The scene from the women when Mrs Haynes confronts Crystal Allen!
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@anncohen66748 жыл бұрын
That scene was more than acting.
@clarekelly1799 жыл бұрын
An epic, classic, and hysterical film! Love me some Joan Crawford! She had the best lines in this movie! 😂
@markrichards68632 жыл бұрын
It's a fun movie. I think Roseland Russell stole every scene she was in.
@akrenwinkle Жыл бұрын
@@markrichards6863 I think Roseland was a ballroom in New York.
@jacobnorris57254 жыл бұрын
Both Joan and Norma were terribly, terribly gorgeous.
@lestermcgee51227 жыл бұрын
Joan steals the hell out of this scene. sorry, Norma.
@srkh89664 жыл бұрын
Lester McGee She’s supposed to steal the scene-she has the best lines!
@drewdeflon44974 жыл бұрын
So true.
@thomstephens3 жыл бұрын
Yes -Norma was a creation of nepotism, Miss Crawford was a self-created incarnation which is why she surpassed and outlasted Mrs. shearer/thalberg.
@pbackhouse3253 жыл бұрын
I disagree! Joan is fiery and iconic, as always, but this scene wouldn't be the same without Norma's quiet, strong, steady rebuttals. It's a perfect balance between two powerful actresses (each in their own way).
@luckyrabbitnumber3 жыл бұрын
@@pbackhouse325 I agree with you. Norma is playing the wife and the society lady, whilst Crawford is playing a cheap side chick type. They’re obviously going to act very differently!
@stevetrowbridge74253 жыл бұрын
Watched the epic fight scene in Mildred Pearce with Joan Crawford, and then came and watched this scene with Joan playing a completely different character, and she does both so believably. Great actress.
@belenheredia20243 жыл бұрын
That's why I hate people who disqualify the talent of Joan Crawford, the actress, she is among the greats of Hollywood! Her career is amazing
@shaleenaf.70953 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with both of you. For example,the fact that Bette Davis is thought of as a better actress is crazy to me. They're equal. Different but equal. Joan was on her level but often got dealt crappy scripts..
@fliplinefungus2 жыл бұрын
@@shaleenaf.7095 Bette also had a much easier ride, because she was (and still is) the critics' darling. But I like both, and I think they were equal talents. Joan is much easier to watch, however.
@galenstone90977 жыл бұрын
Crawford owned this movie:)
@millers38887 жыл бұрын
"I kept still because I knew it wouldn't take long for Steven to get fed up." "Don't lay any bets on that, Mrs. Haines, I'm not you!" Dem fightin words!!!!!
@hebneh6 жыл бұрын
Considering the censorship of the time, that "I take it off" line is a surprise. Very suggestive.
@Jeng42807 жыл бұрын
This was my mother’s favorite old movie. And since her death in 2015 this movie came up once on TCM and I cried because I remembered watching this movie with her and loving the costuming. These ladies were so classically dressed and modestly covered. I loved it.
@MissSovietBones14 жыл бұрын
"Thanks for the tip, but when anything I wear doesn't please Steven I take it off." So fiesty, yet understated enough to remain with some class. Priceless.
@user-sn5jr1ji9h3 жыл бұрын
This film is fabulous. And so were Crawford and Shearer! Watching this scene is even better when you're aware of their real-life feud.
@pddroo7 жыл бұрын
Crystal Allen's body language in this is everything!
@ashleyjones4606 жыл бұрын
God I could watch this movie everyday. Such an iconic scene
@emin54884 жыл бұрын
Her face was like a work of Greek architecture. Perfect canvas for the game of light and shadow.
@jamiecronin9672 жыл бұрын
Someone I know who worked in the movie business said her face was like a blank canvas and make up is what made her so beautiful. She had good bone structure but needed make up.
@spectaclereplication6 жыл бұрын
Joan totally dominated this scene and towers over poor Norma xD
@mv52037 жыл бұрын
"But whenever anything I wear doesn't please Stephen, I take it off." That is the most brilliant line in all of movie history. The most brilliant scene is when Bette Davis shakes the snot out of her deluded friend in, Old Acquaintance.
@annedavis60904 жыл бұрын
@De St Vida slapping Mildred was by far one of the best confrontations in all moviedom. imho 👏
@LATINHANDS654 жыл бұрын
The tee shirt is awesome! Most people get a it right away.
@errolpletcher9186 Жыл бұрын
Miriam Hopkins. She and Bette hated each other and she took great pleasure in shaking the shit out of her. In her autobiography, Davis talks about the day she shook Hopkins the set was packed to the roof with spectators wanting to see it lol.
@scottweaverphotovideo2 жыл бұрын
Crawford is terrific in this scene, especially when you think of the real life rivalry between Joan Crawford and Norma Shearer. This movie let them finally have at each other!
@irinag.brooklyn65609 жыл бұрын
Did this dialogue for my acting class ! Love it !!
@Vejur9000 Жыл бұрын
I think, this was Joan Crawford at her realest. Her toughness, her survival, her steel. Well done.
@drewdeflon44974 жыл бұрын
Loved Joan in this. Beautiful, funny, & really steals every scene she's in. Also, Roz Russel amazing. Both should have gotten Oscar Nominations
@pacoc21097 жыл бұрын
miss Crawford,a very beautiful diva
@Psergiorivera9 жыл бұрын
LOL!!!!!!! Norma and Joan are AMAZING!!!!!!! This movie is a riot!!!!!!!!!
@Cmc99512 жыл бұрын
Joan Crawford was straight up priceless in this film,i just love her. I wish she did more REAL comedies. She was funny. But she really could act too. This was her film
@Madelyn54545 жыл бұрын
Fabulous acting
@cincygurl9 жыл бұрын
Such and amazing, classic Hollywood film! Some true legends in this scene.
@Rydel611 жыл бұрын
this movie is fabulous, the remake was total crap, im sorry but Eva Mendez cannot even begin to hold a candle to Miss Joan Crawford
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
Rydel6 Yes I don't even know what they were thinking when they did that remake. The story doesn't apply to actual modern women.
@fliplinefungus3 жыл бұрын
The main reason why it doesn't work is because they modernized some parts of the story but not others. Also, they all but killed off Sylvia Fowler (Rosalind Russell)
@jessebacon817 Жыл бұрын
They tried to make it too modern with the women empowerment stuff rather show the cattiness.
@meeeka Жыл бұрын
Some female producer was thinking, "an all woman film! People will think I'm a genius!!"
@Mspike4564 жыл бұрын
Joan Crawford should have got an Oscar
@timw24982 жыл бұрын
George Cukor was the perfect director for this. A huge queen knew the story.
@manley198312 жыл бұрын
"Oh, I can be soft on the right occasion" The 1st Femme Fatale
@lost_comment6 жыл бұрын
Crawford had the best lines in this movie, bar none!
@darkseaofempathy11 жыл бұрын
Norma was actually very popular during her time, and was dubbed the Queen of MGM. She was hugely successful during her reign, but sadly she has yet to be rediscovered by modern day society. What a beautiful lady!
@deshawnfoster9204 жыл бұрын
She got roles thru her hubby. Fair actress, not a beauty.
@grantc614 ай бұрын
Her acting style was of its time. In this scene, Crawford nearly blows Shearer off set. Maybe if acting styles in early sound film again become popular, people will rediscover Shearer. But don't count on it.
@use-ThatIsWhatIamTalkingAbout Жыл бұрын
Joan's character is the only one that works for what she has.
@BreezerBeej4 жыл бұрын
I saw this clip and instantly rented the movie from Amazon. Thank you for showcasing this JC jewel!
@02chevyguy12 жыл бұрын
"Thanks for the tip, but whenever I wear anything that doesn't please Stephen, I take it off. Now, get the hell out of here so I can put on my come-fuck-me-pumps and do my wire hanger and fan dance".
@gordonhall75210 жыл бұрын
"can the sob stuff Mrs. Haines. You noble wives and mothers bore the brains out of me" !!! "whenever anything I wear doesn't please Stephen, I take it off"!! I LOVE YOU JOAN! She should have played more of these sorts of roles. Crawford was a consummate actress and this scene makes Shearer look like the spoiled Hollywood princess she was. The only reason Norma rose to any notoriety was because of her marriage to Irving Thalberg. GO JOAN!
@user-sn5jr1ji9h3 жыл бұрын
No need to put down a very talented actress just to lift another one up. Both Crawford and Shearer were phenomenal actresses in their own right.
@KatjamiErosEa2 жыл бұрын
maybe you should watch this documentary about Norma Shearer, she had much to overcome in order to get in films....kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpmreoiDrdWDrKs
@grantc614 ай бұрын
@@user-sn5jr1ji9h Uh, no, Shearer really wasn't that great. Her style was of its time and looks completely artificial today.
@DAVEJJR6 жыл бұрын
Poor Norma, she knew Joan stole this scene, and she probably begged Cukor to cut it out of the movie!!!
@DeepScreenAnalysis5 жыл бұрын
Dave Jordan Norma is excellent in this scene, Joan stole nothing.
@gauravw69474 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Norma's performance was so plain in this scene, Joan acted circles around Norma...
@jessebacon817 Жыл бұрын
@@DeepScreenAnalysisnope your wrong.
@DeepScreenAnalysis Жыл бұрын
@@jessebacon817 no I’m not. Norma held her own.
@dvlaries14 жыл бұрын
Joan resented the hell out of Shearer having Thalberg as husband and career wizard, but to a large degree it was ultimately a misplaced enmity. By the time their respective contract days at MGM were over in the early 1940s, each could point to a voluminous body of work with many individual high points, and "The Women" was one they shared. Nobody knows how to build stars of their caliber anymore.
@corym8358 Жыл бұрын
"If he couldn't he's an awfully good actor." SNAP!!
@srkh89664 жыл бұрын
I like Joan’s practical nature.
@lestermcgee51227 жыл бұрын
Long Live Joan
@tetsuya67411 жыл бұрын
Its hard to believe but as Popular and well known as Joan Crawford was in the movie business she was not the lead actress at MGM...that was the Queen of MGM: Norma Shearer.
@user-bt7ix6sw2g3 жыл бұрын
because she fucked irving, joan movies paid norma and garbo movies, and she's the only one of them who survived the 40's (and the 50's... and the 60s)
@jessebacon817 Жыл бұрын
Well during this time she was called box office poison along with other top actress such as Katherine Hepburn. So, she wanted to be in this movie to regain her status.
@lindaeasley43365 жыл бұрын
Joan was charmingly wicked in this !
@Satanna.avemaria Жыл бұрын
Joan was so good at playing a villain omg 😍 she’s so good. If there are any more villain roles she’s done let me know 🥰
@BrandonClarke76 жыл бұрын
Why is it woman always want to blame the other woman and not the man.
@bobrodgers81975 жыл бұрын
Brandon the shapeshifter l
@michaelmorris72384 жыл бұрын
they also tblame the men too.
@jamiecronin9672 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmorris7238 I believe both are to blame. But the man more. Neither is innocent.
@JESUSISLORDforevermore8882 жыл бұрын
That’s so true. Steven was the one married.
@fancycharmed15 жыл бұрын
Norma was never the victim of her films before the code came in. If you've seen any of her pre code films you'd know what a fantastic trailblazer she was.
@ramoictech5 жыл бұрын
Joan nailed this one!
@omargoodnesssake3 жыл бұрын
“...you and my husband aren’t going on seeing each other.” “That’s rather up to Steven, don’t you think?”
@02chevyguy12 жыл бұрын
There was a small excerpt in "Mommie Dearest" when they were in France for their Christmas vacation, Joan had Christina get her hair cut short. When she saw her, Joan remarked "You look like Norma Shearer". Christina goes on to write "I knew that wasn't a complement".
@lestermcgee51226 жыл бұрын
02chevyguy Christina was full of shit
@JESUSISLORDforevermore8882 жыл бұрын
@@lestermcgee5122 maybe so..but AREN’T WE ALL? 🌺🌼🌴
@southernbrooklyngal13 жыл бұрын
OMG, this film plus all about eve, carmen jones, double indemnity, etc showcased real actresses, not the crap we are given today, long live the classic queens of cinema, you are so missed.
@InDevMasta12 жыл бұрын
This is the one and only time these two MGM rivals went at it on screen,movie history
@jaydarwin20366 жыл бұрын
Queen Joan !!
@markrichards68632 жыл бұрын
Neither remake hold a candle to the original.
@MrStpendouslvforjo4 жыл бұрын
That was BRILLIANT!
@brianobrien79832 жыл бұрын
Love this scene. Notice how differently they're lit! Miss Shearer insisted on a key light that was just a little bit brighter than anyone else's.
@grantc614 ай бұрын
"Miss Shearer" LOL
@MrFalconford13 жыл бұрын
this film is now a historical document, and it was not because norma had married the chief of MGM it is because norma could convince a audience with the statement, Im glad you understand the strength of sentiment, its beauty is something you will never know, this statement is one of the turning points in the history of cinema, sentiment was not a crime then, but it is now, it is considered a weakness when in reality it is associated with strength ie: Venus DeMilo, Mona Lisa, Evita, etc..
My favorite line from this film is delivered to Crystal (Joan) from Russell who accused her of keeping secrets from her: "I got you into some of our best houses; afterall, it wasn't easy putting you over." HOWL, HOWL,HOWL!
@6omega27 жыл бұрын
Okay, after watching this three times, please tell me that she never actually lit that cigarette, but that it magically lit itself, because that's what I'm seeing.
@JloveLamar4 жыл бұрын
It isn't lit. The smoke from the match makes it look like it, but she does not light it.
@user-jv1cl2fs6m Жыл бұрын
I saw the same thing. She struck the match, said something snarky, looked down at the match, it was about to burn her fingers, she waves it out and back to snarky
@darkseaofempathy11 жыл бұрын
You're almost correct. Norma was a smoker, actually, but only socially. She smoked out on the town around others, but she was very dedicated to keeping herself looking as healthy and youthful as possible, so my guess is her cigarette intake was limited to parties and get-togethers.
@davedvlaries77647 жыл бұрын
Norma and Joan, in fact all star actresses of their time, put themselves through punishing exercise and diet routines to preserve a youthful look as long as possible. Whatever rudimentary plastic surgery existed then was the province of accident victims, for example, and certainly not employed to serve vanity, like today.
@dvlaries13 жыл бұрын
"...Norma gives an effectively spare performance. Warned by Cukor the character could easily appear a worthy bore, she brings a minimum of weight to the pathos of betrayal and concentrates on the struggle not to betray her feelings. With impeccably restrained technique she gains sympathy by never playing for it." - "Norma Shearer," Gavin Lambert, Knoft Books, 1990.
@Eurafrican14 жыл бұрын
golden hollywood- I love that movie... these two were natural rivals, acting each other off the screen.
@aldodanilo13 жыл бұрын
Crawford is really good when she does not play victim... This is her best performance ever.
@andrewmark27836 ай бұрын
It's difficult to compare her best work because it's just so different. My favourite performance of hers was in another Cukor film ("A Woman's Face").
@reddherron33732 жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen this! JC was out here Side-Chicking like a Champ…D R A M AAAAAAAAAA 😂
@sigmundgrizli28968 жыл бұрын
Stay out of here!!!!!! LOL
@caraqueno13 жыл бұрын
Norma Shearer was a very good actress, especially here in "The Women" and in her pre-code films. With "Escape" (1940), her acting only improved. By that time, however, she lost interest in her career after Irving Thalberg's death. She really loved him and he mentored her. Also, Louis B. Mayer, her boss, tried to steal money from her. That really turned into an ugly mess that only further soured her on her career. Good thing her films are being shown and reevaluated, showing her gifts.
@grantc614 ай бұрын
Meagre as those gifts are...
@caraqueno4 ай бұрын
@@grantc61 I, and many others, would disagree with you but everyone has and can share their opinions.
@BrandonClarke75 жыл бұрын
I will.never understand why woman want to get mad at the other woman. Get mad at your husband. Hes the one your in the relationship with. Mary was just weak but then again. The time period really shows. Woman felt having a piece of a man is better tha. not having any man
@michaelmorris72384 жыл бұрын
oh women get mad at their husbands too for cheating believe me.
@jamiecronin9672 жыл бұрын
It was the time. Back then woman were expected to have good morals
@darkseaofempathy11 жыл бұрын
She was gracious to agree to allow them to share top billing, wasn't she? I think Norma was the sort of woman who couldn't have cared less about feuding with others; she was noted for being gracious and well mannered to everyone who crossed her path, and probably just didn't see a reason to fight them.
@davedvlaries77647 жыл бұрын
Says Rosalind Russell in her 1976 autobiography _Life Is A Banquet_ : "Norma Shearer had it in her contract that only one man could be co-starred with her. On any picture. No woman's name could be up there with hers. For _The Women_ , she'd capitulated [on May 3, 1939, a week before filming began] and said Joan Crawford might also be starred above the title, but when it came to me that was another story. She must have felt she'd been pushed far enough. I, on the other hand, was not willing to settle for billing that said 'with Rosalind Russell' underneath the title. I'd already starred in pictures and I didn't care to be demoted." Russell waited until about halfway through production and staged a sick out. "You couldn't do that early in the picture; they'd just replace you. I wasn't holding up production, they had plenty to shoot without me, but I let it be known that I might be under the weather for some time." On June 13, 1939, Norma signed a second contract waver: "I now agree that both Miss Joan Crawford and Miss Rosalind Russell may be given co-star credit with my name, provided however, that in no event shall Miss Russell's name appear in size of type larger than 50% of the size used to display my name." That stipulation must survive in perpetuity, because even on the latest BlueRay issue, Russell's name is indeed half the size of Norma and Joan's.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
No, Shearer was not kind and friendly to everyone. A lot of women did not care for her.
@Themanwhocameback26 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! I guess if Roz's name were any bigger on the Blu ray, Norma's estate could sue?
@emilymschoener91934 жыл бұрын
@@davedvlaries7764 Wow. What a great billing tidbit. Thank you.
@ClassicswithCourtney9 жыл бұрын
Norma Shearer in this scene is pretty good and she is the only reason I want to see this movie. The only thing I thought June Allyson did better in "The Opposite Sex" was the scene where she slaps Joan Collins. I wish Norma's character did that Joan Crawford's character. (The Opposite Sex was a remake of this film)
@goodowner50002 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was a heck of a slap June Allyson layed on Joan Collins- and it was VERY REAL, you actually see one of Miss Collins' earrings go flying..Collins has talked about that scene in interviews, and let's just say NAR- No Acting Required!
@agenttheater58 жыл бұрын
What I kind of like about this scene that I didn't like about this scene in the remake is that Mary is wearing black and still looks fashionable in this version whereas in the remake she's wearing white lingerie that's at least one size too small for her and Crystal is wearing black. I get a little sick of the stereotype of the "good" one wearing white and the "bad" one wearing black, no subtlety.
@oceans807 жыл бұрын
Good point! Smart costume designer.
@greenonions529610 жыл бұрын
Joan Crawford was good as the cheap gal in this film. Pretty good at making you hate her character in this one.
@gordonhall75210 жыл бұрын
Joan, in my opinion (though not in this particular get up) was twice as pretty as Shearer. Joan OWNS this scene.
@DeepScreenAnalysis9 жыл бұрын
Gordon Hall - I think Crawford looks like a man in drag here. Shearer had such feminine grace.
@gordonhall7529 жыл бұрын
Messylin You don't like drag? Norma Shearer looks and acts like a cream cheese haus frau. Grace? Total phony.
@DeepScreenAnalysis9 жыл бұрын
Gordon Hall - You are a hard one, aren't you? I love drag, but I also love real women like Norma :-)
@gordonhall7529 жыл бұрын
Messylin No. I think she was a half-baked Irving Thalberg driven actress who got all the juicy roles handed to her. Joan had real talent as this scene attests. Shearer's acting is mannered and unbelievable. Don't get your panties in a twist now.
@VTMCompany5 жыл бұрын
Norma Shearer - The Women confrontation! (She's the one who confronted, not Joan.)
@megaswenson11 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Maybe it was to show that the character had more self control? Or maybe to show that she made a lot of nervous gestures? Was unsure, deep down, of what course she should take?... as in it was showing that Norma Shearer's character was getting to her, and she knew the jig was up?
@JulianneHannes13 жыл бұрын
@fancycharmed Damn that Hays Code! Pre-Code was the real golden era of film
@dvlaries13 жыл бұрын
Part 2) "While Shearer grew up in comfortable surroundings and only knew hard times when she became a teenager, Crawford was weaned on abuse and rejection. Two daddies deserted the family before she was 10. While still a child she cleaned toilets in a boarding for girls and was disciplined with a broom handle." - "Complicated Women," Mick LaSalle, 2000
@Cmc99512 жыл бұрын
Funny, the roles Norma got,Joan would've done them 10x better, while Norma was a very good actress, Joan was more intense
@paulj0557tonehead4 жыл бұрын
I love Crawford's acting since Rain (1932) However her phone scene in The Women was a 40 take nightmare that took like 8 hours. iirc
@killbill224112 жыл бұрын
Geez those two could go on all damn day, couldn't they?
@ScinLaeca3587 жыл бұрын
Wasn't too long after this that she started to get scary, but she still looked good here - Joan Crawford I mean, who gives a fuck about Norma Shearer. During the 30s I think she was more beautiful than all the supposed greats like Greta Garbo and especially Jean Harlow
@ThePharaoho7 жыл бұрын
BLTKellys Joan was beautiful in her day, especially in the 1930's. Joan's beauty then rivaled both Garbo and Dietrich.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
This was made in 1939. Crawford looked good for years after this. She still looked very good in Mildred Pierce. It wasn't until the middle 1950s that she started looking severe.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
Menelik Charles I think she prettier than either of them. I never really found Marlene Dietrich beautiful, and IMO Garbo was overrated in that department too. For a short time, Garbo's face was stunning but it didn't last long. Joan Crawford thought Garbo was beautiful though. She wrote about meeting Garbo on the studio lot once when she was a young starlet. Apparently Garbo took Crawford's face in her hands and said "beautiful". Joan wrote that this was the only moment in her life when she actually considered being a lesbian.
@akrenwinkle2 жыл бұрын
@@ananouri3583 That's like Bullwinkle saying it was the only time in his life when he considered being a moose.
@grantc614 ай бұрын
Re Norma Shearer: exactly.
@tula14336 ай бұрын
Norma has such a beautiful neck and back and décolleté!
@grantc614 ай бұрын
and cross eyes.
@GregoryMRD12 жыл бұрын
Interesting... Crawford is fascinating here. She reminds me of Bette Davis in "Of Human Bondage."
@rachelparay15164 жыл бұрын
NO offense to Joan Crawford fans because then I'd offend myself as I am a fan of her movies but as far as the character she plays in The Women Crystal Allen I don't understand why some viewers who comment are rooting for her and treating her like a role model when Crystal is a terrible person a home wrecker gold digger and NOT a good role model for women. She did NOT love Stephen Haines and only broke up his marriage to marry him for his money. Mary Haines truly loved him and she suffered so much I point to the scene when she cries when she learns that he married Crystal and how happy she was when she finally had her chance to get him back at the party in the final scene. Crystal Allen cheats on Stephen with Buck Winston. This woman is just a man eater who goes from man to man trying to find her next meal ticket. Even in the end she says she's going back to the perfume counter presumably to wait to see what other new man she can grab for his money. Do not applaud this kind of person. It is clear that Mary Haines is the better woman. As she said she loves her husband and his love means more to her than the name position and money. It is moving to see her talk to her daughter little Mary about how they had a honeymoon in Canada and how she learned to fish with Stephen. She loved him very much and their past meant so much to her. She did not want to confront Crystal but she felt the need to when she was told that her daughter was being exposed to her husband's liaison with Crystal. This confrontation scene is well written and has great lines but Mary Haines is much stronger in this scene for being very straight forward about the situation and confident without being vulgar or nasty. Crystal Allen is trash. All she wants is to have a lot of nice things without earning them or paying for them by landing herself a rich man doesnt matter which man as long as he gives her the things she wants. It's said that even today there are still women like that. That being said Joan Crawford was a talented and amazing actress. This type of role she specialized in (also in Queen Bee) manipulative b words but she was at her all time best as the suffering and self sacrificing mother in MILDRED PIERCE. I am not a fan of Crystal Allen. Mary Haines is the main character and we experience this movie through her eyes and we cry when she cries and cheer her when she gets Stephen back.
@eltiochusma4 жыл бұрын
"It's JUST A MOVIE, Rachel. Bring more popcorn from the kitchen."
@grantc614 ай бұрын
Calm down and get a life.
@KanishQQuotes6 жыл бұрын
Why oh why glamour is gone from Hollywood. Now they all look like girls from my office
@paulj0557tonehead4 жыл бұрын
Seriously. Today, from Hollywood, to dating, to even the NBA court... _subtlety_ and _grace_ have been obliterated.
@jamiecronin9672 жыл бұрын
Glamor make a big difference. Looks by themselve are boring. Plastic surgery is unattractive in my opinion. Something common now.
@Luvie19806 жыл бұрын
They remade this!
@RaymondHng5 жыл бұрын
It was remade twice. This was the first remake. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5amep2aZ69maMU
@darkseaofempathy13 жыл бұрын
@odovicor You're right, that would be Norma. Anne Frank was supposed to have been quite the fan. :)
@dvlaries13 жыл бұрын
Right after production of "The Women" ended in late June 1939, Norma headed to the Worlds Fair in NY and there met fellow film actor George Raft. Raft would be her most serious love affair between her marriages to Thalberg and Marti Arrouge. The couple wanted to marry (and work in a film together) but Raft's estranged wife kept escalating her settlement demands to a number that would have cleaned him out. The lovers said goodbye by the autumn of 1941.
@odovicor14 жыл бұрын
I visited the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam. Remaining on the wall is a picture of Norma Shearer! At least I think it's Norma.
@claytonmagee53682 жыл бұрын
Why Joan was not nominated for Supporting Actress here I'll never understand.
@georgegallucci9958 Жыл бұрын
1939 was a very competitive year. When you consider that Margaret Hamilton wasn’t even recognized for her work as the witch in Wizard of Oz, it’s ridiculous. Throughout that film you’re constantly thinking about the witch. That is what a supporting role is all about and she too was robbed.
@davedvlaries776410 жыл бұрын
The real threat to Joan and Norma was not one another, but the movie censorship that came in instantly in mid-1934, and in the form of one Joseph L. Breen. Up to that point, and since the start of the talkies, brave movies were being made that showed good women in ownership of their own sexuality. These were the roles most coveted by both Norma and Joan, and each got a share. Breen put an overnight stop to exactly those envelope-pushing roles, and allowed no question to exist about the state of an unmarried, leading lady character's virginity. Subsequently, this pushed Shearer into costume dramas, and Crawford into sexually-bloodless, corseted comedies.
@DeepScreenAnalysis9 жыл бұрын
Dave dvlaries - I'm so sorry to see they made you take down your Y&R Brenda Dickson clips. Loved every moment of them.
@davedvlaries77648 жыл бұрын
+Messylin Thanks. :) They were a lot of lost work, but at least we had them for a while.
@davedvlaries77648 жыл бұрын
+Dave dvlaries Crawford's suspicion of Shearer's motives always flew in the face of key and immutable piece of logic. As the wife of MGM's head of production, and later his widow and a major stockholder, Shearer had everything to _gain_ from every successful MGM release, Crawford's included. To make herself a sabotaging element toward a consistent revenue generator such as Joan, as Joan steadfastly maintained, Norma would have to be figuratively and _knowingly_ shooting herself in the foot. It doesn't make sense.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
Dave dvlaries Yes, and women always behave completely logically when it comes to dealing with other women who they happen to dislike.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
I guess it wasn't Breen, but whatever code they had in 1939 made them change the one clearly lesbian character that Clare Boothe Luce wrote for her play into a more vaguely unmarried woman for the movie.
@grantc614 ай бұрын
Crawford was (literally) head and shoulders above Shearer.
@windstorm100013 жыл бұрын
@VTMCompany I think its a sign of 'crossing your heart'---basically holding true to something, visually stated---could be related to an oath of some kind related to Indian culture.
@Gage196011 жыл бұрын
The Women would Norma Shearer's last memorable film. In 1942, the actress, once revered as "Queen of the Lot' would step down and fade into obscurity and Mr Mayer would not try and stop her.
@dvlaries12 жыл бұрын
Shearer retired in '42 with a very large block of MGM stock plus a percentage of on-going profits from MGM films made when husband Irving Thalberg was alive. The deal did not foresee TVs in every home one day, and once MGM began leasing films to TV, Shearer's cut escalated dramatically. Joan, to her regret didn't get the MGM plum parts when Shearer and Garbo retired, because by then Louis B. Mayer had a new dramatic favorite in Greer Garson. So off to Warners Joan went in 1943.
@02chevyguy11 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered why she picked up the cigarette, struck the match like she was going to light it and then blew it out. Dramatic effect, perhaps? Also, there were one or two scenes when Norma would light up a cigarette, take a few puffs on it and then put it out. My guess is Norma wasn't a smoker like Joan and Rosalind were.
@Themanwhocameback26 жыл бұрын
Not really, it's called upstaging - doing a little bit of meaningless physical action to draw attention to one's self in a scene, especially when another character is speaking dialogue.
@YeahitsMeSylvia5 жыл бұрын
Destruction 💯!!!!!! Lmao😂😂😂😂😂😂
@7777lizabeth6 жыл бұрын
I always liked when Joan played the tough Broad and not the sweet rolls. She wasn't sweet, was all a show in real life.
@hcombs01046 жыл бұрын
I prefer Joan to Norma, but let's be fair. Norma got to MGM before Joan did. Quite probably if Joan got there first she would have gotten the preferential treatment.
@RaymondHng5 жыл бұрын
Norma was married to Irving Thalberg at MGM.
@Fuentes1Rudy11 жыл бұрын
I loved Joan Crawford as a movie star, but Joan was envious of a lot of actresses in Hollywood and Norma was the main one she disliked and with good reason, she was the boss' wife. Norma had lots of talent and was beatifull in her own way and has a good repertoire of movies that show what she was capable of doing. Marie Antoinette was a great example, did not do much at the box office, but great acting and a great movie.
@ananouri35837 жыл бұрын
Rodolfo Fuentes You don't know that.
@christopherbrown139212 жыл бұрын
Actually, the 1st BASIC femme fatale was Eve, although there are such ancient favorites as Cleopatra, Delilah & Salome.