Best Dirt eBike under $4K: SurRon X vs Segway X260

Battle of the sub $4k dirt ebikes! In this video I meet with Seth to learn about his electric dirt bikes and why I should get an e-dirt bike. We compare the Sur Ron X with the Segway X260 electric dirt bikes and we go over why you should consider getting an electric dirt bike over an internal combustion engine dirt bike.
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[@rod7407]

I would just add as well, which wasn't made clear in the video, that the throttle response and power can be fine tuned from low/medium/high via the app. It's not just unlock/lock power. Additionally you can turn on/off the brake sensor through the app, check battery levels, range, track rides etc. Secondly, the Segway can be bought with free shipping so the price difference for many people is just over $200 to get all these additional features. Great video Jimmy! love the onewheel as well :)

[@dat4151]

200 dollars for an app.

[@justanrcchannel5677]

@@dat4151 I think it’s worth it🤷🤷

[@JustinCzujko]

It's now more than a $200 difference even with shipping. Bummer, I wish the Segway was cheaper, I would have bought it instead of the Sur Ron. But I'm very happy with my purchase! (2020 Sur Ron X) 🙂

[@ifarted6422]

@@JustinCzujko Costco is selling them right now for $69 free shipping

[@andrewah15]

That’s really great that you’ve used the CHiPs soundtrack! Nice one! 👍🏾

[@andymtb5714]

Haha yeah I noticed it too!

[@nymetsfan912]

That jump on the unicycle was unreal!!

[@allencristobal6336]

Great video explaining the difference between those two bikes. I just got an Onyx, but I also want a SurRon. I want ALL of them.

[@cesfab7602]

i just test rode the onyx today. def wanna try one of these now.. how u liking the onyx so far?

[@virtualgamingnexus4031]

PERFECT comparison, thanks Jimmy Chang!

[@paulawestcott7228]

Well rounded video now I know the one for me. Thanks.

[@exaltedstinger1431]

Sur Ron for days. I'm 6'3 and had to do some aftermarket upgrades to fit on it better, and it's the best money I have ever spent! Great video

[@moton410]

You cant do the same upgrades to the Segway? Arent they the same bike with same components? Brakes, forks and what not?

[@exaltedstinger1431]

@@moton410 I'm sure you could, with minor differences. I have a couple custom-fabricated parts for the Sur Ron that probably wouldn't fit properly on the X260. I also got the 'X Edition', new, that came with the upgraded controller arm and some other accessories for a few hundred dollars less than the cost of a stock Segway X260. I'm sure the X260 is nearly identical but the better deal at the time was the Sur Ron.

[@moton410]

@@exaltedstinger1431 how or where did you get your bike with the upgraded stuff? Im looking to buy one today or tomorrow and want to make sure I get the the best bang for the buck. Thank you for any info. Really do appreciate it.

[@exaltedstinger1431]

@@moton410 This was ordered directly from the company, Luna Cycle, right at the beginning of the pandemic and the X Edition was $3,600 before shipping. If you check now, the same bike is $4,100 before shipping. It's still worth every penny. Their website has a number of upgrades and add-ons that won't break the bank. eBay and Amazon carry some accessories that fit the bike well, like light upgrades, side mirrors, handlebar protectors, new pegs, etc. I also got side armor that covers the bike, making it look like a motorcycle, which was purchased from a KZbinr who fabricated it himself.

[@moton410]

@@exaltedstinger1431 would you know the youtuber who did the armor? Id like to see it. Thank you.

[@theknifedude1881]

If I hadn’t already bought the SurRon (which I love) I’d probably go with the Segway,for ease of tuning. I was watching a video of the SurRon and oohing and ahing and (I already had an Onyx on order through Indiegogo) and my wife said “if you like it so much get one”. Not wanting to offend the wife I did! I got one of the last Red SurRons. The day after I got the SurRon I got a phone call asking where I wanted the RCR dropped off. I sold the Onyx. Nothing wrong with it but the SurRon was just more fun, the suspension was better tuned for my weight(#130), and it just looked like it would age better. Thanks for the videos/information.

[@victoe5780]

Seth’s wife sounds like a keeper. If I purchased a Sur Ron and showed my wife, she would freak out.

[@bikesnbeerz]

Seth! Superb idea about the peddle angle.

[@virtualgamingnexus4031]

@@eRideLife That's hella smart!

[@freshlycharged]

Give this video a thumbs up if you are old enough to recognize the music in this video!

[@protovision2010]

Jon and Ponch! :)

[@bikesnbeerz]

Old(er) but I didn't recognize it. Still TU. :)

[@chachinator100]

C.H.I.P.S

[@Ubberwun]

Great choice on song. You short changed it though. Please do a video with the whole song and you guys zooming around.

[@kushalphoenix1]

Excellent! I needed my husband to help me get it together. I like to do things myself but other than that it’s PERFECT!

[@carrisasteveinnes1596]

Yes, I recognised the Knight Rider theme at the very end. Yes, I am that old. 44. Got me an Aussie made Stealth E-Bike. Insane machine.

[@jamesblunt1915]

That was the Chips theme song

[@brandondavis3866]

Awsome information!!

[@SheriffofYouTube]

great guest. the guy is a unicycle god

[@OcculiMortis]

Those look awesome. And yes, know and love the show as well as both versions of the theme song.

[@Mosquito3314]

really good review. Making want to get one soo bad

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks! Much appreciated!

[@ds-1111]

Knowing how bad companies are at maintaining their software over time, I almost want to get the SurRon so years from now I don't have to run an app on some emulator or old phone just to adjust settings because they dropped app support.

[@Rungunseattacos]

Actually a really good point.

[@boredaf6332]

not to mention that its very easy ourdays to trick an app. with the right software everybody can start your bike, i assume thats not possible with the SurRon

[@theknifedude1881]

Didn’t think of that when I posted my other comment. Thanks.

[@TJackSurvival]

Smart

[@17PAT17]

Never thought of that

[@bryanharness1122]

I've had my surron for over a year. Such a fun vehicle. Its what I sold my onewheel to get. Best ebike ever. Upgraded controller and battery. Badass. Enjoy. Oh and segway is same as surron besides the phone app. If your changing up controller none of it matters. Go surron!

[@McRemmyBaby]

Wtf is a controller, man it never ends

[@dominicburrows7317]

@@McRemmyBaby ROFL

[@McRemmyBaby]

@@dominicburrows7317 lama Amal i studied all it hard! And actually buying it tomorrow! Lol with like 12 things in my Luna cart! All i need is bac4000 in due time! AND MY MOM MMMY IS BUYING ME THE 72v as soon as I buy the 4000!! Heheheh buying all upgrades other than them n fork tomorrow! (Fork in way due time lol) Will do tubeless tires n all after i beat the stock ones!!! IM STOKed BRO! Been holding on/saving money for this moment HEHEHEHEHLAOAOAOAOLALAOAOA! Cheers mate! N thanks for the lol

[@tommyarmour68]

These would be such a blast. Battery replacement is gonna be a big hit though.

[@TheNorseAmerican]

Perfectly answered my own questioms

[@MellandMalplayz]

Excellent Questions!

[@TeeGriddy]

I’m really considering buying one rn

[@lawrenceforbes5993]

If a switch was installed would it be possible too switch back to the original lower speed for beginners

[@LukeTPZ]

Jimmy, what is your helmet, please? And do you know the model Seth was wearing also?

[@tuomasholo]

I love the campy music.

[@fearceigknighter]

Love my Sur-Ron X!

[@freshlycharged]

Yes! So fun!

[@fearceigknighter]

@@freshlycharged Specially when you start doing some dirt jumps!

[@trusk8ter287]

So what’s the top speed for the Segways full potential?

[@angeljimenez9807]

DESDE ARGENTINA FELICITACIONES POR SUS DOS 2 BICISA SUR RON X Y LA SEGWAY X260

[@frankenstein3163]

TY for shearing. Can Ither one be easy switch back and forth of full potential and 750w mod for cops ? CA street law is 750w max for e bike's. I'll be putting bike pedals on myn wen I get it.

[@RCDevotee]

Thanks for the video! I almost picked up a SurRon when they were first available a while back. I just don't have the space to store something like this in San Francisco. One of the main reasons I prefer power or hyper electric scooters. I ride with a bunch of folks on SuRons and other e-bikes. The Onyx RCR is probably something I would rather have for more urban riding. There is an Onyx shop in San Francisco so it makes it really convenient.

[@Serge42]

Great review 🤙🏻 Guys the Segway is the clear way to go!!

[@budwhite9781]

The Sur Ron X has become a historic change in the e moto market. So many different upgrades and options. I call it my transformer bike. Cheers.

[@TheDomain16]

Alta..

[@K75a]

@@TheDomain16 RIP Alta

[@100pyatt]

@@TheDomain16 where to get Alta ????

[@MrDjh66]

Love my surron did a lot of upgrades

[@willmchale8490]

You guys in Denver? Looks like you were near the north side of the "bluffs"...

[@cookiebuster652]

That’s one blue sky 😯

[@Hedgehog_Inklings]

The SurOn comes with pedals for the Canadian market. The package includes a 42 sprocket, chain, and pegs to convert as a dirt bike. P.S. Recognized the music! Brought back memories.

[@tommym3876]

I just got the surron ultra bee it has all the custom adjustments the Segway has right in the display

[@zinknot]

Too bad you can't change the regen rate on demand. For a big downhill I want it all the way up, and off soon as I get on a straight stretch.

[@MotoRiff77]

Switch from sport to eco on the fly eco= no regen

[@bradyhayward5084]

what is the speed of the sur ron and the speed of a segway?

[@p__jay]

How much did the price come down? also i dont find the Segway for sale online...they are not on amazon...

[@joserego9210]

Jimmy. Watching your video, it seems like I can’t just buy a Sur-ron and ride it like a normal Ebike. I’m a bit confused.

[@michelleevans9869]

Nice but you can also get in different colors outside Luna cycle dealer

[@mattfreedland4444]

where would i buy one of these and is it legal to ride on roads no license and no plates in PA

[@kiloalpha5972]

Nice video. Just a side note though, the sur ron does come in orange, red, green, blue, yellow, silver and gray as well.

[@SethJohnsonCapeCod]

Where do you get the colors? Lunacycle, the US distributor only has black.

[@awno6627]

The older models do. The new ones only come in black

[@coreylaplant3048]

What's those arms gloves? Can you use your phone with them?

[@Timtebowofficial]

With gas prices where they’re at, I’m considering getting one of these for quick trips around town. What’s the weight capacity?

[@MUQR]

Like 230 lbs

[@Hughchats]

Just curious, is it illegal to ride the sur ron x on the road and is it neccasary to get registration to ride on roads?

[@cgal3547]

Does the sur Ron come with the programming cable?

[@johnphillips8088]

I have the Suron XX super bee 🐝 great bike

[@briochesf]

In San Francisco california you don’t need license plate or insurance police officer say this one is legal on the street 🤞

[@davidlorens7587]

I love this ebike. Just wheels are small. I prefer only 29'

[@revengeof1307]

It’s about the size of an 85

[@huilianderson1175]

can the battery be swap with another? option?? That would be worth the extra of another battery

[@religiousstreetwear5836]

yes you can use any battery on the Sur Ron but u must buy the specific battery for the Segway if im not mistaken

[@fasteddylove-muffin6415]

The Segway x260 is currently priced at $6,500. Might this be a different model than the one I'm looking at--for $6,500?

[@ptk4392]

Inflation unfortunately it has been two years

[@braboy5555]

So the surron is a class 3 e-bike since it’s limited speed?

[@motogoon]

Surron does come in colours 2022 has the black edition, 2021 had colour options

[@L1f374k3r]

What are the best options for street?

[@buzby303]

Are these road legal ? How much £ ? Great little vide btw

[@coreylaplant3048]

Isn't the Segway slower though? Like only 43 mph or something?

[@swanseauk]

In the UK, the Sur ron costs over a £1000 ponds more than the Segway. But there is an "off the shelf" street legal version available with the Sur Ron.

[@freshlycharged]

To be street legal you need light signals, VIN number, license and registration amongst other things.

[@Crazytimewins]

He isn’t lying we do have them on the road In the uk they just have a registration plate and wing mirrors and it costs about a thousand pounds more like he said look it up ✌️

[@aog8202]

Great video, does anyone know if you can buy the "street legal" version in USA? It comes with mirrors, blinkers, and turn signals, and is available in other countries, but I can't seem to find it here.

[@cc3775]

Looks like talaria has one coming

[@jessemoors4335]

I'm pretty sure as long as you ride in the bike lanes and use it like a bike you can go anywhere on it it's when you start riding it in the lanes for cars that you get yourself in trouble

[@stattack5855]

doesn't the segway have a smaller battery?

[@luccacerminaro8003]

How fast is the Surron ?

[@wacapp85]

Does the Sur-Ron battery work in the Segway version? You can't find spare Segway Batteries anywhere, but Sur-Ron batteries are more easily found.

[@wacapp85]

@Justin Sane I haven’t found anyone actually say if the Sur-Ron batteries work without issues in the Segway. I would assume they do, since they’re the same bike, but it you’re going to spend over $1k, it’d be nice for someone to verify.

[@wacapp85]

@Justin Sane I think in general, depending on how much you ride, the batteries can last 3 or 4 years without losing much range, and otherwise you don’t have much in the way of maintenance aside from standard stuff like tires/brakes/etc. I probably don’t need to worry about a battery for a few years, but I’m trying to verify that all of the Segway Bluetooth functionality works properly with the Sur-Ron battery, since you have to unlock the full power/top speed through the app if it ever gets reset, although I assume it would all work.

[@jordanmitchell9742]

Hi would this be good for someone who is relatively tall i am 6’1 6’2ish??

[@Esteban-nk3nm]

What's the top speed of the Segway.

[@robertwalsh5461]

How about a second brake lever just for regenerative braking…on demand? Better yet make a rear break only lever (that does exactly that regen-breaking only) but put it behind the drivers right heel just like a motorcycle.

[@aslater2727]

Any dirt bike rider would agree with this

[@theharveyted2029]

Surrons also come in a multiple colour options

[@besafe5969]

NICE

[@bugglegumjr2146]

know it is late our time do you think you could do a colorado onewheel giveaway? And if so how can I enter

[@coliny7027]

HOLY FUDGE THATS A TRAIL BY MY HOUSE dude we are neighbors what a small world! Good to know it's clear to ride through there :D

[@_taxman_]

Where is that? Denver?

[@coliny7027]

@@_taxman_ Highlands Ranch yeah

[@omidel.]

What suron you have..street or ofrroad version?

[@truesightgrabber]

Please advise something like this but for tall people

[@Danielxperez14]

Which one is faster though?

[@ben_cm1141]

Which is better?

[@yesielrealistic467]

Jimmy maybe it's time you find and test ride a csc city slicker:)

[@FordManiac76]

Removing the front fender makes it look more like a mountain bike = a little less heat

[@JB-kp9ie]

The Segway in video does not appear to have the "X" controller as the Sur Ron clearly shows it does, they avoid showing the front of the segway and I bet its for that reason.

[@Ishment]

The X260 came out before the Sur Ron X I believe. Once they released the Sur Ron X in 2018 they started painting the X on there

[@genuinevibes437]

@@Ishment Segway bought a lot of shares and changed a few things on the bike. It has 20 more watts and the app ect . It’s a little faster stock and has the exact same things as the surron.

[@exx2711]

If you don't cut the limiter wirs you go 25 mph but get around 65 miles but once you cut the limiter that's half the length be because it's twice the power

[@Neo796]

The dongle is NOT required to adjust any setting for the controller on the SurRon. It’s only a visual guide.

[@zawthuwin2323]

Is segway x260 bike need license in nederland?

[@marelycruz03]

which bike is taller/bigger ??

[@visamedic]

I want the Sur Ron. Call me paranoid but I don’t want any chance of what between my legs being hacked.

[@gritred5500]

Sur Ron X has different controller?? If you go to the site luna bikes to look at the Sur Ron X black the controller is (supposedly) different and upgraded by Luna? Was this a Sur Ron X or Sur Ron X black edition with the Panasonic batteries and the controller which is upgraded?

[@y2shanon]

they come with the sine wave x controller now supposed to give more power and quiter sounding

[@aHart2Teach]

@@y2shanon That is the reason I watched the video. Hoping to hear the differences between the Segway stock controller and the Sur-Ron Sine Wave X controller. I've read that there's a significant difference in power, regen, and noise. I love the matte red Segway, but I'm more concerned with performance (fun) than color.

[@y2shanon]

@@aHart2Teach yeh I hear you, just got my surron x, chose it over segway for the sine controller and few other things persuaded me to get it over segway

[@genuinevibes437]

@@y2shanon I just got my Segway x260 and I’ve read that it too has a sine wave controller.

[@beanwithbaconmegarocket]

Good video but putting music over the bike footage was a bad idea. I really wanted to get a feel for the sound of the bikes but all your riding footage has music or voice over it.

[@giustizaf.8497]

where can I buy how much it costs?

[@anotherone-ov5kf]

How much do they cost brand new???

[@James-qq2vq]

What's the weight of the bikes and how long does it take for a full charge?

[@zachpowers7972]

About 200lbs and 4 hours

[@bridger2h758]

@@zachpowers7972 the bike weighs 200lbs? most dirtbikes only weight a bit more than that

[@tintin6291]

Mine came unlocked already

[@caramelzappa]

Depends on where you buy them from.

[@shurmansemeleer6750]

25 miles is how long of a ride in hours?

[@Tonyplat98]

No more under 4K surrons. The Segway can be found at $4500 and the Sur Ron X is now $3850 plus shipping takes it a little over 4k but anyways still a very good buy.

[@freshlycharged]

Prices went up! 🙁

[@edgeofentropy3492]

Yep, somebody loves CHiP's.

[@matemayer4850]

can you ride Segway X260 on road in traffic?

[@freshlycharged]

Not street legal in the US.

[@douglasalpine2970]

Hey guys it's the same exact bike. Different color dosen't change performance.

[@dojomojomofo]

Those look so fun! But I couldn't actually use one if I got it. It'd be reported or ticketed on bike trails, and not street legal on streets. To reach offroad areas I'd have to hit the highway, but it doesn't go fast or far enough to get to the destination... and I don't have a pickup truck or flatbed to haul it. Though a Kingsong S18, I could charge up and throw in my passenger seat, then drive somewhere, take it out and ride for hours. It's not the same experience, and I love bikes and would sell my gas bike if I could match it in electric, but this just wouldn't be feasible for me.

[@jimmypeach8838]

Good vid Jimmy but how much are they??

[@SethJohnsonCapeCod]

Best buy has them for $3,999 right now.

[@turbotim9009]

Sur Ron is $3600

[@deftrover]

👍

[@wojciechburdzy8014]

Hi do you have to register it or get license?

[@yaboiwilly6913]

depends on where u live

[@gromhub]

Any mods out there getting better ranges that stated here? I want one badly but I'd need range more like 50/60 miles for sure

[@griffinheggie1618]

Think these would be legal to ride in a bike lane? Looking at one to ride from classes

[@religiousstreetwear5836]

as long as your 14 or older you can ride these on the sidewalk or in the bike lane

[@chucknoob7041]

Better check local laws yourself before relying on the comments section. Naw! I’m sure you’re good just say it’s 750W motor in CA, 1000W in MN…..