Jim Cornette on The Fabulous Moolah & The Wrestlemania Controversy

[@Ghiaccio-x1j]

As Jerry Lawler once said Moolah was the waitress at the last supper.

[@antoniusjohnson3824]

Jim Ross: “Now you stop that.”

[@brucewhite360]

😭😭😭

[@NICKWAPPERER117]

@@antoniusjohnson3824 lol very accurate.

[@chippychipperson3480]

She probably made the King cut her a check for that joke.

[@_justinblizzle]

@@chippychipperson3480yes cuz Moolah was, if nothing, about her money!

[@-dfh-866]

She pimped out her wrestlers for good booking , she took 50% of their pay plus charged them rent when they trained and stayed on her compound to name a few things. She always looked elderly her entire life, because the hatred and greed sucked the youth out of her.

[@mightyknight]

Moolah actually took 25% of the women's pays.

[@kuunami]

@@mightyknight what percentage of the women was she pimping out?

[@RockandrollNegro]

@@kuunami About 75%, best estimate.

[@VitZ9]

​​@@kuunami Only one woman, Vickie Otis aka Princess Victoria, has accused Moolah of pimping her out. And honestly, I consider that accusation terribly suspect based on her retelling of the story on Dark Side of the Ring. The only accusations that are confirmed is that Moolah took a large booking fee of 25%, and was harsh on the wrestlers she trained, but no worse than Stu Hart, or any of the other male trainers from that era. Her biggest controversy is she liked money and used her position to make money, just like every other booker or promoter in history.

[@BuJammy]

No evidence of any of that.

[@PaulieD1984]

Legend has it when colombus discovered America, Moolah was there collecting her pension.

[@ricosalvaje5802]

Lmao

[@thehighjedi5109]

😂😂😂

[@MrHawkelement]

Meanwhile, Mae Young was collecting hers even further back, in the Carthaginian Empire.

[@scotcarr3390]

Moolah crashed the Last Supper & locked Jesus out for drinking & missing curfew. Mae Young talked her into letting him back in...😁

[@MasterWitchDoctor]

hey einstein, columbusdidnt discover America Amerigo Vespucci did thats why its called the United States of America not the United States of Columbus.

[@TheZom1965]

Luna Vachon said that Moolah was a pimp and an awful person.

[@coreylineberry8557]

TheZom1965 Luna was odd.

[@oldjms1965]

she does not come across as a nice person, but then its Pro Wrestling, the owners and bookers were some of the biggest scumbags in history

[@4ArchieLee]

I still don't understand why Luna has yet to be given props

[@Charsi_Escobar]

Archie Lee because she wasn’t a hot blonde with huge tits that would look good in playboy.

[@joeski1073]

@@4ArchieLee I feel like that about Ivory. She had a great body but on the wrestling side she was a great heel manager/valet.

[@CD78361]

I don't think many people remember how over Wendy Richter was in the early 80s. She was basically the female Hulk Hogan. The WWE could have done so much more with her. But Moolah squashed it.

[@kennethwright4108]

TGK 20711 you are so right

[@bigdickdudley9119]

Didnt do much for mad maxene eith

[@iamnotanuggetblackhart5103]

Vince actually squashed it, he just had Moolah help in squashing her.

[@alwaysamysteryyes2021]

@@iamnotanuggetblackhart5103 is right. Vince got mad she asked for more money and had Moolah screw her.

[@mkl62]

IMO, it was more Vince than anything. She had just appeared on the latest cover of the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Magazine that had just come out, and the way I see it, that PISSED HIM OFF. No one and I mean NO ONE could be bigger than Hulk Hogan.

[@tiffa808]

Mugging dudes is bad, but pimping out unsuspecting people is worse. But can we get more on that chick who cut her off her own arm. Now that's a story we wanna hear!

[@miked9112]

Would rather hear about the woman who cut off her own tits...

[@TheTrixster690]

Where did you hear that ?

[@angelpassion7259]

How do you even cut through the bone?

[@trentaccid2177]

Just Google it the whole story is there. There was gas leaking under the car she was in and if she had not done that she would have blown up.

[@tObito687]

its even worse than that luna vachon said she was 16 years old when moolah sent her to "photoshoots" which her and other girls have described as basically softcore porn

[@jarrodammons8915]

The guitar shot from Jeff Jarrett was probably one of the best things of the late 90's.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

We'll call that a retroactive face turn for Double J.

[@JulioHernandez-wy8nh]

Jeff should have hit her twice

[@chrisiverson5648]

@Wilfred "I Tapped Dat Ass" Kensington; He was awesome 👍🏾

[@CadChamberlain]

Its crazy the contrast between the duo of Moolah and Mae Young. Mae Young is beloved by literally everyone and nobody has a bad thing to say about her early pioneering and future contributions. Meanwhile with Moolah...

[@karma_coin]

Mae Young helped set women's wrestling a step forward. Moolah set women's wrestling back two steps. Thank God Moolah had no sway in Mexico and Japan where women's wrestling thrived and evolved, especially Japan. When they would have American female wrestlers (almost all of them trained by Moolah) facing Japanese female wrestlers at WWF events like Wrestlemania, there was a very noticeable difference in quality between the two.

[@trentaccid2177]

Plenty of people have said Moolah was trafficking women wrestlers which is what Vince McMahon is being charged with not. The only difference was unlike Vince Moolah did not shit on the women's hair.

[@nathanmiller8213]

​​​@@karma_coinIt was weird (and yes, Jim explained why) that Moolah had a near monopoly on women's wrestling training in the US. Like, from the wrestlers in the 80s, I can think of like 3 that Moolah didn't have a hand in training (Candi Devine of the AWA was trained by Jackie Fargo and people in Tennessee, Rockin Robin was trained by Nelson Royal, and Madusa Miceli was trained by Brad Rheingans and Eddie Sharkey).

[@thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632]

Sherri Martel got away from Moolah.

[@scotcarr3390]

Sherrie Martell probably kicked the $#!+ out of her on her way out the door. Sherrie was a sweetheart in her private life. Her addictions notwithstanding. But if there was one woman who'd put the boot in for real if you screwed w/her, it's Sherrie. Even Luna Vashon - another legit badass & Hellraiser - probably said "I ain't screwing w/THAT psycho!"

[@alexandersmith3334]

So did Wendy Richter.

[@brandonpotts54]

Vince pulled Sherri.

[@Bazzeboy]

Sherri is my #1 female wrestler.

[@jamesdavies1179]

I could honestly listen to jim for hours he's such a font of knowledge on the wrestling business like him or not.

[@mikeborsum8881]

Moolah personally held back women's wrestling for 40 years. Go watch her wrestle Wendi Richter. This wasnt chain or spot wrestling we see from women today, and that kind of style became popular only AFTER Moolah wasnt controlling almost all women's wrestling anymore. Moolah sucked, her style sucked, and she herself was an awful human being.

[@judyhopps9380]

and now she's worm food. \o/

[@williamfurdyn5334]

*Allegedly

[@jabrockobiden9434]

You will be too

[@VitZ9]

Yeah bro, we've all seen that Dark Side of the Ring episode. Stop acting like you have an original opinion when you're just repeating what a bitter old woman said who thought she was bigger than the business. 🤷‍♂️

[@mikeborsum8881]

@@VitZ9 firstly, Mr Random Idiot, go watch that episode and tell me what im repeating. Moolah was a terrible wrestler by todays standard, she alone was to blame for women's wrestling consisting of nothing more than weak bumps, Snapmares with the hair, and very little else. It wasnt until women like Wendi Richter and Alundra Blaze who started wrestling like the men did, that her influence was fixed. Go watch that episode and tell me what Im repeating, Genius.

[@Radiohead801]

This pretty much explains why Moolah is garbage to a T.

[@jamesdavis3559]

Anthony Hoffman she choked Cyndi Lauper on TV. Gone but not forgotten

[@blindterrytucci2752]

“Elephant Boy and his Slave Girl!”. That pretty much summarizes everything good AND bad about pro wrestling. It’s the kind of thing serious wrestling fans love and can laugh about while being the kind of shit they would never want non-fans to know because it totally backs up the idea that pro wrestling is stupid.

[@mnikhk]

You realise you're taking a small niche of people who like that stuff and grouping them with pro wrestling fans in generals. Things like this happen in Hollywood too ,so are all movie goers supporters of crime and prostitution or sexual abuse ?

[@janesmith7676]

Honestly, I would easily share with that with a non-fan and not even care. I just would laugh at the silliness and expect them to laugh too, which they usually do. I've shown my non-wrestling fan boyfriend some bizarre wrestling clips, and we just have a blast. Wrestling shouldn't be taken too seriously, really. You either get into it deeply and 'get it' or you don't.

[@ElPayasoMalo]

Elephant Boy was a Mexican, and Moolah would kiss him on the cheek before he entered the ring. A racist tried to stab them after seeing it happen.

[@petefrenzel7296]

Moolah was the Female Vince McMahon. She was a powerful force in wresting in general. She "owned" the female wrestling scene. She actually "bought / purchased" the concept / promotion of female wrestling. Basically, she owned the "patent" of female wrestling at the time.

[@freebirdforever2674]

I always appreciated that Bubba Ray put his legs up to protect the girls when they took power bombs from him. The guys - you’re SOL dude! 😂

[@davenwatts8173]

Also, she pimped out her trainees n ruins lives for her benefit but she drew so all is forgiven, love you Jim but this is horrible

[@RobwLPOC]

Her trainees say it is absolute bullshit. 11 of them alone just on one KZbin channel have all done interviews saying that the stuff that was said about her is absolute freaking bullshit kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Oko3l4i959prM

[@edrickamal7155]

This is the first time I ever heard Jim cornette afraid to be blunt about what he's talking about

[@cidiose]

Jim always will embellish and sugarcoat the "good ol' days" for the sake of being the "good ol' days" out of his love and nostalgia for the era.

[@ianrocco8453]

He's afraid she'll haunt him as a ghost.

[@ermonski]

It's always uncomfortable to speak ill of the dead

[@michaelhempfield5604]

You first time? Well obviously you have selective hearing.

[@tripdaigle1228]

She was scarey

[@adamchiarella5623]

I'm usually on JC's side, but he's trying to sugarcoat things while pretty much confirming everything that has been said about moolah. C'mon, Jim! As one of the few people in the business that has a working moral compass, you more than anyone know that there are some things that you just don't defend. Stories like this are why I'm glad i didn't become a wrestler

[@ciarantreacy7721]

Amen brother! Thought about it for a long time but watched far too many shoot interviews to discover what this business does to a person!

[@jakepaul4033]

This comment didn't age well after the recent allegations against him and his wife.

[@bludluva]

Jake paul what allegations? I didn’t hear about those

[@bludluva]

Caleb Pitts wtf??? I sure hope not

[@you-5-iver804]

@Caleb Pitts oh my god. I hope not.

[@SensiofRabbitude]

We always struggle to fathom the concept that people who were always polite, nice and generally good to us, could be bad people. Jim is no different to the rest of us when it comes to situations like that.

[@eliwhaley4804]

Eww 🤢

[@justinwoodward3413]

He’s a giant denier of female victims of abuse and has been throughout his career.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

They didnt have to be there.

[@dmo5207]

@@justinwoodward3413 but he calls himself a liberal

[@williamsmith666]

​@@dmo5207he's not a liberal. He's a rare steak (Red on the inside)

[@evanb1470]

Gotta give May credit for taking that power bomb into the table though...

[@alwaysamysteryyes2021]

Even though she landed on Bubba's legs and not the table.

[@evanb1470]

@@alwaysamysteryyes2021 still a heck of a bump for and old lady!

[@truckster7]

Fun fact: she farted on Bubba's balls when she landed. (Listened to Bubba talk about it on an interview lol)

[@TheInspectorDilfordDa3rd]

@@alwaysamysteryyes2021 Bubba was scared shitless of doing the spot in the first place, Mae was the one that demanded it to happen.

[@tomtomthebear]

truckster7 😂😂😂😂😂👌🏻

[@wolfman4204]

Legend says that Moolah went to school before there was history

[@merleshand2442]

She's like mom from futurama

[@TheInspectorDilfordDa3rd]

OOOOOO SHIT! All she would need is a chain smoking habit and she's be spot on!

[@PrinceAkkanatan]

Apt!

[@So_Toasty]

perfect.

[@fighterck6241]

I see it.

[@brandonpotts54]

I like Jim and honestly think he treading lightly because if you really dig into the old days the wrestling business was really dirty and if you listen to some people from Vince Sr days they spoke of the business as it was borderline an organized crime racket. As in if you put on an event in someone else's territory mfs would show up in the promoters office with pipes and bats and put the fucking boots to you and demand a piece of the gate.

[@rowdycmoore]

Cornette has done that as well. Go dig up the video about him bragging that he wanted to kill Terry Landell.

[@timspellman47]

I'm starting to see that in wrestling everyone is a con man or a carnival worker or at least have the morals of them.

[@timmutohfan]

just now you're starting to see this? new to wrestling are we?

[@timspellman47]

tim mutohfan I knew they were similar but I didn't know the depth and the hypocrisy that was involved. I used to think of them as rock stars but they are way worse than most rock stars.

[@timmutohfan]

well pro wrestling drew houses by running carnies with the con men. and if you think the modern product is worked within an inch of it's life, have your guy make an open challenge to any farm hand for a shot at $50 in post ww1 money. you'll have 4-5 guys in the crowd dressed the part to protect your business. the term "marks" comes from the carny.

[@maxxdahl6062]

A bit slow are you? Oh wait, yeah you are, Tim.

[@rahowherox1177]

Lol. Welcome to Ammmmmerica ... usa usa usa (checkout the politicians, from president down)

[@rbswords2353]

He's a weasel for defending her actions.He's got no shame nor sense it would seem.

[@dmar28]

Its all allegations and rumors nothing has been proven or dismissed

[@Kev7035]

@@dmar28 yeah sure buddy, what proof do you need? Testimonies of many of her trainees have been public about how she was pimping them at 16years old and engaging in the most exploitative and abusive behaviour one could have towards their trainees ever, practically working them to the bone while pimping them to promoters (they would get raped if they refused btw) for little to no pay while she gets all the fame and money, you have to be a proper piece of shit to not denounce this kind of behaviour

[@dmar28]

@@Kev7035 there are testimonies saying the exact opposite many of Moolahs girls deny any of this happening I'm not a type of person whose going to shame someone without knowing anything about the topic and believe the 1st thing I here

[@eddydstroyah]

“I’ve never heard of drugging wrestlers against their will...” lol

[@TheBurningChicken1]

Yeah no way that Jim doesn’t know what a h bomb is 😭😭 that stuff used to get mention in 00s shoot interviews like it was a damn suplex

[@trentaccid2177]

You apparemtly live in a cave

[@eddydstroyah]

@@trentaccid2177brother did you not watch the video? Lol

[@dalelovett7401]

I heard things of her over the year's . All I remember is seeing her at the Town ship auditorium in Columbia, South Carolina on a few occasions. People are who they are , or are groomed to be who they are

[@erikjohansson2300]

In regards to kindly old Moolah. I always saw that as sarcasm. It was just known the woman was a thug.

[@evanh.6097]

Funny how this pops up on my recommended after Jim has been accused of the same thing😂😂

[@greedyd5524]

Oh please. Stephanie knew and didn’t care like her daddy

[@FerretJohn]

Glad to know you're on such intimate terms with Stephanie that you know all about what she does or doesn't know

[@AegisEpoch]

i'm not a white female, but i imagine women like her and moolah set female empowerment back by being only for themselves

[@kitpalmer1583]

FerretJohn she doesn't have google?

[@FerretJohn]

First Rule of Google: Be careful of what you find. Believe it or not there are quite a few websites around here which aren't all that interested in the Truth. Most are written by smarks who like to trade in hyperbolic stories and cheap gossip designed more to give the writer a sense of self-righteous importance. How much of Moolah's background is real? How much are just stories? Steph is better off asking the old-timers still working for the company

[@antwhezzy]

Kit Palmer well since Moolah was like a grandmother to her maybe she didn’t want to believe the stories about her

[@matthewsnyder6126]

Mae Young sounds like a great person with zero accusations against her, unlike the line for Moolah.

[@3ShotTGK]

Oh Mae was a genuine saint from what I've heard

[@_justinblizzle]

@@3ShotTGKexcept to those men she beat up 🤭

[@RockandrollNegro]

Don't forget that ring truck she stole.

[@david-468]

No she was pretty evil as well she just did it in a feminine manipulative manner, she’s like that prostitute a few years back who killed a rich guy stole all his stuff then claimed it was “self defense”

[@fmdof]

I wanna say Bruce Prichard said in his podcast that Vince did know and switched to Sensational Sherrie's trained women. It's been a while since I've heard the story, but it was the first time I heard of any wrong doing from Moolah.

[@timmutohfan]

he didn't so much say he switched to sherri's girls, but he did bring them in. vince told moolah i'm bringing these girls in how our deal works with them has nothing to do with how we work with your girls. and then slowly phased out moolah's girls.. then moolah did what moolah does and ties a sandbag around the whole women's division..

[@jamesvigg2680]

Luna goes in depth about Moolah in her shoots, she was pretty brutal apparently.

[@vinniecarnahan4056]

After watching Viceland. I believe Moolah did take advantage of some of the girls booking etc. But the sources of Sweet Georgia Brown, and Luna's statements are pretty suspect as well, considering their lives as well. I think Moolah needs to be looked at at the time it was happening. Not through today's eyes.

[@RobwLPOC]

@Trevor Walker there are 11 of them alone most of the big names just on this one channel that say all the stuff about her is just crap other than she got a booking and training fee. Yeah she was ruthless and kept a Monopoly on women's wrestling, but all the stuff about her pimping them out for sex and stuff and drugging them is just all garbage kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Oko3l4i959prM

[@_justinblizzle]

@@RobwLPOCthere’s absolutely no way that Moolah wasn’t exchanging those girls for sex & favors when Moolah herself had to deal w that kind of stuff when she got in the business, though she claims to not have engaged in any of it…

[@TheVampirePredator]

So Cornette is apologetic to Moolah for being a pimp and a slave driver, but considers Kenny Omega the antichrist because he skipped out on an ROH date. Jim's got issues.

[@UMOGrunt]

TheReivenlocke Because those two things are the same how?

[@TheVampirePredator]

Do you have two brain cells to rub together? It's an example of how much his hatred of Omega is irrational. He's apologized for and rationalized people doing a hell of a lot worse than skipping a wrestling event. Him rationalizing Moolah doing all the shit she has, including human trafficking, is disgusting.

[@UMOGrunt]

TheReivenlocke That doesn't answer the question how is what Omega has done and what Moolah has done the same thing? And what does his dislike of Omega have to do with Moolah? Lastly rationalizing something does not equal defending or justifying it.

[@TheVampirePredator]

Punishment fitting the crime? That was the basic reason I wrote that. I don't know how else to explain it to you because it's obvious you're one of these "Cult of Cornette" sheep that lets Jim do all your thinking for you.

[@UMOGrunt]

TheReivenlocke It's obvious you're one of those idiots that jumps into one of these videos whining about Jim pissing all over someone you like or engaging in nonsensical whataboutism. Yet for all your butt hurt you'll still show up to complain on another video eventhough you can't stand Jim or his opinions.

[@leonardohenriquez7814]

When Brian said “This segment of the drive thru is brought you by Snickers” I fucking lost it lol 😂

[@trentaccid2177]

DON'T GET IT

[@TheRealArtimusKnight]

God I hope may young isn’t terrible. She seemed so sweet

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

If they’re that close, she had to know something.

[@websurfer8670]

So basicly all the rumors are true, but jim didnt wana expose the business.

[@rowdycmoore]

That's always been Cornette's biggest problem.

[@RobwLPOC]

So everyone knows, Verne gagne when he trained Ric Flair wanted him to sign a contract being 20% of his earnings for the next 5 years back to him for training him that was a regular practice back in the day. The trainers didn't charge you ahead of time for training you had to pay them back later when she started wrestling they got a certain percentage of your income.

[@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55]

Sounds like a hustle

[@myquest666420]

@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 also gives incentive for the older guys to get the younger guys over

[@_justinblizzle]

Moolah wanted her coins up front thou! $300 for rent. Plus money for food, utilities & travel expenses. Plus a booking fee. And if for w/e reason you were aren’t able to make your bookings… Moolah found ‘other bookings’ for you

[@2011nphelps]

Moolah was basically not talented herself but she booked herself that way

[@williamsmith666]

Hey, Jim. come on...Snickers are fantastic. Those peanut butter ones are addictive.

[@4ArchieLee]

Yeah back in the 90's where the wrapper was red

[@ajdaking507]

I unfortunately can't eat either one without getting sick

[@lancethiele1563]

I’m a huge Cornette fan but he doesn’t do himself any favors by laughing so much at these horrible claims against Moolah. These are serious accusations that are a black eye on pro wrestling. Doesn’t matter what time period. He should have addressed this a little more serious. His knowledge on the subject is great, but his attitude is a little awkward to hear.

[@cidiose]

Agree...Corny dropped the ball here and hard.

[@So_Toasty]

Awww god, so suuuuurrriusssss. I assure you, there will be another celebrity of a bygone era who's sensibilities we no longer find palatable, that will crop up next week...save your energy. Go ham then.

[@RobwLPOC]

Since that came out 11 of her wrestlers I found just on this one channel have all said it is garbage what they said about her. She did take a booking / training fee but the rest of it is all just crap kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Oko3l4i959prM

[@michaelhempfield5604]

This is what happens when you think you know Celebrities

[@WildBillCox13]

The Snickers stab in the back was wonderful.

[@aidanthomas2510]

Who's here after the dark side of the ring episode

[@kyleshiflet9952]

I did

[@RobwLPOC]

I can't believe they're not being sued buy her daughter and the estate. 11 of her former students just on this one KZbin channel I found have all come out and just said no absolutely not the stuff is garbage. The only part that was true as she got a percentage of their earnings for a training in Booking fee but other than that the rest of it is just bulshit. She didn't drug anybody she got pissed off at people even had marijuana on the property kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Oko3l4i959prM

[@calebjanus2000]

@@RobwLPOC Which makes sense since Sheik kicked her out of the car for her not liking the smell of weed.

[@Bgz8890s]

@@calebjanus2000 Let's not forget how much weed was demonized by old timers back in the day, but thought nothing about taking a slew of pills & booze, especially those who came out of that 40's & 50's "reefer madness" era which Moolah came from.

[@DaremoTen]

So Mae Young did the Badger Game as both the bait and the muscle. There's a woman doing it for herself.

[@greedyd5524]

This is like #Metoo and Hollywood. Every one knew what was going on and didn’t care and/or aided and abetted it and now wanna act pure and outraged

[@SAM-ru4vx]

wwe claims to have a huge social media presence.

[@josephmatthews7698]

Seriously did you break a sweat doing those mental gymnastics? Stupid ass KZbin crawling with brainwashed morons. You can't go to a single video without some crybaby right winger spouting politics.

[@DarkScorpionPete98]

@@josephmatthews7698 Did you actually read Greedy D's comment correctly?

[@DarkScorpionPete98]

@Greedy D, I agree with you.

[@rafaelsilvatorres3689]

@@josephmatthews7698 far right cry baby? We have a socialist former president who is in jail just because of acusations without any proof, just like #metoo is doing. Judging without a chance to defend yourself or any kind of proof. Please don't be a silly liberal.

[@maqclark]

Cornette is full of it. He's tripping over himself to not address the numerous allegations against Moolah. He knows she was horrible.

[@BonesBrigader]

He knows the deal. Get off his nuts.

[@nonautomaton6230]

Or, more likely, not willing to accuse somebody based on rumors he's not party to?

[@cidiose]

Jim always will embellish and sugarcoat the "good ol' days" for the sake of being the "good ol' days" out of his love and nostalgia for the era.

[@loufournier5397]

Moolah looked like the old broad who you would see bartending at some small town country bowling alley.

[@brandonsorensen7216]

Well I'd strongly suggest everyone go find and listen to the interviews with girls who where booked by her.....alot of the top ones explain the situation and slam the door on a lot of the lies, they aren't easy to find but if your going to trash a human being you should make sure and know who your trashing

[@RuthOmegon]

She took on the Vince persona. She sold her stars out at bottom basement prices.

[@ponchred]

I'd love to see Moolah vs Shayna Bayzer lol...

[@TheNickDinsmore]

True Story: Moolah made a man out of Eugene.

[@kcole3937]

Hello My name is Eugene I Saw you in Hartford CT teaming with Nature Boy Ric Flair at Vengeance 2004 I didn’t even see the end of the match cause I had to run to the bathroom. Great memories 👍

[@erikjohansson2300]

It's crazy but the 50s women wrestling in general is a closet fetish. Maybe even more than S&M . 50s women wrestling the queen is Betty Page.

[@janesmith7676]

Makes sense. And I'm sure there's even still some element of fetish out there today.

[@BlakethaReaper]

I've been waiting for this one.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Moolah - literally worse than New Jack. All we know about New Jack is that he stabbed a few dudes and gave a few receipts and says he's done a lot more than that (but he's a wrestler so obviously it's a work) - Moolah destroyed the lives and careers of people with potential and passion for the business. People who stepped into the ring with New Jack were already fucked to be in that situation to begin with and let's put things in context, New Jack isn't even the 100th wrestler to stab some dudes in the ring and not even in the top 500 for beatings. He's just the only wrestler to actually make that part of the business his gimmick - that's the Cornette magic rubbing off on him I guess.

[@judyhopps9380]

"Help, 911. I need a paramedic. I've been stabbed by New Jack." "Okay before I connect your call, is this a shoot or a work?" "No, he didn't shoot me." "It's a work?" "No, he stabbed me. I'm going cold" "Well hit him and get your heat back." "Hold on, Jim is that you?"

[@positively_broad_st3780]

VKM didn't know about Moolah? He sure knew to pick her to screw over Wendy Richter...

[@michaelriley8879]

Yea, it's a work

[@pellajoe]

I grew up 1 street over from Moolah Drive. I remember seeing her and Mae all the time riding around in a 80s big body cadillac. Got an autograph 8x10 of both of them. Moolah loved buying lottery tickets from the Shell gas station on the corner.

[@chriskennedy783]

That's awesome

[@davec.3129]

Disgusting

[@tObito687]

thats the most 50+ year old white woman thing ive ever heard lmao. even with all the money she had she still went and got those lotto tickets.

[@paulschmick869]

I see a Fabulous Moolah movie in the future.

[@mantisxxx3656]

Who would you cast as Moolah?

[@paulschmick869]

@@mantisxxx3656 it would have to be someone, respectfully, who is heavily made up. It could possibly be the role of a lifetime.

[@deandrelblount6200]

Meryl Streep

[@_justinblizzle]

@@paulschmick869you know they’re just gonna put a bunch of makeup on Margot Robbie and send her out there hoping to snag another Oscar nomination like for ‘I, Tonya’ which to me would be of a similar vein flick. Only except Margot as Tonya was a girl misunderstood. Margot (or whoever lol) as Moolah would be the young hero who lived long enough to become the villain. And yes, I agree- it could be the role of a lifetime.

[@mikelucas6519]

Lol, "Tiny Tokyo, or whatever the fuck..."

[@sergedechantigny3756]

I love Jim, but that was pathetic to hear him twinkletoeing through that piece !

[@jimiaguirre8532]

this is why we shouldn't censor history.

[@timmutohfan]

the winners of the wars write the history books.

[@jimiaguirre8532]

tim mutohfan very true but when that was said there was no internet. A war might be won now, but its horrors will be viewed on tiny screens for all to see, uncensored.

[@cliftonsmith4013]

jimi aguirre thank you for your insight bro

[@UMOGrunt]

jimi aguirre Taking down confederate statues isn't censoring history downplaying the negatives of slavery and Jim Crow era laws is.

[@jimiaguirre8532]

UMOGrunt obviously your comment has nothing to do with my opinion, everyone who read my comment knew exactly what I was talking about, and it wasnt any point specifically. I was talking about more along the lines of keeping evil hidden. Bluring out war footage because its gross or bleeping out histories hate filled rants because it wasnt nice. The human collective needs to know its own potential for good and for evil. That cant happen unless all truth parameters are met. I don't think you're a racist but I also don't think you got my point have a nice day

[@texpatriot8462]

She was a horrible wrestler and person,

[@stevencooney761]

Tex Patriot her move set did suck.

[@anirudhcherukuricherukuri2453]

@Mike Jones Luna Vachon was forced to take photos for some random dude at the age of 16. Sweet Georgia Brown faced such a hard time with Moolah. There are so many cases of people talking about how she was a shit person. Sure she may have had to do bad things to survive. But that doesn't mean she's not rotting in hell. She is, and she completely deserves to rot there for eternity.

[@anirudhcherukuricherukuri2453]

@Mike Jones No shit against you for having an opinion. She seemed quite nice to me too. Here's a link for you to read. You don't need to change your opinion. Just read it.www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/84b2fe/in_light_of_the_controversy_surrounding_the/

[@madamefeast4824]

@Mike Jones Well that's neat that you disagree lol. What a comment. Oh, cool.

[@brettgesell4646]

As person yes but Wrestler no

[@SwanRonsonDonnyJepp]

I've actually heard of "Fillin the blank" . She got around a fair bit. Lol

[@HD-mm1iz]

Cornette is full of it, he knows the truth about Moolah. lol

[@So_Toasty]

...What is wrong with you guys? Jim never denied knowing the truth about her. He's talking about Stephanie's understanding of the situation and theorizing as to her motives or thoughts. Jim clearly says at the start most people from the older generations who were involved in the business, knew about Moolah.

[@RobwLPOC]

@@So_Toasty I don't get it though see my other post here for the link, 11 of her other students who lived and worked with her have all said this is just garbage

[@cidiose]

@@So_Toasty Jim always will embellish and sugarcoat the "good ol' days" for the sake of being the "good ol' days" out of his love and nostalgia for the era.

[@sowhazupguy]

Mae Young was the Cardi B of her time

[@MarzshallNo1]

are you high ??

[@sowhazupguy]

@@MarzshallNo1 yeah and I woke up with my stuff missing

[@GraveMemories]

@@sowhazupguy damn me too

[@NukeCaulfield]

Mildred Burke

[@lobolonewolf8824]

I actually looked forward to her wresting on the WWF card in the 70's. But I was still a kid.

[@tonymoretti2347]

Still no excuse

[@magicbus63]

Why Were Wrestlers Like Vicki Williams Or Sue Green Or Joyce Grable Never Given A Title Run!

[@Aphelion_k9f]

Because they wouldn't have been profitable champions.

[@saralemirande3504]

I think any of those 3 could have made a great champion BUT moolah had too much of an ego to let anyone else be a star over her

[@miccarter1403]

(3:33) lol it's called a "Mickey"

[@czhcustoms9987]

Cornett has been a god damn savage for years

[@davidholzer4155]

I didn't know that much about her history until the dark side of the ring episode

[@vicmartinoofficial331]

The Fabulous Moolah was not so fabulous. First of all besides not being a nice person to many she was not even a good wrestler at all! All she did for the most part was pull hair. Moolah had no good wrestling moves to speak of and had no wrestling skills at all! Moolah was woman's wrestling champion all those years because she was women's wrestling and refused to share the title with anyone else.

[@TheTrixster690]

She dropped the title 4 times during her reign.

[@dexterwooten7839]

Half of this audio is Jim stopping and stuttering.

[@AmateurHour1111]

The way this ends is amazing lol

[@dallasboys2898]

Goddamnit what episode is this

[@davidhume692]

Basically a shady promoter, standard. Love tne Mae Young mugging stories!

[@bryanpark2760]

Sweet old Mae mugging some poor slub.. crazy stuff.

[@terrymorgan211]

Moolah was a bad person for the things she did. So were the male Promotors/Managers who did the same things. Lets not have a double standard for women.

[@MrT571]

Hell, Verne was probably the guy who took the female wrestlers most seriously. He'd no more do that then Scrooge McDuck would.

[@arnabmukhopadhyay7078]

As big a scumbag she was, no one takes the trophy from Jack Pfefer (no not even Heyman)

[@scotcarr3390]

I honestly don't. Crap like that's as old as wrestling. Hell, as old as humankind. If Moolah DID do these things (& I suspect she did), it needs to be brought into the open. But wrestling's long been a patriarchy. Male promoters & talent still do this to an outrageous level. And, yeah, more of them (COUGH*McMahon*COUGH) needs to be addressed

[@scotcarr3390]

@keller blair Gagne? Don't know for sure & hardly a grumble about him by those in the know. McMahon? Dude's been charged w/sexual assault. Add to this the stories that are out there, & I have to say he needs to be investigated.

[@janesmith7676]

Who the hell said it was ok for men to do it? Do men have to brought up EVERY time we're discussing a woman doing bad things? Stop with the BS male feminist pandering. You certainly look too old to be doing to it get laid.

[@UNDERTAKER120596]

If you suffer don't make others do the same it is crime...

[@davec.3129]

Cornette defends Pat Patterson too. He's a devilish person. Sick

[@shizzygotitphilly]

I can listen too Cornette anytime . I blinge listen lol

[@billybadtoes]

Lol they all start out as little beavers but over time they end up being very big beavers

[@Mitch2GNAR]

who is the co host ?

[@randytrevor3807]

That feel when you think you're knowledgeable about wrestling and you listen to a Corney segment and get reminded you aren't 😢

[@tysontomko]

This has been 4 years ago damn!

[@scotcarr3390]

I only got to see Moolah at the tail end of her regular in- ring career (the Rock & Wrestling Connection) & honestly I never got her popularity as an attraction. Great heel character & could cut good promos. Played the "bitch" well, but Gail Kim she was not. Hell, she wasn't Aja Kong, Dump Matsumoto or YOSHIKO either. Do I believe the stories concerning her exploiting & screwing over her crew? Yeah, but Corney's accurate that a LOT of people in the business, male & female, did too. Doesn't make it right, but that came w/the territory at that time. Now, I DO hear people say Mae Young was nice & treated her colleagues w/ respect, in addition to being legitimately tough (taking a Bubba Ray table bomb at 90? I would NOT like to have done a shootfight w/her!). When the bad press hit the Moolah battle royal, WWE could've dodged complete embarrassment by sticking HER name on it! Hell, they could've thrown Wendy Richter's name on it as an apology for the "Spider Lady" screwjob!

[@Oldschool1943]

mae young and fabulous moolah was annoying af when they kept making appearances during the ruthless aggression era just soo many bad comedy skits that fell so fuckin flat. it doesn't surprise me that wwe wanted to name an event after moolah like the did with mae young

[@Danlows1]

El Virus Nagras cut her own arm off to get of of a wrecked car?!?! That is hardcore!

[@davidtroop173]

So the difference between Moolah and other promoters was?

[@marcuswalker6764]

Moolah pimped out the girls who were under her and doped them up and a lot of them were raped by these guys that she pimped them out to. That's A LOT worse than just getting the bigger split of the pot.

[@davidtroop173]

@@marcuswalker6764 Thank you,i didn't realize she was that damn demented.

[@stephen9778]

Right but that was done to moolah as well when she was coming up unfortunately that was common process in the 40s 50s 60s I'm not saying it's right but people only complain cause moolah was a woman and should of known better..

[@jeffreylasky2737]

Marcus Walker you don’t think old school promoters pimped out their young talent? Just look at Hollywood! They were better at pumping out young women than any wrestling promoter, including Moolah.

[@fighterck6241]

@@jeffreylasky2737 Don't get me wrong. We all know about Harvey and he was the tip of the spear. But people are calling that out too, that's why we know about it. Do you think the average American even knows who Moolah is? Because everyone knows about Weinstein. Maybe we can multitask and call them all out, no matter the industry without needing to resort to whataboutism to defend any of them. How about that?

[@lukemcinerny8220]

Having had an appendectomy I couldn't imagine the pain of having to take bumps shortly after surgery. There does seem something off about judging people by today's standards, especially when the person isn't around defend themselves, but Jimmy was fair tbh.

[@johnathanrush4666]

What's the Italian Stallion story he alludes to here

[@kevinbell1364]

Binge watching/listening to this during my covid 19 house arrest

[@kptyler5]

She reminds me of the madam that tried to kill walking tall Buford Pusser!!!! See the evil greedy glamorous ways in her eyes

[@lns2166]

Could Cornette say something about referees complitliy oversaleing and lating wrestlers look weak by a slow count

[@maxxdahl6062]

What?

[@lns2166]

My English isn`t the best

[@maxxdahl6062]

You aren't kidding. lol

[@shiningwizard202]

He’s asking if Cornette could address referees overselling and making wrestlers look weak with slow counts, I think.

[@maxxdahl6062]

Why shouldn't a ref oversell? They're refs.

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

Korny his quite the liberal To excuse Her like this. Pretty disgusting, pretty lame... the dude took quite a dive in my book. Ark

[@FerretJohn]

I've never been a fan of the online social media dweebs, they generally love to pick out little details of others activities, remove all the historical contexts, and throw shallow judgements mostly to the benefit of their own self-righteousness. Moolah was not a nice person, no denying that, no real defending it, and dedicating the womens battle royal to her was probably a mistake (though one already fixed). But you know what makes monsters? Usually other monsters. What if I told you Moolah's original name was closer to the truth than you'd ever like to know? Slave Girl Moolah, 16 years old and pretty, at the mercy of the wrestlers and promoters who expected her to earn her paychecks in other ways. Who do you turn to if you're in that situation? Family? If she had any worth anything she wouldn't have been Slave Girl Moolah. The police? In the 40s most police didn't consider Rape a crime unless the victim or her family were wealthy or connected or the alleged rapist was black, and they generally didn't care what happened between wrestlers and "carny folk" back then anyway. How long before you realize you can survive by either being content to be the Slave or resolve yourself to be the one holding the Leash? Again, not an excuse, Moolah's alleged actions have long surpassed any excuse, it's just the larger story

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Context - but what does it change? One can delve into the context, or choose to not - but it ultimately doesn't change anything - and it shouldn't right? You said it yourself you're not offering excuses or justification.

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

Fuck you, shill.

[@monsieurdubitatif8567]

@Anthony Oliver Parker euh, no, i'm showing my displeasure.

[@725slashbum]

@@monsieurdubitatif8567 Why? Because he has a valid point? He never once defended her being a monster. He called her a monster. You fucking child.

[@fighterck6241]

That attitude has become waaay too common these days. As in suffering people being content to be the ones holding leashes. Look at the mess politics is in these days and how many sellouts there are in the media. I can understand the impulse to save yourself and let the rest sort itself out, I get that. I'm just not sure I could look myself in the mirror the next day. At some point the cycle has to end. And if the victims keep turning into victimisers them maybe its on the rest of us to call them all out and let the rest sort itself.

[@johnpaulneanderthal2307]

Moolah still working ya

[@michaelzelazny6491]

You didn't mess with the moo!

[@Jameslfgsmith]

Rumor has it Moolah was a midwife for mother Mary…

[@corycybulski961]

Would she be a big money draw in the 2000s?

[@jermaineperry7527]

very amazing insightful informative historical society theme possible sad revealing pro wrestling fan business story

[@markfahley8553]

I hated it Moolah and Mae Young were disrespected and treated like a comedy act in their WWE days

[@davey3884]

Mae was 74 in 1997

[@immortalmp1720]

Ms lillian was my godmother and those women were pissed because they got cut loose. What they did in there free time was there business but lillian didnt allow men in her houses. You were there to train and pay your dues. If she promoted you and you got booked, she got her cut. Thats all it was. Like every promoter

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

Tell that to the women she SENT OUT for shows and these things happened.

[@TheTrixster690]

How was Moolah ? Just asking.