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[@neilfox4626]

I just got a pair of 10" D110. They are on sale in gloss at $999. A real step up and now less money.

[@georgetek]

Nice. I see a d110 in my future.

[@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag]

That's an absolute steal. They cost €1500 over here in Europe. Which comes down to approximately 1600 USD.

[@FonsieClaw]

I am loving these subwoofer reviews. This looks like a great sub, expensive, sure, but it seems to warrant its price tag. The microphone looks cool too, erin! Thanks a lot for all the great work as usual. You're the best.

[@crankthetunes7989]

I have one and I love it. It blends nicely in my small room. Watching the long excursion woofer do its work is awesome.

[@Clint3571]

I am not in the market for subs and will never have a sub this small, but your videos are so damn good, I watch every one. You are the best audio reviewer and your hard work does not go unnoticed.

[@ravington666]

Excellent review as always. Would really appreciate a review on the JL Audio D110 or E110.

[@homeboi808]

2:37, only if you have a crossover between them. Many 2.1 non-AVR setups do not have/use a crossover on the mains. Just a caveat for those who are starting out.

[@JayRuf3438]

Great review. I was looking at the JL subs. Amazing performance for such a small size. If you need a compact subwoofer, the price to value ratio is there. But my thought is if you have room to go with a bigger subwoofer, you can find something that digs lower for the same price.

[@jordanhermant659]

We're a JL Audio dealer here in Toronto, Canada so thumbs up! I can definitely vouch for the inhouse engineering skill and expertise - we've worked with them for unusual installations for their large inwall subs and they completely understand their products and are very generous with their time. Regarding your results, there isn't much real bass content below 20Hz in most mainstream material, so performance in that low-20Hz range is much more important that under 20Hz unless you're listening to some very specific pieces. I hope people understand how significant that 5db output difference is - every 3db is a doubling of loudness, so that 5db will definitely be noticeable. Last, your measurements were really comprehensive, much more solid data than we usually see in a review but what did you think of the sound? Measurements are important but in the end, what it sounds like is most important. The little D108 works well for both theatre and music. Just found your channel today - it's great! Thanks.

[@KimmoJaskari]

I use exactly this type of setup that you discuss about 3 minutes in - I have tiny 10 cm tall Cambridge Audio MInx Min22 speakers, and they only go down to 120. So I back them up with two tiny Cambridge subs to provide the bottom end. And it works very well. Not really home theater level bass but passable (it's my gaming rig setup, not main setup).

[@calebmyoung]

I have the Bowers & Wilkins ASW608 and it it's performance is incredible. I highly recommend it to anyone needing a compact sub. Additionally, isolation pads/feet can really help a subwoofers performance.

[@danielezzet8870]

By any change is the Q Acoustics 3060S in your list of subwoofers to review in the future? I really dig the form factor

[@sudd3660]

that Dominion D108 looks like a great subwoofer for the price, size is a crucial feature for some, and for those with eq then the max output at 20hz is the metric to beat. hope you keep these subwoofer reviews going, going to make a great comparison chart in the end :) do you have any way to measure total signal delay and impulse response or waterfall graph?

[@khong9146]

Great review! thanks!

[@ac7183]

Microphone thing looks good! Your daughter has good taste. Good review as always. JL makes nice stuff but I doubt I'll ever get any of their home audio stuff.

[@alainbesario6679]

again another great review Erin. Well done. Hope you can give me insight cause I am quite contemplating this vs the KEF KC62 and REL T7x. looking for a smaller sub-package that will easily blend into my 2 channel setup. Using a set of Magnepan LRS+ as my main speakers. I am leaning towards the KEF KC62 since they have an inboard Input Output high pass filter bass management. Also, somebody is selling a JL audio dominion @ Audiogon for 500 USD. I believe it is a steal for the price, but it doesn't have as much technology as the KEF for versatility in integrating 2 channels. Hope your experience and opinion on this matter help me in choosing the right sub for my 2 channels. My room is quite small to medium size. TY so much for your YT channel. more power and Godbless.

[@user-mz6lt2pr9s]

Thanks for all the mini sub reviews. I can’t fit the big ones in the corners of the front wall in my listening room. Agree that using the SVS app to control my pair of SB1000 Pros makes it fun and easy to use and I can adjust settings if I want to between different songs. Get a 12 inch cone in a 13 inch box and dip down to 20 Hz. Hard to beat for the $449 each deal I got (pun intended).

[@Darkcruzer23]

Love the comparison to similar products with the graphs. Would be awesome if that was the new norm

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

I’ll try to do it but with speaker reviews it adds more time and I’ve noticed that most people don’t want to watch videos that are longer than 15 minutes, unfortunately. It’s hard to spread the message if you can’t get people to even open the video. Always a battle.

[@Darkcruzer23]

you know best. you already do so much for us, i wouldnt waste your time on stuff people dont watch. keep up the good work!@@ErinsAudioCorner

[@bryansu]

Hi, will u be getting some hsu sub for review.

[@jamesbaranowski8755]

Nice review about human head size haha. I hope you are able to get some of the bigger ones someday. Always been interested just not a whole lot of there with real reviews.

[@shipsahoy1793]

Thanks for the review, Erin. Based on the performance and the design/engineering involved with JLA D108, I’d say it’s competitively priced. I think it may be difficult for people to appreciate that bc of the cost of admission. Personally, I’d rather have a really good pair of floor standers (preferably 3-way) for stereo, and I would certainly be going over budget on a HT application using these subs. For anyone with the budget and the desire and ability to incorporate these into a setup system, I wouldn’t anticipate dissatisfaction.

[@s37en_gr]

Hey Erin, nice review man. So i own Dynaudio Special 40 and due to small space/angry wife factors, my only options for a sub is this D108 and KEF KC62. Price not being a factor , strictly for music listening and looking for best speaker integration and elevation of my current listening experience, what would you recommend?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

That’s kinda tough … the KC62 is smaller, I believe. The JL has more output capability in the 40-60Hz region by about 5dB. If midbass output is priority then JL. If size is priority then KEF. If you happen to go with the KEF and plan to order from any of the below stores, please consider using my referral link. It would be greatly appreciated. Amazon: amzn.to/45VyDwT Audio Advice: www.audioadvice.com/?referral=erins-audio-corner Best Buy: howl.me/ckCCe6kvxNg Crutchfield: howl.me/ckCCbjXueOp

[@chrislowe5575]

Is it possible to run it by connecting it to a soundbar?

[@we8463]

“We love you too, Erin” 😂 Thank you for all your reviews you are one of the few people who provide scientific data rather than just subjective opinions! JL Audio is definitely overpriced because they go through dealers who mark up the products by 50% since the margins are 50 points!

[@gotseoul123]

I had a friend (RIP JJ) who had a side business (never actually had a storefront LOL) and got me two 12" W7's for half of MSRP brand new in 2015. I still have them, they still sound incredible. But yeah, the markups are wild otherwise.

[@briancampbell7712]

do you think an a JL E110 is good to pair with my rubicon 6 for music and movies...i don't need thumping crazy actin bang bass in the movies...but i want bass extension for my music that my previous rel T7x could not give me...

[@emalior5000]

I have the jl E112, kef kc62 and I've tried in my room the svs sb2000 and pb2000. The jl e112 has a lot of low end extension and limitless output whilst the enclosure is completely silent. The svs sb2000 kicks and draws attention to itself and cannot come close to the e112 in both output and low end extension. The pb2000 is absolutely terrible for music and not bad for movies but it has a monotone single note type bass. The JL e112 wipes the floor with the pb2000 even with movies as not only can the e112 dig deep it can play each frequency precisely and each note sounds distinct. I do think the e112 is over kill for my 5 x 5 meter room. I could have and should have bought the e110. I'm using it with small kef ls50 meta bookshelf speakers and it's probably not the best match for strictly music as the ls50 meta is a little weak in the 80, 90hz region and the jl e112 isn't strongest In the upper bass. Since you are using floor standers I don't think there is a better sub out there at any price than the e112. It will fill in the bottom end below 80hz beautifully with extension similar to a massive ported sub but with the finesse and sound quality of a sealed sub. I bought mine when they first came out for half the price it is now. It's ridiculously expensive now.

[@justinbeamon6624]

Not bad at all! For a small system the JL performs well! On their Dominion line it seems the engineering has met a price point that is somewhat affordable for anyone wanting a compact solution.

[@soumyajitdeb3943]

Fabulous review and a great little sub. Those numbers easily prove why this sub deserves the price.

[@bbfoto7248]

Another aspect of all of these types of active subwoofers (or any subwoofer for that matter), that Erin can't really test is the reliability and longevity of the driver itself, the cabinet construction, and the electronics/amplifier. I know from experience that JL Audio goes to great lengths to use high-quality parts and construction to deliver a reliable product with good Q.C. And they are one of the best in terms of providing useful information for the setup and adjustment in their Owner's Manuals. Their tech and warranty support is also top notch and they are based in the U.S.A. So while their prices might be high, you will most likely end up with a product that performs at a high level which will also remain reliable for a long period and will not need replacement due to failure due to manufacture defects, cheap construction, or electronics, etc.

[@KimmoJaskari]

Which EQ mode did you use on the Monolith? Oh, I see now, the THX mode, which has by far less bass extension than the other EQ modes, I thought that graph looked a little too anemic.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Yes. But for both the EQ modes the CEA test fails at 20 & 25Hz. So pick your poison.

[@300ZCorradoVR6Z]

Is Stephen Ponte still working for JL? Haven't talked to him in probably a decade.

[@Wookie32812]

Anyone worried things at JL might change with the new owners?

[@davidfuller581]

Erin - any chance you'd be interested in testing one of Present Day Production's MUM-8 monitors? I might be able to set you up with them if so.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Actually, I would be. Shoot me an email or message me over on Facebook and we can talk. Thanks for the offer!

[@FOH3663]

THAT would be killer! Love that channel and truly dig those monitors. Yes!

[@bbfoto7248]

​@@FOH3663 Agreed. BlieSMa + Purifi is a pretty stellar combination. I use them in one of my car audio systems. 😊

[@tomaszoslizo9226]

Erin if you talk about 80dB do you mean average level using dB(A), dB(C), dB(Z)?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

The data is unweighted. If I’m talking about my listening then that’s average midrange output with the subwoofer reasonably level matched to the in-room sloped response.

[@anthonyanello1244]

Good review and I agree that the JL Audio subwoofers are the real deal. I had a D-110 which is the 10 inch version of this subwoofer and it was excellent. Ultimately though I had to sell it when I bought main speakers that were closer to full range than the monitors they replaced. I simply could not achieve an integration that sounded as consistently good as I would have liked. Issues like (I believe) midrange coloration because of in room response of the subwoofer above the crossover, midrange coloration from cabinet resonance and occasionally "hard" sounding bass (I believe) because of being out of phase with the signal of the main speakers. Of course output is important but so is the subwoofer's integration capability which can make or break the success of the application. For your reviews to be more complete they should include some aspects of the performance of the crossovers and in-room response measurements of the crossover filters- are they really providing 24db reduction per octave at the given frequency for example. Other examples would be to actually relate your experiences with integration into your system with various speakers. Without reviewing integration capabilities we have no indication or prediction of how they might work in our systems. Peace and keep up the good work.

[@bbfoto7248]

Having Erin test the "integration capabilities" of the subwoofer is somewhat pointless, because everyone's specific ROOM and the placement of BOTH the mains AND the subwoofer in that unique room will be the primary influence on the quality of the integration that can or will be achieved. There's simply no way Erin can provide you with a meaningful in-room apples-to-apples comparison that would translate to any particular subwoofer being used in YOUR ROOM, and with your specific setup. There are just way too many variables. That's the one good thing about having the objective data for each subwoofer which can all be compared on an apples-to-apples basis. If you know what SPL level your mains are capable of while remaining linear, or the maximum SPL that you want to achieve for normal listening, as well as the the low frequency extension limit of your mains, you can choose an appropriate matching subwoofer based on the objective data. How easily or how well you're able to integrate the subwoofer comes down to the properties of your room, the avaliable placement options of your mains and the subwoofer, and your listening position. The JL might integrate perfectly in Erin's room and setup, but not achieve even close to the same results in yours. With decently performing subwoofers, the sound quality and impact you achieve is pretty much determined completely by the room and placement and how you specifically adjust the settings in your unique system. Erin can't replicate that. It might also depend on if you are primarily using the subwoofer for a Home Theater application, or just for Music, or for both. IME, 95% of people who have a subwoofer in their system primarily for music listening have the output of the subwoofer set way too high! This will make it quite difficult to "musically" integrate and will result in the issues you stated...midrange coloration, resonances, muddy midbass, or "hard"/peaky bass. Also IME, most people are not accustomed to hearing truly musical and linear, non-distorted bass. If It's done right, you will not "hear" the subwoofer itself at all. For music, you shouldn't hear or "notice" that there is a subwoofer in the system other than having smooth but tight extended low frequency response. Most people want to "hear the sub", so they adjust it far too high until it is overpowering the music and is no longer providing a smooth, integrated, and balanced/natural/musical spectral balance.

[@MasterMark5]

JL makes good subs, they are just a bit more expensive especially the higher you go up in the chain and stay small until you hit their fathom line. I always thought they ran a little hotter than other brands and i was close to buying one before i heard perlisten and now i own a r210s which is awesome and i plan to eventually add a 2nd

[@joentell]

I'm a JL Audio fan. That Monolith THX 8" was in weak sauce mode (THX mode.) That other preset would show that it's much closer in performance to the other two subs. I think it might even outperform the others at certain frequencies.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

The Monoprice outright fails 20 & 25Hz CEA-2010 tests in the EQ modes. So, it’s a toss up.

[@joentell]

@@ErinsAudioCorner I get you. Limited SPL at lower frequencies for the THX 8". I would expect that since they use a 150w amp and probably a less beefy driver. That CEA testing is definitely good info to have. I bought 2 of the THX 8" and they got the job done in my living room. You could get 4 for the price of the JL, but that might defeat the purpose of getting a small sub. 😁 Also, sending super manly bro love your way.

[@nyrep1]

someone had the d110 on sale for 999 last week .. i started to pick up a pair

[@stevekalle6969]

That JL is a W7 for car audio. Had a single 12" in college with a JL amp almost 20yrs ago (i feel old lol). That thing hit haarrdddd in my little Honda.

[@emalior5000]

The dominion line does not use anything close to the w7 driver. That would be the fathom line

[@lennart637]

Judging from the group delay, my guess is that SVS uses digital signal processing for their low end, while JL uses analog filters (like Linkwitz Transform) to achive the low end in theses tiny enclosures.

[@TokeBoisen]

My guess would be a more aggressive high-pass for the SVS, and both brands using DSP. SVS tend to use very steep filters on the low-end, and that kills group delay far quicker than boosting

[@joshdekubber3631]

You're correct the Dominion line and the E series from JL don't have DSP

[@wadimek116]

Maybe it's driver Qts difference? Honestly I have no idea why group delay is so low below 20hz. Is gorup delay normalized to spl? Or it could be that good because it has lower output there?

[@joshdekubber3631]

@@wadimek116 JL uses industry leading technology called DMA Dynamic Motor Analysis and that coupled with the engineering that goes into their incredible drivers and internal components and build quality. Achieving all this performance without DSP. "All signal processing is performed in the analog domain, ensuring very low latency in critical applications." This helps keep the group delay very low and when comparing to other subs it's easy to notice the difference in speed and accuracy also the extremely low group delay under 20 Hz is easily noticeable when listening and translates to extreme control at the limit whereas other subs with higher group delay you can easily hear them fall apart at the same levels and turn into a muddy mess.

[@seanb3303]

The 10 inch is on sale for $999

[@BuffSquadBigBenni]

Love you too man

[@laurenttardif834]

Do people really listen to music at 85dBA? I’m in an apartment and at 65-70dBA it’s pretty loud and I’m beginning to think that my neighbours might hear my music

[@emalior5000]

Come on mate 65db is just background noise in an urban environment. Also 85db at 40hz is very different to 85db at 4000hz. Our ears and brain can't hear low frequencies like high frequencies hence why recommended target curves have elevated bass and rolls off at the extreme highs.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Erin.. You Rock Dude!!

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

Thanks!

[@deathlocktf4057]

I bought a D110 like a year ago, just for the small size, to be used with a 15'' Monitor Audio SW only for Home theater and not more than two movies per month. For the size is a good component but mine failed two months ago, no power, fish smell. I've been reading and found this is a problem affecting several owners, some even said theirs have failed two o more times. I buy a lot of HIFI and home theater equipment and this is the first component broken in my home in more than 15 years of this hobby. The repair is expensive so I will give it one chance, if it fails again it will be thrown to the garbage.

[@mohamedahmed1023]

I can't go back to a non-app subwoofer. The use of an app just makes dialing in a sub so much easier. You can do in 15 minutes what it would take literally hours to do.

[@jgsabato]

Pretty good results. I have not heard any JL Home subs, but had several of their car audio subs in the past. One that I particularly liked was a cylindrical tube, cut in half with an 8" driver and a single port. Very compact form factor, very good extension and was designed on the SQ end of the spectrum ( even though the SPL was pretty decent) Tight, well defined bass good to about 25Hz. Never saw that form factor used again, too bad, as it would fit in some pretty tight spaces.

[@csj9619]

I've owned several JL products including 3 first generation Slash series car amps. When those hit the market in 1997 or '98, it was a big deal because JL subs were among the best at the time. I'll admit, these were the best amps I'd owned up to that point, BUT also by far the costlyest. (500/1 $650, 300/2 $450) Back in the old school car audio days (late 80's to mid 90's) quality USA made power was around a dollar per watt, so in 1998 these were really pricey amps, relative to the competition. I'm aware it costs alot to do your own R&D and such, but I just cannot justify purchasing something that's 2× or 3× what other quality brands cost. In all fairness, all 3 of those amps from 1997 still work.

[@mr.blackhawk142]

@csj...Please learn grade 5 English skills.

[@NakeanWickliff]

Can you explain why you would compare the subs 30dB below where they start to roll off? To me this is where most people place the cut off for harmonic distortion meaning once it’s 30 dB below the fundamental note you can’t hear it. Wouldn’t this also mean that you wouldn’t hear this if it’s 30 dB below where the sub start to roll off? So why compare frequencies too low to hear?

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

I don’t follow. I’m not comparing 30dB down points. -3dB is F3.

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@ErinsAudioCorner kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3bZpX-wbbulpas You're comparing these subs at 15hz when it's like 50db down from the f3 around 31hz. I don't understand this comparison. Both will be inaudible at 15hz so I'm confused why it would matter that one is 3db above other? The svs is showing almost the same output as the JL at 20hzwhich is about 20db down from the f3 and shows more output above 30hz.

[@MRPC5]

@@NakeanWickliff I think you are confusing volume and frequency.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

@@NakeanWickliff because it’s a metric that some may care about. 🤷‍♂️

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@MRPC5 I don't think I am but have been wrong before... Look at the link above. comparing 2-3db extra gain that the JL has at 15hz but that 15hz is like 30db below the the f3 of around 31hz. It's not useable output therefore doesn't make sense to compare. The response has already dropped off the cliff.

[@we8463]

They just dropped the price $999! Still too expensive.

[@royrodriguez4779]

Hey! We love you too! 🤣🤣🤣 guess it got weird!

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

😂😂

[@audio_facts]

JL Audio has fantastic performance. Efficient, low distortion - and great looks as well. If you have space constraints and can spend a lot, JL Audio is a good candidate for sure. But, the long term reliability issues of their products make the price too high IMHO: I've had quite a few JL products, and especially the biggest, most expensive subwoofers all struggle with suspension durability (mass vs. spider strength) and rotting foam surrounds. Anyway, I find it really weird to buy a $1100 8" subwoofer.

[@sudd3660]

but you have to give JL some credit for beating a dual 8" svs. and is the durability issue for car use or home?

[@bbfoto7248]

Really, which models? I've had good experience with their products and whenever I did have a question or issue they took care of it promptly.

[@commanderrussels2612]

yeah. JL has great support, but I've had a lot of failures with their home subwoofers. not something i'd buy out of warranty, that's for sure.

[@JoseFerreira-zb7wh]

Would be nice if you could review some european manufacturers' gear, specially subwoofers, as there aren't many reviews and i think there are some good ones from brands like for example magnat, canton, quadral and xtz. This would be great for your european subscribers (and maybe for others) as british and american brands' subwoofers become a lot more expensive here.

[@ErinsAudioCorner]

I’d be happy to. But i’d have to find somebody willing to send them to me. Most of the stuff I review comes from viewers or manufacturers, or I’ll purchase it myself.

[@JoseFerreira-zb7wh]

@@ErinsAudioCorner i understand. Just keep an eye out for it! 😀

[@avnut5517]

Really nice review. Interesting it does so well on the ULF, especially at higher levels. I would like to see the 10in.

[@IrenESorius]

👍‍‍😎👍‍‍

[@BL-yj2wp]

Below 20Hz the output capability actually tracks pretty closely with the KC62 that has less volume but more driver surface area and presumably less excursion. Maybe as a takeaway from the last couple videos: Even for 1100€ (or however much the KEF costs) these companies can't cheat physics, if at all possible, a bigger sub would be a better option. But in a small space small subs have come a long way and money does buy good performance with certain limitations.

[@msmith954]

You are correct... you can't cheat physics, but you can negotiate with it. :)

[@annenominous7220]

none of these small subs are really subs, in my view... when they roll off at 40hz, meh... i want 25 to 40 hz flat. for me i don't care about 16-25, just rattles my windows.

[@sudd3660]

when you have heard the deepest bass or the high impact bass you do not want to go back :) i went from a 21" subwoofer to 6.5" for about a decade, life happens sometimes. it can be done

[@hom2fu]

some people for car audio said that 6.5" create cleaner bass. everything for speaker is a trade off

[@FOH3663]

​@@hom2fu That's straight up bass mythology. There's nothing inherently superior about smaller cones ... actually, quite the contrary. It's a physics equation; ie., it's the area and stroke of the cone. Other characteristics certainly play a roll as well, including but not limited to; - moving mass (affects sensitivity) - inductance (affects speed) - force factor across the stroke - power handling

[@dougg1075]

Just get the Gotham and be done:)

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

ngl it’s a cool gift

[@2002ZRX1200R]

If looking for 8" sub for ht or music, just pick up a quinn q8, toss it in 1.4 @ 24 with a vent mach of .04 and feed it 200w. Save money, gain extension and transient response.

[@mikejames-drummerreginacan1386]

I use 2 x JL 10 " subs in my car. 10 years of Canadian winters and still going strong. Thanks.

[@madcrabber1113]

Like anything it is only overpriced if you pay it.

[@hitechburg]

SVS might have the best price to performance ratio in subwoofers.

[@bbfoto7248]

While they don't have the wireless app features, I'd look at the Rhytmic subwoofers as well.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Beard game looking fantastic ❤. Thanks for the review.

[@eyeshezzy]

they price like Apple. Thanks for that quick review😅

[@HyPex808-2]

W7s FTW!!!

[@Casey.S.]

Fine. We don't love you either 😤😭 jk, lol. Thanks again for the content!

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

Shouldnt these small subs be cheaper? Less weight and materials…

[@sudd3660]

you can make small things cost more if you put in the effort, if you scale things up and keep the quality a 12" cost twice as much. it all makes sense.

[@wadimek116]

So its one of the most overrated subs especially that people praise them as best ever. I think perlisten subs might outperform them but I don't remember probably would need to compare graphs to be sure. Still its really good for the form factor

[@csj9619]

yes, overpriced. not a good value