or the receiver's face whichever works best. They did like, the opposite!

[@julietfischer5056]

Probably because these guys barely knew which ends of their weapons to hold.

[@bungeetoons]

With bewildering editing like this? I doubt it's the actor's fault (mostly)

[@brotheroni6233]

All those cuts are to hide the fact that neither of them know how to fight even remotely convincingly and the director wants to hide it while still keeping the fight in. The most blatant example would be the climatic fight in The Medallion between Julian Sands versus Jackie Chan, when the film suddenly goes all super cut-ty, to hide the fact that Sands probably couldn't learn the fight choreography well enough in time to meet the fight choreographer's expectations (who was Sammo Hung, so those were probably very high indeed!).

[@meganofsherwood3665]

Maybe it's also a "we have 1 week to elarn the choreography fir this fight that just got added, do your best, we'll fix it in post" and then this is post?

[@sourwitch2340]

I feel like trying to cast blame here is kinda unfair. Maybe the editors fucked up trying to salvage bad footage. Maybe there were better takes and the editors just didn't understand what they were putting together. Maybe the editors were pressured to finish it too quickly. Maybe the actors hadn't practiced their choreography. Maybe they hadn't been given enough time to. Maybe they did and the choreographer wrote something insane and no one caught on to it, assuming they'd know best what would work. Maybe the choreographer was given an insane set of requirements for the fight and this was an earnest attempt to fit them all in. The director probably fucked up. There are probably a lot of parts that went wrong. But you can't really pin point a guilty party, just highlight the mistakes themselves.

[@basher20]

I saw the aesthetic as more "30 seconds to do an April O'Neil cosplay", but a distinction without a difference. The fight looked to me to be more "two guys who don't know how their weapons work and a stunt coordinator desperately trying to keep them from hurting each other because of this".

[@rm6176]

Now I understand why I did NOT like this scene. Thank you for explaining to me those deep-down feelings about it. Love your work and more importantly can't wait to read your book.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

They STOLE the look of the Kurgan from Highlander.

[@dgmstuart]

I enjoyed this format of demonstrating the choreo yourself!

[@matthewsmith6057]

Regarding "Charming" extraneously hitting the spear at the end, there are continuity errors that hide it, but you can see in the wide CGI shot (8:52) that he's actually broken the spear in half. I'm guessing the script made a big point of Charming breaking his opponent's weapon, but they didn't actually have a practical broken spear prop on set, so they just had to fake it (badly)

[@jonenglish6617]

How strong is charming to cut or break a 1.5 inch spear shaft?

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@jonenglish6617He’s a Hero, capitalization intended. He’s always strong _enough._

[@nala7829]

@@jonenglish6617 It happens, though I've never seen it at that angle. 😂

[@kathrynblakeley9823]

And then his brother comes back in the later seasons and you’re like “wait, he had a brother?!”

[@JillBearup]

They bring the brother BACK? Really?

[@DrPeppering]

They used the brother angle a lot in seasons 1 and 2 but by 5 when James showed up the writers had basically ignored that part of his character.

[@kathrynblakeley9823]

@@JillBearup i’ll leave the explanation at it was when the show went to the underworld. Like Dr. peppering mentioned in this thread, they kind of ignored his already barley there character and the fact that James didn’t meet David. So you get to the underworld and you’re like “what! David had a brother! Why does his brother hate him!”

[@Jason_Bryant]

I recently watched seasons 1 through 4, and I have a different reaction. They brought the brother back through flashbacks, which the show used heavily, so that's fine. They mentioned him a few times here and there, which is fine since barely any of the characters ever met him. It seemed fine to me. I think they mentioned him as often as they reasonably could before season 5.

[@animal_cookie]

OUAT was one of my favorites, but I think I really loved the potential of it, not what they actually did with it. I felt like this scene kind of resembles one of the larger problems in the show. Rather than continuing the plot with the beautiful characters already established, it was constant new character, new background story, new world.

[@sweetsandcharades8383]

My feelings exactly! The potential was there but the execution was… lacking. Especially the character developments… and continuity…

[@summerfrost85]

If too many cuts makes a hit weightless, maybe that's how they managed the flip. They cut away so many times Prince James became weightless?

[@winterwine460]

For anyone who hasn’t seen/hasn’t seen much of Once Upon A Time, take it from someone who sat through over 75% of the entire show. This scene is just a perfect example of how the rest of the show is, Trust Me!! Its so silly and yet once you start the show, its just so hard to stop💀😭😭

[@JustGrowingUp84]

Shout out to Duncan for being such a marvelous performer!

[@markfergerson2145]

“Wheeeeee!” Are you trying to kill me? I laughed so hard I started coughing and had to back the video up to see what I had missed but went too far, saw it again and started laughing again. Three times! At least I can pass on my cardio for the rest of the week. I’ve seen several other reviews of this scene including Skall’s. Every time I got the impression that the bad guy was thinking “This fool can’t fight. I’m going to have to draw this out to impress the observers more.”

[@Cinnder]

Brilliant analysis as always! Brain going NOPE is exactly what mine did when trying to watch that footage. Also, are you sure that was Duncan and not his twin brother?

[@khathaway414]

We need an update of Just Stab Me Now preorders. BTW it is always good to see you Jill.

[@JillBearup]

(checks relevant page) 2,712 ebook preorders! Obviously no paperback preorders because we can't do that yet XD

[@khathaway414]

@@JillBearup Well done! I'm looking forward to reading it.

[@dado__]

@JillBearup Just watched the new Tom Scott video about British Library legal depository, and they discussed that a lot of nontraditional publishers don't realize the BL wants/would take a copy of their book. This is your reminder to submit a copy of Just Stab Me Now when it comes out, however silly it may seem to do so. The most important knowledge we have from the past is the work of ordinary people!

[@meganofsherwood3665]

​@@dado__ Yes, agreed!

[@donnaflood2313]

Somehow, I missed this episode when I watched the show. It's one of those it's so bad, it's entertaining.

[@novawolf1204]

im surprised that no one has done the sword fight from season 9 stargate sg1, when colonel Mitchell fought the silver knight.

[@stephanieturner6912]

I would petition for Jill to review that. 😂

[@RobbySealVids]

I count 174 cuts in this video (only counting everything within each section of each 'bad fight scene' clip as 1 cut). So, average one every 4.4 seconds. However, as a good chunk of them are you trimming what you're saying, it feels a lot less - only 99. Yes, you do cut from yourself to yourself quite a bit. But it feels natural, more dynamic than leaving in longer pauses - so good editing. 🙂 I think those numbers are right, but I'm not so much of a masochist as to go back and check again!

[@sydneygorelick7484]

But also, we're mostly not trying to track any action Jill's doing. She's sitting still, staying in center frame, just talking. We don't have to follow anything but the audio. All the shots of examples are longer chunks that show a whole movement phrase at least. And, even at 4.4 seconds per cut, that's over 7 times longer on average than this very bad fight scene.

[@oasntet]

Yeah, jump cuts in youtube videos used to kinda bug me, until I watched a bunch of no-edit streams. Now I appreciate them as time-saving devices, and so long as it's not jumping around during action it's fine.

[@3kids2cats1dog]

In regards to the shield bit. As a practicing scientist, I'm all for Fantasy Physics™. Who doesn't want to tost some nameless prince in the air by one's shield. Or cook up some convenience potion with some eye of newt... 🦎

[@JillBearup]

Everyone loves a good Potion of Convenience.

[@gordonmcmillan4709]

@@JillBearup A Potion of Convenience is always good for a carry on ...

[@basher20]

As long as it's in a container of less than 3 ounce capacity.@@gordonmcmillan4709

[@3kids2cats1dog]

😅

[@Nathan_Talisien]

Having this be the first video in my KZbin feed list, my day is starting off so much better than I expected it to. 😊

[@1217BC]

Love a video about excessive cuts where you have jump cuts on average every 2-3 seconds! 😂😂😂 Hilarious way to underpin the message! Love it!

[@JillBearup]

I Committed To The Bit, thank you for noticing 😁

[@1217BC]

@@JillBearup You had me giggling so much I had to pause the video!

[@hkpew]

I dunno. I think if you had really Committed To The Bit there would have been some mid-sentence cuts, possibly with repeated words.@@JillBearup

[@wildwolf8505]

Perhaps the idea, with the "Doesn't take advantage of openings" thing, is that he's toying with him? Like... "I'm so good I don't NEED to stab you while you're off balance!" It feels that way from the push to the ground during the spin, as well as The Impossible Physics Bit?

[@JaneXemylixa]

"I'm so good I don't need to be good"

[@francesconicoletti2547]

@@JaneXemylixathere was a roll playing game i dm’d where a a character could get experience points by deliberately fighting badly as in game they would be doing flashy moves. The mechanic of course was for every minus to the die roll get one xp. It doesn’t strike me that a thug with no one to see him would take the risk though.

[@booksandyarniness]

This sounds like a medieval version of the poem "Casey at the Bat" by Ernest Lawrence Thayer

[@susanpolastaples9688]

Thank you for cheering me up bc I have fever and sore throat. 'Tag team of squirrels...' was a defining moment. I knew this was going to be a highlight. And I do love OUAT I am waiting for the book version of JUST STAB ME NOW. Query: do your children share you love of stage combat? Looking forward to more combat vlogs, maybe Ahsoka...have a nice day,

[@lyooyiylklykyokyklky]

I would love to be able to fling someone over my head like Spear Guy did. Handsome Chap was lower down than him, and his weight multiplied by the length of the spear? No wonder he wasn't just aiming at Handsome Chaps unarmoured head, with muscle like that he could go straight through plate!

[@FerretPirate]

It makes me wonder if the point of the scene wasn't to show that Prince James was a very poor swordfighter.

[@chrisball3778]

Didn't even mention that horrendously weird armour. First I thought it was supposed to be Roman Lorica Segmentata because of the over-sized shoulder guards, which was already horrendous because it's paired with a medieval-inspired sword and shield. But then I looked closer and it was even worse- the breastplate actually seems like it was supposed to be some kind of riveted Brigandine-thing made out of little square plates, but it's obviously been made in one moulded piece out of rubber or embossed leather or something. And the backplate is made with yet another different construction method again. It's like an Inception of bad costume armour.

[@jonenglish6617]

The bad guys helmet was cool looking though. Like a budget Kurgan helmet

[@Someguy_9]

You definitely know more about armour than I do, but. Everything looked wrong. Someone rushed the prop department, methinks.

[@charleshurst1015]

"The problem with this fight is edits... edits and choreography. The TWO problems are edits and choreography...and a lack of narrative purpose. THREE! The three problems with this fight are edits, choreography and lack of narrative purpose... and weightless hits, FOUR!... The problems with this fight scene are: edits, choreography... stop, come in, come in again!" What an awful scene :D. Your analysis is excellent ;)

[@fredericapanon207]

Bwahahahaaa. Great ref to Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition.

[@charleshurst1015]

@@fredericapanon207 😁

[@thekitchencounterauthor]

I wasn't expecting the Bearup Inquisition!

[@astra1653]

"Wheeeeee!" I love your fight breakdowns. ❤ Kudos to you and your practice partner! 👏

[@MissingRaptor]

As someone who never saw the series, this scene puts me in mind of a teacher/student fight. Of course the spear guy (teacher) gives the student (sword guy) time to recover, He's trying to make him improve. Also makes sword guy hitting the spear when he's getting up make sense, he's flailing dumbly because he's just a student that's learning. The sword guy seems like a very bad sword fighter, who needs all the help and tutelage he can get though.

[@PenfoldEffjay]

I had exactly the same thought as I watched it. The "brute" is a little too lenient to be fighting in earnest. It feels like a training fight

[@sonnercampbell1702]

I like to think that I have an above average tolerance for fast cutting chaotic action scenes, but even with those brief copyright bot friendly snippets my eyes started to hurt after five minutes

[@CTXSLPR]

If you look on the ground after he stabs the "brute", the spear is in two sections. I can only assume he weakens it with the strike to the spear and then breaks it by kicking it. Now that doesn't explain how the "brute" who just flipped him head over teakettle doesn't hold on to the longer section still in his hand but makes a tiny bit more sense of the hit the spear section.

[@BensBrickDesigns]

Would you be able to take a look at the latest Ahsoka episode, the saber fights between Ahsoka and Baylan Skoll? I think it's a great fight. Good editing, good weight, good story telling.

[@meganofsherwood3665]

Yes!

[@Anti_Woke]

"A tag team of squirrels and herring gulls". Jill, you are wonderful.

[@commehter]

I do not think I can express how perfect the fantasy heroine rename to just stab me now is. How did none of us think to suggest that right off the bat?

[@deaks25]

This seems like one of those "I had all these cameras rolling so I'm going to bloody well use them"

I really love this idea to reproduce combats and check those IRL. It makes me think of the stuntman Anton Fomenko who does frequent videos on stunts in movies and "are those possible or not". I feel that if you were to create a series of videos with that, it would have a lot of success, especially since you would be the only one doing it and you would win a lot of viewers from that. I understand though that it may be difficult because you often need the place and the people to help you. Anyway, I really love your videos. It gives an other point of view to my HEMA point of view, often needing "realism" and through your work (but not only) I understand that "realism" is sometimes in the way of what the scene was ment to be, and balancing those is difficult. So thank you!

[@polinaignatenkova3634]

6:39 i lost it at the "Right, I'm splattered" It's just too funny

[@classicslover]

Coincidentally, "Enormous Bicep" happens to be my nickname for you, Jill. And you mentioned Skall, who is from your OTHER ancestral homeland! = ) ALWAYS good to see Duncan again. Even when he thinks he is too old to be a prince. (Has he heard of Charles?) "Attacked by a tag team of squirrels and herring gulls". Ha! That writer's wit! And instinctively, you KNOW that fight would be MORE entertaining than this one. Neighborhood kids with a viewing diet of ONLY Daffy Duck cartoons could choreograph a better fight. And clearly EVERYBODY is to BLAME! Even the catering person could have intervened and saved us by pointing out the obvious. But instead, they chose to let the horror unfold

[@Herr_Damit]

Don't blame the catering, they might have been cringing in pain, but it's not their responsibility. Would you risk your job for this? I know it's a hyperbole, but as I see it, the only twos parties to blame are the fight choreographer and the cutters.

[@ptonpc]

@@Herr_Damit Ultimately the buck stops somewhere higher up. The fight choreographer may have been working with what they've got, actors who don't really know how to fight, with limited time to train and get used to it. The editors may have been told "This fight sequence has to last X number of seconds", which might have been very different from what the choreographer was told. Or some exec came in and told everyone to re edit things.

[@highlorddarkstar]

@@ptonpcI wonder if they had the fighters going at half speed and then sped it up before they realized it looked rubbish and had to cut it to make it look passable?

[@classicslover]

@@Herr_Damit Having been on movie sets..."below the line" people, aka crew, extras, background...don't get fired for an opinion. There are occasions when their opinion is actually taken into consideration, as they are viewed as "regular" people...aka the target audience. But, to be FAIR, most often their opinion IS ignored.

[@classicslover]

@@ptonpc I was fight choreographer in a stage production of PIRATES OF PENZANCE. Besides the beginning fight, when Adrenalin kicks in, choreography goes out the window replaced by rapid flailing and me trying to save my eyes, because the director did not give them time to rehearse properly, he also told me, last minute, that I had 8 bars worth of time for the big climatic/comedic fight. = ) So yeah. Higher ups.

[@bartz0rt928]

I like that thanks to that Every Frame A Painting video on Jackie Chan, everyone can now just look up how it _should_ be done: 1: Use a static camera so the audience can see all the cool moves and can follow the narrative of the fight; 2: For the same reason, make sure the fighters are visually distinct; 3: To give a hit more weight, cut _in_ at the impact, but start the zoomed in view three frames earlier. Your mind turns it into one, bigger, hit; 4: If you want to do a complicated move, make sure you budget for doing it over and over again until you get a solid take; 5: Have the hero start by getting whooped, then fight his way back up to the top. So when you see stuff like this, you know it must be because of incompetence. Either the choreographer's, the director's, the performers' or the editor's. Possibly all of them. What this fight is telling me is that both fighters are garbage and that the biggest fairy tale is that they've managed to survive to the point where they would face each other. (Finally, cool trick from Game of Thrones: if your hero dies suddenly and gruesomely at the hands of a fearsome enemy they mistakenly assumed defeated, cut _away_ at the moment of the gruesome and sudden death to focus on the horrified reaction of an emotionally involved onlooker.)

[@HomeBrewandGardeningAustralia]

Did anyone else get a sense of vertigo with how fast those cuts came through? lol Also - nice to see you again Jill!

[@youremakingprogress144]

I also found it odd that the villain was wearing what looks like shoulder armor but the rest of what he's wearing looks like loose strips of leather and rags. At first I thought he was supposed to be wearing armor that the prince somehow simply cut through with his sword, but now I'm just questioning his choice of wardrobe.

[@alexashton6501]

"Misty from Pokemon on the school run" is by far the BEST personal callout for aesthetic

[@BP-ef8mr]

Oh my GOD! That quote about a supermodel wearing something outlandish and then a realistic woman trying it on is... *CHEF KISS*

[@osnatashtaralevin8944]

Now I kind of want Jill to make her own rendition of this fight. The narrative justification for this fight (aside from shocking the audience) can be "Prince James is the best and most awesome manly man there ever was and we need to establish what big shoes for Charming the shepherd to fill, and give reason to why his father is always disappointed in him"

[@johnsullivan6560]

Sometimes I think it’s just me being to critical. Thank you for explaining what I know as wrong but couldn’t describe. Looking forward to your book! Thank you for another delicious video!

[@LaviniaDeMortalium]

I love OUAT, I watched it from premier date to end. But I'm completely unsurprised Jill is tearing this scene a new one. The series put more of it's budget into the clothing & ✨aesthetic✨ than anything else. I hope she reviews more fights from this series b/c I'm thoroughly enjoying this lol

[@GamingPaladin]

The Ode to Joy quietly in the background is a nice touch. 🤣

[@MacAisling]

When the prince falls, it looks like the spearman is recovering from shoving him in the back with the middle of the shaft. Did they forget to insert a cut initiating a shove?

[@TheSuzberry]

Love your videos. Welcome back from your authorial duties.

[@walkir2662]

"sometimess bad figh tscenes happen, even in multi-million dollar properties" - yeah we know breaking the billion doesn't help, too.

[@PersonWMA]

Haven't had a good breakdown from you in a while, so it's nice to see this... well, see you, seeing that fight almost made my eyes fall out of my skull. I'll have to watch clips of other swords and boards in other movies to make me feel better.

[@josephradley3160]

Good to see you back in action. My other source of medieval/fantasy assessment/youtube knowledge (Shad from Shadiversity) is currently crawling around castles in the UK. So now all of my best content is coming from over there.

[@Ahrpigi]

That many cuts that quickly actually makes me feel a little sick. The editor didn't exactly have gold to work with, but wow.

[@vermithrax-pejorative]

Godard told us that "the cinema is truth twenty four times a second, and every cut is a lie." Fred Astaire arrived at the same conclusion thirty-five years earlier. He believed every dance number should be filmed, as nearly as possible, in one unbroken take, always showing the full figures of the dancers from head to toes. No cuts, or every few...and no close-ups of the dancers' faces, for that would deny us the movement of their bodies. --Roger Ebert

[@aaronjimenez7825]

Omg I had completely forgotten about this fight. Snarky analysis was on point as always.

[@morgand.3809]

I loved every bit of the analysis that I managed to follow, especially you and Duncan reproducing the movements. Unfortunately, I kept being distracted by the music. It wasn't a bad choice, but if you put the sung part of the 9th on, I'm going to sing along, I just can't help it.

[@mistyAcorn]

Agree, it’s an absolutely horrendous fight, quite fun to laugh at! As to why it’s there, I remember when I watched it forever ago it gave an impression of who David was supposed to be instead of a shepard

[@tenny37]

8:14 that "weeeeee" took me out 🤣🤣

[@mrtalos]

Yay, new Jill Bearup video. But that echo 😮

[@katrinapaton5283]

I know this is a fairey tail but I love how Charming stabs his opponent through the chest but upon pulling the sword out its pristine and shiney. Loved this fight break down, apart from the bit where watching the flashing images tried to make me vomit. The fact that Jill clearly watched this confused mess numerous times and actually survived (presumably), you've got a stronger constitution than I!

[@pdsalerno0604]

Thank you so much for sharing this fight analysis. I'm wondering if you've considered analyzing any of the sword fights from Ultraviolet or the Blade franchise.

[@HeimburgerMusic]

And for the costuming, someone must have said for the big spear guy, "just do Kurgan from Highlander."

[@ArmednotTriggered]

Prince James really said, "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick."

[@MommyOfZoeAndLiam]

To be fair, the first time you showed the fight in the beginning, I thought the spear went through the shield AND into the body, so I thought that was why he was kept in the same position. That would make sense at least.

[@twoheartsandbothofthemyours]

yayyyy our lady is back folks!!!

[@mikakestudios5891]

The best summary if Once Upon A Time is "this once Happened "

[@charleshurst1015]

Yay!!! Journeys 😁

[@nathangreenswordfish]

Love the choreography breakdown videos!

[@OhNoTheFace]

The show being a "in real life" show where I just want to see their much more interesting fairy tale life was the real sin. I did not even make it to this episode back then. Like the first Thor movie. I was like, "No, go back to Asgard, that was the only time you were interesting" But wow, that fight

[@stephanieturner6912]

“And I’m splatted.” 😂 I love the British.

[@blauespony1013]

"Just stab me now" will be my next year's birthday present! Thank you in advance!

[@Atlantis95]

Love the CBR600 f4i in the background 😎

[@trix10101]

now I cannot unsee misty with your outfit, you need the suspenders now

[@naomilanders9381]

I was just rewatching the video and noticed that the second move where the spear dude hits Prince James' shield, the prince is at least ten feet away from the edge and then the next shot has him wind milling his arms as he's on the edge. Apparently the hit was strong enough to teleport him ten feet backwards because there was no way he spun all that way in such little time. It makes you wonder if there was supposed to be more that happened there, or if they figured no ones ever going to notice because it happens too fast. Of course then after that little bit near the edge they have managed to teleport back to ten feet away from the edge. It isn't obvious when watching the scene at full speed, but it does make it look a little weird once you notice it.

[@AngelCleva]

Omg!!! I wanted to recomend this fight, now I don't even have to wait to see your analysis! Lucky me 🎉 Love your Videos ❤❤

[@brandyloutherback9288]

Charming with a 2 by 4 on a pickup truck is all I have to say!

[@Trekmaster47]

Paraphrasing Legally Blonde: "You've managed to kill the unkillable!" "What, like it's hard?"

[@crithon]

wait, isn't that Kuregan from Highlander..... it's not hard to get Clancy Brown to ANYTHING! Heck, you could get him doing Mr Krabs in FULL Kuregan costume, and he would be happy to do it.

[@brendanrobertson5966]

I remember a short skit in an 80s BBC show where it started "What are you doing?" "Filming a fight scene." "All I can see is two ants fighting in the distance..." It then proceeds to explain how to film a fight scene... in a show aimed and 10-12yo. I think they used the "Robin of Sherwood" cast to do it.

[@annazann7236]

Maybe the physics of the spers-shield throw isn't that impossible, the prince clearly jumps up at the start of it 😅 Great reconstruction of the fight, at least now I see how it really went, all the cuts made it very hard to follow.

[@ajaxwillis3962]

My main problem, as always with OUAT, is the CGI. That fight isn't unusual. It's about their average, really. But, the CGI in that show made it near unwatchable. (That and the characters)

[@AnonymousAnonymous-ht4cm]

I like how stage fighters and dancers both "borrow" someone when they want to try out some moves.

[@Taracinablue]

Yep, my brain went "nope" and refused to process that scene at first

[@Tanktaco]

Always a treat, and he's very prince charming cloth, js.

[@joeyoung431]

There may be a lot of good reasons not to do this, but have you considered covering the lightsabre three-hander from The Phantom Menace?

[@meganofsherwood3665]

I would love to see Jill's takes on TPM choreography!

[@IamGulzow]

(Rather heavy sigh) Jill, I usually try to not gush at ladies on the Internet but you are all like nerdy, and swordy, and badass and it is earnestly hard for me to not swoon. I showed my son your murder dress video. Much love and ample respect, fair maiden.

[@Herr_Damit]

You uploaded just after I had a rant on another channel, so I am in the mood to say this: I really love your content, I have a hard time watching a lot of medieval-themed channels nowadays, because of Shadiversity, but your content always delights me. Hits the same points as his content(incorporating practicallity into fantasy-stories), but without the mysogynistic baggage. How are comments 2 days old, reupload?

[@plastikmaiden]

I feel the same way. It just seeps through. Also the videos have become way longer then they have to be and seem rambly. I don't enjoy their humor either. Needless to say, I unsubscribed a while ago.

[@thetruerift]

Early release for Patrons I suspect And the misogyny in medieval/history channels is a depressingly frequent theme. :/

[@entropy11]

Shad's really leaned into the clickbait, but I guess he's got bills.

[@caelestigladii]

Channel membership.

[@JillBearup]

I appreciate that you like the channel, I really do 😊. That said, this is not a space to say bad things about other creators who aren’t here to defend themselves, please. (That’s what Reddit is for, as I understand it.)

[@bobgroves5777]

Good Stuff, Jill. You know your craft.

[@ala5530]

In partial defence of... one move in the fight: James has regained his balance from the brute's overhead slash and goes into Dramatic Spin Attack (I know, it's not particularly practical, but it is dramatic, so fair enough). Spin attack is parried so he spins again, but doesn't appear to attack until way at the end (although the brute is now behind him when James is flailing wildly in front of him before falling). Why the second spin then? You don't mention it in your commentary, but the footage with you and Duncan has a good example of why- the brute has made a riposte at shoulder/throat height on James, and James responds by trying to dodge and still has the momentum from his spin. The editing and continuity is pretty choppy (in at least one of the shots the wings of the spearhead have clearly bound the rim of James' shield and are pulling James to his left, in others the fore end of the spear haft is pushing at James' right shoulder), but that's to cover that those two sections of this pass were done in separate takes, presumably because the actor couldn't switch grip on his spear fast enough (also of note- the direction the spear is pointing and the orientation of the leading hand both flip between shots). ...aham. The point is, the second spin there is not a bodged second attack by Prince James, it's a bodged reaction to the brute's counterattack.

[@James_Bee]

Speaking of Jackie Chan, I recommend an interview he did where he talks about how he choreography/directs a punch landing vs. Hollywood.

[@maxfieldstanton4541]

They had so many things that made no sense. One thing that I will never forget is that the son of the MAYOR who ATTENDS A PRIVATE SCHOOL doesn't know how to tie a tie.

[@sovietbear1917]

Christopher Nolan probably watched this and thought "Man, what a tight fight edit!"