Joanna and Ted's Struggle for Their Son's Custody | Kramer vs. Kramer (Meryl Streep, Dustin Hoffman)

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@Agent-cz9rj 8 ай бұрын

Meryl Streep always been natural beauty, in this movie her performance was surreal, incredible that she won her first Oscar Best Supporting Actress and she deserved the award. One my top favourite movies of Meryl Streep. Dustin Hoffman outstanding performance Kramer Vs Kramer this movie won him an Oscar - Best Actor well deserved win.

@tommym321 8 ай бұрын

3:46 that wasn’t in the script and it legitimately scared her to the point that she was pissed at Dustin Hoffman afterwards

@Imaniconnie 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I felt my nervous system react. Abusive people are terrifying

@tommym321 7 ай бұрын

@@Imaniconnie Abusive people are indeed terrifying. But I didn’t get the sense that Hoffmans character was supposed to be “abusive.”

@aiai-j7i 6 ай бұрын

@@Imaniconnie Uhm...she walked out on her child...that isn't abusive??!!

@JusticefortheMemendezbrothers 5 ай бұрын

@@ImaniconnieHe wasn’t abusive at all. He was properly angry and had every right to be. Anyone who has watched this film should understand why.

@ronniecoleman2342 14 күн бұрын

I'm lucky to have gotten a Tammy wife that really loves me so I've been fortunate to have missed alot of the woman's bullshit. 12 years of great marriage now.

@PrettyIndependent1 7 ай бұрын

I need to see the full movie but so far I’m not agreeing with the comments calling this a movie about women’s movement. This is a woman trying to get herself out of a domestically abusive relationship. This man is manipulative and abusive. Mostly emotionally abusive. Just because a man isn’t constantly putting his hands on her doesn’t mean he’s not abusing her. He has volatile outbursts. She’s constantly walking on eggshells and he’s constantly justifying his behavior and minimizing it. When you are with a narcissists you become a shell of a person, so it makes sense for her to leave to find herself again, because being with him was chipping away at her. I watched another clip and He even does a monologue to the child that he couldn’t see her. He was trying to control her to be who he wanted her to be and not who she naturally was. He was selfish and everything revolved around him and he thought when he was happy that meant she was happy. That’s how self absorbed narcissists think. I see a woman who reached her abuse threshold and just knew she had to go, but didn’t even recognize she was being abused because he can be so charming. I think she thought it was best for her child to stay with him since she couldn’t figure out what she was going to do at first. But now the fog is lifted and she has a sense of self again, she wants her baby back so her child doesn’t have to be raised in a toxic manipulative environment.

@deborahsmith8925 7 ай бұрын

But the mother knew all of this when she left her son with the said, narcissistic father. She could have found herself with her child in tow. This is some new age hippie, bull even for that time.

@PrettyIndependent1 7 ай бұрын

@@deborahsmith8925 she did not know. She started collecting herself and getting her confidence back and feeling the best she’s ever felt after she left and got therapy, she tells him she realized in therapy that she is strong enough to have her son. She also somewhere later said that she didn’t know where she was going at the time so it wouldn’t have been right to take him. That’s love. It would have been selfish for her to take her child when she had no idea the game plan. When she tells him she’s leaving he rips her suitcase from her and she still leaves without it. This was a woman who all she knew was she’s got to get away from this man no matter what. It was costing her, her sanity. But away from him she finds herself again and wants to take care of her child. She loved him, she just couldn’t deal with the emotional abuse from his father. Narcissists are so charming to everyone besides the person they are abusing, if you tell people how bad they treat you, nobody would believe you. And especially I don’t think she even realized he was a narcissist, I just think she knew she felt terrible around him and reached a breaking point. When she leaves him she knows she can’t argue with him. Narcissists talk circles around you, if she were to blame him he would only crazymake and gaslight her, so she says it’s not “you it’s me”. When you’ve been in a narcissistic relationship you know sometimes that’s the only way to get away from them. They say you’re the blame for everything, and one day you just have to agree with them and say ‘you’re right, I’m sorry I can’t do anything right, I’m leaving for the both of us.’ A narcissist puts you through a catch 22, they will be so angry with you and make you feel like they hate you and everything you do, yet they don’t want you to leave.

@MM-wi5dn 7 ай бұрын

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@angelacox8322 6 ай бұрын

@@PrettyIndependent1 but as she was leaving she also mentioned how she had no patience or loses control with her child, which is why it was best she left him -- she even mentions she was "really messed up/in a bad place" when she left. I think it was just a woman experiencing the woes of motherhood myself and how difficult it is for some -- when he was asking her to come back inside she acted like she couldn't even step FOOT back in their apartment -- it's also interesting that she sounded so happy she had a job. Staying home all day doesnt suit some people. BTW, his outburst was warranted IMO -- she left him with their child, said she didn't love him etc -- swoops back in and believes after he has a routine started she can just take their son now. I get the impression his excitement to see her was hope she was wanting to come home. It would all be enough to anger any normal person.

@PrettyIndependent1 6 ай бұрын

@@angelacox8322 but if a woman is going through a lot of manipulative emotional abuse she’s not always going to be the best parent and have patience because her nerves are already shot. She also probably liked having a job because they valued her there. He didn’t value you her as a wife. He was entitled and expected her to be who and what he needed and that was her only purpose. Narcissists treat people like appliances. Her not being able to come into the apartment speaks to trauma and PTSD. And the narcissistic cycle of abuse have lovebombing, devaluing then discarding, repeat. They think I’m going to treat this person like trash so they will come groveling back to me. So he’s thinking she’s coming back home and he will have control over her again and she says no, and she wants to take care of the son. She was gone for a few months to heal, but he lived with the son his whole life and never step up to be that present until he had to. He had to find his own groove of a routine because he wasn’t coparenting his child in the first place. But for years and years the mother was, and now that she had her self collected she wanted him back. But narcissists are charming and ruthless. They often sway judges and get the custody of children. They know how to badmouth and project what they are doing onto the other person and make them sound horrific. People didn’t understand this personality disorder for a long time or know how to recognize it because they do know how to be successful, charming, business people and parents. But behind it all there is at least one person they take out all their rage and abuses on whether it’s spouse, child, workers, etc… while the rest of the world thinks they are this amazingly self sacrificing person. I think that’s what this movie captures the best.

@imthebiggesthypocriteiknow 7 ай бұрын

Hopefully in the future men and women will "find themselves" before they start a family.

@elmagnificodep 6 ай бұрын

I think you mean women, as they initiate divorce 80%-90% of the time, depending on their level of education.

@jcam5064 4 ай бұрын

And before they obsessively pair up with someone at all. Im trying to teachy kids this, but these damn biologics stay in the way.

@plinko84 3 ай бұрын

Let them find themselves. Freedom hurts no one except the abuser. You two should marry each other.

@bluevalkyrie8981 Ай бұрын

@@jcam5064teen pregnancy is at an all time low

@naemadiriye7809 6 ай бұрын

Dustin Hoffman looks so much like Al Pacino wow

@nikhilsapre5562 6 ай бұрын

The best comment I have seen on this video

@MarklovesAngels 5 ай бұрын

When Pacino appeared in "Panic in Needle Park" his first reviews compared his looks to Hoffman.

@jackbedient 6 ай бұрын

I was born in 71, now 53, divorced in 05 and kids taken by mother, but when I was a kid this would play constantly on HBO, and I watched it many times trying to decipher the adult world, and always sided with the dad, and even had some understanding of his situation. Then came Ordinary People, and then a friend’s mom took me and him to see Terms of Endearment, and he fell asleep, but I stayed awake and attentive and caught all the adults crying…

@jennisizzler 6 ай бұрын

“Kids taken by the mother” please look up the percentage of fathers who receive full custody merely by petitioning for it. All men have to do is actually ask the court but they won’t even do that, go figure.

@CaterinaGhedin-hh1yk 6 ай бұрын

I love Meryl Streep, my favourite actress, I'd like to find this movie here in KZbin, but there isn't. Dustin Hoffman is excellent.

@namara22 6 ай бұрын

Brit film The Escape with Gemma Arterton has the same complex situation where a woman juggles being a woman trying to navigate motherhood! Both of these movies are a brilliant insight into what drives a mother to want to ‘escape’ from her children and her mental drain!

@loro3849 7 ай бұрын

This came out wgen i was first married. "Find myself" was a common phrase. The woman's movement did such harm to us. I've now been married 48 years. Perfect? No, but we raised a wonderful son and we are at the point now where we take care of each other. We are solid and help the stability of our community.

@Abigael290 7 ай бұрын

What do you mean by "the women's movement "

@phillyphan1225 7 ай бұрын

@@Abigael290just what she said.. feminism has also been referred to as the women’s movement.

@lindsaydiscovers9842 7 ай бұрын

Who is "us," men in power? I'm 39, and I thank God for the women's movement every day. If I was born in the past, it would be difficult to live a decent life without a husband do to society's perception of unmarried women, and the limited options wen had thanks to sexism.

@admar6934 7 ай бұрын

@@lindsaydiscovers9842you need to wake up and smell the coffee there is no sexism nor was ,if a women didn't succeed that's on her if you don't succeed today that's on you opportunities have always been there you just not looking for them

@ec9833 7 ай бұрын

It did no harm to individual or the collective of humans…and it did no harm to YOU. So…idunno what you feel you’re talking about. You exercised your rights & had a life the way you felt it was to be designed, the way YOU WANTED IT and not one person, then or now, ever attempted to take away your decisions, your choices within your own life, so long as it didn’t encroach upon another’s. A majority of OTHER women (aka: not you) wanted the right to have something separate from what you wanted for yourself. There is nothing in women’s design, as fellow, autonomous bodies within the same species, that points to a need for subservience to anyone. And you do not need to see that around yourself. You do not need to see women in these continually proven detrimental, dangerous and even often fatal, made up gender roles. It does nothing to harm your life and your choices within it for other women to have and choose and exercise different desires than yours…in fact, it doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with you, at all. -Take care of YOU and your husband, the life you’ve been blessed with and leave other people’s lives alone. You’ve been given plenty, it sounds & if you need more…well…find it. Within yourself. Dunno what would make you and your ilk feel as though you had a right to anyone else and what affected them, when it doesn’t harm you. Weird ass, selfish ass, mentally concerning mindsets, I swear.

@jappiejojo777 12 күн бұрын

Single life sucks after a while Dating is cool and frustrating Married & Family life Will be boring after a while Divorcing your spouse is horrible Being divorced sucks But falling in love is pretty cool, makes every other phase & risk worth it

@sarahalderman3126 7 ай бұрын

Never seen this movie but I sure hope she got her little boy away from that man.

@DruzenjeSplit-nn2um 7 ай бұрын

Watch the movie...she is actually the bad guy in this one.....

@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH 7 ай бұрын

⁠@@DruzenjeSplit-nn2um the whole point of the movie is that neither one is the bad guy.

@DruzenjeSplit-nn2um 7 ай бұрын

@@LiaaaaaaaaAAAAAHH a mother leaving a small child for a year is pretty bad in my book....

@BostonBaby1000 7 ай бұрын

The mother who abandoned her child to go “find herself”? 🙄

@redmanmr2 7 ай бұрын

@DruzenjeSplit-nn2um exactly she was horrible

@RilianSharp 6 ай бұрын

shared custody

@SawyerThessing 3 ай бұрын

If anyone sided with the mom then that’s crazy.

@nnuu7618 3 ай бұрын

If anyone sided with the dad then that's crazy considering he's emotionally abusive and neglectful towards her their entire marriage, manipulative but consistently downplaying his mistakes and making her at fault.

@AkiraFelix-k2l 2 ай бұрын

What is kinda crazy is how misogyny and feminism feed off each other. They're both not about the individual making sure about what they're doing or even taking responsibility for the situation they got in to begin with. The fact that they're somehow both victims is so sickening when the real victim is the kid. They're both grownups that have freewill and decided to evade so much that they destroyed their own relationship and now they're making the kid suffer the consequences from their actions. If she had left with the kid, she'd have more sympathy from me. Because at least that would track with him being abusive, but then why comeback as if nothing happened? When Ronnie Spector left Phil Spector, she left with nothing, and she didn't comeback, nor tried to meet up with him, she called her lawyer and sued him for custody of their children. This movie really shows how "the woman's movement" (feminism) wasn't about actually thinking thighs through, or anything like that.

@phillyphan1225 7 ай бұрын

This movie was the worst-I absolutely hated Meryl Streeps character 😮 she was beyond selfish

@ec9833 7 ай бұрын

Selfish? I mean…if you’re going to glean anything from this movie, you’re gonna have to listen and believe certain things. Like when a mother says she doesn’t feel she’s good enough for her child. That’s not selfish. That’s broken. That’s a broken and deeply hurting human, in real life. We have a much better understanding of what’s going on within the human condition, today and if you’re going to take from a movie, to which may depict certain things seen in reality but certainly has biases coming from directors and writers, then you’re going to have to take from reality, as well. If you really, really want to understand the truth of things. If you don’t care, you don’t have to. But I guess we got two very different ideas from these depictions.

@phillyphan1225 6 ай бұрын

@@ec9833 then she comes back into the picture as if nothing happened and demands her son. Nah, this is just a wrong depiction. It’s the #metoo of movies..every woman is the victim, regardless of facts.

@InkaPley 6 ай бұрын

You basic

@answers_for_all4379 6 ай бұрын

@@ec9833 I see what you're saying but a small child doesn't "get" that his mother is not good enough. He needed her and she just abandoned him. That's an emotional trauma neglect that even with her coming back into his life and investing, it is still going to cause problems for him well into adulthood. Not mentioning the growing up part where he is going to think he has an unreliable caregiver who can leave him again at any given moment. So instead of justifying her behavior maybe we should just call it for what it is - selfish human with mental issues. Most people fit this category, so again, no excuses!

@Royal-Tee7 5 ай бұрын

I used to think that too, but he was emotionally unavailable. He worked and provided money, but she was left to do everything else. It wasn’t fair to her.