JK Armament Form 1 Can, First Shots...

Hey there folks! Today we finally got to get out and shoot the recently Form 1'd JK Armament suppressor. Super excited about this guy...Enjoy!
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[@DougOrr]

Sound same to me

[@NotACop247]

I run a Sig SRD762 direct thread, and my neighbor has a JK Armament direct. We have identical 20" Grendel uppers and shot the same reloads side by side. Neither of us nor his daughter could tell a difference between the sound of both without ear pro. I have now started the form 1 efile process for my own and will probably never own another form 4 can.

[@CalebDowning]

Dang 😄 The JK cans are pretty slick huh 👍

[@Williampinion25]

hey hamilton, thinking of starting a form1 and wondering if youve received yours yet. i see its been 2 months since your comment.

[@keatonspence3366]

@@Williampinion25 my 2nd form 1 recently got cleared in 17 days.

[@Meekmillan]

@@keatonspence3366 WOW LMAO

[@timothybooker2134]

Why are there different forms for different can?

[@give_guns_a2_chance499]

Nice iron sigths

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks man 👍

[@deangullberry5148]

All steel baffles/ cups will quiet the JK down even more. The titanium will further reduce noise. Density of materials makes a big difference.

[@CalebDowning]

True, good points 👌

[@GuidoHybrid]

Today I shot for the first time my all steel with titanium fork end cap JK Armament suppressor. I bored out for 9mm unclipped although I primarily plan to shoot .300BLK. It's the rifle MST. I'm very pleased and might continue experiment with additional baffle purchase. So I can have clipped an unclipped. Might fill out for another stamp and bore out just for 7.62. So many decisions AHHH

[@CalebDowning]

That’s the beauty of the Jk cans. Super modular 🤙

[@DingusDangus42069]

Have you destroyed the aluminum baffles yet?

[@CalebDowning]

There’s some wear on them but they are still good 👍

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Why can't I order these!??

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks to our three letter big brothers, JKArmament has had to leave the Form 1 builder works and only offer traditional Form 4 suppressors. So you can order them but you’ll have to do through an FFL/SOT.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

@@CalebDowning yeah I know, but it's completely bullshit, there is no law against it and it's totally legal. I understand why, to not have the headache with even dealing with them POS' although it really does make it so much more difficult to obtain a machined piece of metal!!!

[@evskiicf3998]

Never understood why people use anything but a pmag tbh

[@CalebDowning]

Looks, durability, heat, personal preference 🤷‍♂️

[@user-zd1hz7mr8z]

Do they still offer these on there website I’m in Texas and have been wanting to take advantage of our new law

[@CalebDowning]

I don’t think you can get the uncut “Form 1” kits from them anymore 😏

[@stephen_crumley]

Beard is looking fantastic, February will be year 3 since Ive shaved and I wish I’d have done it earlier in life. Only trim around lips because eating beard hair sucks and hurts at the same time. *+200* respect for the beard

[@CalebDowning]

Haha thanks Stephen 👊🏻 Only those with beards would know that pain 😵‍💫

[@threat2demoracy5454]

You go brother!

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks! 😎👊🏻

[@caldwell5078]

Thanks for the video I just ordered an all HD with 7 baffles I can't wait to drill and shoot it

[@CalebDowning]

Great choice man, always glad to help 🤙

[@caldwell5078]

@@CalebDowning they need to give you a commission 👍

[@CalebDowning]

@@caldwell5078 Haha, that’d be nice 🤔😂

[@caldwell5078]

@@CalebDowning oh brother! My form1 was approved in 10 days total. I was so excited I drilled my JK and test fired, I thought it was loud so I single clipped. It got louder if that's even possible. It's way louder than my quietBore and no where near my sandman or even my YHM. I think I feel sick wasting all the cash for a complete HD can. I'm glad you had good luck.

[@CalebDowning]

Dang 😱 That is surprising 😬 Stupid question, what size are the cups drill out to and what were you shooing through it?

[@gman9945]

Great to see you found a place to shoot! Very interesting video.

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks Brett 👊🏻

[@mrkeopele]

nice demo

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks Keopele 👍

[@mikeshepard3602]

It all sounds complicated. Lol. I have a lathe and will make my own. Guess I have a lot of brushing up to do on how to make one properly. Will be for an SBR 10” barrel ar platform in 7.62 also with a form 1 for a can. Awesome video.

[@CalebDowning]

There’s a lot of science that can go into it but overall it’s not too terribly complicated. If you’ve got a lathe then you’ve got a big leg up on us vice and dremel fellas 😁

[@mikeshepard3602]

@@CalebDowning guess it will be some trial and error. 😀

[@jimmyschock9395]

Im a fan of single clips and clip all the cones

[@CalebDowning]

👍

[@garygott2389]

Great video. I would love to see you shoot some subs with the 300 blk out and jk combo. Again great video

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks Gary 👍 And I’ll try and get that done, great suggestion.

[@sbuyce1]

It super quiet with 300 blk subs

[@dmtycn]

I bought Titanium tube and cups for my Form 1.

[@CalebDowning]

Very nice 👌

[@levistrodtman5032]

So the JK works with keymo adaptor? Or do they have it as an option?

[@CalebDowning]

The Jk 155 series had the HUB mount so you can run pretty much any 1.375x24 mounting system you want, and that includes the Key-Mo.

[@DanielBoone337]

I'm liking it brother when my Nomad 30 gets out of jail I'll probably clip the baffles in my Quiet Bore form 1 suppressor and see if it makes any difference but I'm liking the JK Armament. It was a toss up between it and the Quiet Bore but the all steel tube and baffles I went with Quiet Bore because I figured it was more durable. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

[@CalebDowning]

Sound thought process 👍 from my experience, clipping will make a difference. Good luck 🍀 And thanks 👊🏻

[@staysharp_chaos]

Quiet bore legit?

[@DanielBoone337]

@@staysharp_chaos Very much so they've upped their game big time since I bought mine a few years ago with several more caliber choices, jigs for drilling the baffles, and muzzle devices... They're heavier then the JK Armament and materials alone make them more durable but if weight is a concern then JK Armament is probably the best choice. (Quiet Bore 30 cal cans are around 22oz if I remember right) I haven't looked into form 1 suppressors in a while but Quiet Bore and JK Armament in my opinion are probably still the best and reasonably priced... Hope that helps!!!

[@staysharp_chaos]

@@DanielBoone337 I’m glad to hear that!!! I ordered a .30 cal form 1 jig a couple weeks ago with the form 1 submitted and fingerprints sent in! I’m excited!! Thanks for the feedback! God bless!

[@caldwell5078]

@@staysharp_chaos for the price very legit!

[@BEasy198031]

That beard is majestic. I'm working on mine now. Thanks for the vid.

[@CalebDowning]

Haha thanks man 😁👌

[@clintsengmany1819]

Met Caleb in person real cool guy. Just writing a comment to help the good old KZbin algorithm.

[@CalebDowning]

That was pretty fun yesterday. I’m glad y’all stopped by 🤙

[@callofdoobie3092]

What ratchet mount do you use?

[@CalebDowning]

That’s the Dead Air KeyMo mount.

[@seanwhite304]

Dead Air is definitely quieter shot for shot . YHM sounds better than both. JK is definitely impressive for home made can.. I love the 1.7 diameter of the can . That's I love Dead Air Nomad and Q Jumbo Shrimp . That volume soaks up that suppression for sure ..

[@CalebDowning]

I may have a Nomad coming in a bit so that’ll be another fun comparison. More volume = better suppression in general, I agree 👌

[@ron593]

Glad to see you're finally outside soaking up some of that Alaska vitamin D..!!

[@CalebDowning]

It took awhile but I think this place will work 👌 It is good to get some sun finally 😁

[@Reblwitoutacause]

What mount is used in this video?

[@CalebDowning]

That’s a Dead Air KeyMo mount.

[@Reblwitoutacause]

@@CalebDowning thanks very much

[@JenkinsStevenD]

Can you make a video at night of flash suppression? Sound isn't so important to me. Good short video, thanks!

[@CalebDowning]

Yes! That’s a perfect video I’m planning on doing. We got a lot of darkness up here right now sonic should be pretty easy to shoot that 👌

[@bobhaverty8660]

Into the sand, first three rounds, on the third round you squeezed your pressure switch for your white light. I have been toying with taking my pressure pad off for just that reason (an inadvertent activation of your white could give someone something to shoot at).

[@CalebDowning]

True that 👍 It’s primarily a training and placement thing for me. I’ve noticed myself having too many light “ND”s so I’m moving my switches to make them require more “purposeful” actions to activate.

[@jeffhuntley2921]

Great video. I couldn’t afford the mounts you’ve got on all those firearms

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks Jeff. It’s taken some time to put all that together.

[@mattwicklander2677]

Part list plz

[@mattwicklander2677]

I need that set up

[@CalebDowning]

Are you talking about the tan gun? I can’t put parts lists here on KZbin but if you get me up on IG I’ll tell you the main pieces.

[@mattwicklander2677]

@@CalebDowning @poorfuxs

[@freedomlover425]

Sandman seemed a bit deeper, JK seemed to have more treble. With YT audio being so compressed there's no way to tell how loud or quiet it is, so I'm glad you're giving us your impression from being in person. Can you put the longest possible length on your F1 and then run it with various configurations up to that length depending on the situation?

[@freedomlover425]

On the short barrel the JK is definitely louder.

[@CalebDowning]

I agree. The Sandman did sound a little deeper toned. Sure, I’ll add that to the list of videos 👌

[@caldwell5078]

I've used a sandman next to a JK and you are right it's deeper I think its because it has more internal volume. I have in the mail, I will try it against my Sandman

[@WinningDeadlyEncounters]

Science at the expense of longevity

[@stevevickery9715]

Ever get another jk I designed and make a single clip jig for the jk cups

[@CalebDowning]

Nice, do you sell them?

[@EdwardFassnacht]

Yo yo 👀

[@baddinosaur1548]

Everybody wants to be a commando until the real shit hits the fan.

[@staysharp_chaos]

So you bought the short barrel rifle upgrade kit with a tube and 2 baffles and then purchased the other baffles separately?

[@CalebDowning]

I got a full aluminum kit and then added the SBR upgrade(steel tube and 2 baffles).

[@staysharp_chaos]

@@CalebDowning okay right on! Thanks dude!

[@staysharp_chaos]

@@CalebDowning you ever messed with the quiet bore?

[@CalebDowning]

No problemmo 👌

[@CalebDowning]

I’ve started to hear about them but I’ve never used them 🤔

[@qthestorm_patriot]

Hey Brother great video, what muzzle device did you utilize for all three cans?

[@CalebDowning]

Hey there G, Thanks! I was using the Dead Air KeyMo mount on the cans and I believe it was the SOLGW NOX muzzle device on the AR.

[@Sevendeucegroup]

You’re right that was a first round pop to my ear… Very very close my friend… Awesome build thank you for the information ..ps “sugar weasel” lmao

[@CalebDowning]

🤙 Thanks man

[@hooahextreme]

Definitely hard to tell the difference. You should get a decibel meter.

[@CalebDowning]

Dude, do you know how expensive those are? The good ones anyway 😬

[@joelgoodrich3709]

Decibel numbers are cool and all but I think perceived sound at the ear and at the muzzle are more important. Thanks for the head to head comparison. I have one jk kit in titanium with the keymo mount in .30 cal and stainless and one all aluminum in 9mm. It’s pretty awesome to have cans and stamps in hand inside of 30 days while I wait for my Sandman.

[@kolbietafoya1672]

Great comparison. Can you speak a little bit on your clipping? Looks like a double clip? Do you align the clips when it’s a double? And what baffles did you not clip? Waiting for my form 1 on my jk kit and want to be ready to roll once I receive my stamp. Thanks!

[@CalebDowning]

Hey Kolbie, I didn’t use much science to cut the clips to be honest. I cut them about 1/4” deep with a hacksaw and then used a round file to widen them out. I did a double clip because I heard that they are less picky about being aligned with the other baffles( not sure if that’s actually true or not 🤷‍♂️). I’ve played around with leaving the first baffle unclipped vs clipped and I didn’t notice much difference. I hope that helps.

[@jacobcooper3589]

What attachment are you using for attachment on the silencer that’s slick quick and easy

[@CalebDowning]

That would be the Dead Air Key-Mo system 👌

[@ronin2167]

What do you mean by clipped?

[@CalebDowning]

If you cut a little piece out of the baffle it can make the suppressor sound better.

[@fj55tyrant]

The second time that mag caused a malfunction I would have wood chucked it.

[@rorysmith896]

Can you run yhm turbo k with keymo adapter on dead air flash hider and everything be compatible and run properly?

[@CalebDowning]

That’s how I run it 👍

[@g.barrett8410]

Is the expansion tube on your JK suppressor steel, titanium or aluminum?

[@CalebDowning]

This one is steel.

[@g.barrett8410]

@@CalebDowning A wise choice, if wanting to run supers!

[@g.barrett8410]

@@CalebDowning Where did you get your form-1 JK tube engraved with your logo on it? Looks great!

[@CalebDowning]

Downing Fab out in Phoenix AZ (it’s my brothers business). Probably easiest to get ahold of them on IG.

[@SBSRIVERA]

How did you clip the baffles on the JK Can?

[@CalebDowning]

Hacksaw and a round file. Super non scientific.

[@SBSRIVERA]

I know JK Armament now sell a jig w/ 2 drill bits for the baffles, one for the caliber size and the other for clipping in 9mm & 22Lr.

[@truenation9890]

Jk looks better to me

[@yngstrjoe4313]

What type of adapter are you running on the end plate/ barrel for the quick connect?

[@CalebDowning]

That’s the Dead Air KeyMo Mount( Omega DA428).

[@UrbanTiger74]

Did you use the JK Armament drill bit and jig or did you go another route?

[@CalebDowning]

Yes sir 👍 I used all JK parts and jigs.

[@UrbanTiger74]

@@CalebDowning Sweet. I was just asking because I did as well on my JK pcc kit. But after doing so I showed a couple people who own cans and they said that I should open up the bore more. Specifically to .40 to allow some room for error. Their concern for me was possible baffle strikes. Clearly you didn't have any with yours.

[@CalebDowning]

Ya I didn’t have any 🤷‍♂️ You could always enlarge the holes but you can’t make them smaller.

[@boostedbadboyzx12r31]

@@CalebDowning I find that a few baffle strikes take care of that problem. Lol likeeeeeee a gloveeeeeee lol 😆 😂 🤣

[@justinparker7902]

Does that fixed rear sight obstruct the view of the EOtech reticle ?

[@CalebDowning]

No, I can still get a clear picture of the reticle over the sight. 👍

[@Kentucky.Tactical]

Clip all the baffles on that JK. There's nothing to gain by not clipping them all. It will be quieter with them all clipped.

[@Kentucky.Tactical]

Also, you should of single clipped.

[@mikhail805]

Looking to get into form 1. What’s the exact set up you have for your jk armament? I love the quick detach. TIA

[@CalebDowning]

That setup is Steel blast chamber and first 3 cups, additional aluminum cups on the end of the can. I’ll run as close to the same caliber endcap that I’ll be shooting. The mount is the Dead Air KeyMo mount. All in all, it works pretty well for me.

[@rung1915]

Can you help me how to do form 1 and process with the JK arm stuff

[@CalebDowning]

Here’s the video I recently used when submitting my Form 1’s. If you have specific questions your best bet would be to hit me up on IG and I’d love to help you out the best I can. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZCzhJ53qdtrodU

[@rung1915]

@Caleb Downing awesome im gonna give you a follow in IG

[@rung1915]

@Caleb Downing what is your ig?

[@CalebDowning]

The link should up so be down in the description of the video.

[@debclark986]

So are you running a Key-Mo on that JK?

[@CalebDowning]

Yes I am 👌

[@AndreiDoroftei]

what does clipping do?

[@CalebDowning]

I’m no scientist, but my understanding is that clipping disrupts the gasses a little more and makes the can a bit more efficient.

[@SamSam-ih6nt]

SM seemed a tad more quiet

[@jaketillywilliams118]

Whats your mounting set up and muzzle device here @caleb?

[@CalebDowning]

The mount on the JK is a Dead Air Key-Mo and the muzzle devices on the guns are Dead Air mounts of different varieties brakes/flashhiders. My favorite Key-Mo compatible muzzle device is the A2 style one from Forward Control Designs( 6315KM )👌

[@jaketillywilliams118]

@@CalebDowning thanks dude!

[@djcrazy60]

Does the JK work with surefire muzzle devices?

[@CalebDowning]

You’d need a custom mount. I believe BSDFABWORKX on IG makes those.

[@stevegraves7040]

can you just buy the dead air back end?

[@CalebDowning]

Yes you can 👍 that’s the beauty of the system. You can find it pretty easily online, just search for “DEAD AIR KEY-MO ADAPTER DA428” and you should be able to find it. I know SilencerShop and Capital Armory have them in stock.

[@AlecMcCaskill]

How did you clip the Baffles?

[@CalebDowning]

I used a hack saw to cut about 1/4” and then a round file to widen the cut. Nothing very scientific.

[@dennislintz1]

what is the advantage of clipped baffles?

[@CalebDowning]

I’m no scientist but it adds turbulence to the gasses which keep them in the can longer and should result in a slightly quieter can.

[@devilmanable]

What mount are you using?

[@CalebDowning]

The Dead Air Key-Mo(Omega) mount.

[@ajspear4087]

how did you clip your baffels?

[@CalebDowning]

Hack saw and a file 👌 very scientific 😁

[@ajspear4087]

@@CalebDowning haha! Did you have a specific design in mind or what and did you notice a difference?

[@CalebDowning]

I just tried to make them all uniform 😁 I don’t have a full set of clipped and unclipped to test out side by side so it’s hard to tell how much of a difference it makes. I want to say it helped 🤷‍♂️

[@ajspear4087]

@@CalebDowning Thanks for the info!

[@patjoslin4087]

What is the diameter of the Jk vs dead air? Length? That plays a major role

[@CalebDowning]

The diameter is 1.55” and the length is modular.

[@alancobian2371]

Is the key-mo mount universal if you don’t mind me asking ? I found one that’s for the omega suppressor would that work ?

[@CalebDowning]

The Omega one will work. There’s also a Saker model and that one won’t work.

[@daddyoUSMC]

Are you using the jk armament war eagle? What are you using to mount it to the flash hider?

[@CalebDowning]

I haven’t used the War Eagle yet. I’m unashamedly a Dead Air fan boy, as such I run their Key-Mo mounts and adapters any time I can.

[@jz362]

So what was the mounting device?

[@CalebDowning]

That’s the Dead Air Key-Mo mount.

[@jz362]

@@CalebDowning thanks brother. Nice

[@CalebDowning]

I checked yesterday and they were in stock at SilencerShop and Capital Armory 👌

[@turnitdowntyler]

Very impressive. I think you would have had better performance with single clips instead of a DHC though.

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks 👍 I might have. I may do that on another set of baffles 🤔

[@Physics072]

Could not not assume everyone in the world knows what a DHC is. Spell it out for the people that are not in this tiny niche bubble.

[@CalebDowning]

Basically it’s a Double Clip vs a single Single Clip. So two clips per cup like I did.

[@turnitdowntyler]

@@Physics072My comment was directed to the OP… but yes, DHC stands for Double Hybrid Clip (2 opposing cuts of the baffle at the cone). It’s used in contrast to a Single clip. DHC is typically not recommend outside of certain niche cup types and applications. It was original touted to be best for minimizing POI shift. But that comes at a loss of suppression. Single clip POI is nominal IMO and the suppression is superior. It’s recommended to Single clip all your baffles and align the clips in a row, in the tube for best performance.

[@Physics072]

@@CalebDowning Here is the thing, most people have no idea what you are talking about. double single triple infinity clips? You talking hair clips?, belt clips? You take the time to make a video yet not explain what you are talking about. Clips?

[@mikethomas5412]

Interesting video. You might want to cut back on your Redbulls before recording 😉 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks!

[@CalebDowning]

Thanks Mike, haha copy that 😁

[@rung1915]

what bolt (bcg )are you running brother?

[@CalebDowning]

I don’t know the brand, but it’s a simple mil-spec carrier. The bolt itself is an AIM Surplus 7.62x39 bolt.

[@rung1915]

@@CalebDowning ever played with the boot leg adjustable

[@CalebDowning]

Dude, I literally got one a month or so ago and have been playing with it. Very impressed 👌

[@rung1915]

@@CalebDowning great to know! As soon as i get my jk arm eform1 back ill see if i need to buy it

[@roush0741]

Dead air is the best I love my wolfman and my sandman L in my new mad and my mask HD I couldn't ask for better

[@CalebDowning]

100% agree 🤙

[@shawnwillis7561]

What was your wait time on the form 1. From check cashed to mailed to you. I'm wanting to do a form 1 on an mp5sd can.

[@CalebDowning]

I’ve done a couple recently and both were right under a month.

[@stephenharvell476]

I just did a form 1 for a SBR (august) and it was 14 days from submission to receiving the email with the approval.

[@shawnwillis7561]

@@stephenharvell476 did you have to send a copy of the paperwork to your Leo or is it automatically sent? I want to sbr an mp5 an mp5sd and a can for the mp5sd. Thinking about doing it all at once. Ive done form 4s sI I know how to fill it out. Just wanna know if I send both copies to ATF or one to them and one to Leo.

[@stephenharvell476]

@@shawnwillis7561 yes i had to send a copy to the sheriffs office. I just mailed it and the ATF finger print the same day.

[@shawnwillis7561]

@@stephenharvell476 ok. I kept hearing people say that you have to send the ATF 2 forms and sets of finger prints and photo. So one goes to ATF and one to Leo. I've gotten my suppressors through silencer shop so it was all automatic. Thank you sir

[@arjones2330]

Is she spicy!🤣

[@CalebDowning]

Just a bit 😁

[@rshack4927]

For all the trouble you went to (and all the ammo you shot) it would have been much better if you could provide more than just vague comments ("it's a little spicy"). Use a noise meter app on your phone to measure the sound. That would be much more informative. Also, you never told us precisely what your Form 1 suppressor is, and how the number of modules changes the size. Bottom line: you could teach everybody a great deal more if you planned out what you were gonna do, provided info about the facts of suppressor size as you made changes, and used a measurement tool to provide some actual info rather than just subjective impressions. Please understand that I don't wanna rag on you. You've done more to share info than I have. I just think it could be so much better if you'd think it all through first and made some decibel measurements. Thanks, and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[@CalebDowning]

I hear ya. I’be tried the phone app meters but they are so obviously off that I just feel it’s a waste of time. I would love to get a really meter but those things cost a fortune 🤯 I didn’t give every length on every host but I did go from all the baffles down to one to show what it would do. This channel never really was supposed to be a super technical channel with a lot of specs and data. I’m simply another guy who has a hobby and wants to share that hobby with like minded folks. As such, I try and shoot my videos like I’ve got y’all with me and am just sharing my thoughts. When y’all have questions about specific things I always love to give my best answer or help find the answer just like I would if you were there with me. Don’t take this the wrong way. I really do appreciate your feedback 👍

[@stevenbailey8478]

How did you go about clipping your ik?

[@stevenbailey8478]

Oops jk

[@CalebDowning]

I used a hack saw to cut about 1/4” and then a round file to widen the cut. Nothing very scientific.

[@steveo1413]

I always lock and load my rifle, take the mag out, put it back in and THEN turn on my optic. Jesus man, tighten up your weapons handling procedures and be an advocate of safety and professionalism in our sport.

[@chanceprice5376]

What mount and muzzle are you running?

[@CalebDowning]

Mount is a Dead Air KeyMo and the muzzle devices are the Sons of Liberty Gunworks NOX, the A2 style KeyMo from Forward Control Designs 6315KM, as well as standard Dead Air KeyMo brakes.

[@ryanbest2554]

What mount are you running?

[@CalebDowning]

I run the Dead Air Key-Mo “Omega” mount. It will work with any 1.375x24 threaded cans and allows the use of Dead Air muzzle devices.

[@ryanbest2554]

@@CalebDowning did you use rocksett or anything at the connection of the mount to the first tube? Any issues when taking the mount off the rifle of the tube just unscrewing from the mount instead of the mount releasing from the rifle?

[@CalebDowning]

I adjust my setup too much to rocksett or loctite anything. I have had some times when the mount and the “blast chamber” start to separate but if that happens I just grab the mount and give it a twist. So far it hasn’t been an issue 🤷‍♂️