Jocko Podcast 225 w/ Echo Charles: Overcome Insecurity. How to Be Aggressive When You are Not.

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0:00:00 - Opening
0 09:13 - When my Boss doesn't take his share of ownership.
0:17:44 - At What level up the chain does Extreme Ownership stop?
0:35:52 - How to be aggressive when it's not part of her natural personality.
0:52:45 - How to deal with a negative complainer / Debbie Downer.
1:11:02 - How to mentally prepare for war / adversity.
1:14:38 - What to do when nobody is listening to you or respecting you.
1:51:43 - Do you explain the "why" to your team if they don't ask?
1:57:14 - How to deal with insecurities.
2:05:30 - How to stay on THE PATH.
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2:27:18 - Closing Gratitude.

[@billallen4816]

This podcast literally makes you stronger and smarter.

[@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.]

When Jocko crosses the road the cars look both ways.

[@marksortino5935]

Echo’s getting a lot better at contributing to the conversations.

[@MrDugiwe]

I've listened to a bunch of these and Jocko often doesn't let him in, or plays down his comments. There can only be one alpha I guess.

[@mjyu6510]

Oh yeah yeah more like he’s getting after it haha

[@BostonsF1nest]

“Bro brah bro brah bro bro bro brah”- Echo

[@ivantijerinaf1207]

and looking JACKED

[@BeauClark-mq5pi]

Oh yeah yeah my mans echo doesn’t have to prove SHIT

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

1:10:33 "Intention has a strong smell" good quote to remember ...

[@jordanvozenilek1092]

I love this podcast. I've been trying to implement Extrmeme Ownership for a couple years now and this episode finally crystallized for me what it all is. It's not about leadership or lifestyle, it's about solving problems. It just so happens that leaders are the people in the best positions to solve problems.

[@littlelizard3483]

Jordan Vozenilek cool lookin mando pic you got there

[@robdowdy5701]

"In the end, time will win, but not right now..." -Jocko Willink 2020

[@sneedmando186]

Thanks for this, many of us need it. Also shout out to whoever time-stamps these for us.

[@tangodelta6890]

Extreme ownership essentially sounds like what could "I" have done differently, what will I do differently.

[@Aslyanne]

I needed this 15 years ago.

[@giovannigarcia6786]

Anne Both Good.

[@billmcyrus]

Me too, but we can do what we can do today.

[@SalgadoQ]

NOW is the best momento, let's get it

[@tomquinn607]

Me too. But I probably wouldn't have listened.

[@Freddyonacid]

Who disliked this seriously? This is high quality motivational content. Keep it up jocko and echo!

[@antoinepaine8097]

Johnwaynelsd25 people who don’t wanna take ownership 😣💀

[@phil_5430]

Sometimes you dont want to hear the truth because it makes you realize how your whole life is an endless cycle of mistakes. Sometimes it may be better to live with your own lies even though you are just running away

[@randalorian9]

The guy who said everyone else is wrong, and just got owned by Jocko and Echo?

[@akimbo5u]

Echo grew a lot over the years this podcast has been going, great stuff! love it!

[@Randomzerog123]

The first hour spent looking at my biceps, comparing it to echo

[@timgallegos9491]

I agree, Echo is doing much better listening and participating with the conversation.

[@JBruce-wx1mk]

The opening to this episode is Powerful!! Listening to it again years after i heard it the first time. Really stuck in me deep down. Luv

[@martinpokorny7666]

Hi everyone....am from small coutry in central Europe...Czech Republic...this podcast have something strong...Echo Charles and Jocko doing something timeless for me...many subscribes for this...we are here in the byte poly between the USA and Russia, now China ... we need mainly peace ... nothing more ... I watch every podcast of you to understand what you really want ... like the USA ... it's mine thought no more ... a great day to everyone ...This podcast makes sense to think...Thank you...Martin P. Czech Republic Opava :)

[@Kaiserland111]

"The goal of extreme ownership isn't just to take ownership...it's to solve the problem. The goal isn't to look who to blame, the goal is to get the problem solved " - Jocko. I think this is a really productive way to approach problems, because it encourages a group effort to come up with the best solution. If everyone assumes at least some responsibility for a failure, not even full responsibility, they will be motivated to work on a solution from their unique angle. Put multiple people together, all working from their own angles, and you will have a timely, efficient, effective solution.

[@ryanlxbox7]

This was a good one. I liked Echo's counter points and clarifications

[@kianfrawley8364]

This has honestly changed how I look at some things.

[@RIDDLEUSMC]

Awesome, thanks for the PODCAST fellas!!!

[@zeuslamak3651]

HEY JOCKO, ENJOYING THE PODCASTS AS ALWAYS MAN. Much appreciated. A suggestion, please try to get DAVID GOGGINS on your podcasts. Cheers

[@akkadinc.2897]

agreed. i suggested that also. I Imagine how good that combination would be

[@SirBargvis]

Man I wish, but I remember reading that Jocko did not like Goggins much.

[@WATCHMANNPC]

“Enjoy the jam” right on sir!

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

41:20 "and then we started taking casualties"... you just picture people falling over and the leader is like "uh oh"

[@j.r.1223]

Well at least this guy asked. That's a step in the right direction, especially going to Jocko.

[@doctorartphd6463]

I enjoy your common sense suggestions. You make good sense. THANKS, BROTHER.

[@rodrigofernandezcastineira3712]

Loved the reflection on music in the beginning

[@internet_internet]

Good shit, guys. I appreciate y’all.

[@Empridon]

yay 11pm upload but its jocko so ima hear it and stay up

[@ronin_11b94]

Jocko’s voice equalizer is high bass low EVERYTHING ELSE.

[@JoshJr98]

He has bass in real life. Breaks glass when he yawns

[@mattburnett4185]

listening to Jocko on a good hifi system you need to turn down the bass setting

[@alejandrofranco4184]

Definitely necessary while I finish these essays

[@noahbradarich8621]

I watched this on the TV while I sat on the couch and aggressively ate jellybeans.

[@kianfrawley8364]

This video has really helped me understand the concept of extreme ownership.

[@rudolph1899]

“Live your life not blinded by the sun but fueled by it”

[@BostonsF1nest]

“There’s not too many hyper aggressive music teachers” 😂🤣

[@suzettekrasner]

This brings me back to when my son would jam with band mates, and this quarantine keeps me from my kids.....has put me in a negative place... can't wait to hear your podcast all the way through

[@suzettekrasner]

My son plays drums

[@tomquinn607]

Jocko's voice is right up there with Morgan Freemans or the chants of Tibetan monks. It's soulful timbre makes me feel more at peace after I've listened.

[@tammycaplan7212]

Thank you.

[@thebugsy7633]

Echo Charles is such a G. So glad he is on this podcast

[@Dos0718]

Keep up the Fight!

[@elliota.1063]

I love how Jocko conducts many of these podcasts while sometimes holding a knife--As if he wasn't intimidating enough unarmed...

[@billmcyrus]

What you don't see is that he's slicing up snacks, probably something high protein.

[@canceresbunny]

I think an aspect to consider in so far as ownership is the diference between nominal responsability and practical responsability. In that crossroad you could define a contrast between ownership and megalomania.

[@artofvalor9396]

Love listening to these guys. Therapeutic for me. So many people could use their advice!

[@williamprice295]

"Properties of percussion." 😂

[@mattbokey3655]

46:01 Poker is an even better analog to the default aggressive mindset. In fact, this is the first thing that I thought of. Many times, I'm too passive and get beat, even when I have a better hand. When I'm aggressive I win more. But as you said, some times I'll take a hit. This pushes me back to being more passive, which is WRONG. I end up losing more vs if I got back to being aggressive and identifying the mistake(s) I made.

[@Treehandler]

One thing that I've found to be true after years of trying to be that shoulder to lean on when times are tough is the idea that people aren't willing to change until the urge to change is greater than the urge to stay the same. Just because they're seeking your advice, does not mean they are ready to implement it. Stay the course, maybe it's your perception that needs adjustment.

[@teamnassar]

Jocko is our real life Chuck Norris. I have a deep found respect for this guy as a persons and most importantly, as a learned leader. We should coin a phrase as " what would Jocko do." Keep up the excellent work sir!

[@ForgottenKnight1]

23:00 What should you do if you have a chain of command and you take EO ( Extreme Ownership ) of a subordinate's mistake, solve the problem, and then later find out that the solution is not enough. It might be incomplete, and you need help, or it might be simply incorrect, or you might have a situation that is over your head. How do you cooperate in these cases with the rest of the chain of command, above you and below you ?

[@firehorse_44alpha-omega]

Beautiful intro.... Moved me. Thank you gentlemen

[@xanthippus3190]

Get after it.

[@grantharper7515]

Masterpiece ❤

[@1015BJJ]

1:22:00 my tonality is just fine! Hahahahahahahahaa

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

Real physical fitness will give you all the confidence you need.

[@joeyang1976]

Awesome. On another note, I bet Echo is really good at helping people open jars

[@defenderofwisdom]

EFonline sounds brilliant.

[@kylegrodem1035]

The most hardcore Jocko intro if you ask me.

[@frankwoods135]

People started listening to me more when I decided to f****** be more when I decided that if I talked about something then I f****** did it And then I came back and I said hey I did this and it worked or it f****** didn't look at me I'm a man of my f****** word I've got integrity. I have to f****** accept that some people aren't going to listen and some people are the people that aren't going to listen need to learn their own life lesson You can't teach that You can't make someone learn a lesson in life that they're not ready to learn yet If they're not ready to learn it through you just talking they need to learn it the hard way

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

Josh Barnett on Jocko Podcast would be awesome :)

[@peacecrafttrue]

My band director used to throw saxophone cases at students and pulled his hair out and screamed and the works, no joke. They're rare but they're out there.

[@andymccoy2872]

Process your frustrations

[@tangodelta6890]

Check

[@jeanpierrereynoso-fournel4378]

Good.

[@steve6548]

Jocko and Echo Charles: Thanks for mentioning the facemasks made at Origin. I just ordered one.

[@kroaroorocro]

“Fieros” 🤣🤣🤣

[@ronin_9]

Where can I ask questions?

[@chrisramshur938]

Jocko I think you are a mind reader. Everytime I'm going through something and boom there's your podcast with help for me to overcome these problems. You are awesome. Thank you sir for your advice and dedication to people. From this marine veteran I say oorah!!!

[@Peacock5.7.7]

chris ramshur I needed this one too to snap me out of my reservations of working from home. GOOD.

[@1str1attck]

The question at 1:14:38 hit home! Been at a new job for 5 months and the last two months i felt like ive Lost early Made relationships. Its not just one but Many and the Guy asking this really felt like ive been. Perhaps because the last two months the bjj gym has been closed due to Corona but still its my responsibility. Great, and i mean real great discussion on that one.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Lol

[@chinmay6249]

Being aggressive and being out of control are two very different things. Aggressiveness is actually more focused and purpose oriented. It should be used to gain a significant victory and position in any adversarial situation. It shouldn't be wasted on unimportant manoeuvres.

[@christopheralexander1554]

I concur fellers

[@crazymacedonianboi]

awesome you been listening! I hate to see good people getting picked and they definitely need help . thanks big dawg! I’m definitely not ur enemy! I’m ur FRIEND! doyyyyyy! 😂😜 that was my point!

[@muchodank230]

check

[@trevarhelland4998]

You really need to get Remi Adeleke on here!

[@lukegonderman3730]

Was that a stomach growl after Echo said "Good Evening"???

[@travisboothe5670]

Problems solved. Take that Debbie downer.

[@josephg.3370]

How do questions get submitted?

[@clawedmist6893]

I'm agressive but have been subconsciously trying to dull it because those around me got hurt when they went against me. Now I'm too gentle,worry too much if my opponents get hurt, especially in competitive settings which I usually thrive in. In the end its only been making me uncertain in my choices which I am going changing. Thank you once again Jocko,sir.

[@TheJuggernautKing3]

Remi Adeleke should be a guest soon.

[@rupertohernandez8242]

Put on Capt Dale Dye (USMC RET) Military movie advisor

[@Yeah_na]

Get some.

[@MRBarton369]

Expectations are delayed, inevitable, resentments. Read that again and understand the words. You're welcome

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

1:15:00 I think being "Respected", "Feared", and "Liked" are each different but get confused together. Probably good to be a little of each.

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

working example: you got The World's Greatest Crossing Guard (RESPECTABLE) directing traffic... but the kids dont listens to him, they listen to a Clown (LIKEABLE) nearby... but the Clown directs em into oncoming traffic, then he tries to stop em but the kids dont take him seriously... but then a cop (FEARED) yells "STOP" and they do,... so yeah.. maybe "it takes a village" :)

[@hturk5078]

Except when someone mistakes a lack of respect for a lack of fear. Respect and fear naturally intermingle in hierarchies of human organizations geared towards a goal, usually domination in some field. Some people try to use fear in personal relationships with strangers or family, but that is not compatible with normal familial bonds. There is no difference between liking someone and respecting them. If you like someone then you will respect their autonomy in some fashion: their comfort or safety around you, their freedom and ability to be themselves and express themselves, and the benefit that you receive when they enjoy their autonomy around you. It is a basic human transaction. Fear will bring the worst out of people in personal relationships. A fear of harm or status loss, like humiliation, or a fear of loss of social standing or loss to access of comfort, is incompatible with respect if it's taken too far. Fear should never be a doctrine for anything personal, and if it is used in human relationships at all it should be used with the understanding that a little of it (fear of joblessness or homelessness or failure) may stress individuals enough towards success. Expectations of respect also have to be reasonable. If you don't give something back to people like kindness, security, joy, trust, whatever else we consider positive, then you cannot expect unwarranted reciprocation (a delusion), or the use of fear to obtain it.

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

​@@hturk5078i agree! although, i think being LIKED and RESPECTED can be different. I might like an unemployed clown but not respect him, and i might respect a snooty nobel prize winner but not like him

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

​@@hturk5078 and if you confuse "attractive to women" with being "liked", "respected", or "feared" you can end up with a real complex :D

[@seanpatrickrichards5593]

@@hturk5078 thanks for replying to my comment by the way.. i sometimes wonder "if a man makes a youtube comment and theres no one there to read it, should he get a life?" :)

[@squash_is_life7996]

Darren! Dammit Jocko you screwed me!

[@mattburnett4185]

Ownership = responsibility responsibility the state or fact of having a duty to deal with something or of having control over someone. "a true leader takes responsibility for their team and helps them achieve goals" the state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something. ***the opportunity or ability to act independently and take decisions without authorization.*** "we expect individuals to take on more responsibility" a thing which one is required to do as part of a job, role, or legal obligation. responsibility means doing everything in your power to either prevent problems, or provide solutions regardless of other people's negligence and ineptitude for example, responsibility to drive safely and prevent crashes, despite other bad drivers. someone crashes into you, it is their fault, but your child is dead, it is their fault, but it is your responsibility

[@rupertohernandez8242]

Did Echo Charles say stucker & stucker 😆

[@BostonsF1nest]

1:14:38 damn he fuckin roasted that person 😂🤣😂

[@corylowe5557]

Echo

[@thundergrace]

I know I'm right...

[@AngryOscillator]

1:14:38 The nobody listening guy.... that potentially sounds like a kid looking for a gun. I hope not. I also hope they got to the end of what Jocko had to say.

[@vs-tm1ch]

Jocko, you should read Berserk manga. It has some of the most badass characters that you will love

[@wickd8732]

To the guy who wrote the long question, go to podcast 163 with Jason Redman. Your answers are there.

[@j.r.1223]

But the most important question is who can tap who out 1st/most often -Jocko or Echo Charlies?

[@tnjrcfl1]

J was bbelt lot longer... most likely to be the winner most often. Both beasts for certain

[@BostonsF1nest]

Echo has never tapped Jocko out

[@halodragonmaster]

14:46 Say you were to write a script for an advertisement... My brain on memes: *Raid* 14:58 ...Sorry trying to think of something cool. My brain: Raid's hit the sour spot for coolness.

[@chrisculpen9205]

Would be epic to have Ivan Trent on after all this virus crap. His big wave surfing father Buzzy prepared him for greatness. 💪🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🇺🇸

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Tactfully

[@spacemonk9624]

How do I get out of the cycle of being broke? I can't even jog because of my spine. I work six days a week and almost have to quit that job because of my physical problems. I really feel like there's no way I can get a second job. I already don't get enough sleep because I live on my friend's mom's couch in the living room and wake up at 3:30am to go to work. What do I do? Why is working six days a week not enough for a bed to sleep in, or an apartment of my own? I need another job and just don't have the energy. How do I get it?

[@photon7526]

What's up with your spine?

[@ca8335]

You can do it. The effects of your hard work just aren’t visible right now. Find a good bed, get some rest, eat some good food and get outside and walk. Walking will help clear your mind and you will see a better way.

[@spacemonk9624]

@@photon7526 Degenerative Disc Disease... I have two bad ones in my neck so I can't jog or do push ups, and a bad one in my lower back so I can't sprint or lift over 40 lbs.

[@spacemonk9624]

@@ca8335 How do I find a good bed? I'm not allowed to have one here and I can't afford another place. I can't even walk most of the time because my stomach creates slight priapism which is indecent in public. I have to hide on the couch in pain until the next day and then dread work and hate being inapropriate at work until I leave and feel like quitting the whole time I'm there. What would Jocko do if he had slight priapism when he went to train jujitsu? It doesn't feel right. I don't think I should do anything. Nobody knows what that's like, apparently. I guess I'm the only one with these problems in the entire world. Thanks for trying. I still don't know what to do, but if I ever find a moment where I feel comfortable, then I'll go for long walks, thanks.

[@thelolmaster1997]

1:17:20

[@thelolmaster1997]

1:30:21

[@thelolmaster1997]

1:43:24

[@TheSeTorsken]

1:14 kinda sounds like something Dwight Schrute might ask 😅 sure this wasnt a troll?

[@AngryOscillator]

So, this extreme ownership. I've been told that you shouldn't blame it on the sunshine or moonlight or good times but that you can in fact blame it on the boogie.... ... thoughts?

[@OPTIMUMELITE]

Whats the Boogie?

[@itsAuffy]

1:19:00 sounds like a guy I know and the solution is to knock him out so he wakes up :)

[@UserName-ii1ce]

Really wish I heard this 3 years ago when I was acting like that kid at the end

[@tnjrcfl1]

How is it possible I clicked the 1k like but 26k views? C'mon people good lord

[@brodiebriggs5759]

i had a dream last night that i almost fought a bjj guy it was super weird because in real life i know for a fact id get wrecked bc i have no chance fighting someone on the ground lol