How To EASILY Handle People Picking On You - Jocko Willink

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Excerpt from JOCKOPODCAST 215

[@odessagirl4life]

“High school is not life” a few of my coworkers missed that memo. I work with a few people who are in their 50s that act like high school never ended.

[@Theendman42]

How so? As in, their attitudes are like they are still in high school, not mature, etc. Or is it, they can't let go of the memories of it, and are still bothered by and caught up in it all?

[@odessagirl4life]

Theendman they gossip and spread false rumors then play victim when you confront them.

[@patrickholt4134]

My boss (great guy) put one of his high school buddies in a shift leader position. The bully is the biggest brown noser and never has to do his job, with no consequences. Not gonna throw away a 14 year job because of it. He bullys others but not me anymore. A few years ago I finally went off on him and showed my dedication to my job and stood my ground. I get along with the bully now but have to watch him bully others. It's sad. The worst machinest got the job of telling better machinest how to do their job. Uncle Rico syndrome. His day is coming. I'm just gonna sit back and watch the show.

[@Anonymous-tk9re]

Megan Roy they’re like they were in high school because they weren’t able to reflect. Nothing being their fault, meaning they think they were justified to do whatever thing you’re calling them out on. They know it’s wrong to do, they just don’t care. They think that they’re the exceptions to the rule every time. Their elevated entitlement is congruent with narcissism.

[@Theendman42]

@@odessagirl4life Ah, the immature ones. For one reason or another they don't mature. All the more reason to be humble, and subordinate your ego.

[@johncostello2948]

I was bullied twice in my life. The first was by two much bigger dudes in high school; I always felt that if you are smaller, you have every right to use weapons, so I started carrying a set of brass knucks and pepper spray.... solved that problem. The second time was in my professional life working at a company (the trades) with horrendous bosses. Brass knucks were not an option, so despite the miserable work environment I started working extra long hours at the company and learned every aspect of my trade in 5 years. I then quit, started my own company and went into competition against my former employer and kicked its ass financially.

[@jambalaya201]

In Germany we say "Geil" which means sth like "Super nice and badass" in a vulgar way. Geil brother, geil.

[@N.N01]

this is gold, man

[@johannesn.5988]

@@jambalaya201 Hahaha der Kommentar hat mich gekillt! Aber geil dass hier auch andere Deutsche sind!

[@ianway2725]

Thats it. I was bullied for a couple of years at my lowest ebb in life and did nothing about it. Its a regret.

[@oKApplejack]

@@ianway2725 hold onto that regret. It’s what will prevent it from ever happening again.

[@humphrey4976]

Step 1: call Jocko Step 2: Jocko parachutes in Step 3: bully disappears

[@gatherwithsarah]

That should be a t-shirt 😁😂

[@workingguy6666]

@@gatherwithsarah It would be cool, but it also would go against his belief in taking care of oneself.

[@thelonlypanda1]

Step 4: ??? Step 5: profit

[@hjembrentkent6181]

People become much more peaceful with a hollow point in the skull - JockO

[@User-54631]

😂

[@arisn32]

That’s funny, I think everyone is stuck in high school mentally. So many people are negative, insecure, and abusive.

[@iwcb8413]

@@smokingcrab2290 true.

[@glorykiller998]

@Super Chad Well no shit, your name is "Super Chad," lol. To be honest, you make a good point. During these crazy times, I'm exercising outside consistently and disciplining myself before I'm 21 next year, just to make sure I moved on from my adolescent days... I'm a _very_ late bloomer.

[@Watchyourselvez]

@@glorykiller998 Talking like that and being just 20 means you're not a late bloomer. I'm 27 and let me tell you that most adults older than both of us never left high school. It's pathetic. Good luck bro

[@adopodrinje1499]

its faaaar from funny, its agonizing to live like that.

[@cdawg272]

I would argue that most people are just pussies nowadays. They find a way to care about something said by someone they don't even know. in today's society that probably makes me a bully for saying that.

[@popnpaddle]

This dude is like the foster dad for all of us

[@misurakaluarachchi2956]

Matt Lifko him and Jordan Peterson

[@ChanceCottle]

💯, Jocko and Peterson as foster dads and Brian Tracy as foster grandpa.

[@Nuno37]

No he is not a dude, you are a dude. He is a man, strong muscular man

[@alexzanderroberts995]

@@Nuno37 hi drax

[@gracefool]

The sad thing is that 1. so many of us need a foster dad 2. we find them on the Internet Here's to changing that and being good fathers to the next generation.

[@luukweeko]

When I got bullied and got home with a bruised face, my dad asked me how the other guy looked. After telling him what went on and admitting that I was too scared to fight he scolded me and tought me some tough life lessons on the spot, no coddling and brutal honnesty. After hearing my dad out and learning from his wisdom, he gave me an assignment, the next bully who tried to fight me or bully me in any way, punch them immedietly, hit or mis, just punch, if a fight broke out and you lose, take the loss and every time you see your bully, wether in the lockerroom, bathroom or in the hallway, punch him unprovoked, make them warry and scared, jump on him. He told me, you might be weaker, but that bully will regret crossing you cause no one likes to be punched in the face. So i did what my dad told me, for 2 weeks i was the shadow of my bullies, every oppurtunity that they where alone i would punch them straight on the face, every mean look that they gave me i punched, if i would feel that they tried to bully me, i would punch them. I grew confident, i was not scared of confrontations anymore, i was never strong to begin with, but they did not dare to bully me again,

[@AbdulSamad-dz4vw]

Thanks man for sharing, I wish I was taught this lesson too early on in my life :')

[@VicksWezaleff]

Your lucky to have such an awesome dad. All my dad's advice consisted of ignore the bully or snitch to teacher ;_;

[@MA-to4nh]

lol wait u just punched them when they gave u a mean look? ahahahaha

[@roisin33]

I just had fantasy flashbacks to me stalking out my school bullies in the p.e hall, ahhh if only

[@abdiloly7322]

Fear or no fear if someone said something that didn't sit well with me be sure I'll come back for you anytime or anyday cause that words will eat away at me untill I settle it with you....don't know why I'm wired that way

[@hekkenschutz]

Well, bullies are everywhere Neighbors, coworkers, in traffic, in the store, managers, bosses, churches, families and more It's a life skill to handle Bullies

[@Ojthemighty]

Im 28 and im still learning. Trouble is im too polite. Thats quickly changing tho

[@sunnibird]

Not if they're bigger, if there are more of them, they know how to fight and you don't, they're relentless, they're more aggressive etc...

[@Dustomatic]

Jon H I agree. Bullies will never disappear. The only thing you can do is work on your ability to handle them. But that doesn’t mean we should dismiss the struggles of those being bullied.

[@ciro9951]

@@sunnibird well then you gotta get stronger, teach yourself how to fight, etc. Can't face them with a loser mentality bro

[@FiremarshalM1]

Ojthemighty They mistake our kindness for weakness. They have noooo idea.

[@qdllc]

Sadly, adult life mimics high school much more than it should.

[@therealjesus1317]

A wise man once said “Life is just one big high school.”

[@mat7083]

Jesus

[@montydurand467]

"Highschool never ends" -Bowling for soup

[@user-pv9pv4xf9c]

Really? I found that college was way different. I've never been physically harmed or had my books smacked into the ground in college. In fact by then I probably would have followed someone to their car with a rock or pulled out a knife or something lol. You'll still have some "bullies" at work, but often they're just miserable people who are venting. I mean, if someone is physically abusing you on a day to day basis then something needs to change in your life.

[@bettywhite2694]

@@user-pv9pv4xf9c just wait until you start working. Most jobs are worse than high school for verbal abuse

[@tired2sleep]

I'm usually a quiet guy and actually get flattered when people try to pick on me or bring me down because I see it as a sign of me encroaching on their insecurities. And when I respond with smile and humility it feels really good.

[@ItsRaitisLV]

Guys test other guys when they see weakness in them. This is nature's way of eradicating weakness in males.

[@frostbite4954]

@@ItsRaitisLV Nature must learn diversity. People ain't the same.

[@frostbite4954]

When you have nothing to say,say nothing. I think that is a underestimated quality. And your outgoing and expressive on your own terms,not because it is expected. Nope,but because you want it. Like a lot of introverts do. We think more than we talk,others talk more than they think. Or at least,that is what I feel a lot.

[@ItsRaitisLV]

I'm an introvert myself, introverts are afraid to talk because they are afraid of saying something meaningless or stupid. Deep down they want to connect with people but they expect others to initiate the contact. I'm generalising a lot here, but you get the point. I could rationalise my introvert tendencies by saying that I'm only open to the people I trust, but I'm not going to do it. The harsh truth is introversion is a result of some kind of childhood trauma or experience.

[@MrWewill11]

Ray Carden why did i know this but never knew this just blew my mind

[@alisonlmt4029]

Throughout high school, I thought for sure I’d outgrow bullies. Painful lesson to keep learning - You never do. If you’re different/have a disability in any way, you’re a target no matter what ecosystems you might be in...

[@dm1972]

most people are different. Im sure 99% of the people who bullied you have something wrong with themselves physically or mentally.

[@VicksWezaleff]

Many friend groups in high school I ended up being the whipping boy. To this day I keep to myself at work and other events. Can't even be around family gatherings.

[@iwilson6651]

Or any sort of perceived weakness, I’ve noticed this more with female coworkers and bosses then their male counterparts :-/

[@abdiloly7322]

Bullies are cowards that tries to instill fear into someone verbally or physically guess what why are they always in groups?why don't they bully someone alone?huh.....one was lucky he tried to belittle me in front if his friend whereas was so far from home, his lucky I hadn't killed him cause of that,his days were numbered and i addressed him calmly what he was doing wasn't cool and lucky enough he said he didn't mean it.that saved his life I assure you

[@bishop2051]

then get a man.

[@RenzoIsHereYT]

Imagine this is the dad of the kid you're bullying lmfao

[@joshuasmith6346]

I'll just get my dad to beat his ass whenever he shows back up in my life. It sure takes a long time to go to the store and get a pack of cigarettes

[@jrusstrevenant1092]

That's terrifying.

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

You could only hope the guy would be as cool and as level headed as this dude!!!!

[@Aydee2020]

Jocko wouldn't let his child be bullied in the first place

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

@@Aydee2020 - He may not have a choice! And, so glad you can speak for him.

[@andrewgoldin6905]

How you respond to disrespect is one of the ultimate signs of character. It takes a big person to not want to hurt the other person back. However most will take disrespect to heart and desperately wants to hurt the other person back. You have to be comfortable with who you are, and understand the other person is coming from a place of insecurity. Being comfortable with who you are takes work though.

[@CraZy291]

very well put

[@jonasbaine3538]

Thank you. I was disrespected recently and wanted revenge but didn't want to risk spending days in jail and legal fees. Your comment really helps me make peace with how I de-escalated the situation and didn't engage in violence despite my residual anger now. I have however acquired several personal defense options now...

[@FruityHachi]

you will hurt the other person back no matter what you do, even when you just smile they will get mad that they didn't get the reaction they wanted they will not take your smile as "oh what a good guy/gal, my apologies" but instead they will think "how DARE he/she to make ME look bad"

[@snail2734]

I was severely bullied in h.s. And didn’t have any kind of support. If I were to give advice to kids about it - the one thing that would of helped is if I’d been told focus on future goals bc like Jocko says h.s. Is not your life -- but when your attacked every day as a teen it’s hard to see that.

[@elijahrector2168]

I was bullied a lot as well I feel your pain

[@mmmmmm6543]

I’m very sorry to hear that. I believe at that age things are too overwhelming to be receptive to good advice. To be honest I believe the best thing is to train, and train hard. Confidence will come via experience, and a lot could change from year to year.

[@1pcfred]

Yeah kids are dumb. Like John Wayne said, Life is hard; it's harder when you're dumb.

[@snail2734]

MMM MMM thank you

[@williswayne1876]

Yeah same here, high school days wasn’t my time and I don’t even like looking back at it

[@beckonerseven9517]

Bullying will exist as long as Cluster B personalities do. Malignant narcissism is not a problem people grow out of, it's a problem that unfortunately can't be permanently solved without violently eradicating the perpetrators. A wolf won't spare sheep, that's why you need a pack of sheep dogs

[@RichardMiller-tq6ut]

...or quit being a sheep

[@adamshockley1562]

I'd put a domesticated wolf against a sheep dog any day

[@beckonerseven9517]

Bottom line is when you're dealing with a rampant predator, asking it to stop and playing nice doesn't work. You have to be willing to use force. Don't take the animal analogy so far that you romanticize wolves and miss the point. Unless you're a textbook narcissist obviously trying to feel special

[@friedlemons5201]

@@RichardMiller-tq6ut easy for a wolf to say...

[@btjunkieforever]

@@RichardMiller-tq6ut and what about being a sheep? sheeps are part of this world too. maybe we should drive them extinct just because you! can't come up with anything better to solve the issue. Just another point of view.

[@colesteeleA]

Jocko is a genuinely great guy, at helping people put things in perspective.

[@sunnibird]

I don't think bullying has been an issue for him for a very very long time.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

its promoted from the dumbass culture here and sometimes they meet guys like me or way worse. good riddance if they get killed.

[@agame-jv6zv]

crazymacedonianboi 1903 what

[@crazymacedonianboi]

huh? where? 😂😜exactly how it’s spelled bub.

[@teller121]

@SUB ZER0 ?

[@Pdraper84]

Jocko: Nobody cares Joe Rogan: Have you tried sauna? Brendan Schaub: Sauna is amazing.

[@thataintnomoonsucka]

Dude, the Brendan part is so spot on! Thank you.

[@Kelso540]

Joe Rogan: Yeah but sauna with weed better. Ever tried DMT?

[@jmiogo]

I enjoyed this

[@mississippisnowplow]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@TalkingIsh100]

Highschool isn't life but bullies don't just magically go away. I've had several jobs working with ppl with that bully mentality. The best thing to do when bullied is use that as motivation to put yourself in position to hurt a bully if they get physical. Start training in something. Boxing, wrestling, bjj, muay thai, judo or "mma" which is a mixture of fighting styles. Even if u never have to defend yourself it will at least boost confidence to the point that you'll no longer be so concerned with bullies. If they come you're better equipped to deal with them.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

exactly. and use ruthlessness if ur outnumbered. letting them off just perpetuates the problem.

[@TalkingIsh100]

@Jameson W ...Right. I don't know why but a lot of ppl push the idea that if u just ignore bullies they'll go away which is why they never go away.

[@TalkingIsh100]

@@crazymacedonianboi ...Exactly. They want their victims to continue to let them off to continue to portray themselves as being so tough.

[@beedebawng2556]

Most people in position to be bullied (usually the most disposable employees) don't have the luxury of training in a sport. They usually have to work several jobs and don't have time for that.

[@TalkingIsh100]

@@beedebawng2556 ...True in a lot of cases.

[@ThisRemindsMeOfaJoke]

jealousy is the main reason...in both elementary and high school i wasn't bullied but all my classmates mostly the fellas they loved to team up against me and back then i didn't give it any thought cause when you're a kid you're like a doggy you just live in the moment and easily forget about shit but now as a adult looking back i see it was pure jealousy i was always the tallest and most handsome dude in class and the fellas hated me for it..... when someone picks on you is because there's something about you that triggers their insecurities

[@you8just]

When someone is picking on you or tries to intimidate you, they are definitely insecure, jealous haters, you got nothing against them but they just want to get attention and be part of your life. They try to make you angry, that's how they control you, forgive them they cannot help it, it's an ego defense mechanism. Once you have forgiven them they cannot effect you anymore.

[@nealtheall7236]

@islanti as a kid, throwing the first punch isn't the worst idea. Just make you you can finish what you start. Word gets around you don't put up with bullies and it tends to work that way.

[@PsychicsRfake456]

I am going to have to disagree with you. "forgive them they cannot help it" ... yes they can its called self control. my advice to anybody getting bullied is to stand up for yourself, depending on the situation it might be to fight back or report them to a higher power. if you do nothing the bulling will go on

[@you8just]

You cannot control anger it controls you, they push your buttons to get a reaction, if you for example hit them its negative but still attention, so you loose and they get what they want. From what I learned with my bullies is that every time I reacted with anger or emotion, it did not help my situation at all. When I forgave him, he could not make me angry anymore, I could respond in a calm manner and the game was over. Than he became angry it was really funny.

[@PsychicsRfake456]

@@you8just yes you can control anger, it only controls you if you let it. if you stand up for yourself you send a message that you are a person not to be messed with. I was bullied at a job and I "turned the other cheek" and the bulling continued for years. looking back I should have reported the bully to HR right from the get-go

[@you8just]

@@PsychicsRfake456 I didn't say don't stand up or speak up for yourself, just don't hate, I also thought I could control my anger once. Check out Jesse lee Peterson's take on anger and forgiveness it might change your mind. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2qadaWvlLapbKs

[@Lemurai]

My dad just told me to not say anything and start swinging if a bully tries to jump on you. Never had any problems since then.

[@tonyjones1560]

My dad taught me to box so I could swing with "education," LOL. Add in the willingness to bust chairs over peoples' heads and...well, none of my bullies ever came back for a return match, even on the many occasions where I got my ass kicked. The day came where the bullies were like, "Dude, it's not worth it. Yeah, he's a huge nerd but he's also homicidal." I was stabbing dudes with pencils 40 years before John Wick was a twinkle in a screenwriter's imagination (inspired by two old-school pro wrestlers, The Sheik and Abdullah the Butcher)...

[@1pcfred]

If you have to resort to violence then you've lost the fight.

[@alexkmoz]

@@1pcfred I think Tony's acting tough because he's behind a keyboard. Either that or he's writing from a prison cell.

[@matiastuominen1447]

Tony Jones thats the key, even if u lose but u fight back, they most likely dont think its worthy of all the trouble

[@nofthet5548]

@@1pcfred so when the guy batters you and you are in ICU for a week,...you can feel proud that you never lost that fight... .....nope,..sorry,...nope.

[@decreed6505]

Great advice. I think the majority of us have dealt with bullying, and unfortunately when I was a kid, my parents told me to always ignore it and they'd stop. Literally the WORST advice. For a while, my combat towards that was to just be an asshole back, stand my ground, and use that adrenaline filled rage to show that I'm not losing no matter what. The problem with this mentality is that it can not only lead to severe negative things, but it also keeps you from growing as much as you could. For the longest time I was in a pretty good space mentally, until around 25 I realized that I was getting bullied again, this time by family and coworkers! Why? Because I didn't give a shit, and thought I could ignore it. Turns out years later, I did give a shit, and if I were to resort back to my high school mentality of filling myself with rage and "I'm not losing no matter what" I'd end up in prison. Years after, I literally had no idea how to make things "right" so that I could have a peace of mind. But then I stopped feeling sorry for myself, realized I put myself in that situation, and I chose not to respond in the way I would've liked to. So how did I feel better? Not by bashing a hammer into their skull, but by growing. Improve yourself, and use that anger/rage in a positive outlet, I promise you'll feel so much better and end up living a better life in the process. Bullying will never stop, people just find more clever ways to mask it as they get older. One last thing I'd say to remember is that people judge not by what's said to you, but how you react to it.

[@ddl4374]

This is really heroic profound feedback. Spectacular

[@49ersalltheway]

Great advice/story, thank you

[@jackiesmith2801]

My next door neighbor is a 42 year-old bully. Sometimes bullies never grow up. I have tried to get L.E. to talk to him about his trespassing and damage to my property, but the police will do nothing. This only emboldens the bully. The only thing the bully understands is their victim putting them at risk of encountering physical pain. I have set up a target shooting area next to the property line. We'll see how this Summer goes...

[@maxamillion2140]

Maybe a no trespassing sign warning that those who trespass could possibly be shot would help as well

[@jackiesmith2801]

@@maxamillion2140 That's coming next. I'll probably get arrested for posting it,

[@redpillsatori3020]

@@jackiesmith2801 ..if you're a woman, then probably not.

[@sacredheart9053]

Sue him.

[@diplomatdiplomat2800]

Sue him and the court will do something about it. Good luck

[@keithsimonh]

>high school isn't life Can we spread this one around more? I think a few people might've missed the memo.

[@blackbeard0074]

School isnt anything honestly lol

[@blackbeard0074]

@Greed Fatigue is that right

[@blackbeard0074]

@islanti 😂

[@crazymacedonianboi]

Greed Fatigue- it never worked with me because I get nuts and I can be cold and calculating if I’m outnumbered.

[@thedavidprobbins]

I was bullied at least once a week in school for 12 years. I almost killed myself over it. When I got out of high school, I vowed that I would never be bullied again. Period. I went and got training. I learned how to fight and handle myself physically, and I learn how to handle people. It’s the one wound in my life that has never totally healed over. I have a psychology practice now and my work is helping people. That being said, sometimes when that bully zeros in on you and will not leave you alone, your only recourse is to throw them a beating so bad that they regret having bullied you in the first place. Even if you get hurt in the process.

[@abdiloly7322]

True some people respond well to violence...

[@FalseProphetFallacy]

@@abdiloly7322 *Most people respond well to violence

[@abdiloly7322]

@@FalseProphetFallacy exactly they push you so far untill you have to retaliate back

[@LadyofSharlot]

Sorry to hear you experienced that.Pleased to hear you learnt skills .Well done on having your psychology practise,you have empathy .Great achievement.

[@polishherowitoldpilecki5521]

Mind giving me some advice. In a professionals setting how to avoid getting picked on.

[@LOVEisTHEultimateLAW]

each time i got bullied in school it never stop until i became violent toward them. only thing that worked, no parent calling the school, director talking to them, me talking to the teacher about it NOTHING WORKED EXCEPT VIOLENCE

[@monopolybillionaire5027]

I just made my coworker crap his pants, big guy didn't even want to fight me in the end funny im a scrawny guy.

[@Jean_Jacques148]

@@monopolybillionaire5027that’s because even lots of big dudes don’t want to fight, because you don’t know if a scrawny dude can hit, all it takes is one accurate well time punch to take your wind. Some big dudes rely on being big, and are all talk.

[@sirraymondluxuryyacht8131]

A few things that always stopped it for me was 1) to fight back..even if you know you will lose. Then the bully has to fight EVERY time they pick on you. (although, i hated fighting and it's not always convenient) 2) I had some tough friends - Just told them that the guy is being a jerk to you - they usually warned him off with a few rough thumps - didn't take much..bullies are cowards, only picking the small/weak guy. You kinda feel a bit weak needing someone to step in, but it's a WHOLE lot better than being bullied LOL My brother was bullied as a kid - he joined the local boxing club and start winning tons of trophies...bullying stopped, but also his confidence increased. I saw a kid insult him one day, making fun of him...he just shrugged it off. Didn't care. I asked why he didn't punch him, and he said "I've nothing to prove to him. I prove what I need to in the ring" - He then also had LOTS of boxer friends, which meant they were there if ever he needed it

[@Lord_Brocktree]

So good! I remember the night after I graduated high school. I slept, for the first time in high school, for over 10 hours. Only because the depression and anxiety I felt was finally gone. That's when I learned that life is bigger than me and the little struggles of this life are not worthy to be compared to the glories to come.

[@classact9557]

I was bullied from kindergarten, all the way to high school graduation. I changed schools three times to get away from it, and the bullying just followed me wherever I went. I was, and still am, a quiet guy. I did my level best to be a good person to those around me, and was rewarded with merciless name-calling, mocking, insults, and even public humiliation. It got to the point where going home was my favorite part of the school day. And every morning, I dreaded having to go back to school and deal with the same people in the same environment, with the same circumstances. It’s the reason that after 8 years, I haven’t gone to a single reunion. So when Jocko says “high school isn’t life” I take it a step further. I act like high school was NEVER a part of my life.

[@dm1972]

males dont fully mature until mid 20s. Dont let the opinions of teenagers who dont have fully formed brains ruin your life bud.

[@dynestis2875]

If you get bullied, you try the peaceful solution first by talking to them, and after that you're presented with a choice; you either accept being a victim, or you start fighting back. College is not life indeed, but suffering through serious bullying for several years (high school, college, whatever) is enough to destroy someone. You're not gonna walk through that saying to yourself "Oh this is not life". You're still going to have to deal with the situation.

[@1pcfred]

You missed the point. You're going to run into that nonsense everywhere for the rest of your life.

[@alexkmoz]

But remember "fighting" isn't always a physical confrontation. Bullying isn't always physical. It's mental, it's emotional, it's group-based, too. Meaning you have to fight smart. In some ways, that's why boys have an easier time with it, because it's in your face. Whereas with girls, it's subtle, and not out in the open. The way to expose bullies is to expose their treatment of you to the light, to people who won't tolerate it, AND who have the authority to make it stop. You can bitch to the boss, but if he doesn't care, it ain't gonna stop. You have to find someone who cares, or find a way to make your boss care. Or like Jocko said, remove yourself from that ecosystem. Success is the best revenge.

[@1pcfred]

@@alexkmoz we do not always have the luxury of removing ourselves at a whim. Often we just have to accept adversity. Life is not always kind or fair. I'd like to deliver a more positive message but nothing is coming to me right now. How about hardships that you face today better prepare you for trials you will face in the future? It is a constant struggle after all.

[@alexkmoz]

@@1pcfred That's the biggest cop-out ever. "Suck it up, buttercup, because it's good for you". No. DO NOT suck it up. If you can't leave on a whim, develop an exit-strategy. Like I said, expose the behaviour to as many people as possible, with evidence to back your claim. If you can't do that, start seeking employment elsewhere. If you can't do that, get to a point where your skills and qualifications are desirable. ALL 3 of these are options. NONE of them are "suck it up buttercup, because you're better and stronger for it". Sometimes you just quit on a whim, and be dammed to the consequences because, dignity and self-respect. Debt and credit-ratings are existential, meaningless threats and have no bearing on the meaning of your life.

[@kebman]

@Dominus Providebit What if he wins?

[@basedbuzzlight8900]

As much as I hate to admit it, I was a bully in life. The reason why I was that way because I was also the one being bullied, being put down by friends and family alike. So I thought it was normal to put people down and in a way, it was my form of communication. Then when I grew older and I met people who were genuinely kind and went through a lot of shit that fucked me up mentally. The number one thing you can do is just stand up for yourself and to put your foot down. I remember I was making fun of someone, and suddenly he just stood up for himself and it threw me off. Even though I acted like It didn't matter to me but in reality I never made fun of him again. Honestly most "bullies" just come from bad homes and places. There's probably a very few percent of people who don't come from those and actually enjoy it, and those people are probably psychopaths or something. I stopped my former way of life, and I try not to put people down even if it means im the one being put down. Sometimes I feel like I deserve that much at least to atone for my sins.

[@FruityHachi]

so you *liked* being put down by friends and family? because that's a only reason you'd have thought it's normal and as your form of communication

[@SentientBurrito]

Please do a series on workplace conflicts and how to manage them. There are a lot of way and types of conflicts in workplaces. I would love to hear his perspective on them.

[@nealtheall7236]

As evo said, get his books and read them. They show you how to deal with those kind of people. I've also heard him address that in his clips on here as well.

[@1pcfred]

The obvious answer is to write a book and become a podcast personality. Then you can quit your suck ass job and live the good life.

[@peterhz6]

has he ever had an office job?

[@itsrtvbaby]

It's funny. In high school, I was bullied less simply because there was life out side of high school. But when you're in the real world and realize High school never left most people, then you've got a problem 😣

[@Carter_brandt]

High school girl: I am getting bullied Jocko: No one cares!

[@Ojthemighty]

😂

[@markusht]

Munin Fjolnir nigga u trollin?

[@crazymacedonianboi]

the more I listened the more I realize he’s pushing “ ignore them” when that doesn’t help solve the problem. aren’t the school systems and teachers the adults? they let the little bitches walk all over them? hah what a weak country.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

uh I’ve been doing it . where I’m from people have no mercy and Jui Jitsu won’t really work. they run deep and some carry knives and guns. like that bar my grandpa’s friend owned ...where I filmed the crackhead trying to rap? that upload. I had to be no lesss than a monster. with those “ niggas” with my Disney looks? I’m the most dangerous person besides some family at that bar. I know how to do it but sounds like ur a good dad tho. stay safe and healthy dude.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

the hood ain’t the mats or dojo ...u gotta be ruthless and mean . or get robbed and punked everyday . what do u choose? gotta have an iron fist whether it’s moral or respect worthy to people or not.

[@patodabomb]

I was a bully in school. It was definitely because of my up bringing. I used to act out of fear. I learnt quickly, It was bully or be bullied. I had no remorse for my actions, as at the time I was in full survival mode. When I left high school I was forced into laboring jobs and the bullying continued, but this time it was aimed at me from grown men and I couldn't bully back because I was only 17 and intimidated AF. That went on for years and years and drove me into depression and social anxiety. Until I eventually put the pieces together. It felt like I was recieving my karma. A lesson from life. A teaching to stop acting blindly to old habit patterns and to treat people with the dignity and respect that everyone deserves. I changed in myself then the people started to change around me. Now, I'm kind and loving to all and I almost always get that in return. I still stand my ground when necessary, but I'm very mindful in my actions. I try to take my time and respond instead of react. To anyone reading this be kind to everyone because were all fighting our own battles and you never know how your actions can effect others, be it negatively or positively. Put those good vibes out there :)

[@mmommo-hx4dx]

bravo

[@gesmish8278]

Thank you so much. You are extremely brave for bringing your story up.

[@ddl4374]

Wow it's amazing the incredible wisdom I am encountering here. That's an incredibly powerful testimony

[@discipleaj]

Random bully: "mY dAd CaN bEaT yOuR dAd Up" Lil'Jocko: *Laughs in flawless victory*

[@ryanmcewen415]

@Johnny Mitchell chuck norris has nothing on Jocko

[@liam.4454]

I got bullied working on a building site, I was only an operative/labourer and i found it hard to stand up to people as they were higher up the good chain than me I learned plumbing at nights school and it put me above most of the bullies and they had to respect me then

[@richardstewart5499]

Bullies are driven by insecurities in who and how they are. Great stuff from Point-Man Jocko.

[@that1electrician]

Freshman: I'm being bullied 😔 Jocko: No factor 🙃

[@sierranexi]

April 2020: "High school is not life". 2 months later: adult mobs beat people in the streets for disagreeing.

[@labibsaud8064]

Isn't that what's happening at the Riots now ? Hell atleast in High school had teachers and Principals who would stop it if it went too far but it's a circus out here in 2020.

[@GhostType96]

Its sad, that immature, insecure adults will try to make you feel as low as them because they never grew up, probably bullied themselves or some other misfortune and need an excuse to justify their HATE for you and their hate in general. I used to make the mistake of letting bullies (which included people who used to be family and friends) bring me down to their level and I would lose my cool and make myself look bad, which is exactly what they want you to do to help their cause. They would admit to being jealous, and angry at me for some reasons and wanted me to feel the same way because I was living the life, had a good job, hobbies, traveling and was generally happy and it made them sad and envious so they needed to come up with falsehoods to convince themselves and me that I was at their level which I wasn't, still not, and never will be. They would find any kind of flaw, wrongdoing, or innocent mistake and turn it into some big deal to make me feel like shit, but once I got wind that it was them that had a problem with themselves, I turned away and let them be. As time went on I realized it had less to do with what I did wrong and more to do with what I started doing right. "BULLIES", no offense to the actual bull, are nothing but lower than shit cowards who aren't worth any time, effort, thought, or anything at all, so it's best to ignore them, but know as soon as they grow impatient with you being more mature than them and decide that they want to get physical, GET PHYSICAL and let them know they made a terrible mistake. I had an adult figure in my life as a kid who once told me that they can talk shit, and play all the mind games they want but as soon as they put their hands on you, you lay em in the shade by any means necessary, no matter the size or shape. I'm quite confident in my muay thai , boxing skills, knife combat, and aim to fear no man or woman. I'm too nice, strong and happy of a person to let the weak break me. The worst part is they are fully aware of how ignorant they are. If you're being bullied in any kind of way I say stand strong, keep peace within yourself, and never let another human pass judgment unto you nor make you feel bad for being alive because NOBODY IS PERFECT. May the force be with ya'll.

[@codysnyder90]

Thank you, sincerely! ❤🤙

[@breaks3085]

Just read your comment, I can relate so much, the truth is I'm getting bullied, not verbally or physically, but in a passive aggressive way, here's the thing, I'm a bodybuilder, an I'm genetically gifted, I put on muscle quickly an I'm built with a good shape, the personal trainers in my gym an the members of the gym ALL have a problem with me, simply cos they struggle what i excel in, they give me rude looks cut their eye at me an just give me a bad attitude. Clearly putting their insecurities on to me out of jealousy, it's got so bad that I had to train today an literally have my back turned away from everyone, I face the wall & look at the ground after the exercise.

[@abdiloly7322]

@@breaks3085 Dude your dad didn't raise you to live in fear just cause your genetically gifted doesn't mean you have to walk on eggshells cause someone will talk I'll of you or envy you nah,just walk head held high and do your thing,if they had a problem with that's on them if you didn't insult or harm them.never let someone dictate how you live cause at the end life is yours to live which is so short by the way to live in fear or prejudice.

[@Malcolm311]

I wish i had this intel in the 7th grade

[@thedrcrow5841]

@Jameson W The problem with just ignoring them is very many kids often don't have a life outside of high school, unless their nudged they often won't have the foresight to read between the line

[@sanjayraju988]

I worried about bullying so much that I messed up my grades. Bullying can make you mess up your goals. Do not let them.

[@storyteller2723]

Dude, wtf, you wouldnt anyways. This is 50 years old man

[@sgtrock2821]

Yeah? When the bully busted your nose you wish you would have just said "so what it doesn't matter. Outside this ecosystem no one cares" SMFH LOLOLOL.

[@storyteller2723]

@@sgtrock2821lulz, yep, needed to get them dirty fists to work!

[@lindatenuto6300]

People always talk about bullies as if they're simple to defeat once you understand their insecurities. The sad truth is, bullies spend their entire lives in conflict and they know how to deal with it a lot better than most people. Thinking of them as insecure losers may help you feel better (and is usually true) but it won't help you actually defeat them in the real world.

[@chrishickman]

This doesn't really address the question or accomplish the title of the video. You can't "step outside of the ecosystem" if that ecosystem is tied to your identity. A person in high school can't just "step outside of the ecosystem". In addition, the "high school isn't life" thing is a joke. Yeah, it gets less often, but WORSE to deal with after high school. In high school, you can easily punch someone in the face to end bullying real quick. Once you're in a white collar career, that option is gone unless you like unemployment and jail. This video was a great perspective and great advice for certain situations in life, but this doesn't match the title. The only way to deal with this issue is to address your personal confidence levels. That, and also punch bullies in the face when you can get away with it.

[@demonwiper9434]

I acc totally agree, like people always tell kids just to not pay attention like they don't remember when they were a scared/insecure kid getting bullied. Idk why ppl don't tell someone to learn bjj and Muay Thai, get as big a crowd as possible on the playground and beat the bullies ass, or find some way to fuck with the bully till they realize you're more trouble than they gain. This whole "rise above it" or "don't listen" which works when ur a big, confident, got other shit going on adult doesn't work when ur a kid and school and ur school mates are literally your entire life

[@glorykiller998]

I suppose I can agree. Jocko addressed how to respond for the _long term,_ but I like what you said about addressing personal confidence levels, ie. how to respond during the _present moment._

[@whojackson]

Prayer

[@DAGOWOOD23]

Was thinking the exact same things

[@Toleich]

Who said you can't punch in a white collar job? You just don't punch physically.

[@scottking7556]

Love it! I have worked for many top companies and also many start ups. One thing about the big, top companies, I have observed so many people thinking they are great just because they work there, you know better than others that work somewhere else. What you are saying confirms my position, "no one who is outside of a givenx environment cares". I worked for the worlds leading manufacturer of surgical robotics. A great company! Great leadership! Almost everyone who worked there seemed to think they were the best or better than others simply because they worked there. I left. The lure of the money couldn't hold me. The sense of self importance couldn't hold me there. I stepped out of that "ecosytem" and outside I found that no one cares. I have never been happier than I am today and a big part of that happiness was realizing the importance of being true to myself and my values. I translate your message into this "don't let the beliefs of others define you".

[@mmommo10]

being bullied by a church home fellowship group. gonna stop going....the girls don't want me there. and the guys enjoy seeing them bully me.

[@michaeldavidnvitales]

What Jordan Peterson was saying was, play the game in such a way as to win the set of all games. It’s not just about one hierarchy - although it’s important- it’s about winning the hierarchy of all hierarchies. Playing that game properly is more important. That’s what he was saying, which is the same point you are elaborating. But I am curious what he would say in response to bullying. He got his fair share online and on interviews, and man, he handled it like a pro.

[@chikaka2012]

I’m in favor of destroying all hierarchies. 😁

[@Kriegter]

so you're saying-

[@artscraftsantiquity2185]

The part where Jocko describes how he reacted to his kids coming home with an emotional issue made me think of my own dad. My own Dad would have lectured me on how hard life is as an adult and that I have it easy so I should stop crying or he’d beat my ass. No wonder I have no motivation to be in social situations as an adult.

[@PunkMartyr]

I had to realize my parents were a product of their terrible childhoods or I would never be able to let go of this type of stuff.

[@hershellumiere]

Learn how to fight and fight back even when you're going to lose.

[@x7Votorious84x]

People will cry wolf. There’s bullies who will bait that reaction.

[@user-wx4nv8xr3d]

ignorance is still stronger

[@suhae2175]

@@user-wx4nv8xr3d Naw unfortunately not always

[@ETAisNOW-wn8wx]

@@x7Votorious84x those are the worst. They mess with you til you react then they act like you are over reacting. It's so weak and disgusting.

[@blaqueknight]

@@ETAisNOW-wn8wx I kill them with kindness, without being resentful, because I have more important things to think about. If possible, I just cut them out of my life.

[@Dutch-d5x]

The hardest thing about ADHD for me was getting bullied for being ginger and not being able to remember what people said/did to make me feel like shit about myself. I'd tell my parents but they'd ask for specifics that I just couldn't remember... Soon I stopped confiding in them and then come the worst days of my life. Looking back though, I wouldn't trade it for the world. Whenever I feel suicidal now I just look back at those times and just the fact I made it through them keep me going in the dark of the night

[@tatskamaster]

Girl: "How do I deal with bullying in high school?" Jocko: "NO ONE CARES! ECOSYSTEMS, JIU JITSU, PODCASTS, SEAL TEAMS, I MEAN I GET IT JORDAN PETERSON and my point is remember, no one cares.." Girl: "...."

[@barefooterin2817]

Perfect...lmao

[@DrZaius_3]

Jocko is the only person who can be compassionate, understanding, and terrifying all at the same time.

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

school's a prison, with prison behavior.

[@1pcfred]

School is state operated day care. So the parents can go to work and be taxed. That's all it is and all it ever was. Which is a bit of a damn shame. They claim they're teaching kids stuff while they're in school but facts differ from that narrative.

[@shanepatrick641]

@@1pcfred I totally agree with you and not to mention a training ground to get kids used to working when they are older. To be "Another brick in the wall".

[@1pcfred]

@@shanepatrick641 there is an element of institutional training involved with public schools. Where children are taught to conform. At least that's how it was where I went to school.

[@shanepatrick641]

@@1pcfred it's was the same to when I left school in 2013.

[@kebabozaurus]

ayyy there is a sex pistols song about this idea.

[@rjc7289]

"High school is not life!" Well said Jocko. If I had that sage wisdom available to me 30-plus years ago, I probably could've saved myself a lot of aggravation and frustration.

[@JamesIanGilliam]

Me: “What do I do if I’m being bullied?” Jocko: “some people suck and nobody cares”

[@mattburnett4185]

First learn to be comfortable within yourself and then try to move on to true confidence (NOT cockiness) Learn to back yourself and your opinion even if you are totally outnumbered.. When it comes to confidence lie that, you can forget bullies. All bullies are either mentally ill, or insecure losers who never have the balls to take on someone bigger and stronger.. Never display weakness, most important especially if it cuts to the bone. The more it hurts, the better the poker face. Women seem to vent but for men, you have to bottle it up until it simmers, boils, and explodes, but not in a self destructive meltdown, direct the anger all in one direction, like a cannon this is your fuel, your motivation to succeed Also remember bullies are not your friends, better off lonely than with a group of asshole losers

[@carpathianken]

I bought a Howitzer canon to direct all my anger into like you suggested but all the surrounding villagers are starting to resent me lobbing 150mm shells all over the neighbourhood when I get pissed off....

[@Margarro23]

All good points Jocko. I was always a big kid growing up. I made friends with the small kids who were mouthy. The small, slight, small ones. They couldn't defend themselves physically, but they could verbally. So, I hung around them to learn language skills. I made friends with this small kid in the BSA. Chris Maxwell. Always picked on and miserable. So we paired up. Bigger kids stopped picking on him and we had the best conversations. The smarter and weaker kid prepared me for life, paradoxically. I never really cared about the bully. All I had to do was sit perched from on high and watch him get his comeuppance. The tyrant always loses. It's the same in the animal kingdom, especially among apes. Here are a few examples, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Ceausescu, and Julius Caesar to name a few.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

I’m small and I hit like a big guy . I got the strength of one and the first upload juggling and toying with that 110 pound kettlebell sums me up . arm wrestle me 💰💰💰. btw I weighed it in the “two hands anyhow “ upload in my basement. I train barefoot down there because it makes my feet strong too. my bones and tendon have always been naturally strong.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

later big guy!

[@Margarro23]

Later my dude.

[@sunnibird]

So if you're being bullied in high remember that ecosystem doesn't matter? Except that for 4 years it does matter and you have to deal with it, possibly on daily basis, and telling yourself this "doesn't matter" is not going to cut it.This is not an effective coping mechanism. Verbal and/or physical abuse, destruction/vandalism of your property on a regular basis is traumatic and telling yourself this ecosystem doesn't matter as a method to deal with that is laughable.

[@sunnibird]

@Captain Weeblez No fuckwit I don't. But I do realize that you're stuck there for 4 years and that bullies aren't going to leave you alone because you think they don't matter.

[@George_Stat]

Completely agree and so well put. The only thing I would add is: one of the reasons that you should not let these ecosystems control your life is that doing so could have actual serious consequences that everyone cares about. In an extreme example, the awful stories of children committing suicide because of bullies in high school. In these cases, ecosystems that no one cares about have extreme consequences that everyone in their right mind would think are terrible and affect countless lives. This is more reason to emphasize the point of not letting these “fake” ecosystems affect you in a real negative way. I’m glad Jocko spoke about this, I don’t think it’s talked about enough

[@musicplaylistize]

This video throws me back to 2017, i worked as a lifeguard in a poor part of town, and there was this kid who was super smart, around 10 years old, he was also pretty much abandoned by his family, he bullied other kids in the park, even stole a bike one time, but he had smarts. I showed him how he absolutely didn't care about rules could get you in trouble within every small "ecosystems", in fact, you get kicked out if you get caught not following the rules... wether it be the pool, school, a job or even society if you get thrown in jail. For the rest of the summer I never caught him bullying other kids or breaking pool rules, and i'm a good watcher. He might have played me for a fool, but he seemed honest. I gave him a lesson and a bit of envouragement, and I like to think that i helped a little guy out in life.

[@PunkMartyr]

I was a security guard and a 12 year old stole a cheap item. I had a similar conversation. I really hope it made a difference. I know in my life one line can change everything.

[@lylerubins9159]

Use truth and love/compassion with every action you make, and you will often become a truthfully great person. It's hard, but people honor truthful people, these are the people we see as idols. So, look forward to that future, where you are respected, and you can feel good knowing you are respected for the right reasons.

[@regulardude7961]

Great points Jocko. I actually realized this first when I was in my 20s. Ego is our biggest blinder and hindrance in life. When you realize that nobody cares, it is immensely liberating. Jordan Peterson's "lobster ideas" do have some truth, but JP thinks he knows more than he does, sees more than he sees, and he has a gigantic ego. Jocko is the real deal.

[@ennius42]

This is comment that gives a good perspective about bullying that I once read: Folks. This is rotten that this happens. But you can't just attack the bullying and expect it to stop. It's inherent in human nature. Bullying is a way for young males to achieve a social cohesion and weed out the weak. Not saying it's right, it's simply the nature of humanity. You can't coddle and shelter your children from the ugly aspects of the real world and expect them to be strong and succeed. You need to PREPARE them to learn to deal with bullying. Teach them to expect it so it doesn't take them by surprise, cause them high levels of emotional stress, and drive them to suicide. Toughen your kids by being honest about the uglier aspects of the human condition. Then they'll know how to deal with this kind of thing, rather than resorting to suicide as their only way out. Kids are going to do this, no matter how much you try to change it. That's never going to stop. It's been an important aspect of human societal conditioning for hundreds of thousands of years of our evolution.

[@AquanautSt1]

"HIgh School is not life " We need the Jocko T shirt

[@Dustomatic]

AquanautSt1 I think most people who bought it works be wearing it as an insult to high schoolers.

[@MichaelJames-lz7ni]

Perhaps - but "life" is formed in High School - it plants a seed within.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

no it’s def not but it’s a place where certain people learn dangerous habits because they get away with it without being held accountable. so they’re children until the day they croak .

[@Lil.Grandpa]

Bullying doesn’t necessarily stop, it only evolves, so I have to disagree with Jocko there. It can be found in your workplace or any social places you frequent. The idea is to learn to stand up for yourself even if it means learning later in life.

[@kanta32100]

Standing up for yourself means what? You need to avoid bullies in life, realize they're no good and treat them like crazy people. That means no personal talk, no display of emotions around them, just pure business if it has to be done. Less they know you less the damage they can do. If it gets physical get a weapon, chances are you are outnumbered because they attack in groups. Forget about being nice, after school it's life or death with bullies, you have to be ready to take theirs if they don't stop. It's way easier to avoid them after school and they know it so they will act nice at first.

[@xtraceex]

I'm past the stage of being bullied. However, looking back, I find that a condescending smile that says: "I don't care what you think, you're nobody to me" is very effective in putting them down. The bullys' goal is to think that he won - by showing him that you don't care, he loses. Nice to know that there are real men left in this world, need more of you guys...!!!

[@WJFK480]

The only way to handle bullies is to completely ignore them, they'll keep trying but if they always get a reaction it will be worse, give them the cold shoulder, act as if they don't exist like ghosts you can't see or hear. If your walking keep walking, if your reading, keep reading, keep doing what you are doing. Hell, where earplugs in the halls, then you really won't hear them.

[@swirlingbutterfly3031]

You know what i am doing this for almost one year now its hard man it feels like shit when ever you go out every single person stares at you in very humiliting way everyone around you gossips about you there are all rumour about you they rip down your characters this so tough to go through Mann and it feels shit mann it does feel terrible every one have a opinion about you which lies on the negative side offcourse this is very sad to go through but you have to because we can't do anything

[@WJFK480]

@@swirlingbutterfly3031 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp-tqHuVhb-LpK8

[@laselecta9012]

This is not true. U need to communicate w them up front.

[@FruityHachi]

if you pretend you don't hear them they will just start bumping into you to get your attention

[@giugiu3447]

I was born in 1965, boy and I was bullied, at infant and junior school. When I went to the local Comprehensive School, UK. I started training with weights and did karate, I had to great male coaches, who were the closes I had to a FATHERS, figures. In the end I dealt with the bullies, I would step in and stop bullying of other children. Bullies made me strong, physically and mentally.. I mean this to all of them.. Thank You!!! You won't be a kid forever, the best way for revenge is becoming successful. I'm not successful or rich, I'm a normal every day guy. But those bullies now still give me respect. Just be strong, it isn't easy, but don't let those Wankers beat you, it's a temporary bed, like camping.

[@obadiahscave]

I've learned to thrive from criticism and ridicule.. And I've grown into a monster.. That know one can demenish..

[@elijahrector2168]

No one* diminish*

[@bramabull111]

Bullying was the reason my best friend joined the military. Now he looks like jocko and will not get bullied ever again. He was more disciplined than I gave him credit for al those years.

[@AJ-if1tq]

Going to raise my kids the Jocko way

[@hootinouts]

Jocko is about the most logical person I've listened to in a long time.

[@Accu53Mation]

Thanks #Jocko . I've listened to this podcast, and talked to my daughter (Asperger's syndrome), about immaturity & how people act to those not a part of a clique. When she is picked-on, her three best friends stay quiet, acting invisible. And that's understandable. What keeps her ahead of the mean kids, is she is definitely smart. Sixth grade, and taking ninth grade science & math. Her dream: She wants to be in the U.S. Navy Submarine service. What girls love watching submarine movies & documentaries?

[@crazymacedonianboi]

I like looking up vids on ships and submarines cause they’re interesting but forget me working in one. that’s really cool. tell her crazymacedonianboi sends his respects.

[@chikaka2012]

Your daughter will always have her own money. Those who picked on her will not & will be eating cat food when they’re old.

[@ABB14-11]

Impressive kid. Damn, you must be proud.

[@spacecy]

I was getting picked on for most of my childhood, even later during my mid-20's. Now at 35 years of age i carry with me the the horrible memories and damage that has been done to me which scarred me for the rest of my life.

[@Dr.Pepperdave]

Take a Martial Art.

[@spacecy]

@@Dr.Pepperdave why?

[@jeremy0440]

Glad I was homeschooled for most of my life.

[@michael43567]

Thinking about homeschooling my kids. How did you do exams, get into college or make meaningful friends? I don't want my kid to be a loner like me

[@jeremy0440]

@@michael43567 I believe they were sent to my mom by the state, and yeah that’s the sucky part of it is the social aspect, I was homeschooled from forth to finish but when I turned 16 I got a part time job at the local theatre and after a few cringeworthy months I was socially accepted 😂😂

[@pasta8793]

I'm always reminded of this phenomenon when I go to company work parties. I work in a somewhat large, competitive, and fast-paced advertising agency. I ended up here because it's a job I feel like I can do pretty well and it pays a decent amount. I do not love advertising at all. As a matter of fact, I hate it. I despise every aspect of advertising and the industry as a whole. I just work since it's a decent check that pays the bills. A lot of my collegues however, really do care about advertising and are super proud of the fact that they work for this company. They studied it in school, they talk about it in passing, they truly see this as some sort of "end game" or admirable path. No judgement from me, that's their own prerogative. But because of how much they care about this little "ecosystem" that they're in, they REALLY care about who the higher ups are, who the new clients are, etc. I sometimes succumb to this thinking as well, and find myself feeling like I should care about and admire those above me in the corporate ladder. But then a big company holiday party rolls around and I finally see these people in a social setting detached from work, and I always have a realization that these people are all just the old, boring, run of the mill, average people you see walking around at the grocery store. In a non-work setting, detached from their ecosystem, they just look like cringey old schmucks that nobody cares about. BUT within the little ecosystem that is our company and the advertising industry that we operate in, they're big shots, they're really cool, admired, and seen as very intelligent and important. I've always found this phenomenon very interesting and I try to detach myself from it, but it's very hard once you're engrossed in an ecosystem 9-5, 5 days a week. I find that the more I am aware of this though, I have less stress at work, I perform better, and I feel less stressed outside of work. Really nice to see someone put it so succinctly and acutely in this video and how it may pertain to bullying. Bullying is just one potential negative of being within an ecosystem. Some other negatives could be stress, like mentioned, or insecurity, or a feeling of inadequacy. I think the people who get too engrossed in their ecosystems and feel like their ecosystems are the most important, and therefore, they are the most important, are often the self-absorbe annoying people we all hate in real life. It's important to take a step back and realize that all of the things we do as humans is all pretty asinine and pointless.

[@_vofy]

School bullying matters because you get scarred for life then everybody's happy while you're in a queue to the therapist and by the time you're fixed you're 42.

[@AngeloPNZN]

I was bullied a lot in primary and middle school. Also in the workplace in my first years I was and still am getting bullied almost on daily basis by egoistic manipulating co workers. It takes experience and to build a shield against these types of people.

[@akalcov]

This talk really helped me deal with past trauma from bullying when I was at school in central london (UK) where there were loads of teenage gangs roaming around and preying on kids making their way home by public transport. One time I was followed into a shop and they tried to take money from me right there in broad daylight with people watching and no-one intervened to help because a lot of these kids carried knives. No-one told me how to understand and deal with it back then. At a later stage I did a basic course of Jeet kune do which helped with confidence but I reckon it's probably a false sense of it because to this day I've never been in a physical fight with anyone in my life. I almost want to pick a fight with someone to get it over and done with - fear of physical confrontation - will I be able to handle myself if my back was against the wall? Martial arts is all just theory and drills at the end of the day until it is used in a real life situation. Later still I moved with my wife to another country, Poland where finally I feel again much much safer. I think recent nightmares of bullying were triggered recently by one of the other dads at kindergarten making fun of my "posh" english accent which is what the gangs used to to. Recently I've been struggling with pent up rage towards this guy and have found myself trying to avoid him on the school run to pick up my kid, which is almost every day! and now I'm not sure how to handle it, such a funny situation! This turned into a form of journaling I guess. Not expecting advice, just want to be heard. If my kid comes home one day and says he's been bullied, I sure as hell am not going to dismiss it the way my parents did. I want to explain to him like this Jocko guy - memorise what he said word for word if I have to so I am ready for that moment when it comes and I know it will sadly.

[@toddherrera5977]

Hey man, I know it's been a long time but how have you been? I also have yet to encounter physical confrontation besides me learning the theory and train boxing

[@kcguardian]

Bullying is always going to be hard to deal with, but not having any support makes it harder. Strength and courage starts from within but is sustained by relationships. No support means strength and courage are harder and harder to come by because the only thing you have to sustain it is yourself. Building relationships that you value means that when others make fun of you for it, you care less because their opinions don't matter to you. Find people you want to be around for your own and their benefit, and don't be afraid of reinventing yourself again and again as you continue to grow.

[@fkerpants]

Very good points about ecosystems. Makes me think about a woman I know who talks incessantly about her kids. Now, when it comes to bullies, how about a video where Jocko gives pointers on beating the shit out of them? Instead of strengthening kids, the whole anti-bullying initiative has become a tool for silencing (bullying) those who engage in "hate speech" or diverge from the narrative. Kids, and adults are going to have to learn how to fight their own battles and not rely on others to protect them. That kind of independence makes for a tough society and the United States could definitely use some toughening up.

[@zippyz4170]

I think next time someone is starting to tearing me down...I'm just gonna put my mouth guard in and say "You wanna go".

[@_tellavision]

This is how I feel at this point.

[@crimsonmonke]

Bullying, ecosystems, what's that? I haven't seen a person in weeks since quarantine. What day is it?

[@TXP9]

WHAT YEAR?!!!

[@1simo93521]

You're in an eco system of one...

[@Anonymous-tk9re]

I’ve been practicing social distancing since way before it was trendy. This is child’s play.

[@crimsonmonke]

@islanti You sound very gay right now.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

fuckin Friday man ...ikr.

[@mrtopramen]

I thought this with body building and weight lifting. That’s when I realized being healthy is the most important for most people. Many people chase numbers and end up ripping them selves apart like Ronnie Coleman, but they don’t get any trophies, awards, recognition, or money from it. It’s really like you said, most people don’t even care.

[@williemartin9872]

This couldn’t have come a better time. Thank you !

[@Anarchy-Is-Liberty]

There are a lot of people who still live that lifestyle!! I went to my wifes class reunion a couple of years ago, and about 10 of those people were still stuck in high school mode, and this is 35 years after high school!! They ended up getting 80% of the people there back into that mode as well. When they came up to me and tried starting their BS, I simply stated: "there's a reason I carry a gun", and then walked away. Never got messed with again, and they all seemed to mysteriously calm down after that.

[@vysheslavuzumati1269]

More like Egosystem haha

[@SamBsound]

I'm using this from now on

[@shilohbegley2401]

I thought the same thing! Its too true.

[@oooweebaby4483]

There is truth to picking, the target can often improve in some aspect and not blame others.

[@Jman16119]

Freshman Girl: "I'm getting bullied at school, how do I deal with this?" Jocko: "The environment that makes up most of your life, at this stage of your life... doesn't matter." And that's how to easily deal with somebody picking on you!

[@sunnibird]

It's literally the worst advice on the subject I have ever heard.

[@Jman16119]

@@sunnibird could've followed up with "it won't be for long" or "find different ecosystems that can give you the confidence/ability to deal with the toxic ones" but it just got summed up as "your problems aren't important".

[@theonlyone8710]

Jman16119 His book actually has better advice, essentially to sum it up he says: Confront them, or do his personal choice of attack: Ignore and Outperform. Ignore it as best you can, work your ass off and let your success make the noise. When they’re hating, you’re working, and before they know it they haven’t moved and you’re above them.

[@sunnibird]

IWG Productions The ‘ignore’ them part is laughable. When they’re harassing, beating, embarrassing their victims on a near daily basis. I’m sure it’s easy if you’re built like Jocko.

[@pacibaco]

sunnibird exactly... the “ bully “ part should be self explanatory in that it does not stop . I was fit, well liked but I was relatively quiet so I got a lot of grief from upperclassmen and then later wannabe tough guys out on jobs sites in construction. The best solution is : if you’re under 18 smash them when nobody is around . Over 18 ? Smash them when nobody is around but leave no marks ( wrist locks , body shots etc ) then threaten to tear off an ear or break an eye socket . They will stop .

[@dmoneyusa2851]

Such a powerful man with amazing values.

[@austinlay4085]

He left out the best example of this: PRISON.

[@bloodsweatandbeers9670]

I trust this man 100% and dont remotely no him. Guys all love until its war. So much respect and his words are golden. Thanks dude your the mentor I require right now.

[@MrLinkai]

Kids problems are usually not smaller than ours. Sometimes they are greater.

[@magnustorque5528]

This guy identified something that is not only a universal concept, but also something that most people don't recognize. These "micro" dynasties can absorb and destroy the people that allow themselves to be included in them. Identifying this is the most brilliant revelation that anyone can experience. "no one cares" ANother amazig nuance. If you can get a grip on this , it will be liberating.

[@SuperBlaze117]

Hmm no wonder children don't listen to adults. "Who cares?" They do, and thats all that matters. Suffering is relative.

[@Ojthemighty]

Exactly. Its like lifting heavy weights. Just cos one guy can lift it with ease dosnt mean everyone can.

[@lifebydesign9435]

@@Ojthemighty the secret to emotional resilience and stability is working on yourself. Learning and hobbies and exercise are the only things that make the world easy. We need to teach kids this because the world is always going to be imperfect.

[@Manuel-kl8jc]

Suffering has nothing to do with it and I can prove that you agree with me.

[@crazymacedonianboi]

right . how are they the good guys when they don’t care about teaching kids to be more civil. I’m civil but not if someone starts running their mouth because they can’t outsmart me on issues I understand.

[@SuperBlaze117]

Ok children. My original comment was kinda lazy. The point I had in my mind was more about how I watched this video about him telling a story about how to handle people who pick on you. By the end of it he had offered nothing helpful to the girl who asked beyond "highschool isnt life". What a horrible thing to say to a young girl who is suffering. Yes being an adult is much harder, but we were prepared for the pain by enduring all of the "relative" pain along our road to adulthood. What upsets me is that adults become so jaded and out of touch with the very real pain of young people that they simply dismiss it as unimportant. For the children it is as real as our so described "real life pain". You cannot communicate wisdom to a child who hasn't earned its meaning. Instead you must filter that wisdom into helpful advice relative to their experience.

[@lorenzocoy-galindo4419]

Wish I had seen or heard this advice when I was in elementary/middle school. It would’ve spared me from a lot of pain now.

[@unclejaypoker1679]

You always bring life into the ultimate perspective...cheers to you my brother!

[@mandst5466]

Always fight a bully, no matter how many times you MIGHT loose!

[@genesiskeglar6372]

“Strip mall Karate (club)” sounds like a good vaporwave album name

[@sd5241]

Jocko reminds me of my DS. Tall, bulky, muscular but god damn gentle at the same time. He helped us and since he used to be football coach he knew how to bring us back up. The moral system is strong with Jocko.

[@kaltonian]

Hi Right then Jocko I have to say something, after listening to you and watching you on your podcasts since the 1st podcast is i have to say, now please don't take offence to this which I don't think you will but for an army nut You are one clever man m8 & your advice and understanding of life decimates nearly all life coaches and professors of life studies and i mean that, you come out with some real stuff that carries good wait so i would like to say Thank you Jocko & Echo, thank you

[@flossygallaway6565]

This is why i have become a recluse i don't care about gossip religion anymore people just seem to suck now . No humanity no empathy no thought for others.

[@mouthbreather280]

Love the Ecosystem perspective. So many things fall into some ecosystem. Another awesome Jocko speech/interview/podcast 👍