Jocko Willink's Jiu Jitsu Advice - Injuries, Ego, and Going Hard

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Excerpt from JOCKOPODCAST 96

[@mrsteezyoctopus3767]

Please just talk about Jiu-Jitsu for hours, I'll listen to every second

[@Dfannon89]

Have you listened to all of the Grounded Podcast?

[@TheprogresBMX]

Dfannon89 what’s that?

[@mrsteezyoctopus3767]

@@Dfannon89 no, is it Jocko?

[@Dfannon89]

Mr SteezyOctopus @GooB Jocko put out a jiu jitsu podcast series called Grounded Podcast. You can find them on his page here, he has a playlist of 8 videos. You can also do a search here on KZbin for grounded podcast jocko and you should be able to find them. If you do podcasts else where like Plex for instance there are 9 episodes. Here is a link to the playlist kzbin.info/aero/PLIEQamvEuqUebkJMuxBrfAo_UJODD4GGH

[@mrsteezyoctopus3767]

@@Dfannon89 you're a G dude 👐👐

[@mayhemguitar07]

Echo: "Given the normal amount of training" Jocko: "Yeah once per day" You know he had to slide it in there

[@wonderboytroy7484]

Hahahaha I caught that 😂

[@bear5945]

My school only has 2 90 minute classes on tues/thurs and an open mat on the weekends, is this enough? Its quite a small class like 8-10 strong usually but I'm quite impressed by the instructor and like the guy too

[@evanmyers9255]

@@bear5945 Jiujitsu is amazing, but don’t let it consume the other important parts of your life. train as much as you can without slacking on your other obligations, like work, family, and other passions. If that means training 2-3 times a week, and that’s as much as you can fit into your life, then that is infinitely better than not training at all! If you’re training 6 days a week, but you miss your son’s baseball games, then you’re not doing it right. Train as much as you can, but make your schedule realistic 🤙🏻

[@chrisibarra328]

😂😂😂

[@jddiaz1269]

@@bear5945 3/4 times a week works perfect for me anything more and i burn out heavily over time. tbh the more frequent you train the more you're going to risk over training and get hurt.

[@mrjamiec9892]

echo's biceps are bigger than my will to live

[@betelgeuse6140]

Hahahahah

[@manuelfiliperodriguesvieir6728]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tbowie13]

🤣...no shit...he's a big boy! Thats one of those guys that could ware people out even if he didn't have skills....add in skills on top of the size and 😳, I say nah, Im good, Ill sit this one out and watch! 🤣😂

[@GeefromZee]

Thats funny and sad

[@wholereflections9129]

They look like they can start a new religion

[@RB_rules]

Tap early and tap often. Experiment and have fun. The best jiu jitsu people that i’ve rolled with have tapped early and often. Have fun and check the ego at the door.

[@cameronetherington6243]

Unless I'm rolling with someone i know. I'll tap once a sub is locked in, when I was younger I fought all subs and messed up my shoulder and couldn't train for a month. Even after that it wasn't 100 for almost a year.

[@RB_rules]

Cameron Etherington Yeah it’s funny how the ego can mess with training. I just experiment and if i put myself in a bad spot cause i wanted to try a certain sweep from the guard i just tap quickly. As an old guy i prefer to walk out the gym on my own not carried out.

[@Wildledroses]

Part of me disagrees, there's so many great bjj players that are tough workers in the gym; in their training. If you're eager to become better at jiu jitsu, you need moments of agression, you literally need to toughen up. If someone gets you in a sloppy armbar but you feel you can fight out of it, you should do it. I really believe in a difference between strong agression and letting your ego get the best of you.

[@RB_rules]

Wild Cuts I agree with that.

[@RB_rules]

Wild Cuts I do think though that even if it’s a sloppy submission that’s being put on if you aren’t careful you can still hurt yourself.

[@HillbillyC]

I’m a newer white belt and honestly most of the time I’d rather roll with higher belts. Yes I typically get tapped but they usually do things right so the risk of injury is a lot less than someone who goes 100 and doesn’t really know what they’re doing.

[@andyhope5065]

100% I do the same thing

[@damnson6556]

yeah i can’t invert on most white belts or do any cool shit cause they always fall over and just give me a easy sub or sweep 😭at least higher belts let me do it and then counter and choke me after lol

[@shawnmccuen6908]

Nothing more dangerous than two white belts rolling. FYI I'm a 41yo white belt.

[@lathangreeson3835]

Highly recommend rolling with someone higher rank than you. I recieved my Purple belt a month ago and ever since my first day i would only roll with someone who was a belt or 2 ahead. Just watch out for newer blue belts, they are still honing their craft and are the ones most likely to take it a little too far at times.

[@brotherxela5085]

100 percent... and most of the time they are humble and teach you while rolling instead of trying to finish u in 10 seconds like they're capable of... I love rolling with purple or brown belts... blue belts tend to wanna smash us lol but I roll with some blue belted that are amazing and take it easy with me

[@cwhip2432]

As a 1 month white belt, these talks are straight mana from the heavens. Keep it coming.

[@yashbhatia675]

Hey C Whip, How's you BJJ journey coming along now? I'm a couple months in, and would love to know what your 1 year journey's been like.

[@BuffGuy71]

@@yashbhatia675 hey Yash im a couple weeks in how’s your journey going? Saw you never got a reply so I’m hoping to get one from you!

[@scotnicos5383]

​@CoolRobloxPlayerXtreme hey, I'm one month in, thought I'd see how your journey was going as I noticed you never got a reply 😆

[@cwhip2432]

@@yashbhatia675 still grinding son

[@damianlipusic7327]

@@cwhip2432what belt ?

[@knifezoid]

I tap when someone looks at my ankle.

[@bryonbauer632]

Do you have skinny knees like Echo.....lol.

[@trentonparrish1136]

lol

[@nakmuay9445]

Smh lol

[@PinkuStyle]

Lmao

[@justinfreeman4614]

Fastest way to Blue Belt - using your legs

[@joshfontanella]

I want Jocko whispering "get some" to be my alarm clock sound everyday

[@mikep3322]

Ur mom whispers that to me every morning

[@austinalexander238]

Lmaooooo

[@jamesquinless1777]

Haha this killed me.

[@LadyMinju]

"You are gonna get got."

[@trevorvaughan8100]

"you're not gonna get me... but you are gonna get got" HA! i was thinking the same thing. i'm sliding that into my back pocket for a rainy day

[@bullfrogjay4383]

I've been got soooo many times lol

[@richardnguyen6757]

We say that in Australia all the time, especially in jail lol

[@waynebarthule]

ah, thinking the same think-- spit out my drink lol.

[@cameronoquinn94]

"... and it's not gonna be fun."

[@christopherbodigon9166]

When Jocko says "get some" while Echo is describing injuries at the open of this video is hilarious.

[@tylerlane4587]

He whispers,”Get some” 😂😂

[@itscork]

Times to tap: 1). To protect a joint, shoulder, knee, elbow, etc. If they got it, they got it. Prevent injury. 2). Head starts swimming.

[@FreekFreeksma]

What do you mean with swimming

[@Vincent-vx8ex]

@@FreekFreeksma inner dialogue starts going crazy/panic

[@Breyerluvr4eva]

Yeah what does this mean

[@garronjohnson483]

@@Breyerluvr4eva "swimming" can mean a few things but in this context I believe he means the lightheaded feeling (from a choke)

[@itscork]

Roy The “swimming” I referred to is the feeling just before you lose consciousness from a blood choke. It’s not painful but if you are stubborn with your tap, you’ll wake up with people standing over you asking if you’re okay.

[@izaakchater9165]

I like that Jocko distinguishes between going hard and going level 9 psycho. Sometimes it can feel almost personal with the person you're rolling with and it gets a little weird.

[@andresmiguel2573]

You need to roll with every body type, it’s good way to learn for real life.

[@tristanvernooy4941]

I trained jiu-jitsu for 2 years when I was 15-16. In those two years I managed to get a submission maybe 4 times because everybody was better than me, stronger than me, and far more aggressive than me--and I wouldn't have had it any other way. I've had ego problems in other areas, but never jiu-jitsu. That shit really humbles you

[@HowToDrinkWater101]

If it humbles you, why do you not have ego problems there?

[@hidekiryuga2432]

@@HowToDrinkWater101 I think he meant that he had ego problems in other areas as saying that he would allow his ego to get out of control, but Jiu-Jitsu didn't allow him to have that same problem because he got crushed a lot.

[@TheDogggrecords]

The laugh and whisper of "Get some" right off the hitch...almost pissed myself laughing. Gotta love the Joc! 😂

[@willdoolin3]

Took my first jiu jitsu class today because of this podcast. Loved it. Thanks Jocko and Echo.

[@loganhatchel4955]

How’s it going??

[@willdoolin3]

@@loganhatchel4955 Its going great, Jiu jitsu has made every aspect of my life better. Walking into a mma gym 10 months ago was the best decision I’ve ever made. Also have competed twice and won my division in my second tournament. Now training for my first Muay Thai fight next month. I highly recommend trying out jiu jitsu if you haven’t already!

[@loganhatchel4955]

@@willdoolin3 awesome!! I actually started Monday and have gone every day since It’s been amazing a huge stress relief for me. While I’m at class I don’t think of anything else outside of it that is stressing me out. Will definitely hope to compete this summer! Stick with it!

[@savagenyc4320]

@@loganhatchel4955 i start my first BJJ class tmr im excited

[@booksforprogress5307]

That is awesome.. I just started today. I am stoked to be training. I know competing is a learning process. But I bet you did well.

[@spacemonkey6552]

We need more Grounded Podcasts! I was really enjoying all the ones you put out so far.

[@JB-wx1mz]

I love Jockos outlook... "I dont wanna roll with that guy, that's why I'm ALWAYS gonna roll with that guy"

[@JLewis1979]

I lasted till exhaustion against a 1 year white belt that I thought I was doing good against. I was 36 and 200 and he was 17 and 170. Later on I was told very gently by a black belt that I respect that if the 17 year old wanted to, he could have tapped me several times most likely, but he was being nice against a beginner. At first I wanted to have an ego and laugh it off as "Yeah, whatever", then I realized, this guy wasn't lying and had no reason to lie. The experienced white belt was never cocky and told me I did a good job. 5 years later...I realize he could have submitted me 10 times in that 5 minutes before I gassed if he had wanted to.

[@flyingknee23]

Good that you realize that. Most people can’t accept it lol.

[@JLewis1979]

@@flyingknee23 Ego shouldn't get in the way of the truth. I had a pro MMA fighter (Small org.) get angry at me over some dumb stuff we argued on FB and challenged me to a fight. He's my size, has an extensive TKD and kickboxing background, and is a purple belt in BJJ. I straight told him that I didn't want to fight because I know he would hand me my ass in a fair fight. Being realistic is sometimes worth a lot more than having an ego and looking like a fool and getting hurt. lol

[@1974greymalkin]

when he laughed while reading the letter, I died.... Then when Jocko said "You can eat." lol.....So true.....Spoken like a man who knows real pain.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

bring da pain!

[@booksforprogress5307]

I split my lip. Jocko "get some" lol

[@johnmerlino7133]

two main reasons people get hurt in BJJ: "Don't tap" or "you don't say no to people you know you shouldn't roll with" ..............Literally every major injury I have had are because of one of these two reasons. Facepalm.

[@mansnotprot1544]

haha you forgot self inflicted injuries :D

[@ACE_858]

Jocko said that, "that's the good thing about Jiu-Jitsu is is that it's so humbling", that's such a great life skill that anyone can take with them everywhere they go when they leave the training facility.

[@MRJTD99]

Jiu Jitsu is strange where its simultaneously a HUGE confidence boost but also MASSIVELY humbling.

[@paynehomage2977]

​@@MRJTD99😮😮 8:29 😅😊😅😅😮😮😅😅😊😅😅 8:29 😅😅😅😅

[@ru11et]

Concerned about face marks for a business presentation? USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Show some personality, mention it in the first 10 seconds to break the ice that you do jiujistu and weren't in a street fight and show that you have a sense of humor and life outside of work.

[@jack5117]

this is exactly what I do. i work for a major tech company and have showed up to meetings and immediately address it "hey everyone i promise i didnt get crazy this weekend, just caught an elbow in jiu jitsu thats all"

[@maxanderson3733]

That depends on what he does for a living but 7/10 it works

[@wrknhvc7708]

@@jack5117 bet the ladies at the office loved that right lol

[@RedSplinter36]

Precisely

[@AguyR1401]

Yeah 60% of the time, it works every time

[@tawil221273]

I remember my first day in Bjj. I don't even know what was happening. The drills, the technique, (escaping from closed guard, 100 kilos), the roll...man, it was so scary and fascinating at the same time. It was something i never experiment in my life. I was powerless, drain, but at the same time it was one of my most eye opening experience in my life.

[@Anandfulness]

Same here. Just had my third class. First class I had no idea what the hell I was supposed to do during sparring. I didn't even fully understand when to tap so I tapped too late. Almost got my arm fucked up in an armbar that way. But by the third lesson I learned to tap early and use less intensity.

[@danc4527]

I freaking love this back and forth banter. Massive respect to both of you for the amount of time you spend training, but still be humble. You guys inspire a lot of people in this very difficult time.

[@suziehartwright]

EchoCharles I so appreciate your honesty, humor and take on things. Also the way you two banter is just great. Thanks to both of you. 😉

[@LuisVLowned]

Great talk! I'm 126lbs and I roll with anyone. I don't care if I get tapped out, I just want to get better.

[@luisval510]

Just tap. There’s nothing wrong with tapping out. Your in class to learn, set your pride aside, set your ego aside, learn from yourself and others, be respectful most importantly have fun. Avoiding injuries should be everyone’s goal.

[@ralpherl5657]

I tap early so I can reset fast and roll more

[@cameronoquinn94]

You know how many times a Jiu-jitsu Black Belt has been Tapped? A Brazilian Times. (Source: my instructor told me this one and I nearly had a stroke.)

[@saschachatman9971]

Good one 😂💦

[@rudywilson6493]

I'm on the bus laughing hard right now.

[@colinwilson4550]

Oh im stealing this LMAO

[@SS3213gsdf]

Saw it on reddit a couple years ago..

[@fluffyfeetbmf]

I go to class three time’s a week, and I’ve never had a mark on my face yet, but on my arms a neck several time’s. Going full speed is how you really learn how what you’ve learned will work in real time. Everyone in my classes are better than me, and I like that. It makes me better. My first class I was matched with Alex, and he is a purple belt, and he’s a little guy so I thought I’ll overpower him…. Wrong, Alex worked me over, and I was gassed, and that’s the moment I left my ego at the door. Just remember, when the higher belt begins to put a submission hold on you tap. It sounds stupid or weak, but he or she is going to get it either way so don’t get hurt. Love the podcast.

[@thomasveleba9261]

I'm rewatching this vid after my first couple classes. I appreciate the words being said so much more now that I've experienced it

[@mrgold1315]

1.When I roll in a gi, I get all scratched up from it, but I call them fake scratches because they look horrible in the evening after roll but disappear fast in a day or two, rolling in no gi gets me no scratches but more bruises and joint injuries. 2.Don't be scared rolling with a higher belt, just be humble and show respect. When u roll with higher belts, they usually test your heart and your skills, so don't be fast on tapping out either and u will be surprised how much juice u have in u, however just make sure u r not getting injured either, depends on the situation and the lock u r in. 3.I d say tap out often and early when practice drills and fundamentals, when go full throttle roll u should fight to the ground because if u start tapping out too fast too soon u might get used to it, so go and fight, don't give up, however the same analogy as above, u got to feel it, it comes with experience, sometimes u got to tap fast. 4.yeah don't roll with a holes and dont be one either.

[@markusbarth1]

As a beginner you only have an on-off switch, then after while you learn to start off slowly but when you speed up you don't know how to slow down again. I believe when you change the on-off switch for a dimmer switch you have made the most important step towards your blue belt. There are people that are so good at going smooth - as a whitebelt you can go berserk on them and they would just continue to take it easy and tap you every once in a while.

[@michaelsiegfried3878]

Nice analogy

[@ShaneWelcher]

All fighting is an ego check, we are all badasses until some pain gets involved. Solid points

[@grantharper7515]

It's so encouraging and refreshing to listen to truly good men! Not perfect, because no one is, but really good men. True role models and mentors. I would want my sons and my daughter, to have your qualities. ❤️

[@giantreddevil]

When I roll sometimes I do it with guys who do it at a slow to medium pace. I have rolled with fast guys and yep I tap out cause they are quick. I almost suffered an injury but I kept going and carried on. Just have fun. If you lose, you lose and If you win, you win.

[@x426x]

I’m a white belt been to one class already. I’m very humble when sparring at the end of class because I want to learn. We have to pair up with higher ranking belts. I’m always asking questions and wanting to learn as much as I can.

[@briancasteel1222]

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[@nukepizzaa]

Humblebrag

[@RealBentleyy]

How has the training been a year later? Im going to sign up next week

[@magcitrate]

I was at Level 9 everyday, then kept getting injured. Now I roll at Level 3 & tap regularly. Wish I saw this episode before I started BJJ. Good stuff

[@thebladedwind993]

Seeing echo get flustered or jocko egging him on is one of the primary reasons I watch at these podcasts.

[@imtrop1278]

I definitely needed to hear this appreciate the good advice!

[@ACE_858]

It's ok to tap. It's only training

[@user-tk6tz9nl1v]

24:42 the CC captions literally say someone died from a Jocko submission right as he is saying he has only hurt a few people in BJJ. That is hilarious.

[@Charple]

My first day I bled, sweat, and threw up. Haven’t missed a class since. It was a real wake up call. I love it best decision I made

[@smallflips8867]

I’ve been training for 3 years on and off through my teachers children's class He’s been a little strained, soo I decided to join the adult class and my teacher let me, due to us being good friends. I would say I’m above average in physical fitness, but I didn’t matter,I had the time of my life. I didn’t want to go back due to my minor injuries but about that time I was reading your books, “warrior kid” and “ extreme ownership” soo I went back to my usual 2 times a week. Then this pandemic came along so to make up for the time lost I’ve been ripping myself preparing to go back to the adult class at 14 years old.

[@CultMechanicus]

This is super helpful advice. Thank you.

[@Tbowie13]

This is an awesome podcast. These are things that need to be talked about, but because of pride and ego they arent alot if the time. I trained with Luis "Sucuri" Togno before his accident. I liked to go hard, but then noticed my body acting strange and hurting unusually. I ended up diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis at a pretty young age. It was really hard to put my ego in check and tell guys, I gotta chill so I don't get injured really bad. If you think getting popped hurts, pop an elbow with RA....Gah its no fun. Anyhow, after Luis died in the car accident, I lost my desire to go to train as he was one of my best friends as well as my trainer. Anyhow, thanks for keeping it real!

[@squillytimmons4179]

Amazing, my biggest issue was ego. I couldn't stand the thought of losing, even though it was my first week rolling with purple/blue belts. Definitely a humbling experience to get my ass kicked non stop.

[@bananapatch9118]

I’m 59, second BJJ class yesterday and rolled for the first time....twice. I was a puddle of sweat and exhausted but LOVED IT. Although I am SUPER SORE this morning...going back today.

[@Mm-hmmm]

How’s the journey? Still going?

[@bananapatch9118]

@@Mm-hmmm Still going and loving it !

[@therehastobesomethingmoore]

@@Mm-hmmm I am ! I have been going 3 days a week....some weeks 4 days. I usually feel like I have been hit by a bus, but I really enjoy it. Great group of guys at my academy that are super helpful. It has been wonderful.

[@aaronalbert4160]

For the record I'll roll with both you Jocko and Echo.

[@jkarpov3634]

Had this happen on Saturday. Rolled with a guy on on his 2nd class, ive been training for 1.5 years. I was relaxed as we've never rolled ever. Slap, bump...he went for a blast double and then it was on...

[@zac5855]

Jocko’s approving whispers of “Boaaa” and “get some” at the start were hilarious

[@jeremykoehn1]

Jocko and Echo, making me laugh and giving me wisdom and confidence all at the same time😂

[@andrewgibson1991]

Jocko run for president. For the love of God.

[@krushinghead246]

Why?!

[@texasblue9206]

Seriously he should

[@SimpleFly73]

I love your warrior mentality. I want to roll humbly.

[@kennethrobinson9829]

“I still feel guilty to this day” 😂😂😂 I love echo man

[@yoMURVY]

One month in jits. Glad I found this podcast.

[@erickp3003]

I remember in my first class, the dude I was rolling with was taking it easy on me, but when I got caught in a triangle, I tried to slam him because that's what I see some fighters do in the UFC. Dude got pissed after and tapped me like, 12 times in 10 minutes. LOL

[@iamhereblossom1588]

Yeah dude that's dangerous, you could have seriously hurt him. There's rules at gyms for a reason!

[@crazymacedonianboi]

lamhereblossom- right. if I’m sparring and I tag someone ( stand up) then I stop and ask them if they’re okay. it’s not a fight. but we spared hard ....but sometimes it’s best to drill and hit the mits or heavy bag to get ur technique better and practice footwork and head movements...angles . take a few weeks or a month off sparring.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

and I only spar with 16 oz gloves...those ufc gloves cut people up .

[@erickp3003]

@@iamhereblossom1588 Yeah. Shows how much of a noob I was. At least that day I learned how different submissions affect you. 🤣🤣🤣

[@madmoggy5098]

Are you the guy chewjitsu was talking about then ?

[@ashhansen7659]

I love how everyone is ducking rolling with Echo.. Dude is a BEAST and a black belt.

[@ignatiusl.7478]

This is very helpful for me. I’m 41 years old and just started Jiujitsu. I have preexisting physical issues so I’m easing into it. My instructor is very understanding and I know he is looking out for me. I’m not in shape yet but I’m confident that if I train smart I will make progress and eventually I will be a good sparing partner. What you said about ego has given me the confidence to know when to say no.

[@mrlions420]

Are you still going?

[@samstephens3351]

I cannot fathom the grips and pressure Jocko would impose on me. I’d imagine my bloodline will be feeling that for generations

[@Heavyiron710]

There back and forth arguing is gold

[@Freedom-nq6ew]

this convo is the one that made me decide to go to a jiu jitsu gym. i was smiling and curious the whole time

[@thefutureh]

My ego has destroyed me with a serious injury I am a blue belt competitior won most of compitions , the last one i had i fought with a wrestler lifted me up in the air and shoot me to the ground but at that moment in the air my ego was telling me i wont fall on the ground so he get points on me so i streched my hand instead of break the fall with technique and TEARED MY WRIST LIGAMENTs but i took him bow arrow choke and won .. contnued to play other matches with hurted wrist thinking its was a sprain and won gold medal with an injured wrist .... did TWO SURGERIES first one was a fail but second one was a success with limited range of motion and hurt sometimes THANK YOU MY EGO 😇

[@bluevastsky]

yea what important lesson, even when the person is going at level 9, you should always protect yourself at all cost. like what jocko said just lock them up and not giving what they want, (its never about them its about yourself) going nuts with them because you will injure yourself as well. isnt worth it. morale of the story is whatever you do in life, always focus at keep your head sane and thinking. the moment you let your emotions take over, you either injure yourself or do something that make you regret

[@Lopez0278]

Timeless conversation between Brothers

[@chrisjames8994]

Starting my Jiu-jitsu journey tonight. Let's get it.

[@godisthegreaterpower]

I've been watching bjj and mma for sometime working myself up to joining a bjj school and the first day I held my own against other white belts who have been there varying from a few weeks to a few months. It was a nice compliment from one white belt who had been there for 6 months.

[@leeannurban7364]

13:23 Completely agree Part of my jujitsu journey has been stepping into the uncomfortable, not stepping away from it

[@boogie56ace]

Go hard, have fun, and tap. That's my motto.

[@rasalghul9331]

My thoughts was exactly what Jocko started with. If you are getting hurt beyond your comfort-zone, you are probably not tapping soon enough - especially if you are getting started in BJJ

[@gradyroberts4455]

Jocko however much I agree with you in saying that the fact he resisted escalated the situation, but I also believe the writer is in the right here. On my first night of jiu jitsu training, I was 16 years old 200 ish lbs, a brown belt not only busted my nose but slept me solely because I was new and didn't know when and where to tap. Now knowing this I stay as far away from him on the mat as possible, but I would say that if you're young or have been going for less than a month give your partner a heads up and say you're green and hopefully they are wise enough to understand the situation.

[@GMPGMP-jp5ut]

I just started Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, I'm 3 classes in. I have only done the warmup workouts that the Professor has us do and then we drill escapes and it kicks the shit out of me lol. It's definitely been an awesome experience thus far. My goal is to get good at this.

[@oscarl4729]

As a former wrestler I always will go hard with people around my experience level, due to the pace or wrestling that I am used too. However with more experienced practitioners I go slower and try to be as technical as possible so I can learn as effectively as I can in that roll. When you go slower, you can see more details of what they are doing, and you can practice your own technique.

[@Discipline_equals_freedom]

All echo wanted was the person to acknowledge they heard him. Not ignore him, that’s rude as hell. I’d get hot too.

[@JC-wj5os]

Agreed. Sometimes (not always) I respectfully deny this guy in our gym who weighs 350. I just simply say im dealing with injuries and cant right now.

[@briancasteel1222]

Getting angry clouds are judgment of the situation. It's best to reframe the situation and be like "Maybe he has hearing loss and just didn't hear me." Give the person the benefit of the doubt. I know veterans love rolling and a majority of us have some degree of hearing loss.

[@Algebrodadio]

The way to stop people from spazzing is to get side control and apply shoulder pressure. This will work for young white and blue belts. In my experience, I've never had a problem with purple and up partners going too hard - just white and blue belts with ego. And those people will chill when you crush them from cross-sides.

[@mb_sl4mmin571]

i use the analogy of the harry potter movie.. when they get stuck in those vines and the faster or harder they tried to get out the more submissed they became within the living bush as opposed to staying composed the bush wasn't as fast to take control of them. keeping calm and maintaining a mental comfort along with patients kept the bush from submissing them.. i love relating to that

[@mound1921]

Should be taking my first JJ class next week, hearing people like Jocko makes me want to just drop everything and show up to class straight away however lol

[@TheGreatHotDogConsumer]

as a fresh white belt, my favorite people to roll with are brown and black belts. they let you put in work but can put you in check if you get a little sub hungry, which has already helped my pacing a ton. you can try out new moves and not have them freak out because it almost worked. instead, i've only gotten praise for it. Was rolling with a brown belt once and he went for a single leg and i tried to roll under him and buckle his knees, miserably failed of course but after the round ended he gave me props for having the balls to try something new on someone who far outranks me, whereas the lower belts i roll with tend to be a little more fast paced and panicky when you get a hold of them, despite still being good people who don't want to hurt their partners.

[@briancasteel1222]

"Communication is key and teamwork is everything." I think white belts go hard because they experience that adrenaline rush at first and don't know how to control it. I think just agreeing on what percentage of energy to roll with is best for learning and safety. Examples: let's go 50%, 75% or 100%. We have to learn how to crawl before we start running.

[@agustintellez136]

I'm still a newbie, 90 days in and I got to roll with a newbie, first day experience. Plot twist I'm 155 and he was 255... I couldn't sink a submission, I didn't really want to....don't wanna rough up the greenest of green. But my ability to be agile on my back and keep him away using jiu jitsu techniques served me well...

[@victorsierra4109]

“Don’t want to rough up the greenest of green”. U’ve only been doing it for 90 days dude. You’re either a liar or a idiot.

[@theaxienoob6836]

This reminds me of my 1st day. I was assigned to roll with a purple belt because we were approximately the same size - I thought I could go all out because I assumed he has some level of control - but things heated up - he must've lost his cool because I wasn't letting up - so he leaned unto my rib - hurt like hell - doctors diagnosed me with costochondritis - was out for about a month hehe

[@robertlester4569]

Good on the new white belt for asking these questions after 1st class. I hadn't a clue for months...

[@moctargueye1293]

Yep, same thing happened in Judo. A white belt (like me) wanted to go hard randomly on the ground. Hopefully I had some techniques in Jiu Jiutsu. I just countered all his techniques and he got tired. After I finished him off kindly. When I go with more skilled people, I'm getting taped out (I don't even have the time to get tired lol).

[@7xchad]

As a newcomer to the sport, I prefer rolling with higher belts because they are better at matching your intensity and I learn more from them (either they give me the round because I did the move correctly, they catch little mistakes and help me fix them in the moment, or they absolutely dominate but then show me what technique they used)

[@yellowvoidentertainment]

Honestly I learn a lot from the higher belts. Very humbling and I learned the most quickest from them cause I could ask what I did wrong, adjust and get back to the same guy after spectating the way his matches. As a smaller guy, working with a bigger guy can help me recognize flaws in my technique.( one wrong move and I’m tapped) it’s highly possible these guys are going easy on me but it’s good for training.

[@patrickbowersox416]

I love rolling with the higher belts. I know as a white belt they will 9 times out of 10 make me tap and wear me out. However the group I train with will also help me understand how I got in that position and help me learn to avoid it the next round so they have to find new ways and improve themselves while I am able to improve as well.

[@albabahmed2291]

My first jiu jitsu class is this coming Monday.. I am 31 yrs old lol idk what to expect, so I am binge watching these videos.

[@polloadventures5800]

How did your first class go?

[@lilslavboi2171]

every chance i got to roll with the top guys at my gym or higher belts id love to push myself with someone i know will win but that doesnt mean let them go against and communicate after and take ur time and respect them they’ll do the same and wont instantly end that exchange, its how u learn and see actual progress in your abilities.

[@sharlah4057]

Coming from kickboxing and boxing as a beginner judo person I really struggled to remember to tap out. I am so used being able to cope with a stronger fighter by going into defence and counter mode to survive until the bell. It is really foreign to me that I can end the round by tapping out. I have never had that right in boxing or kickboxing before.

[@michaeljackson6504]

Wow. This was exactly what i needed as a brand new white belt. Had this same situation and now realize I was escalating when i should have relaxed.

[@leeannurban7364]

12:25 I get it! There are days that I would wake up in the morning and tell myself that I was only going to do drills that day because I had body parts that needed to recover but once the adrenaline kicks in that goes out the window. It’s a tough balance for sure

[@scotnicos5383]

1 month in and i can confirm that 100% the primal instincts kicked in in my first few lessons. Then i recently realised that the instincts were standing in the way of my learning. I've ironically been tapped loads more since....but I'm learning more and thats the game. A huge huge journey in front of me. But loving the learning despite the bumps and grazes.

[@ryg2304]

I’ve been to 2 classes and am struggling to get the high pace wrestling movements out of my system😂 tonight I am going to make a point of being more patient and controlling my breathing. On this road together brother 👊🏼

[@JoeDrury1972]

I get the most bruises and injuries from new white belts going crazy.

[@mjolninja9358]

Cj Atwell I live near a shady place and Witnessed an extremely violent fight before when I was going home, good thing I do regular running

[@Supermomo2007]

@Cj Atwell a judo white belt gives more injuries

[@kylenichols5041]

I had to fight a new white belt and he kicked my knee and I dislocated my knee cap

[@markusbarth1]

Yesss, elbows in your face, knees in your balls, doing things you would never expect anyone to do. It's still fun.

[@theexplorer7139]

@Cj Atwell That's true!

[@triptow6677]

Echo and Jocko's friendship is powerful.

[@austendespain5193]

As a 22 year old blue Belt I feel personally attacked lol, love these videos!!

[@mrguy7582]

I don’t wanna roll with you

[@PauloBerni699]

White belts will get you hurt the most, and in many ways offer the most realistic resistance (sheer aggression, limited skills in general). The skin toughens up and marks and bruising heals overnight virtually. Black eyes and split lips may happen occasionally, but at the lower belt levels. Everything gets smoother with time.

[@dannyb4876]

I laughed hard as hell when Echo said So no ones rolling......

[@Casualgaming93371]

I was always taught to match the other persons energy in the rolls. Whether they drop that bar or raise it. It’s their choice and I’ve gotten to the point if I roll with a smaller person I let them pick there positions and we train how they want to train. I love being big and strong but there is a time and place for it

[@jeffsstt]

What if they do 100% guillotines and straight footlocks? Tap and see the celebration 😂

[@atomariola6410]

The fa cemarks are pretty regular, especially as you get good and brown belts are using intense pressure, for example. Secondly, speed is not an issue; it's clumsiness, lack of technique, and force that causes serious injury. After years of training you can go full speed and use little force. They are different pehnomena. 20 years BJJ here: Maxercise, Renzo, Carlson Jr, Carlson Senior, Faixa Preita Easton BJJ.

[@ijustworkhere2171]

Rolled for the first time. My coach said "calm down, you struggled for 5 mins solid, and your face is scary, you need to relax". About 7 classes in, injured my shoulder and reignited my old hip injury. I learned a valuable lesson though. Good.