Jim and Tammy Bakker Full Resignation March 23 1987

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This is the rare full version of Jim Bakker's resignation as head of PTL. Technically speaking Tammy Faye resigned at the same time. This video was aired Monday. March 23, 1987.
In the opening, Richard Dortch refers to show as the PTL Club as it was now rebranded. Jim and Tammy are featured in footage shot at their Palm Springs home. The taping was done on the porch of the guest house on the property. Back in the studio key PTL insiders Richard Dortch, Vi Azvedo and others were on the set to further explain the unfolding situation to the PTL partners. #JimandTammy #TammyFaye #JimBakker #PTL #HeritageUSA #PTLClub #JimandTammyFayeBakker

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@TVHouseHistorian]

Another phenomenal upload. Thank you. It’s so fascinating to watch this 35 or so years after everything fell, books were written, people fought, people died, new TV shows were taped, and the circus has packed up and gone home.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Glad you enjoyed. It's hard to believe so much time has passed. Still feels like it just happened. The Heritage Grand has maintained the essence of what it looked like when built. Main Street does not have actual retail any more but it has been fairly well preserved. Many of the rooms with balconies on the inside facing Main Street were left untouched. I visited in 2017 and was shocked to find my room was a perfectly preserved time capsule. The carpet, wall paper, furniture, all exactly as it was under Jim and Tammy. It was surreal stepping out on the balcony looking over looking Main Street. It felt like it could have been 1986 or 1987.

[@andrewu7587]

It is phenomenal to see the entire show! This channel really captures the essence of PTL and the Bakkers. Perfect mix of content.

[@joshuahawley2264]

I couldn't have said it better! So fascinating!

[@andrewu7587]

Really enjoyed the news clips on this channel. Really impressive material in all the posted videos

[@Todd-lx9du]

Thank you for sharing! These videos are so meaningful. The closing song "We Will Stand". POWERFUL!

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

You're very welcome. Hope you have enjoyed our other videos as well.

[@Todd-lx9du]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles I have enjoyed all your videos ⭐️

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

@@Todd-lx9du More to come!

[@Todd-lx9du]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles Looking forward to seeing your next video ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@andrewu7587]

This video is a true piece of American pop culture history.

[@CoopyKat]

@andrewu7587 It's disgusting. Even through all of this utter nonsense and b.s. they still have their number on the screen for DONATIONS. That's what this organization was about: making money.

[@andrewu7587]

@@CoopyKat Mistakes were made but there was good with the bad

[@AcesAndNates]

Total scum… but definitively ahead of their time with respect to innovating the con-game.

[@andrewu7587]

@@AcesAndNates That's a little harsh. Aside from over selling the hotel they didn't really do anything inherently bad

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

@@AcesAndNates While it's easy to focus on the controversies surrounding Jim and Tammy Bakker it's important historically to see the entire picture. The majority of donations were used to build and maintain Heritage USA, support the home for unwed mothers and house and train homeless men at Fort Hope. In addition the PTL satellite network was built and is actually still on the air as INSP.

[@Keithh510]

My favorite Tammy Faye was her saying "I don't know what we're going to do we're down to our last $38,000"

[@andrewu7587]

That was odd, lol. What in the world did they do with their salaries?

[@rush437]

@@andrewu7587 They had 38k in the bank so she had to make that seem like all the money they had. One of the houses they lived in had a hidden room that i assumed was full of cash. Im sure Jim had a back up plan in case everything crumbled.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Sadly Jim didn't have a back up plan and little savings. He and Tammy bought the Gatlinburg house outright but had to sign it over to Roe Messner as they were unable to pay him for work he had done on the home. Jim's parents and Tammy's mother both had homes at Heritage USA with mortgages. Jim's Mom and Dad and Tammy Faye's mother lost their PTL jobs under Falwell so Jim took what cash he had left from the sale of the Palm Springs house and paid off the parent's homes. That ended in disaster a few years later. The IRS had a judgement against Jim and Tammy and a court ruled that because the parent's homes were paid for with money from Jim and Tammy they could be seized. The IRS allowed Jim's parents and Tammy's mother to remain in their homes until their deaths.

[@andrewu7587]

It's apparent from the Vi Az edo comment around 45 minutes in that the Jim and Tammy were expected back, that Falwell wasn't meant to stay at PTL.

[@Brentman56]

The irony is Jim could have probably saved heritage USA

[@judycrisenbery2982]

How can Jerry Fallwell call himself a Christian after doing all that he did, deceiving people with that hostile takeover!!!

[@alwilson3204]

@@Brentman56 And ruined it all over again, no doubt.

[@conradrice9666]

Watching all these folks use this travesty as a money making opportunity is disgusting.

[@Mothball_man]

I like these singers. My favorite of theirs is Afternoon Delight.

[@GnarlsGnarlington]

They had no idea that the enemy was Jerry and not the world.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Yes !

[@braddahg]

Jim Bakker’s personality was so different than now. He was so tolerable back then. He turned into such a dweeb. I love Tammy. I miss her. She treated gays with such grace.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Yes many people say that. Tammy was an original. There will never be another Tammy Faye. Thanks for watching! Be sure to subscribe for more Jim and Tammy content!

[@MJBever]

Yes she really did. She loved everybody unconditionally. She was a TRUE example of what a Christian is supposed to be.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

@@MJBever Tammy was an original.

[@waynewesley2437]

Sure do miss sweet Tammy's singing.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Tammy was one of a kind. There will never be another Tammy Faye.

[@jasongibson3496]

Tammy Faye was a better person than Jan Crouch.@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

It’s interesting that Jan and Paul were never under the media microscope like Jim and Tammy.

[@andrewu7587]

​@@jasongibson3496Jan seemed very strange and seemed like Paul & Jan's misdeeds never got the media attention Jim and Tammy endured.

[@ralphbennett6637]

They was crooks and got caught

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@kathryntaylor2170]

Sure do miss Tammy and Jim. They made the PTL. God bless Jim. Tammy is in heaven!; Rest peacefully Sis Tammy in heaven. Sorry PTL ended up closing. God bless everyone is my prayers.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@saintsheepy6682]

Nice to see the final episode of PTL in such great quality all these years later. Tammy's song she sang isn't the only good one here, Doug's version of "Beyond the Sounds of the Battle" is also wonderful (he always was a great singer).

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@andrewu7587]

Yes this channel has an amazing collection of videos! 💯

[@GnarlsGnarlington]

"A wonderful report..." WTF?!!!

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

You're right that was an odd opening line, lol.

[@andrewu7587]

Great comment!

[@TVHouseHistorian]

Something Jim says here both puzzles and concerns me. As he and Tammy are addressing the audience, Jim claims his sexual indiscretion [with Jessica Hahn] happened in 1980, and had been “under the blood of Jesus Christ” since that time… Oh really? Because in a 1994 appearance on Jerry Springer, Tammy says that Jim did not confess to her the affair he’d had with Hahn until he was pressured by Jerry Falwell (I assume sometime in 1987). Jim states also that he committed this act with Hahn with the motivation to “make Tammy jealous and win her back to my love…” And Tammy just goes right along with that lie! That last comment about making Tammy jealous is in stark contrast to Jessica Hahn’s testimony of everything that transpired that evening in 1980. I know it’s all water under the bridge at this point, but when you revisit all that’s been said and done (thank you, KZbin!) you get a sense of who Jim and Tammy truly were. I don’t hate them. Please don’t take my comment as hateful. I’ve been following them for decades now, and I feel like all the puzzle pieces are coming together for the first time. Once again, thanks for the wonderful upload.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

In early 1981 Jim confessed to Dr. Fred Gross of the Palmdale therapy team. Dr. Gross thought it best to not tell Tammy. Years later after the story broke Jim allowed Dr. Gross to speak about it. As for Tammy on Jerry Springer, that was mentioned before. I don't think Tammy carefully thought when on shows. The sequence of events was that Tammy was with Jim as she recovered and was unaware of the impending Hahn story. Dortch made plans to bring Falwell to Jim in Palm Springs. With Falwell on the way Jim had no choice but to tell Tammy. This version of events was echoed by Jim in his book, Doug and Laura Lee Oldham, Don Hardister and Tammy in her book. Regarding Jessica, Charles Sheppard and The Charlotte Observer sat on the story for such lengthy time in large part because Jessica's story changed so frequently. Many people are not aware of Jessica's life with her pastor leading up to 1987. After the fall of PTL it emerged that Jessica had long been receiving money from her home church. She received trips, furs etc paid for with church money. The state had alleged Profeta skimmed about $90,000 from the Full Gospel Tabernacle Church in Massapequa, N.Y., and used the money to buy furs and jewelry for Hahn, make car payments for her, and go on gambling trips to Atlantic City. 'Reverend Profeta was an idol to me,' said Hahn, who wiped away tears as she spoke to reporters after the plea. 'From Day 1, he asked me to lie to protect himself. It was always Gene first.' She has a hard time with sticking to one story and after the pastor falls she plays the victim.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles *WOW* that is crazy! Sorry, I’m slow to catch onto this. It’s only been within the last 6 months that I’ve been like, “Heyyyy something doesn’t add up. I really need to pick up Jim and Tammy’s books. Thanks for filling in all the blanks for me!

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

No problem. There are a multitude of twists and turns in the saga Jim, Tammy and PTL.

[@alwilson3204]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles It is fairly well known that there was plenty of questionable activity and statements made by Hahn.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

@@alwilson3204 Yes part of the reason The Charlotte Observer moved slowly with the Hahn story was out of concern regarding her varying stories. As an example, you may recall her claim that Jim said Jessica when you help the shepherd you help the sheep. There is a video some where ( I can't recall where at moment) in which she attributes the quote to John Wesley Fletcher. In addition she had a long term fling with her pastor Gene Profeta who had her on the payroll of his church for which she did no real work. Profeta used funds from his church to buy her gifts and take her on trips.

[@HerbertAtkinson]

I called this preacher pastor dorch for healing years ago he was a very nice man he is in heaven with the Lord parents & brothers🙏🙏

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@andrewu7587]

🙏

[@Bk187O]

"Welcome to the PTL Club...today is going to be a wonderful day in God's presence...." *Jim resigns and never gets to return* lol what a contrast!

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

This episode almost had a surreal feel.

[@judycrisenbery2982]

He has a new program on TV since he got released from prison

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

@@judycrisenbery2982 Thanks for watching!

[@alwilson3204]

@@judycrisenbery2982 Jim is going down the same questionable, shady road he went down before.

[@judycrisenbery2982]

@@alwilson3204 that's just what I thought

[@allfleshisgrass.]

I didn’t live anywhere close to this time in history, but I’m a student at Liberty and after researching Jerry Falwell I’ve been on this rabbit trail for 2 days now 💀💀

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Let me start by saying that the Jessica Chastain film for whatever reason ditched the actual story. Falwell and Jim barely knew each other. Falwell sent 2 aides to meet with PTL's second in command Richard Dortch about Hahn. Dortch was led to believe Falwell wanted to help. Dortch set up the meeting with Jim and Tammy, Roy Grutman (Falwell's attorney), Dortch and Falwell aides Jerry Nims and Mark DeMoss at Maxim's Hotel in Palm Springs. Jim and Tammy both said Falwell told them the hand over was temporary until the smoke cleared, a few months at most. I can tell you that the day after Jim's resignation I called a friend who was essentially an insider. I was told very clearly that Jim and Tammy were coming back in 6 weeks to a few months. The week after the take over the new board met and then Falwell had a press conference in the Heritage Grand where he claimed he knew nothing of the Jimmy Swaggart plan and he made a remark that he could not complete his mission to save PTL if Jim returned. This first press conference left the Bakkers with feeling as though they had made a terrible mistake. Tammy warned Jim that the hand over was a bad idea. She smelled a rat and her instincts were on the money. The Bakkers did make mistakes while running PTL but Falwell was no angel of mercy. He came in with an agenda and it was not to save PTL or help Jim and Tammy Bakker

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

The most recent book about the Bakkers, PTL: The Rise and Fall of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker's Evangelical Empire by John Wigger provides great insight into Falwell. Charles Shepard's book Forgiven does as well. In reality when it comes to sex scandals, Jerry jr and his wife seemed to have a far more interesting story, lol.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Is there a version of the story that Liberty University puts out?

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

The xxx rated misdeeds of Jerry Falwell junior and his wife add an almost Shakespearean element to this saga.

[@allfleshisgrass.]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles Liberty doesn’t really mention it as far as I know. I found this stuff while browsing the internet.

[@dr.keithheimann3963]

I admire how Tammy Faye used the rest of her life for good. Jim remains a creepy con artist.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

There will never be another Tammy Faye. Thanks for subscribing to the channel!

[@andrewu7587]

Tammy Faye was nothing short of incredible! Her light was brightest at PTL on the Jim and Tammy Show.

[@BillMonroe-vg8gn]

I don't know how anybody thinks of that as a donation your simply buying something , blessed is a cheerful giver , can't be a cheerful giver your a cheerful buyer , Send a donation and I will give you this , just think about it for a minute , are you giving or buying ? Millions of people gave to get vacation at heritage USA and got shifted because they gave a donation not a time share , I would never send a preacher on a TV any donation on a promise he is going to send me something . The church is not and should not be qvc

[@Bk187O]

So was this before or after Tammy Sue ran away? They mentioned she was staying at a pastors friends house in California.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

There seems to be some confusion on that. Tammy Faye wrote in her final book that Tammy Sue ran away from the Palm Springs home. Doug Oldham's comment left us all a bit confused. Hopefully Tammy Sue will write her own book and tell her version of events.

[@Bk187O]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles Were you at PTL in the 80s?

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

I was not but knew someone. When the story hit the national news Friday March 20 I called the person I knew. In the course of that conversation I was told that Jim's resignation was temporary and not to tell anyone. I was told that Jim and Tammy would back at PTL within a few months. Jim was absolutely played by Jerry Falwell.

[@Bk187O]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles for sure. The attacks Jim was referring to in the video from someone else was just a chess move by Falwell. Even roe was duped by going back and forth to communicate things. Crazy.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

There was an attempt by John Ankerberg, Paul Roper and Jimmy Swaggart to force Jim to confess/repent. They asked Falwell to help but Falwell said he needed to think it over. He then had his aides engage Dortch who led them to Jim. There was clearly some effort being made by the others and Falwell used that information to gain Jim's trust.

[@tanyad.2180]

If one is ever in dire need of affirmation with strengthening self manipulation, these type are readily available to assist, hoping you feel obligated to give.

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

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[@zenrvn4702]

The original kool aid drinkers.

[@johnriesinger]

Lol.He just can't own it.And nothing has changed.Poor Jim a joke.

[@judycrisenbery2982]

If you want to win your wife's love back, you sure DONT go out & have an affair!!!!

[@RolloSmokes]

Is Tammy Faye lip-synching to her own song?

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

She was most likely singing to a track. Be sure to subscribe to our channel for more great Jim and Tammy Bakker, PTL and Heritage USA content.

[@joshuahawley2264]

Hey today is March 23!

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Yes hard to believe how much times has passed.

[@rs3007]

I loved Tammy now looking back- I feel so bad she had to go through that crazy crap

[@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles]

Tammy really did go through a lot. She tried her best to always stay positive. Thanks for watching and be sure to subscribe for more Jim and Tammy, PTL and Heritage USA content.

[@uriahpeep9008]

@@JimandTammyThePTLChronicles You need to color yourself "NAIVE" to the max. Tammy was just as involved in this nasty religious scam as was her stupid husband. They were nothing more than grifters of the worst kind. The worst part of the saga is the thousands of low IQed simpletons who sent them money to finance this idiotic scheme that even a five-year-old child could see through. We had and continue to have grifters who call themselves evangelists of the gospel because they are just a tad more intelligent and dishonest than the simple folk who do not have the spiritual discernment of a carrot. Those who lost money deserve to have that loss if they did not learn their lesson both now and then.

[@charleseck3941]

Grifters

[@zenrvn4702]

Hilarious they all trusted Fallwell!!

[@zenrvn4702]

They were all so desperate to save their meal ticket! Keep sweet. Are you kidding??