MHW Bow Stamina Guide: Why Bow Builds run Cons & SS for DPS

[@EducatedFool25]

Wow, this is huge. I've got 400+ hours on bow and never knew 3/4ths of this. Really excited now to improve my bow play

[@JinJinxandTuna]

It's pretty amazing how complex bow mastery gets. Glad you enjoyed the video

[@franciscofernandez8183]

0:28 How Stamina Works for Bow 6:40 Combos 8:45 Stamina Skills 9:56 Constitution --- 11:55 Food --- 13:51 TL;DR 13:59 Stamina Surge --- 16:01 Differences with Constitution --- 18:06 TL;DR 20:12 Conclusion and Send Off

[@AB-fz9rz]

thanks

[@metaldoji]

king

[@Kysen10]

700hrs and I did not know that quick shot was stamina free...

[@guid3au]

Same...

[@NvRb4NeWnAr]

Same here. What a freaking revelation.

[@KingDugan]

Same, I'm watching this video to try and take my bow to the next level.

[@amatsu-ryu4067]

According to the statistics on my Guild Card, I've finished ~400 to ~500 hunts with a bow and I've never known this either. I even use the combo that you see being performed at around 6:01 , but only because I was told it's a really good way to dps with the bow.

[@Leonx818]

I am not alone... i was going to delete my bow 400 hrs on bow and i just learned this as well... send halp

[@jdcano6582]

When you're a Bow main and didnt know half of this...I actually almost never use quick shot. Daaaamn...

[@3rdworldgwaming467]

It comes down to ur hr.... At low hr bow isn't optimal cos most bow builds are greedy for decos, gud armor with skills & ofcourse end game bows & kt bows...i myself figured out how gud bows r towards hr 180 or something... Cos thts wen I got the right decos like spreadshot gem which increases the spreadshot damage.. I'm almost hr 500 now & I only have 1 just one refresh gem which gives u stamina surge.. U need 3 to max it... If ur a bow main u need to invest in charms it will make up for limited gems

[@jdcano6582]

@@3rdworldgwaming467 im 180 hr so not low rank lol, just not really used to start in quick shot feels kinda slow/bad, but I'm trying to use it more

[@ultikillerrrr]

@@3rdworldgwaming467 hr means nothing

[@plainluke722]

3rdworldgwaming nope. Don't need all them extra decorations. With the gear available at release I was comfortably able to get through all the content with it. Though I will say that maintaining Constitution and stamina surge is much easier with decorations, but it's not THAT deep

[@kdogmich15]

@@plainluke722 Yeah bow does very well with just gear, no decorations. There can be a big increase from those skills but bow is very very strong regardless in most encounters. Suboptimal bow build>>>>>optimal sns build.

[@DaXtremeXP]

Like he said, even if you´re not Speedrunning this is the stuff you wanna know, cuz playing good is more fun xD

[@pedrobarreto702]

I use stamina surge for my builds,but still they aren't that good because i don't have some key gems.

[@AbderrahmenBesbes]

this is re-ignite my love for bow one of the best video i watched, very well reasearched, put together, explained, produced, every thing is just MMMMOUAH

[@RocketBillyRedCadillac]

Can we talk about AT xeno getting smoked at the beginning of the video. RIP

[@juanpalacio7068]

Smoked is an understatement. Straight up shit stomped him lol.

[@danlorett2184]

Yeah it's actually easier to trip lock AT Xeno because while he's powered up it doesn't take that much damage to trip him if you're hitting him in the chest. That's why they were switching to shooting the leg sometimes - you don't want to go over the next trip threshold until Xeno stands back up.

[@mrjazz5294]

@@danlorett2184 Oh so you can go over treshold when he's already tripped? Damn, I still don't know shit about this game. How did she know when to hit leg instead of chest?? Where do you even get such info??

[@danlorett2184]

@@mrjazz5294 People have tested it. And yeah, you can go over trip thresholds when the monster is already down - if you do, it just resets. As for when to shoot the chest vs the leg, they calculated how many power shots it takes so they do one less, then shoot the leg. Once the monster gets up, you just shoot the chest again and it trips. You can do the same tactic with flinching too - HBG Glutton Spread can flinch lock a lot of monsters solo.

[@kventinho]

I can't even pay attention to you because i'm stunned watching the background speedrunner flinchlocking fricking AT Xeno. holy shit respect to her

[@EntropyUnleashed]

With the insane DPS of bow, and the fact that Xeno never changes its amount of damage needed to stomach flinch lock, it's actually pretty easy to flinch lock. Once you find a combo that flinches, you simply repeat that exact combo with the same timing. You can see her do this in the video. She doesn't really move, and she does the same combo with the same timing over and over. Flinch locking other monsters (Luna, Vaal, Kushala) is more complicated, because their flinch values change. So for those monsters it takes multiple separate scripts to flinch lock perfectly. Something like: 2 power ramp up + 1 coconut for first flinch, 1 power ramp up while flinched + 1 coconut for first knockdown, 3 power ramp ups with 1 coconut each during first knock down, then one rapid ramp up for first trip, during which 3 power ramp ups with 1 coconut each will get 2nd KO, etc. Multiple different combos have to be combined, and different combinations of combos are required for each successive CC. But on Xeno you just spam the same series of combos, since her trip value for stomach is in hyper mode never changes

[@kventinho]

@@EntropyUnleashed actually I am aware of how easy it is to flinchlock AT Xeno compared to other monsters but thanks for the breakdown on how certain monsters increase flinch tolerance and bow-specific combos for other monsters - I didn't know that tolerance to flinching builds up in other monsters and that despite that there are combos to pull this off. My astonishment is mostly focused on how effortlessly she pulled it off. I guess like you said, the high DPS on bow makes it extra easy. I've only been using HBG Pierce against AT Xeno and I have never been able to pull this off with it (because Pierce ammo sucks in World).

[@ulamgexe7442]

@@kventinho Actually I think it's possible to flinchlock consistently at xeno with pierce, I only managed to flinch lock it 3-4 times in a row tho, but I'm not a speedrunner and I didn't try to flinchlock it to death

[@kventinho]

@@ulamgexe7442 actually, now that i think about it, i've only solo'ed AT Xeno once using Pierce (and even then I was using a Fortify build to increase my DPS because i'm a shitty casual lol). The rest of my clears with AT Xeno using Pierce were in multi so I guess the flinch threshold is higher, thus why I have never seen us flinchlocking him? I may be wrong though and maybe my friends and I are just not good at it lol

[@ulamgexe7442]

@@kventinho yeah, flinvh treeshold increases about 30%. I think you (with your friends) did too much damage on xeno's body while it's down, so it skipped the flinch; like you skip a flinch if you break spikes of nerg while it's down (sorry for unaccuirate english)

[@Narniak69]

Cons 1 + Surge 2 seems to work very well for me. The good news is the tier 4 combo decorations "Refresh/Expert" and "Refresh/Physique" are fairly easy to obtain from the common Ancient feystones in Iceborne.

[@isocryd]

Thank you! Ive been feeling a bit sluggish with my bow.

[@mluengo_sl]

Very good and informative video, I literally spend more time researching DPS builds in MHWI than in my own thesis

[@noahsmith4382]

These videos are great. I’m a Bow main, not looking to really speedrun but just improve my gameplay and these types of vids that explain fundamentals of high level play have helped me improve so much.

[@FlipsMG]

This is by far the best bow resource on the internet. If you could only watch 1 video to know as much as you can about playing bow correctly, this should be it.

[@gwright1995]

The bow is a weapon I’m really trying to improve on. This helped loads thanks.

[@kankan909090]

i have a shit ton of hunts and hours using the bow and i still learn a shit ton from this video... huge props to jinjinx and tuna for the great information as always!

[@omaislindodesantos]

Thx for the little combo guide, now i know what i doing wrong when i playing bow.

[@christianwu1309]

Always love a bit of tchaikovsky 6 in the background

[@Michelesmile86]

I thought i read BowGun Lance.. freaking finally its bow time baby

[@gerkirschbaum]

I‘m just now getting into Speedrunning and this video is such a great help to recognize my current flaws!

[@DJMJ4]

probly the best bow video online PERIOD.

[@chaddkline9131]

Hell yeah, I think I'm more excited about this title than I would've been by the new meta bow vid. I have always been curious what the math is on these abilities!

[@chaddrusso8850]

Chadd Kline another Chadd with two D’s, never thought I’d see the day lol

[@chaddkline9131]

@@chaddrusso8850 There are a few of us out there in the world....

[@FLyyyT_]

calculate the optimal reactions, the monster ai, the monster size, mod those in, and make a bow robot that does all these things and perfect run is achieved.

[@syafiqw.6264]

Personal timestamp for me, a bow main. Power Ramp combo: 7:19 Stamina calculation: 10:23 Equipment: Val Hazak 11:00 Lunastra 14:40 19:48 Thank you, these are very useful ^^

[@tazttyyy687]

Already knew everything but still watched and enjoyed cause bow/alessia runs/Asterisk data

[@FEHanzo]

It's great to find information that helps improve my play. This info will improve my speed on taking monsters down. Thank you again.

[@XxDrakekinXx]

I've played monster hunter for years but watching your guys information on Bows (which i never touched until now) im going to try starting a new game with bows and go bow hunter main. Just a bit of feed back during the stamnina positive/negative/neutral explanation I was trying to read the combo's but you had it covered by the enlargement.

[@taprick]

this is helpful been running cons 5 and surge 3 i prioritized it so much i am having difficulty combining sets.i thought it was good but now i can improve more on my dmg because of this guide. ❤️

[@gabeblack8247]

I always thought the quick shot was a weak spread shot. Whoops, berate me, a filthy casual

[@33link333]

Well it is, it's not use due to strength but instead stamina management.

[@Narakiomal]

Long Gunlance Arch of the Gunlance Saga is over, now it's the first chapter of the Bow Saga: The Stamina Arch.

[@karafuru7666]

Thank you very much. I played bow for a while but I didn't realize this information. It changes how I play!

[@ayohollaatyaboy]

This whole thing was an eye opener ! Much appreciated !

[@Edelweysss]

I get into bow some time ago and you'r video gave me a lot of tips and way to optimize my set (was a heavy dasher bow player) Thank you for this !

[@manuelalejandroalvaradorub964]

waiting bow META build, as always great video

[@morganalsohalekcs8499]

I know it’s been a while but good video tbh, i get overwhelmed often when you guys post a video and I watch (normally on weapons I am not used to play) but with bow well... I do like it. Anyway since I started playing I can’t afford to farm dash juice 24/7 and I love getting cons 5 plus some stamina surge even now with safi set and Kjarr bow, it feels so swift

[@nathanielnizard2163]

I understood a lot of things with this video. The fun part is that I was trying to mix things to save stamina instinctiviely so I was naturally trying to do combos like the ones in the video in way way worst when playing bow so I'm proud of myself. However I went in very bad direction for gear fixing and gameplay XD Don't forget poison, sleep and shock arrow in guiding lands guys, bow are free status machines as well :). If nobody poisons in multiplayer stacking 2 poisons is free and a shock and a sleep proc very fast, and sleep gives a free tople wich is great.

[@astartespete]

well well well, always something to learn as i'll freely admit i had written off surge, and though I've branched out bow is still my most used weapon by far. Really interested to see the builds in the next vid.

[@jaredrosa3415]

I just got a lv 4 deco for cons and ss the other day. I was super happy that I got this.

[@mackstertube]

Just stars getting a bit better at bow. This is the most important bow video to watch.

[@naruto120312]

I have watch this vid 4 times and still come back to it

[@andreirafaelalias7438]

I had to watch this again because I was zoning out from all the info like in Math class

[@Z0mb13moon]

good thing i watched phemeto's videos bout elemental bow. i have roughly 400 hunts on bow but only in the last 100 hunts i finally have a acceptable stamina management. it's good seeing the whole theory-crafting and math displayed.

[@Nehji_Hann]

Stopped spamming dash for max charge thanks to this video. Yay no more waiting around for stamina to recharge!

[@michaelhernandez7991]

Can’t wait. Been using bows since tarroth arrow thunder dropped for me in December.

[@cordneyellis442]

That thunder bow is disgusting

[@AngryCosmonaut]

I'm no speedrunner, but I learned a lot from this video. Looking forward to applying it!

[@mhamieyoo]

Bro. This is a really great vid. Really humbling to know how much I didnt know. 😳

[@alexriley]

Thank you! Time for me to fix up my builds; great learning experience!

[@YodasMessenger]

Thanks guys, these are some seriously great rescources.

[@DarkCT]

well.. thats fascinating. this is quite useful for tips. the only weapons i care for are the bowguns, SnS and bow. this definately is something to keep in mind- i will be waiting for the bow set update and hoping i can actually run some of them.

[@Keppy1988]

well done m8t keep doing ur content rly nicly explained , feel like im 1000 times better with bow now THX !

[@roycebracket1010]

That. Was. Awesome. Even for a filthy casual like me, it shows what I should try and tend towards. I'm still new tho, so for my first hunts against monsters I've not yet encountered, there'll definitely still be a lot of dash spamming and running around involved.

[@rahulmaron]

Thanks! this was very helpful to fine tune my bow build!

[@Leonx818]

You are awesome thank you for this incredibly helpful Guide even for someone with over 400 hrs on just bow alone

[@KandyWabbit]

one of the best bow guide on youtube, upvote.

[@armingill9767]

This is a fantastic video dude cheers 🥂

[@alessia5059]

well said jinx~

[@firstlast6618]

if you dont mind me asking, why do you often use Quick>Rapid>Rapid>Power in your runs instead of adding another Rapid before the final Power shot?

[@alessia5059]

@@firstlast6618 usually if i do that i need to rush the last power to interrupt monster attacks and/or move sooner - but i'm not perfect so sometimes my instincts are wrong~

[@auraleedivinus]

And here I thought DJ also increases stamina regen. Now I’ll have to put SS on my builds. Thanks for this vid! :)

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

It effectively does. There are two ways of thinking about it: Either that it simply decreases all stamina costs, or that it gives you a much larger stamina pool and increases regen proportionately. In either case, your ratio of time spent regenerating to time spent using is going to be lower. Unrelated but interesting sidenote: Waterblight actually slows both stamina use AND stamina regen, at least in past games (don't remember if it still does in world), though it slows regen more than it slows expenditure, making it a net loss overall still. Iceblight similarly sped up both stamina regen and stamina use.

[@auraleedivinus]

If you view it in a technical standpoint, DJ really doesn’t increase the rate in which you’ll recover stamina faster in the same vein as SS (made some tests on my own earlier), which is what I’m pointing out, although you did mention some good points in your statement. Waterblight in MHW, as you mentioned, slows down stamina regeneration, but I don’t think it will have any effect on your stamina consumption. Conversely, Iceblight increases your stamina consumption, but it will have no effect on stamina regeneration. These two blights (along with Bleed effect) are probably the most annoying status effects you’ll ever get, and I wish Capcom emphasized on these more than Fireblight imho.

[@junior752352]

Thanks for the work gathering all this info

[@itisakubrow6361]

I have no stamina and I must scream ... I mean dodge

[@Kavriel]

Very nice video, with lots of high quality information. HOWEVER (yeah i'm code matching) i think most people here care about dps but aren't speedrunners, so if you could, while talking about how to do MAX DEEPS, include advice about the context in which most of us are (trying to play optimal in multiplayer). Anyways that's my idea, take it or leave it, thanks for reading.

[@EntropyUnleashed]

Thankfully nothing about bow sets actually changes outside the context of speedrunning. For bow, optimal speedrun and optimal DPS in normal play are more or less identical. Just check your stamina bar occasionally, and weave in the stamina-positive combos that were mentioned in this video to maintain DPS uptime. There aren't any silly gimmicks (like heroics...) that change things up or make things difficult. The only thing that really changes between speedrunning and normal play is that speedrunning relies on "scripts"; using specific combos in specific orders to maximize damage and chain CCs, while avoiding monster attacks flawlessly with minimal dodging.

[@Kavriel]

@@EntropyUnleashed Well, that's not completely true. In a multi hunt monsters run away or hit other players. You also lose your power coatings unless you craft more. As you mentioned, you don't cc chain most of the time so you actually have to dodge attacks and play, rather than play out your script well. All of these things can influence dps. I personally like to run Evade extender, since it allows me to move while staying offensive, and dodge attacks. Don't get me wrong, 80 or 90 percent of the advice for optimal play for speedrun is valid for the context I'm talking about, but builds that incorporate health boost or evasion skills can be more enjoyable and perhaps even better in terms of dps in a practical way. I know this isn't the focus of this channel though and I'm not hating, just suggesting.

[@dsilverio88]

I'm glad I ran into this video. I finally decided to use a different weapon besides the LS and chose the bow.

[@hifumi1016]

Love the way you say "However"

[@jayjayee5105]

Can’t wait to get home to put together a build cause I’ve always wanted to use the bow but not like a scrub lol. Good vid! Thanks bud!

[@joelananna1116]

Took 23 minutes to tell us con 1 with ss1 is meta wow , love yall so much

[@hrokrbird7061]

Bow main since 4u, I learned so much in this video

[@TheTitanium70]

OK, before anything else - that's a well executet and informative video. ^^ But honestly it's more masters theory crafting than actual guidance. =P I mean throwing in a Dash+Voucher on every hunt is something you CAN do, but nothing I'd ever consider even in the slightest. Against the big beaters sure thing. But definitely not against your avarage TEDdy! x'D I'd go for Con5 Surge0 any day on farming builds. Considering Luna2: It's honestly not that bad. Going with B-Helm and Boots you get really effective defensive skills that also come with the additional stamina. That's the very first thing I recommend Bow players struggling with Ts/ATs. It's very usefull. And one more thing: In any build you're running Con2, Con3 is for free since The stamina Charm is the only medium ability carm that's interesting for the bow and upgrades to Level3. =P

[@JinJinxandTuna]

Both of us have hundreds of vouchers, since we farm for them. Using one on every hunt isn't a deal. That said, if you're just "casually farming", then use whatever you want. It's a game.

[@TheTitanium70]

@@JinJinxandTuna Yeah sure thing, no doubt about that one. And while true for you and me it's not for the wast majority of the player base. I just mentioned it because it's a trend I see alot in MH related contend basicly everyone is doing it. The assumption of absolutely flawless gameplay. (Like when you say 'You only get Luna2 once a hunt' - Hell, no! If you need to drink a single potion you have it back. =P) It's no big deal, and sure if you want to learn and understand a weapon it's cool to see how mastery looks like, but I sometimes feel these guides loose a bit of touch to the HR70 reality of people in need of some guide. =)

[@uniquehandlegoeshere]

Jinx...thank you for all of your videos. they are so unique and so informative. I have a man crush on your brain. Yeah, I said it - so what?! Seriously - your channel is one of a kind and MH is better because of this channel!

[@Anduyn]

This video helps me a lot! Thank you!

[@toshy4511]

Never really thought much about the stamina usage as long as i had con 3 + dash juice, only spamming dash dance and doing ramp combos when stamina ran low. Would keep this video in mind when I play bow next time

[@petercoolbaugh6850]

What an amazing guide. Thank you.

[@Melliyel]

Awesome video, Thanks man

[@ashbringer5999]

I thought you were speaking an alien language; I might do my own meta which is press the R2 bottom on the bow until the monster dead 😇

[@nyalan8385]

Lmao same. And use the arch shot for staggering

[@EQOAnostalgia]

MH is like Pool... yes the world renowned POOL, where you take a stick and slam it into balls that fall into pockets, THAT POOL. You can play pool without much thought and do okay, OR... you can learn all the angles and see the game for what it truly is, near limitless growth potential.

[@exodosthesoulbanish]

I'd like to see a similar stamina management video for dual blades.

[@Macheako]

I feel like dual blades are far less complicated in terms of stamina management. I actually main both daggers and bow lol and there's no question I've had more stamina issues on bow. With daggers, load up marathon runner and enjoy for the most part.

[@Macheako]

But ya know, it'd still be interesting to see what jinx and tuna think on the topic tho.

[@Ace-kb6ox]

Clearly explains the value of good stamina management, the impact of skills that help with management and how it effects your hunts in terms of possible comfert and speed. Great guide and thanks speedrunners for sharing your knowledge! :D

[@chaslewis3334]

This channel was blessed by the MH gods.

[@saintnight9792]

alright, you have now a new supporter :) thanks for the video, very trivial xD to be honest, I tried to make a bow build with stamina cap up using Lunastra pcs and Constitution with Item Prolonger, but boy Dash Juice are pretty expensive to keep

[@christophersmith9074]

the snap shots into the lunastra just after she jumps to nock her down have me in aw they are so fast and with no hesitation lol

[@VGJunky]

When a CB main watches a Bow video and doesn't know anything about 95% of what was covered

[@XicorVT]

thats me i want to try something new and i thought why not bow then i see and what did what happen i dont understand

[@Foos21]

Same with not knowing what's being covered and still focusing at the background monster hunt. 🥴😂

[@_Umbrael_]

Props to her for using keyboard and mouse, I couldn't stand it when I tried it. Had to go back to controller immediately. Figured I'd try it out because I had just gotten the game on PC, when I already played a lot of console.

[@giahungnguyen9923]

Can't believe how empty it feels with out Tuna....

[@Walamonga1313]

Feels ok

[@ShatteredGlass916]

I miss my Greatsword Tuna, that somehow have Ice Elemnt to it lol Or even Congalala's Maraccas Dual Blade

[@talidras]

I really love hunting with the bow but always knew I could be doing better. Looking forward to more bow videos so I can get better lol.

[@kanade2605]

Bow in old world sosphicated, charge aim shot run repeat Bow in new world Charging sidestep goes ZZING ZZING

[@sullenhigh]

i main bow and have more than 3000 hours into mhw. a super comfy build i run is, safis bow with velkys essence, velkys helm, and the rest namis gear. im able to have max surge, constitution, divine blessing, health boost, tenderizer, critical boost, spread, and 1+ to brace or latent power. since velkys critical element stacks with namis elemental acceleration i still get strong dmg. (typically i sub 10 temp elders) and since latent power reduced stamina stacks with cons my stamina drain is practically nonexistent. my affinity is also 85% to 100% as well. its also a good build if you don't like chugging dash juice all the time.

[@Golden910]

Great video thanks for the information. I thought I was a great bow user. But I see i have a few more things to learn.

[@perchipy7900]

solid work once again, educating.

[@MstarSmith]

This is incredible. When I do the power ramp combo though I don't get the feeling I'm in stamina positive. I do have constitution 3 and surge 2

[@Elitejff12]

All I ever could ask for thanks!

[@ryanmolloy5421]

I'll echo what pretty much every else has said. 400 hours with a bow and I didn't know a lot of this stuff, though I have always stacked Stam surge and con just because it "seemed" better, though I follow phemto's builds a lot.

[@chocolatechips_]

thanks! now i can use stamina management after watching this video (playing 1k hrs still suck with bow 😂)

[@Emotional.Damage265]

Watching this video I figured that I have no clue what button is a power shot and which one is for rapid shot. I just go by the buttons on the control lol.

[@Spacemanspark]

This video changed my bow lifestyle

[@Voicelet]

I was a bow main and I didn't know there are stamina positive negative combos... I just did quick shot combo whenever I'm low on stamina otherwise I just spammed ramp combo then dash power shot if I feel like it.

[@danielgustavoparedes]

trying out bow as my first range weapon the last week. And been running stamina surge 3 at the very least this is the main takeaway. Use stamina surge 1 or 2. Not 3 thank you. Oh and that feline black belt is for bow 🤪

[@thundertwonk1090]

Alessia truly is the hero of bowmains

[@glaiveking2530]

Yayyy finally bow vids, also cb is next xD I hope we get other builds than just dps for cb

[@Stormhunter117]

I knew this was going to be part of the bow meta video. Now we need a poogie guide to get vouchers consistently.

[@TheLucaBattistella]

Just farm Greeting the Gluttons whenever it's available!

[@TicoB88]

Wow learned a lot about my fav weap in mhw. Now to get some sets

[@KartoondaKariktah]

I can't wait to watch this after work. From day 1, mhw being my first ever mh experience, I've mained bow (lbg exceptions for kulve) and on EVERY bow build when I was able to, stamina surge x3 and at least con x3. No one believed me about more stamina = more dps and meta over everything bla bla bla... I knew I was on to something.

[@ShaddoII]

I've played with bow for a bit but I think it's time to start to master it just for Lunastra...I just can't even her in Master Rank

[@tysean0816]

Shrieking legiana brought me here I'm stuck like a bug in peanut butter

[@BigWayneX]

Ngl the way you say "However" is lightweight sexy