Jocko Podcast 41 with Tony Eafrati - BTF BTF BTF BTF

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0:00:00 - Opening
0:10:27 - Who is BTF Tony Eafrati?
0:17:10 - Allowing Leif to Give Orders to the men...
0:29:04 - Failures in Planning
0:31:26 - Ups and Downs of THE BATTLEFIELD, and how it made Tony "feel."
0J:36:11 - Funny Story about Jocko
0:39:47 - Tell-tale signs that someone is Good to Go, or Not up to Snuff.
0:43:37 - Has Tony disagreed with an order from Leif or Jocko.
0:47:33 - One driving characteristic that separates a "dominant alpha Team guy" from everyone else.
0:51:37 - In the Teams, what are the biggest Reputation builders and killers?
0:59:38 - What makes a great NCO? And who was the best Tony/Jocko knew?
1:05:37 - IN COMBAT: Accuracy VS. Volume of Fire?
1:11:16 - Tony's perspective working for Jocko.
1:13:38 - The Early Days when Tony & Jocko were the "young" guys.
1:19:40 - Tony's BEST Story(s) about BTF.
1:23:41 - Tony's thought Process on what strategies/ tactics to use against the enemy.
1:28:25 - Tony's most Difficult thing he's ever did as a SEAL. Most fearful moment.
1:30:20 - Tony's favorite piece of Kit.
1:32:20 - Number 1 Quality that allows a leader to lead others into uncomfortable scenarios.
1:35:16 - Tony's attitude toward DEATH.
1:37:41 - Training New guys entering the Platoon.
1:41:05 - Civilian life: Putting the high of WAR behind you. Are you still searching?
1:47:35 - How do you keep your head in the game when one of your Squad is killed?
1:54:08 - Why is Tony "hard"?
2:03:10 - Dope Internet/Onnit Stuff

[@WanderleiSilva29]

I'm only here because Jocko said "STOP.... go back and listen to podcast 41 if you haven't already"..... I was too scared to listen to 191 before hearing 41......

[@carlosp.carranzajr.1399]

WanderleiSilva29 DUDE I did the same exact same thing! Hahaha

[@WanderleiSilva29]

That's awesome lol

[@Jayyy667]

Same

[@robkeeley3823]

Me also

[@MrThorain]

That's fkin awesome! Me too..

[@kevinh9110]

Tony on Jonny Kim: "He cant even drive a CAHHH! Now, he wants to drive a fucking spaceship?!" 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🍻🐸

[@lukphom3727]

Timestamp lmao

[@dontbugme7362]

Funny AF

[@Robert-ry2mr]

I really respect Echo for letting these guys just talk. not that he doesn't have great stuff to add, but I think he realizes these specific episodes are for these guests. in so many other podcasts the interviewers do so much dick measuring and interrupting. Echo is a quiet professional in his own right

[@orangeiceice12]

Robert Tobias echo is usually the smartest one, or at least the most insightful, in the room. funny how he's so quiet.

[@johnw3736]

Echo asks questions that civilians like me appreciate. I need clarification sometimes and echo gets them to give explanations. Haven’t seen a podcast I didn’t like yet.

[@samswilly14]

A rare skill this day and age, listening. Echo learns from every guest they have on, and the only input he has is usually questions, he’s going to be one knowledgeable sob, and his guidance will be sought after

[@CooK19XX]

Id love to be in echos seat for even one conversation. Bet you can just feel the badass in the air 🤣

[@ChaostheClown]

@@CooK19XX I can literally feel it from here lol

[@bigbob7630]

I felt kinda sad when Tony started talking about his life outside the teams. You can tell he misses it and is a little lost without it. Wish him nothing but the best in his future

[@DainMiller]

100% felt the same way. Especially when he was saying how he drinks a lot, alluding to that's how he copes with it. I really hope he finds a new mission in life that motivates him and keeps him around people he can relate to. I really really hope he finds that. I can't even imagine how hard that transition must be.

[@bigbob7630]

+Dain Miller yeah I hope jocko is helping him somehow or just giving him some guidance. Wouldn't mind Tony starting up his own podcast. He's entertaining and unique. He'd have a lot to offer.

[@1Maccabee]

He totally needs to get into either training folks, or going to work for Erik Prince or something. Totally agree with you guys, he has to find something better

[@carlosdanger4648]

He did that the whole time he was in the teams too

[@MvtthewKvmyk]

Am I the only one whose gonna ask you for a cockmeat sandwich

[@fentontuck9998]

I love rough old bastards like Tony. Tough as nails, but you can tell he's got a heart

[@kristinepaulfranz277]

💯💯💯 percent!!!

[@Nick_Shirley]

if you ever watch these usually the guests have a coconut water or some tea or something like that. I like how Tony has a tall can of Bud just chillen. "Of Cuss Naught" lol

[@diegoacosta8312]

👍

[@diegoacosta8312]

But they actually give them Jocko GO!

[@InPursuitOfArt]

This one is absolutely fucking amazing. Still not done listening, but always so great when Jocko gets one of his friends on - more Leif, more Tony - Leif & Tony together, awesome content, great stories, great lessons, thank you so much guys!

[@ChristianPretorius]

100% Agreed.

[@nathonanderson540]

Good evening

[@0num4]

GOOD.

[@vic8552]

I love that Tony is drinking a beer through the whole podcast

[@salvatoretessio4932]

Let's just have Jocko, Leif, Tony, Mike Sarraille, Andrew Paul, JP, Dauber, Jonny Kim, Jason Hogan, even the others, all in one room talking...

[@maximusjmaxwell]

Can you imagine how dope it would be if a bunch of the team guys were on the podcast in a roundtable talk?!? I would lose my shit!

[@jesseruiz6975]

maximus maxwell KZbin sofrep inside the team room

[@jeremyvillegas5019]

Jesse Ruiz You see, except Brandon Webb is a part of that.. and if you don't know the story behind him, then read around. I'm not even enlisted yet but when I heard what he did I was surprised

[@KOL0HE]

Agreed

[@nicholasmangialardi1618]

I'd like to see BTF Tony and Tim Kennedy together on an episode. Those two guys seem to be the craziest and funniest of all his guests. But a roundtable with Admiral Hulk Richards, Roger Hayden and John Stryker Meyer would be gold. The OGs smokin and jokin

[@nickjoseph2711]

"Iron Marshmallow" had me laughing out loud. So many quotables and great stories... The whole cast is great, but my favorite part by far is seeing how sincere Tony is. Guy strikes me as a pretty amazing "chum."

[@OConnor9920]

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[@dm1972]

"Yeah I heard about Sun-Tzu, I didn't have time to read all that I just hated my enemy and figured that worked." Tony Efrati Retired Navy Seal

[@maxbean8781]

What a quote. BTF Tony. Getting after it.

[@Trevor_Magers]

1:07:50 that new englander accent trying to sound like Chris Kyle was gold lmao

[@sargebeats]

damn, I nearly blew threw a stop sign driving home while listening to this one. Tony is funny as hell, please have him on more gents!

[@jakeanderson9893]

I've known Tony for years and he's an amazing person. Still see him to this day in northern nh and he always makes you feel like a friend. You can always have a good time with Tony and mad dog Mike. Respect

[@diegoacosta8312]

How do you know him?

[@jakeanderson9893]

@@diegoacosta8312 I met him through people I've worked with for 15 years. We would go to bars and fires. He's the man.

[@diegoacosta8312]

@@jakeanderson9893 nice! I want to be a navy seal when I grow up,yeah I'm just a teen

[@jakeanderson9893]

@@diegoacosta8312 if that's the path you take I wish you the best. One of my regrets is not enlisting I respect every person who served.

[@diegoacosta8312]

@@jakeanderson9893 thanks

[@davidkostreva1179]

Thank you Jocko and Tony. A Good reminder of how real men handle real adversity. I think BTF is exactly the same attitude our Founding Fathers had when they stood up to the Brits and not only declared our independence, but fought and won it. We don't have the same men or arms to beat you, but we will just BTF until we win. Awesome. Hope you are back on the podcast soon, Mr. Eafrati.

[@gpl7320]

Still my favorite Jocko podcast episode to date

[@aprilmanley4110]

Mine too

[@paigefarmer6540]

Until the next Tony episode came out 😂

[@phettywappharmaceuticalsll8842]

Damn I just found this and love it. You still slice in 2023

[@SeemaParsapour]

“Hit him so hard give his driver’s license a black eye” -Tony Gold

[@joebookwalter4913]

I've listened to this episode at least half a dozen times and it never gets old.

[@FrankieLapenna]

1:47:02 - 1:47:35 = You can look into Tony's eyes and so clearly see that he was put on this earth to erase evil. He is a true angel of death.

[@michaelsbify]

55:27 the story of big Al 50 cal...so good

[@TUBELOVAHS]

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[@BostonsF1nest]

Who’s Keith? Lmao

[@doggie7602]

Thanks, i was looking for it but damn. Good work.

[@brianmatthews609]

Jocko - I was not nor was I ever an operator, however, I was a career long support SNCO to operators (Combat Controllers/PJs) at JSOC and I cannot tell you how much I enjoy listening to these interviews! Clearly, I was not a team guy, but I worked for decades alongside the team guys doing what support guys like me do...take as much "non-operator shit" off the operator's plate as we possibly could so you guys could guy kill savages. There was a special kinship, at least in JSOC, between support and operators...clearly not like that of team guys, but similar in its own right. Although never a gunfighter I too miss the life we all once had.....being part of the greater team was and remains the more rewarding part of my life. Much of the reason I am successful after active duty is because of all of the lessons I learned from supporting special operators....they never quite so nor did we...we couldn't! They would not let problems slow them down and nor could we. Many operators chose to stay ion the team and capped out at E-7 on the enlisted side.....and so did us support guys. We could have left the special mission units and ascended the ranks, but we chose to stay and serve.....such an honor and blessing to have served with the operators...this nation's finest and I am eternally grateful. HOYA Sir! Brian "MS" Matthews

[@ericfuller8615]

Watching it AGAIN!!! BTF.

[@NoelleDeluneYoga]

So much respect for these men. I really enjoy the sit downs with his choice of guests (fellow team members especially) and the range of topics. They leave me so motivated, grateful and thankful. Echo Charles laughing in the background at them reminiscing on the funny times is me over here. Always look forward these.

[@nathonanderson540]

Good evening jones

[@NoelleDeluneYoga]

Nathon Anderson Good evening Anderson

[@WeightedCali]

Good evening Jones and Anderson

[@jzo08]

Jocko is that much more fun to watch/listen too when he is around his old buddies.

[@fasserosucks2347]

Big Al 50 Cal. Great story lmao

[@derekfurreal6784]

“Hey you wanna get some pizza” TONY: Ovcuss.

[@alexandermartinez6446]

I could listen to Tony for hours. Respect.

[@chestyp0311]

So much love and respect for this man and those of his breed. Thanks for holding the line all those years Tony.

[@benhall1741]

Can't even imagine a podcast with Tony and Leif both on as guests...laughing my ass off just thinking about it. Get it done Jocko!!

[@calilivin2488]

Tony should write a book!!!!

[@mikealessi7006]

I actually looked on Amazon hoping he did have a book . Maybe someday

[@snakeoo7ca]

He'd think writing a book is aaaahstupidd

[@salvatoretessio4932]

Hes a true quiet professional...won't find any trace of him on the internet except for... one reply on twitter.

[@kevinh9110]

Lmfao hes not even on social media, I doubt that

[@kevina8858]

Tony book would be wicked awesome kid.

[@SEALofthefuture1962]

I laughed with you guys but at certain points I could feel the emotion, and you could see it in tony, when he closed his eyes. I could see he definitely isn't where he'd prefer outside the military. I hope he finds that kick ass job or hobby that he can get after every day.

[@thefinalgrind]

Everyone needs a little bit of Eafrati in them. Refresh your Eafrati often.

[@jackdanielhill8421]

One of the best yet! Thanks Tony, you're a true legend.

[@Paul35042]

Great listening to Tony. Thanks for your service and all you did for our country. Love that he is drinking a Bud heavy. Nice!

[@willgrissom5398]

Jocko,if you could do the world another favor please have this gentleman back on or make him write a memoirs. Thanks in advance, that goes for you too echo.

[@nicholasmangialardi1618]

I'm from the future,he was on again and it was great, as expected. But I doubt anyone could make him write anything lol

[@christiancormier7847]

Wow thanks for the interview Jocko and thank you Chief. I’m from Exeter NH and I am going to look for this amazing soldier next time I’m home. I have never seen Jocko laugh so much. When he said I landed in Kandahaaaaaa I loved it! Thank you as always for your service to this great nation gentlemen. 🦅 🇺🇸

[@dnlmoretti]

Tony really needs to be a regular guest on the podcast. I could listen to him talk about his experiences for ever

[@LGZEE]

I just like Tony. He reminds me of a couple guys I grew up with. Kind a guy that takes it and keeps moving forward. I'm thankful for him and his service. Thanks Tony and all the military. He's a true inspiration.

[@JakeFerrin]

Jocko your podcast is incredible. I can't get enough of the conversations and stories on the show. Have you ever talked about Lone Survivor / Marcus Luttrell on the podcast?

[@chaseycrain]

Amazing. Hooked on this podcast now. Can't wait to view / hear the rest. Thank you!

[@desmundreid3368]

This episode was freaking bad ass! A lot of valuable lessons learned. True warriors.

[@glenndavies6068]

Watched this episode about 9 times. Amazing all around.

[@guyinthechai]

Amazing pod! Thanks so much for your service

[@andrelambert3741]

The best episode ever from Jocko podcast.

[@juanpadilla3203]

3rd time I listened to this, big Al 50 cal., lmao.... gets me every time. Also, Tony, the original BTF, favorite guest of all time. You gotta get Tony back on!!! Knowing the darkness bring me light, thankyou

[@kingfinance1508]

“LPC” Leather Personal Carriers....BOOTS! I fuckin lost it when I heard that

[@arnie24070127]

Can't count the number of times I have come back to relisten to thes podcasts with Tony. He's awesome. Would have loved to work for him

[@MrBrettAC]

I'm jogging home post workout at 0530h listening to this podcast and laughing like a crazy man.... But the video is even better!!! Always a Good start to the day. . . thanks fellas

[@gabescaccianoce1164]

When talking about team guys who call themselves seals, Tony said he'd hit him so hard it would give his license a black eye!! Hahahah I'm dead

[@coachraylo]

Eafrati is hilarious! Really enjoyed the podcast! He needs to be on more.

[@lesflynn4455]

What a great podcast. I've watched/listened to this one twice, though I'm years late. Jocko and Tony are awesome. Respect to you Team guys from Oz. You may have worked/trained with our SOF forces during your military careers.

[@briand.1694]

Love listening to the conversations these guys have.

[@thomasvanderharst1624]

Jocko, Echo and Tony thanks for this podcast and all others. This podcast actually makes me smile and laugh sincerely after quite some time

[@R.Tafolla]

I love this podcast, love BTF Tony’s attitude. Always come back and listen to this if I need a kick in the ass and a laugh.

[@BostonsF1nest]

“And I hate saying I loved my men because it sounds kinda... eh whatever” 😂🤣lmao

[@jackmcbride8125]

Not military But love my country Love our military Proud & patriotic Jocko tells a story/ reads a book like nobody else. His pod-casts has help motivate & get me threw some tuff times

[@nohjselim7129]

For sure the best pod cast I've ever heard makes me want to rethink the way I live my life you guys are the truth

[@brianbrown3259]

Man, how fun would it be to have some beers with Tony...

[@razor1154]

Tony is the MAN! Please tell him to start a podcast of his own! He already has the title... "BTF" ! Loved this episode! Thanks for providing all this incredible content Jocko and Echo Charles.

[@dianekaminsky8127]

I luv this Salty Dog. Brutally honest...with a true warriors heart. You can feel his love for the job...the love of his brothers/teammates, and his love of this country. Job well done sir!

[@mikewinter7697]

There are so many people in this world that need to learn humility!! Thank you for your service fellas!! BTF!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@RowmanSailor]

I've been listening to the casts in order - Jocko is speeding through this one.

[@latinoheat4252]

I served with Tony at PRT Ghazni in 2010. I still tell "Uncle Tony" stories to this day. I used to try to copy his accent and get pretty good. Thank you for having him on your show.

[@seancronin4010]

Second time I watched this to listen to Tony. Talk about tough. And he's so darn modest... in a kick-ass way.

[@kevinzhang6623]

We need to have ALL the members of Charlie Platoon in a roundtable discussion.

[@stevepodraza6363]

Love these guys! Take lessons learned and use in life!💪🏻👍🏻

[@hasdrubal121]

Blown away by this podcast, just superb.

[@alphawhiskey8042]

The chemistry is like butter with you guys. Great guys

[@Green58211]

Wow, amazing questions. Great ep as always.

[@laureenelwell8932]

haha I heard his accent and I knew immediately that he was from my neck of the woods - love it!

[@johnran6015]

I've been a listener and watcher of this show for a while now and this is the first Tony episode I've heard. It's really helping me understand how these guys would think and communicate during operations, and I feel like I understand Jocko a bit more now.

[@s.cassinwarren4447]

This is the best Jocko podcast in my opinion. Packed full of wisdom, thought provoking and down right entertaining. On a side note, Tony, looking into hanging steel!

[@mjklein6230]

Tony just seems like an absolute STUD! Wow..what a great guy

[@billandpech]

I've only listen to a half dozen of Jaco's broadcasts after reading Extreme Ownership,, but after serving as a Marine intelligence specialist in the 80s , I think this is the best overview of what being a member of an elite military organization is like and should be like. Thank you for recording this for upcoming generations. Great broadcast!

[@snakemanoo7]

Watched one podcast in immediately subscribed. Absolutely amazing content, keep them coming!

[@hawaiian_hero3293]

welcome

[@Raumance]

I think you mean good evening.

[@peter__trann]

Me too! One of the best podcasts out there! Jocko has inspired and motivated me to live a more fulfilling and disciplined life. I have learnt so many life lessons just from listening to jocko, can't wait to get his book :)

[@Jay-May]

jay may sea foam

[@mikes4106]

Gotta get tony back on I've watched the episode 5 times already so good BTF!

[@lanceglick4756]

As usual what a great podcast well done Jocko and Eco Tony good luck for the future you sound like such a great person wish you all the happiness that you deserve.

[@michaelj.rossini2869]

America's finest! Love the brotherhood, the service, dedication and commitment! Sua Sponte!

[@charliemike13]

RLTW!

[@yotaman492]

Very interesting & fascinating, so much respect for these men.

[@paulhaney8326]

Loved this one! Laughed a lot to! Made it even better that I was born and raised in Maine. Went to Army basic training in Fort Benning GA in 2000 (June, July, Aug) Made so much sense about higher percentages of Seals from New England making it. I live in Austin, Texas now, and go Jog and do 100,s of Pushups when it's like 103 Out, and the locals are whining about the heat! And I'm all like wtf I'm out here getting it done, and I'm from Maine where its Wicked Facken Cold!

[@MorethanGUNZ]

This is one of the best episodes yet.

[@armandniosi7657]

I noticed Tony is working for a landscape company. Respect to landscape but these guys should be significantly financially secured for the remainder of there days.

[@austinclow]

armand niosi definitely agree. These men have a skill set that very few people possess. I can’t believe he was never hired by like a security contracting company that overseas or something.

[@R.Tafolla]

What if it’s his passion?

[@fasserosucks2347]

The "big Al" nickname story had me rolling!!!

[@mrajewski]

I'm late to the game but working my way through all the podcasts. As several have said, this one was the most "entertaining" to me so far - probably because it was really funny and because it's just fun to sit and listen to these two vets talk about their actual experiences in combat.

[@Ophio117]

"The magic in my life is gone." Exactly this, man. That's the feeling for sure 100%. Haven't got over it myself.

[@aaronanderson7619]

How you doin 5 months later man? I just had a close one kick his air addiction.... Hope your thanksgiving is well.

[@alice5515]

Just back here again to listen to the BTF episodes. At least an annual occurrence at this stage 👍🏻

[@goodswang]

best one yet guys. Tony is a hero any troopers in nh make sure to give that man is dos in person

[@salvatoretessio4932]

We need him on again.

[@nathonanderson540]

Podcast looks good...ready for inspection

[@MrGreenfox26]

This is a crazy good episode!

[@rayuk3939]

That was an awesome conversation.

[@CojackM]

This was one of my favs

[@kirsch1616]

This is my second or third listen to this episode. I would love to buy Mr Eafrati a beer and maybe put some rounds down range.

[@karenhughes595]

Wow. Just wow. Miss you Tony!

[@DavidThomas-qq4hf]

Anyone else here after episode 191? I can't get enough BTF!!

[@FruddyG]

Holy crap this is the first Jocko video I've watched - always listened on stitcher. Echo's voice barely matches his body ahah. I was expecting a Joey Diaz and Lee Syatt sorta character

[@troyzilla1]

I was the same, dude is built like a fucking TANK.

[@bh5817]

He has that dopey gym bro voice

[@Vub.]

Exactly what I thought. He sounds like lee

[@Angry11B]

The Team Guy, and SOG casts are my favorite episodes of Jocko. God bless SOF

[@noelgywn5867]

best guest yet

[@eihdk]

Love this guy. Reminds me of the best sergeants I had in the army

[@vendettaaa1691]

ECHO can you please get us a playlist with all the podcasts so we can listen to them all uninterrupted?

[@anthonylewis9256]

Just listened to Andy stumpfs' podcast he and his guest talked briefly about tony . They both agreed that he was one of the best and toughest frog men they had served with.