#JLF

James Cuno with Irving Finkel, moderated by Homi K. Bhabha
Presented by Getty Foundation

[@Avgeek1564]

I work at the British Museum, Irving is such a great guy!

I enjoy his lectures and respect his intellect and humor. IMO he's a remarkable ambassador for the U.K. In our (US) vernacular the old guy is a hoot.

[@Avgeek1564]

@ he certainly has a brilliant sense of humour!

[@KellendirsCorner]

Am I the only person who skipped the questions answered by 'whatshisface' and only listened to Dr. Finkel? I think not...

[@pablocastaner1933]

Not something to be proud about, mate.

[@Jamie_Pritchard]

Irving Finkel is the only reason I clicked. The man is fascinating and and a captivating orator.

[@sagebias2251]

Some people are way better than others at preserving historical artifacts.

[@danielnewhouse7033]

Always listen to Irving Finkel! This guy is great!

[@MeMe-pj8ve]

Just found out about Irving yesterday and have been binging all of his works/interviews/videos!

[@bethbartlett5692]

I want to see a SPECIAL with *Irving and Graham Hancock!* Those two Gentlemen are REAL ACADEMICS and REAL HONEST with REAL LOGIC - and have a True Passion for Ancient History. Both are Genius and STARS! I ADORE IRVING! Irving is the greatest jewel in all of the UK! USA Judge - Gives Irving a 10! 🍀🇺🇸

[@rankcrush4374]

I'm in total agreement with you! However, my perfect intellectual menajahtwa.... Irving, Hancock, and more Randall than you can handle Carlson. If you know Graham Hancock you got to know Randall he is amazing.

[@themadplotter]

What's with the caps?

[@8698gil]

Graham is a pseudoscientist. REAL scientists don't take him seriously.

[@bethbartlett5692]

@@8698gil Graham merely researches and writes facts supported by artifacts, science, and data.

[@8698gil]

@@bethbartlett5692 He drawsr the conclusions he WANTS to draw. Not the right conclusions.

[@dermotmccorkell663]

oh irving your legend grows. Finkle for world leader.

[@Statist0815]

Hard to see that Dr. Finkel had to waste his time with these two .......

[@crbielert]

I feel all this obsession about people's differences, whether appreciating or denigrating them is entirely the wrong viewpoint. We should be rejoicing in our shared humanity rather than obsessing on our difference.

[@rsr789]

Homi K. Bhabha did a great job moderating! I wish more moderators were like him.

[@DarcyWhyte]

Please update the title: "Irving Finkel Punks Everybody"

[@freeholdtacticalmed]

Team Finkle! Go Irving…

[@lampanish]

wouldn't it be great to be able to digitally enter any Museum in the world and via Virtual Reality walkthrough and handle all objects situated therein!

[@bethfaulkner6477]

Thank you for putting up with us.

[@FOLIPE]

I think there's an argument for a partial return of some meaningful objects, which I think should be discussed in a case-by-case scenario. I don't think it's reasonable for institutions that simply are older and were/are supported by imperial states to say they have the right to hold most of the important pieces of the "shared human history" let alone those pieces that are specially relevant for a people and/or state.

[@ReunionMana]

Absolutely agree, it is a shoddy, perhaps unintentional defense of imperialist actions in past centuries to simply decide that “well none of what happened before matters, what really matter is the now” because we all know good and goddamn well it is easy as fuck for an old white dude to just decide that, and if anyone thinks for a moment that the opinions of these men are not colored by their literal jobs and educations being in museum keeping, then they are seriously on another planet logic-wise. Of course the men in charge of the british museum want to keep it how it is now-god forbid someone who actually belongs to a culture that the british empire tried desperately to stamp out and stole everything from demands that their heritage which was unjustly taken be returned in the name of fairness and justice AS THE UK AND EVERY OTHER DECENT COUNTRY DECLARES ITS OWN CITIZENS DESERVE.

[@missadel804]

Irving's totally my homeboy

[@hans-christianbauer5947]

Irving is a great speaker who can make even boring topics interesting to listen to. But the other two guys are prescription drugs for insomnia!

[@sravanvedala7811]

Hahahahaha….prescription drugs for insomnia…couldn’t stop laughing for a minute….

[@ansiedeswardt]

hahaha

[@scott1554]

Moderator was awful, only wanting to interact with the boring guy.

[@bethfaulkner6477]

Yes you can not undo history. Keep it positive. I have a musket to.

[@mu99ins]

There are still parts of the world where there are ancient artifacts that are targets of religious zealots, and ancient sites with objects inadequately protected from tourists. So, the first concern is the preservation of ancients things, we should identify those things that are at risk and protect them, if possible. Not always possible due to war and poor regional politics.

[@tayro7265]

Document everything in every museum and private collection via HD 3D recordings at the highest resolution possible. Make as many copies as you want. Devalue everything so as to protect from theft or mutilation by hiding the originals by non disclosure of which is the original. The statue of David or ancient text mean more than the art it's self.

[@Jean-yn6ef]

💚

[@VibrationsfromMirror]

Just as pertinent in 2020.

[@bethfaulkner6477]

I remember a man that went down with the collection. They came for his artifacts in Iraq. Poor guy.

[@bethfaulkner6477]

Your getting red. Your a hero.

[@annprince5298]

Pomposity and egos have a lot to do this , Irving is being himself erudite and funny, but the other two are using their vocabularies trying to sound intellectual but is not coming across. Palmyra was a disgrace and a useless act The instigators are actually destroying their own heritage ,so they are poorer for it. Professor fiinkel is being very patient and showing himself to be more honest than quedtiner and the other guest.

[@billdude1313]

Why did the states allow foreign scholars to excavate in their countries in the first place? Once the hard work is done the state wants the rewards of the toil. Why didn't they employ their own scholars to excavate?

[@safebans1369]

One answer would be greater resources of the foreign scholars due to greater resources of the countries, economies and instututions to which they belong compared to the countries from which certain objects are taken.

[@jannetteberends8730]

Ever head of colonialism?

[@lampanish]

Mr. Homi was trying to emulate Irving...he shouldn't go there.

[@Arelak]

Two PC speakers and one who doesnt give a shit.

[@bethfaulkner6477]

Your so funny. Thank you for relating to the general public. I guess it's good for government. It is so important for me to see history evolve.

[@bethfaulkner6477]

Don't mention Trump God why there is no less curiosity. This should never been in discussion we all love antropoligi.

[@zdenkopecirep2812]

thievs

[@kelthuzzadofnaxxramas2725]

Who?

[@zdenkopecirep2812]

@@kelthuzzadofnaxxramas2725 englishmans

[@fokkenhotz1]

are they implying the British museum give the middle east back their treasures why what craziness... 🤪

[@johnthekeane]

Oh fuck, I hate philosophers! More Finkel!

[@NotMeButAnother]

Conservation, loss of knowledge and context etc. are all good arguments, but references to "this was lawful in the past" ring hollow to me. Colonialism was lawful by the law of colonial states and genocide was lawful by the laws of Nazi Germany. Legal positivism isn't a good position to find yourself defending.

[@jackhooper3927]

might makes right. to the victor go the spoils.

[@nicholas3354]

Objects are only objects, and history is only history, and culture is only culture. It is the One Eternal Truth which is worth guarding and preserving. I like things and people and culture myself, but we must keep our minds right and priorities straight; we do not want to worship humanity. The Only God Yhvh bless and keep you and shine His Face upon you. Thank Messiah, your Savior.

[@sagebias2251]

Identity is dumb

[@TheGodlessGuitarist]

As much as I love Dr Finkel, he really has a 1 dimensional and probably an imperialist attitide to the subject as much as he imagines himself apart from imperialism.

[@amaxamon]

Soi Boi was so wrong about Trump - he had/has most of the nation but had little control over the state, which has given itself the power to continue to persecute him even though he's out of office.

[@jannetteberends8730]

Although I’m a huge fan of dr. Finkel, the other two speakers certainly have their merits. Probably a bit more difficult to follow, they give a broader insight in the several aspects of retuning old stuff to the country of origin. It’s not a black or white thing, that became obvious for me. But Paris should give the Mosa-saurus back they stole from Maastricht. And the U.K. must give back the Elgar marbles.