Jimmy vs Jason

The transition from Jimmy Zielinski to Jason Blundell was not as smooth as you may have thought.
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[@davidp137]

the fact that bludell made us destroy moon on Der eninsendrache just fits this narrative 😂

[@Azarath415]

But how would that work since on moon, we destroyed the Earth.. so are we not on Earth on DE? That's kinda the only thing that confuses me besides the chronicles maps

[@jarretrausch]

Competition is healthy, they both should’ve stayed. They would’ve balanced each other’s ideas quite well.

[@KjtheGreatPro]

Absolutely. Jimmy desgined kino and der riese but jason got the monkey bomb and the teleporters in the maps.

[@mikejefferson4534]

@@KjtheGreatProReally? It’s difficult to know who made what but I didn’t know it went as far back as Der Riese

[@ey1615]

@@mikejefferson4534yeah always thought Jason wasn’t part of the zombies team until BO2 and that the campaign was his occupation until then.

[@mikejefferson4534]

@@ey1615 I remember he mentioned being involved since COD 3 so it’s not too far fetched to imagine he had a hand in the mode back then. It’s hard to find concrete proof though.

[@jawley]

Either way they both contributed the best of the best to zombies and we can only hope teyarch comes close to this level of zombies again…

[@smitygamez9548]

A massive clash all because a shotgun's price was lowered slightly 🤣

[@matthewboyd8689]

Certainly pushed creativity even if it was born from toxicity it still blossomed into a beautiful flower.

[@braveboy1]

It's a bonus, the KRM for 750 points, pluss the KRM is powered when it gets packed, better then Brecci.

[@uzer141]

😂😂😂

[@Protofall]

How could I have not noticed that the Shotgun was the reason they couldn't peacefully co-exist? It all makes sense now!

[@DMTEntity88]

It does make sense you don’t hit the gym…

[@JavahFusion]

​@@DMTEntity88what easter egg do I need to solve to discover the meaning of this comment?

[@fagglebag]

@@DMTEntity88huh duh gym make you happy

[@CalixtoGarciaIniguez1898]

Regardless of their flaws, both of these men made zombies the way it is, for the best.

[@omoroburns2172]

I say give Jimmy a chance to redo his bo2 maps

[@Tomtainius]

I’m pretty hopeful that we’re gonna see Transit return as a new map in Gulf War.

[@bradleyokane]

Mate just play the Tranzit Remaster on BO3 customs that Verk0 is working on when it's released and don't buy the next cod 👍

[@it2spooky4me79]

​@@bradleyokaneidk about that, since he's working on that and a special project, it'll be some time before it's released. Probably best thing to do is either wait for gameplay and reviews of the next COD, or if you have gamepass just get it from there.

[@killianmccluff36]

@@bradleyokanebro what’s the best setup to get custom zombies for PC. I’ve been on console all my life.

[@timmy6402]

​@@bradleyokaneyea like we all have a pc

[@deso2]

wow i thought i knew a lot about zombies since i poured thousands of hours into in the past 10 years. first time learning about the pump action shotty changes. pretty neat

[@Group-935]

Same...

[@cheesymcnuggets818]

Jimmy V Jason: Dawn of Justice

[@rogantoad2571]

Obviously jimmy is way better Jason ran zombies into the ground

[@christian.xavier.villagran]

@@rogantoad2571lol I love this opinion, because it is completely false. Regardless of how terrible bo4 was. Bo3 is still the best zombies experience to date. so keep crying 😭

[@rogantoad2571]

@@christian.xavier.villagran Yh but he still ran zombies into the ground Icl bo3 was only good cos of the maps jimmy made were remastered the only good maps Jason done on bo3 was SoE and der eisendrache so please sit down people like you who r the reason round based classic style zombies isn’t back. Ur people like u r killing cod u muppet

[@rogantoad2571]

@@christian.xavier.villagran bro don’t tell me it’s false there was two good maps Jason made in bo3 soe and der eisendrache the rest were trash. The reason bo3 is so good is because jimmy maps were remastered into it. So technically bo3 is good because of jimmy. So keep crying ur the reason cod zombies now is in the shitter cos u support this BS

[@christian.xavier.villagran]

@@rogantoad2571 lol what a baby keep crying, jason is at fault for making bo4 the way it was mechanic wise and jimmy was at fault for making bo2 zombies such a pointless experience, (that almost made most players forget about until MOTD came out) but don’t worry their going to remaster your shitty maps way better than your jimmy ever could on a game that was made and produced with the intention of longevity. Black ops 3 A GAME THAT WILL NEVER DIE. Thanks jason

[@mistermoose-2926]

If we’re trying to see how good the next cod zombie game will be, we need to find out the shotgun wallbuy costs as soon as possible

[@DMTEntity88]

Go hit the gym

[@mistermoose-2926]

@@DMTEntity88 I’m on it dog, thanks for keeping me motivated

[@score5724]

@@mistermoose-2926 now you just spawn in with it

[@a.monach7602]

2:47 not to mention placing the Remington as the introduction to the chalk mechanic. The Jimmy way is one of the first thing you'll see. The Denizen SFX when the directors get axed kills me. Unrelated, but I'm starting to like how sometimes these videos seem to end on an unnerving note. I'm guessing that's the abandoned Die Maschine, referencing the next Treyarch Zombies director.

[@koltonlomas7111]

I can't believe the whole reason that Jimmy was kicked off of lead developer was because of a shotgun argument

[@xandalf64]

So true omg

[@Texasvu]

And the winner is.... Craig Houston.

[@tobos8909]

Jimmy listened to the community and based the zombies storyline heavily on fan speculation and allowed fans to come to their own conclusions, Jason butchered the zombies storyline into a perpetually self retconning clusterfuck which used a multiverse to plug plot holes

[@ColeKennedyonYT]

Agree

[@heebiejeebies4625]

Agree

[@someoneelse5209]

Disagree. I'm sorry but to say Jason "butchered" the storyline is a little ridiculous. Did it become convoluted? Absolutely, but at the same time, basing your story off of fan speculation is not inherently a good thing, and honestly, it's not even a good idea. Jimmy had a 'less convoluted' story (which is not to say by very much), and maybe you might think he had the "better" story, but he absolutely had the worse *storytelling* of the two. Just straight up. And there's a big difference between the those two concepts: having a good story, and how that story is told. Say what you want, but Jason made the zombies story not only more interesting (or just as), but way more accessible. Jason thought ahead of the community, took people on a rollercoaster of actual uncertainty like any good storyteller would. He gave us fresh takes on the characters with more depth, somewhat relatable motivations, and told the narrative in such a more linear fashion, that even if you didn't know the ins and outs of the all mayhem, the average person could at least grasp the basics of where the narrative was, and maybe where it could be headed. All that while still keeping you guessing and going against expectations. You don't get maps with finales of the likes of DE, Gorod, Origins, or even the emotional depths of the Blood of the Dead by just vaguely making things up as you go along, and piggyback off your own audience. This isn't to say Jimmy didn't provide a special experience. Jimmy's way was unique, out there, and made you feel like you were part of a special few who was in on something no one else knew about. But Jason provided a richness and spectacle to the narrative that was objectively more rewarding to see through.

[@idontgotagun9867]

@@someoneelse5209All that just to cope

[@someoneelse5209]

@@idontgotagun9867quintessential Tik tok brain, Npc response.

[@BunnyTwist]

MoTD through Origins were the best maps ever in my opinion, and I imagine it was because they were fueled by this rivalry, honestly I’d love for them to have two developers compete with each other like this again and see if it produces good maps again instead of the shit we’ve been getting for like 7-8 years

[@recklesstactics4718]

Origins is boring. I shouldn't need to read a damn history book to enjoy a simple game of zombies.

[@lucas169]

I doubt that they were fuelled by rivalry. Zombies has always been worked on by multiple people / teams. Blundell worked on Der Riese. Raven Software developed Shangri La. Jimmy did the voice of evil Samantha for the Origins trailer according to CodenamePizza.

[@zEliazar]

@@recklesstactics4718bro what

[@crickcrackcricketycrack5501]

​@@recklesstactics4718I agree. But more to do with the layout of the map. Just was never fun to play on. I tried so many times over the years to get into origins but it's still never clicked with me. The generators being attacked every few rounds was so tedious too

[@Deadpool....]

​@@zEliazar kinda agree with him, the older i get the less i wanna play maps that require me to memorize alot of things just to get set up. I remember sam annoying me in origins for not doing the main quest

[@JujuInFlames]

Imma be honest, if this was like an hour long I’d watch the whole thing. Great commentary

[@badatit576]

Blundell killed zombies by shifting the core gameplay loop away from survival and towards questing

[@PriestlyBlock67]

He killed it by making the most popular zombies installment of all time and holding all the top 10 fan favorites lmao gtfo

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

⁠​⁠@@PriestlyBlock67BO4 is not the most popular Zombies instalment of all time on any sane person's ranking

[@bldontmatter5319]

Yeah, for 2 maps, and then he made absolute garbage like shadows of evil, which no one even wanted to play on launch. The guy was a visionary, but killed the core gameplay ​@@PriestlyBlock67

[@nelsonr12]

@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786I think he’s referring to Bo3 not 4

[@arkthegreenwolfx3627]

much like how Resident Evil 4 was both the best thing and worst thing to happen to the Resident Evil series, the same can be said for Black Ops 3 for the COD Zombies series

[@Siegfriedneo]

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@tinybot777]

I wish that they could have worked together and had different maps be made by the different director so they all felt different in a way because they had their own styles and also Jimmy mostly perks and pap and Jason made zombies more storyline so they both had their impact and I'm happy they exist lol

[@VesperEm]

This may be a joke video but everything you said makes perfect sense and this should be the accepted narrative

[@epyons8411]

I need a Jimmy interview about his time on zombies.

[@OmegaRejectz]

What an unfortunate tale.

[@karolclark791]

I find it so sad that both their careers suffered the same fate. Absolute bangers at the begging them one game where they fuck up and bye bye. I do think that if they were given another chance they would've made a strong comeback

[@fredster594]

Zielinski at least ended with a banger ass map with Buried, so I'll give him that.

[@corralzin4909]

Buried is fucking boring garbage it’s piss easy and has no purpose it’s so pointless to play you may as well forget it exists

[@davemac9563]

Jimmy only had two bad maps but at least ended on a high note with Buried. Blundell messed up an entire game with bad gameplay decisions and wasn’t even a part of the final two maps so much.

[@crickcrackcricketycrack5501]

​@@corralzin4909BOREied is indeed a very boring map

[@xpandahangoverx]

@@crickcrackcricketycrack5501 cry, DLC sales say otherwise

[@PallatonDash]

This isn’t satire, this is canon

[@giuuxp]

You can see the direction jason was pointing to right from the beginning. He gave us op gun next to spawn in origins and that brought to having a loadout system. I personally think he had to find a point in the middle

[@the_seer_0421]

Since when is the Remington "op"?

[@frankkennedy6388]

I feel bad for Jimmy that he had to take from Jason just to make one of his best maps. Don't get me wrong, Jason had better ideas on innovating the mode, but I liked Jimmy's mentality of keeping Zombies fun, over making Everything a "try-hard" questline.

[@rute_awakening]

Another interesting thing about shotguns in early Jason maps is how close together the wallbuys for them are. There are 2 wallbuys for the remington in MOTD, one in the showers, and the other one is literally 2 rooms away in the top section of the tunnel area. Then, in shadows of evil there's a KRM wallbuy right outside spawn in that main area, and the other KRM is right above spawn on the way to Nero's ritual site. I don't know why he likes putting the same shotgun wallbuys so close to each other but he's done it at least twice that I know of.

[@aceven2raa]

Small correction: Mob was not Jason's first map. The first Blundell map was all the way back in WAW, Der Riese!

[@bldontmatter5319]

That was NOT a blundell map. It was a combination map, with the two working together.

[@choco-une]

Bo3 zombies was the final nail to the coffin

[@the_seer_0421]

Man you are so dramatic for no reason

[@choco-une]

@@the_seer_0421 you’re the one who sounds like a girl

[@bldontmatter5319]

​@@the_seer_0421it's the final screwup, just like you.

[@JadonKaiser]

I really hope Kevin Drew lives up to these guys. I feel like CW zombies was a good first game. I feel like he did a good job of fixing the things people didn't like about BO4 and making it feel more like a zombies game (Juggernog, Speed Cola, Normal guns that do damage past round 15... unlike in bo4).

[@bldontmatter5319]

Bro, nobody cares past bo3. The community is revisiting bo1/waw and nobody else cares about these new games

[@JadonKaiser]

@@bldontmatter5319 Everybody's revisiting old games because we haven't had a real one since 2020.

[@EthanDornton]

This story jumps around a lot.

[@bigp_YT]

Much love to Jimmy and Jason for their contributions to zombies, black ops 1 through 3 are some of my favorite gaming experiences.

[@Group-935]

3:27 That part killed me! 😂 I don't know why... Also, I prefer Jimmy. His maps were more relaxed. Not as many side quest and easter eggs. Just load into the map and get to shooting. His ideas were pretty cool in Tranzit and such. But they needed work. And they were limited by the PS3 and 360s RAM. 500Mbs compared the XB1 and PS4s 8GBs of RAM. Yep... It's a miracle they were able to work on those consoles for as long as they did. I also prefered Jimmy's story. My favorite theory from back then in WaW and BO1. Is that we were in a time loop. Hence the infinite zombies, and characters not remembering anything on the start of a new game. The end goal for each map was to break the loop. That would've been such an awesome story if they kept it. A lot better than Jason's Multiverse stuff. That was a mess.

[@fagglebag]

It’s funny because that’s actually one part of Blundell’s story I liked. The characters’ big goal in MOTD and then BO3 Zombies is to “break the cycle”. As in, stop dying to zombies and finally move on. It was a cool meta idea to include in the story.

[@DrMonty-yr1kc]

Time loop? …Hmmmmmm who’s gonna tell him? Lol

[@Group-935]

@@DrMonty-yr1kc What do you mean? The main story is not a time loop, but a multiverse, and alternate timeline stories. Not really about time loops. The only time I can recall there being a time loop story within zombies that was obvious to me, just in my immediate memory, was maybe... Die Rise? That was the only time where it was kind of official and a main focus of the maps story... Everything else? Nah... It was different. Pretty sure... Oh! And I guess Mob Of The Dead. But, eh? I don't actually know. I never really played Zombies for the lore anyways. It was always the gameplay for me.

[@ALph4ZeR00]

​@@Group-935 it was a time loop brother. The ending of BO4 is Nikolai destroying the loop by killing himself and his friends so that Eddie and Sam would live a normal life in a universe without Zombies.

[@Group-935]

@@ALph4ZeR00 Oh? Hmm... Okay then. Thanks for helping me here. I genuinely didn't know. That other guy wasn't helping either. So, thank you. Peace.

[@heebiejeebies4625]

While Blundell might have had the best maps in the series, he also made maps that were objectively worse than Jimmy's worst ones. I think people tend to forget that.

[@fredster594]

Jason has worse maps than Tranzit and Die Rise? lmao.

[@heebiejeebies4625]

@@fredster594 Alpha omega, voyage, and blood are easily worse

[@Animedumptruck]

​@@fredster594BO4 is garbage cope

[@choco-une]

@@fredster594die rise and tranzit are unironically better than most maps post-Bo3 lmao

[@joshuakincaid8238]

The main issue I have with Jason blundell is that every single map that he makes is so Easter egg heavy to the point where you have to do fifteen steps just to turn on the power. You can never just have a casual zombies experience any more with him and his maps. I liked Jimmy's maps because they were simple and effective. I liked the early maps that Jason did with bo 2 like Origins or even Mob was pretty cool at times. But ultimately, it just requires a lot of steps. It only got worse in bo3. I genuinely didn't like most of those maps because of how much stuff you had to do. Sometimes I like to have a load in and go type map. Something simple I can get into.

[@Marcosss-7-years-ago]

3:25 the trophy system😂

[@BasedRedpilledMasterJ]

Man I just wish developers were as passionate about their work and community now as they were back then. Game development nowadays has risen in some aspects while having completely fallen off in others and when I say fallen off I mean hit the ground while falling from orbit. Great commentary!

[@Exton_Z1]

Often it’s AAA publishers that pushes the developers to rush the game

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

History repeats itself. An auteur, full of himself, leads a great first game and absolutely kills it with the next. Absolute power makes you an absolute buffoon.

[@sambesiili4698]

My only problem with JZ was his distaste for solo players, it was the reason why i haven't completed all BO1 & BO2 easter eggs.

[@bldontmatter5319]

Play on PC and do them solo with mods. It's possible now.

[@davemac9563]

@@sambesiili4698 to be fair, zombies was very co-op heavy back in the day. You rarely saw people online play alone because we all wanted to help each other play a higher round. But sadly the social element has been taken away by the climate of modern gaming, and people just being on their phones with little social engagement

[@BlueJayWaters]

I clicked on this video because my brother is named Jimmy and mine is Jason.

[@modskillslebon]

Jimmy every day of the week and twice on sunday

[@liltoad9050]

Jimmy gave us to zombies, Jason improved upon it

[@fredster594]

Not just improved it, he was the one who actually made it good. Zielinski era was mediocre at best and ranged from around 3-6 out of 10 while Blundell on the other made the mode into a masterpiece and most if not all his maps ranged from 8-10 out of 10. Anyone who says otherwise are just nostalgic people who can't comprehend that Zombies has changed since 2011. "Oh but Blundell killed Zombies with BO4." Yeah but Zielinski almost killed the mode with BO2 and had almost zero redeeming qualities whereas the worst BO4 maps are still a thousand times better than any of the WaW & BO1 maps. It's just that people had such high expectations coming off the success of BO3 that made people resent BO4 Zombies.

[@dh3913]

@@fredster594 "whereas the worst BO4 maps are still a thousand times better than any of the WaW & BO1" No.

[@killianmccluff36]

@@fredster594absolutely incorrect. Even the worst bo2 maps were better than bo4. And that perk system Jesus Christ.

[@illusionOGz]

Pretty much yeah, Jimmy crawled so that Jason could run

[@illusionOGz]

@@fredster594cotd, five, shangri-la and moon are better than any bo4 map.

[@Hawkem68]

The denizen killing Jason at the end cracked me up

[@ZombieNausea]

Damn this was rough. I feel like it needed to be said , though so good job. I didn't know any of this.

[@vooshoos]

Chaos didnt kill zombies, it was just activision making devs move onto another project and giving us a shitty ending AGAIN.

[@killer_ice2005]

They should of stick with chaos and end aether with bo3 or could of been cold war but people are the ones who ruiend it saying they wanted the aether story back

[@AidanNorton]

Jason’s ideas were just reworked Jimmy ideas. At least with the buildables, Jason just made quality of life improvements. After life is just a rework of who’s who’s. I could go on

[@ridiqul]

We need jimmy back so badly

[@zz_risky_zz]

Jimmy > jason

[@fredster594]

Objectively wrong. Take the L.

[@killianmccluff36]

@@fredster594nah not really. Take Jim’s story compared to Jason’s.

[@fredster594]

@@killianmccluff36 Jim's era barely explained anything clearly, making it impossible to care nor understand any of it. The only decent story that Zielinski was responsible for were Der Riese and Moon, but he was also responsible for the garbage Victis storyline. Mob of The Dead, Origins and BO3, or hell just Mob alone shits on anything story wise that WaW and BO1 or god forbid Victis had.

[@killianmccluff36]

@@fredster594 the whole BO1 story shits on everything in BO3. And mob is only one map so while it’s good it doesn’t have the substance that a whole game has. Origins was good but that basically banked on the same story as Jim’s.

[@tobos8909]

​@@fredster594That was the point - BO1 allowed the player to speculate and come to their own conclusions, BO3 just treated you like an idiot and spoon fed you the story. Constant forced exposition which would become the rotten core of almost all modern Cod campaigns.

[@jocastadidntknew5980]

Real talk: I love all of the maps, but I definitely prefer Jason’s take more. It just kind of speaks to me in every way.

[@NotNykoh]

MOTD and Origins were great but Zelinski’s prime in BO1 is untouchable to me

[@laserdisc7768]

Let’s be honest, Jason ruined Black ops four zombies

[@Iobsterpeterson]

Blundell didn't ruin BO4 Zombies. Treyarch higher ups and Activision ruined BO4 Zombies.

[@laserdisc7768]

@@Iobsterpeterson I thought they let Jason in charge of zombies

[@CactusInsane]

​@laserdisc7768 it's more both sides of the coin. Blundell ruined Zombies in general and made it sway away from casuals. Activision ruin it by making it a cash cow and being money hungry. Treyarch ruined it by appealing more to hardcores and getting rid of all the key staff who played a viable role in zombies. Also I'd you remember, Blundell left Treyarch before his final map, Ancient Evil, was released and Treyarch abandoned Bo4 to work on Cold War after Ancient Evil. Leaving Activision Shanghai to work on BO4 and tried fixing it. Which is funny because Treyarch took half of their Staff when Cold War wasn't panning out well in production. So overall both sides had part to play. However the real MVP of the story, despite losing half their staff to Treyarch, is Activision Shanghai for Finishing BO4, Fixing all the game breaking bugs, reworking the mechanics, making the game less grinding post launch, added the modifiers for achieving 4 Perks with speed cola, and adding the right amount of improvements to help stability.

[@Iobsterpeterson]

@@CactusInsaneI don't think Zombies needs to appeal to casuals. It's an arcade horde mode. By its very nature, it's supposed to be hard. Complexity? Sure, you can argue that complexity wasn't the right move, but I would happily choose that over what we have now.

[@davemac9563]

@@Iobsterpeterson black ops 4 was made for the small hardcore player base. Who the hell would figure out how to get pack a punch on dead of the night, ancient evil, and blood of the dead without looking it up? Exactly

[@RandoManFPV]

Yo I just gotta say I been playing the finals on new Gen consoles and the smoke/dust in that game is next level. Entirely changes how I view smoke in video games. If we had ps5/Xbox quality smoke/dust/fog then transit could have an incredible atmosphere and actually be a really good map.(other flaws aside)

[@USIG]

At the end both got game-ended by Kotick

[@jwest444]

i cant imagine what black ops 2 could have been if Jason was in charge from the start

[@thee2724]

Blundell's first map was Der Riese though

[@AndyMacs]

Best case scenario would have been both working together to play to each other’s strengths. Neither were perfect, but both had a lot to contribute

[@PriestlyBlock67]

Had us in the first half lmao

[@0Stark24]

Kevin Drew save us

[@VOLDGAMER1]

Both have there ups and downs, jimmy had more simple maps but where very ambitious, jason had very confusing maps but where very story driven.

[@yarghhargh9345]

Why didnt they keep both of them and then just alternate?

[@VOLDGAMER1]

@@yarghhargh9345 no clue.

[@koldwore]

i need more

[@Exton_Z1]

3:28 lmao

[@jorge9142011]

Everyone forget that. Mob of the dead. Was actually the campag team who built this. Not the zombie team. They overall looked at it. But it was mostky built other team.

[@Spluub]

bro you need SO MANY MORE VIEWS like damn A+ tier content but no views or subs

[@recklesstactics4718]

Jimmy Zielinski's worst maps are better than Blundells best blunders

[@kxjab]

Zombies really suffered from how good Blundell made BO3. They had to be so ambitious for BO4, and it just didn't pan out how they wanted it to. I think it's time for a Jimmy Z return...

[@iMThatOnlyBeast13]

Very interesting story. I think I prefer Jimmy’s maps because I like simple classic maps

[@fredster594]

Oh boy cannot wait for the nostalgic 2011 BO1 contrarians in the comment section...

[@aqibfreed4672]

Jimmy the goat !. If tranzit was on ps4 it would have been the best map

[@datderpderping501]

Jimmy was better tbh. The WaW-Bo1 maps are still the best and Jason only good maps were Mob and Shadows of Evil.

[@kfaughter4350]

Bro hates origins. If ur bad at the game just say that

[@datderpderping501]

@@kfaughter4350 Bad at going in circles...? Bro has not been to high rounds and it shows. Bo1 maps were tougher. Fkn casuals

[@GodFatherNPC]

Jason in Bo2 and Bo3 was the final boss

[@mangekyotashi]

Jimmy, always Jimmy, Jason ruined Zombies, fight me

[@braydenshetrompf8764]

Bo3 was great, and bo4 had good maps, I do agree jimmy might have been better in the long run, cuz Jason set the trend for all the bad games after bo4…

[@the_seer_0421]

I won't fight idiots because there is no point in that, thank you very much

[@bobdeinterlace]

As much as I love Origins, Mob and Buried I also don't care for anything that came after it. I think alternating between the "epic storyline driven tryhard quest completion" Jason maps and the "just shoot stuff and have fun WAW/BO1 style, also you can't do the easter eggs on solo cause fuck you" Jimmy maps worked well. They both needed the competition and giving Jason full control to come up with his shitty multiverse storyline was a mistake.

[@erikevertsen7783]

Great video!

[@colinothebambino]

This is true. I was there

[@liltropwen]

So your telling the me greatest storyline / maps in the cod zombies series was made out of pettiness? Is this real?

[@braveboy1]

Jimmy did good from the start, Jason did good to the end.

[@mikejefferson4534]

BO4 was good?

[@braveboy1]

@@mikejefferson4534 Nah like the end as Bo3.

[@matercheff]

Jimmy is the goat he had trouble near the end he reached for too much for the hardware at the time. Jason had great maps but had much more to work off of. Reason why I like jimmy more is the story was way more coherent Jason added multiverses which was great but it really took away from a sci-fi alternate history themed game

[@theangryimp1345]

I would like to say i actually liked the style in bo2 and his last map is my favourite. Mob is amazing but its also always the same over and over again.

[@briskalliance3219]

WE MISS YOU JIMMY!!! 🫠zombies isn’t the same!

[@Ehrenfried2740]

Jimmy > Jason One was a real zombies guy, the other a sell out. Jason sold his soul to the company and brought us every shitty trend into zombies. Aliens, multiverse all what was trendy at the time... Aphophycon bullshit or what they are called.. Stupid as hell... Jimmy made grounded zombies. Not some bullshit alien creature shit to sell bundles... Thats why I call Jason blunder or jason bundle. Because he was in just for money.

[@آلمدريدي-ت7س]

Both better than Kevin drew

[@MichaeIKay]

lamo this is gold

[@AJREMINGTON85]

Fucking ego’s man, got the best of them because now zombies got worse without these two present.

[@christopherjesusariaschump4215]

so, jason is the villian in this history?

[@reidlindsey4838]

Nice vid brah

[@valexcx]

Both were good but I hated how the storyline became so intricate

[@dariusdafigga]

I don’t like what blundell did to the storyline but you can’t argue his maps were definitely more fun than Zelinski’s

[@Blackoah]

The thing with Jimmy is that he’s into more science fiction while Blundell is more fantasy minded. I respect both but when you look into conspiracies of ww2 and history in general (ie Tunguska, Agartha, all of the alleged occultism of the Axis powers) Jimmy clearly did his homework. You’ll never see these themes in a AAA game again. Jason blundell kind of washed over these ideas with more fantastical aspects.

[@FrankieH-79]

Jimmy could’ve done magic stuff with new gen consoles, but jason is overall just better….

[@ImpalingWire]

i hate what blundell did to zombies. every map has to have a fuckin stupid easter egg that EVERYONE wants to do instead of just playing the map

[@roniin9921]

Sounds like you can't use your brain for too long. The old school zombies was fun don't get me wrong but gets boring really quick. And blundell zombies, there's alwys something to do to keep the game fun

[@OmegaRejectz]

I mean, maybe Zelinski shouldn't have made the buildable system so horrendous.

[@ethanhayes3474]

Thank you. Jason dropped the ball so fucking hard it’s body even funny

[@fredster594]

@@ethanhayes3474 Zielinski dropped it even harder considering how god awful BO1 gun mechanics were and how genuinely vile and hot garbage all of his maps were in BO2. Blundell hasn't made a single bad map and the only reason why people didn't like his BO4 run were because of budget cuts and because people had extremely high expectations after BO3.

[@fredster594]

@@roniin9921 Ratio the OP's ass.

[@ZombieNausea]

Zombies '24 or bust! Bo3 forEVER!

[@deso2]

is the shotgun price change beef real??

[@luisito_a-1463]

Imo zombies got worse the more they seemed to focus in story over aesthetic n gameplay, nvr been a fan of the whole multiverse magic bs, and all these bs setups u gotta do for every map now. And tranzit was only taken bad cuz the consoles at the time couldn't handle it, n nuketown n die rise was trying new stuff that added a good challenge. Bo3 had no challenge, just annoying steps

[@isaacjeterphotography]

I actually enjoyed the victis cree the most. Too bad they are generally hated

[@iam_747]

Jimmy was screwed over so badly, TranZit should've been delayed and released on BO3.

[@bartzacky9639]

Nah, Tranzit should’ve been scaled back if Jimmy just wasn’t too ambitious

[@deslardesslok]

9:38p.m. 3/2/2024

[@crispcoffee7958]

They took the shotgun wall buys out of the the chronicles maps also. This is the type of pettiness that makes me glad the zombies mode went to shit. Bunch of woke losers

[@the_seer_0421]

Huh?

[@kjsenn]

what

[@theangryimp1345]

Alsoni do actually think the bo3 stuff took zombies too seriously and it lost its character

[@yoseufsalih5982]

😢😢😢black ops2

[@ethanhayes3474]

Jason maps are hot garbage. I’m not sorry. Maybe I don’t wanna mud wrestle Jesus himself just to open the 1st door. He made the lore over complicated and bland with the generic “it’s the aliens” concept.

[@Protofall]

Plus the multiverse concept feeling cheap. "I went to dimension 1337 and killed my younger self. It was sad". ok.

[@fredster594]

@@Protofall BO3's Zombies lore is masterfully executed in every way, you're just being a contrarian now or another WaW/BO1 fanboy. The only reason why the multiverse concept feels cheap to you is because that concept is overused to death nowadays.

[@Protofall]

@@fredster594No, even back then I didn't like the multiverse stuff, or the lovecraftian or the god stuff. Jason's story revolves around gods manipulating humans (Which takes away part of their accountability), and the humans trying to "make a better future". Jimmy's story was about the corruption of humanity, where you play as either morally grey or actually bad people (We love Ultimis Richtofen and Nikolai's quotes, but you can't deny they were evil). Jimmy's story felt more grounded, but also enjoyed being goofy, whereas Jason's was more serious, larger than humanity and also tried to re-paint previous grey or bad characters as good (e.g. Retconning Nikolai's wives, ignoring that the WaW bios say the Ultimis crew always did bad things, etc). Jason's story isn't bad in a vacuum, I just don't like how we went from Jimmy's fascinating story, to one that went in a different direction. The Chaos story, however, is better than Jason's Aether story because those stories share a lot in common, but Chaos was made for it. There was no "Jimmy Chaos story" to compare against so Jason's Chaos stands on its own two feet. That said, I still do like some of Jason's Aether stuff. I like Zetsubou No Shima, and MOTD was definitely needed during that phase of BO2 (Even though I liked Die Rise). And there's Jimmy stuff I don't like, such as the lost potential of Tranzit, starting the "pHD Flopper being OP" thing and most easter eggs requiring multiple or even 4 people.

[@killianmccluff36]

@@fredster594no bringing in gods and alien monsters is just shit and unrealistic. And don’t say something stupid like zombies aren’t realistic.

[@fredster594]

@@killianmccluff36 Ah yes, I totally play CoD Zombies for realism. You do realize that the Zielinski era had a ton of fantasy elements too right? The apothicons was already established lore during BO1. Blundell just pushed more for it because the Zielinski maps did a shit job at explaining and showing any of it which made his maps boring as a result. Killing just Zombies enemies becomes a chore eventually.

[@hellinik70]

Didn't Blundell leave and not redacted?