At the end of the day you should be asking yourself, why did Kelsey feel like she needed to get immunity?
@stephanied48634 ай бұрын
🎯
@jboogie452134 ай бұрын
It's not full immunity. It's called qualified immunity. She isn't free from prosecution if evidence points that way, she is free from her testimony being used against her
@jusq72694 ай бұрын
Thats the part alot people not noticing
@beautifulasme87984 ай бұрын
I believe it's because that gun was her's
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@jboogie45213right. But you still need it for a reason. Why would that be the very first thing she asks for when taking the stand?
@sdot71174 ай бұрын
Kelsey’s gun. Gun residue on Kelsey’s hands. Kelsey got immunity. She did it.
@Itachipwnsnubcakes4 ай бұрын
Facts and Meg lying ass covered it up. Disgusting what they got away with Free Tory.
@andref96634 ай бұрын
Witness says he did it
@sdot71174 ай бұрын
@@andref9663 witness didn’t say that. He said he saw Tory holding the gun. GSR is the most accurate way to tell who fired a weapon. Thats why prosecution could only convict him of having a gun in his possession. The witness also said that he saw the girls fighting.
@brooklynmedina76764 ай бұрын
@@sdot7117why are you saying the prosecution wouldn’t prosecute the shooter.
@RakelDaNell4 ай бұрын
If it was over him and the girls chose to serve him up over it, then I stand by their solidarity. Period.
@hyodent15694 ай бұрын
I stand with Joe on this one . Kelsey needing immunity for something she supposedly didn’t do is a red flag . Then getting on the stand and not remembering anything she said on record is crazy . Then the neighbor changes their story after meeting with the DA. Should’ve been a mistrial at least
@DomBrownONLINE4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@dreamkitty4 ай бұрын
@@hyodent1569 tory said she didn’t do it. explain why he would say that.
@louissmith34444 ай бұрын
Kelsey got off too easy being such a vital part of the incident
@Princesskia944 ай бұрын
@@dreamkitty thank you! It’s clear that Kelsey took the money and didn’t want to get caught up lying. If this was some elaborate plan that her and Meg had then why did she undermine Meg on the stand? These people are abusers themselves and apologists
@bgtheiceberg4 ай бұрын
@@dreamkitty That IG comment was taken out of context and was posted by someone else on Tory’s team. When they brought it up as evidence in trial they had to throw it out due to it being confirmed that Tory’s assistant said it and not Tory.
@Stillswingingforthefences4 ай бұрын
Joe is correct on this one! Meg lied to Gail, Kelsey, and on the stand. Ask the dude she was in a relationship with at the time because she lied to him as well.
@andref96634 ай бұрын
And Tory also lied
@Stillswingingforthefences4 ай бұрын
@@andref9663 Lmao! You play to much
@buddhafortune61664 ай бұрын
@@andref9663facts he lied the whole time but ppl forget that for some reason
@greggyc18694 ай бұрын
@@buddhafortune6166what did he lie about?
@henryvl94993 ай бұрын
@@andref9663you tripping
@bloomer2344 ай бұрын
If I was accused of shooting someone and I DIDN'T do it, there is no scenario where I'm not taking the stand to state that fact.
@aarondouglas97614 ай бұрын
If he went up there and told on Kelsey everyone would be calling him a snitch
@Weeks254 ай бұрын
He was probably wasted an doesn’t really know what happened. I don’t think he did it and If he did I think it was an accident. I think he was wasted an doesn’t really know hence why he called Kelsey from jail the next morning apologizing. He woke up in jail was told why he was there an his first reaction was to apologize. But after thinking about things an getting out a talking to Kelsey an the driver he probably put pieces together.
@Shania-od5pn4 ай бұрын
He don’t wanna send his side pièce to jail hunbun ❤😂
@bloomer2344 ай бұрын
@aarondouglas9761 so he chose his reputation over his child and family... makes sense.
@mrpiw2674 ай бұрын
@@aarondouglas9761so what that’s the problem with our culture we live by this stupid no snitching sh!t. Then everyone crying that he locked up can’t have it both ways!! He had an easy way to not be in jail right now and he playing by some rules that don’t exist
@solomonsebina79464 ай бұрын
THAT CASE IS TOO WEIRD
@therighteousteacher44254 ай бұрын
No it's not.. Tory wasn't convicted for shooting her, because they know he didn't.. he was convicted of assualt with a semiautomatic handgun, loaded and unregistered gun in a vechile and gross negilgence.. It's the 10 years everyone is tripping over, because he was trying to wrestle the gun away from Kelsey and the gun went off.
@KKB454 ай бұрын
DNA WASNT EVEN ON THE GUN. CASE DISMISSED
@joka53454 ай бұрын
How so?
@andstilltv21484 ай бұрын
way too inconsistent to reach a guilty verdict
@TheBeautifullyUnique4 ай бұрын
Very weird. Meg was drunk she probably don’t even know who did it
@Espectro16804 ай бұрын
I believe Tory and the friend was fighting over the gun and it went off . Then Meg and The friend stuck together and left Tory out to dry ..
@Gggbb12354 ай бұрын
Bingo.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
Ya but what’s important to note is Kelsey pulled the gun. Tory wasn’t the one in a fist fight in the middle of the street. His intentions was to deescalate. He wasn’t the one doing anything illegal
@MelissaStallion4 ай бұрын
I didn't know you were there. Interesting @@MakaveliG17C
@JaiK644 ай бұрын
Why would Tory and the friend be fighting over a gun that Kelsey pulled out? And another question would be if Tory and his friend was fighting over the gun how did Kelsey end up with gun residue on her?
@Harryberkowtz4 ай бұрын
@@JaiK64she saying Tory and Kelsey was fighting over the gun bc Kelsey pulled it out with the intentions of shooting Meg
@UniqueTnes-p3y4 ай бұрын
The drivers account is what every real person thought happened.
@slayer68674 ай бұрын
@@UniqueTnes-p3y exactly
@kle92684 ай бұрын
Do yall think it’s impossible that this driver has been on the internet and seen all these theories and chose it as his official statement ?
@kle92684 ай бұрын
I didn’t see the driver’s statement but did the driver include why he is just coming forth with this statement one year later + after have been missing during the trial of his boss. I mean, not being present to defend an innocent man who was feeding your family ? Idk I still don’t get it
@slayer68674 ай бұрын
@kle9268 Go read it before making that statement, and it was explained why he didn't testify. He came to one of the final days of trial ready to testify, but the prosecution needed another 2 weeks for prep, and they decided with all the lies and reasonable doubt they didn't need it. Obviously, a lot of airheads in Cali decided otherwise.
@slayer68674 ай бұрын
@kle9268 No, because of what's already been explained, I'm sure he was hoping to testify before closing, and they didn't let him.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
It cracks me up how women sit in front of their tv’s watching other women violently fight over the most minuscule things on Zeus Network every week yet y’all can’t fathom that Megan and Kelsey were fighting in the middle of the street that night. All these mental gymnastics just to deflect and say Tory must have had a fragile ego and done something foolish 😂
@everettwalker22584 ай бұрын
🎯 🎯🎯🎯🎯
@elainekellogg63454 ай бұрын
Cuz all women think the same 🙄🤦♀️
@louissmith34444 ай бұрын
Lmao good point
@beautifulsurprise94244 ай бұрын
Why would Tory take a 10 year bid and allow Kelsey to walk away with no jail time at all ? Why didn't he accept the 2 year plea bargain? He would be out by now.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
@@beautifulsurprise9424 your argument makes zero sense. Why would he take a plea deal for something he didn’t do?
@jay34144 ай бұрын
Everyone knows the best friend did it, But snitch culture has him locked up
@kickz4theculture9972 ай бұрын
This is a FACT! Very poisonous culture!
@female1152 ай бұрын
You were there?
@bRenegadez2 ай бұрын
@@female115the driver was
@SmooveTV7184 ай бұрын
Someone in mainstream media that has the courage to have this take? I'm surprised.
@PrincipalSkinner31904 ай бұрын
He's not mainstream media and this is a tired take.
@SmooveTV7184 ай бұрын
@@PrincipalSkinner3190ok a “big platform”
@topgundarien4 ай бұрын
@@PrincipalSkinner3190this podcast is the number one hiphop podcast. Why would this not be considered as mainstream? Genuine question
@janeli46164 ай бұрын
@@topgundarien mainstream media is a publication that is consumed by the general public. This podcast is for a specific audience as most podcasts are
@azlstrhl4 ай бұрын
@@PrincipalSkinner3190facts... if you know about co-intel pro or controlled opposition then not surprising at all
@Rattyboy4 ай бұрын
Exactly my POINT. Kelsey had more of a reason to shoot Meg. Her and Meg both had a FIGHT and Meg is HUGE. Kelsey got mollywhopped and went to grab HER OWN gun. Tory tried to wrestler it off from her and gun went off. Why is this hard to grasp? So you mean to tell me Tory shoots Meg because kelsey lost the fight? Lol Nooooooo. Use common sense, the dude apologized for him causing the whole incident by smashing them both. Some Of yall some slowpokes. Smh 🤦🏾♂️
@JEiGiE4 ай бұрын
facts
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
I’ve seen so many people say them fighting and lying about it is irrelevant it’s spooky.
@DTrap22934 ай бұрын
Literally
@mykeynotyours87244 ай бұрын
Pretty much.
@kevinsbiscuitsnjelly81934 ай бұрын
Bruh! This is spot on I didn't even post lol. Megan definitely had Kelsey's face wiping the floor mats b4 that SUV pulled over. You gotta be either a Simp or complete moron to not see how Kelsey got charged up and belligerent after that ass wooping and how Tory, a dude with regular 'ninja thoughts' would react 😂🤦🏽♂️
@MB-es9ft4 ай бұрын
Let’s clear some things up: 1. Tory’s defense team DID try to call the driver to stand, the DA objected because they were not ready to cross him and wanted to delay the trial 2. The driver testimony would have made a huge difference as it provides context to Shawn Kelly’s chaotic testimony, proves Meg’s “dance b dance” story is false, and proves Kelsey had motive and intent
@stephanied48634 ай бұрын
🎯🎯
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
Ok so why didnt the defense want to delay if the testimony was so trivial?
@MB-es9ft4 ай бұрын
@@chattybtv they did agree to delay it a few days, but prosectors wanted weeks until after the holidays, would have resulted in a mistrial and they thought they had enough reasonable doubt to not have to do the whole trial over again
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
@@MB-es9ft I mean a mistrial would have been better than him being found guilty.
@theamazingspider-man3fanfi5714 ай бұрын
Are you sure? Or do you want that to be the case😭
@Cee-et1vj4 ай бұрын
1. I’ve never seen or heard of someone accidentally shooting five rounds at someone. 2. Who goes to jail for someone else’s crime and immediately calls the actual criminal to apologize for something he said he didn’t do? 3. During that phone call, Tory says, “I would’ve never done that if I wasn’t drunk… She’s probably never going to talk to me again.” Such statements are more indicative of a serious situation like a shooting, not a sex-related incident. 4. It’s important to consider Tory’s violent past. He physically assaulted August for a minor slight, so it’s plausible that his drunken state could have intensified his reaction if he felt disrespected. 5. Kelsey’s initial statement matched both Megan’s account and witness accounts from neighbors, even though she and Megan were no longer on speaking terms. If her statement were false, it’s likely she would have claimed she didn’t see who shot her from the beginning. 6. Kelsey clearly accepted money from Tory, which led to 1501 settling the case against Megan. Megan’s attorney requested to see text exchanges between the label and Kelsey, raising questions about why Tory would offer or pay money if he hadn’t done anything. Additionally, Tory made an Instagram comment early on claiming that Kelsey didn’t do it. 7. Tory didn’t testify because his lawyers believed it wouldn’t be in his best interest. If he were truly innocent, why would his lawyers advise against him testifying, especially with the risk of a 10 to 20-year sentence? The only logical explanation is that his lawyers feared he would be caught in too many lies, which could eliminate reasonable doubt in the jury's mind. 8. The main issue with bloggers and podcasters covering this case is their focus on whether Megan lied about an alleged affair, rather than addressing the fact that she was shot five times.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@Cee-et1vj fuck lying about an affair Megan lied about fighting Kelsey. Her story does not match with either of the sober witnesses or Kelsey’s for that matter. There is no physical evidence linking Tory to the shooting. We found out Dance Bitch was a lie which was their main tie to the intent. What did Kelsey need immunity for? And to plead the fifth? It’s crazy for this to wash out how yall say Tory has to be evil enough to shoot a woman for no reason AND stupid enough to confess to doing so on a call he was told was recorded. Addressing a man about yall issues should not suggest you would pull out and bust at a woman.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@Cee-et1vj what proof do you have that Kelsey was paid off? That’s one of the questions she answered straight up instead of claiming to forget or pleading the fifth. And there was no evidence presented to suggest this. People can address that Megan was hurt AND that she lied. And it wasn’t just lying about fucking Tory. Which is still bad enough, it ain’t like shawty thought she was being interviewed by Wendy Williams. She knew Gayle wasn’t asking about her fucking Tory for the sake of having the tea. But she lied with a man’s life on the line because she was concerned about her image. No way she would do that more than once tho right?
@warking27344 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@warking27344 ай бұрын
@@wellDamnJamzshe didn’t lie. Yall just don’t like her so you’ll believe anything against her. Meanwhile lanez is a whole felon.
@cheletekoatransfer4 ай бұрын
What if you are wrong. This is sad all way around...
@JimmyCooks9694 ай бұрын
What disgusts me most about the Tory and Megan case is she could have just told the truth and said Kelsey pulled the gun after they were in a physical altercation and that Tory was trying to disarm her Tory had zero motive or intent to harm her. Yet she told police he viscously shot her with intent while telling her to dance. She has no soul, never underestimate how low a scorn woman can go to hurt you
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
Tory could’ve told the truth too
@JimmyCooks9694 ай бұрын
@@chattybtv He had a gag order and was falsely accused. He wasn’t supposed to say anything nor testify. It was his lawyers job to paint the picture
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
@@JimmyCooks969 he didn’t have a gag order when he blamed rock nation on live then lie and say Meg was not sh0t. he also didn’t have one when dropped his project profiting off the situation. You’re crying about motive as if it takes much to set Tory off. He literally fought August alsina for not dapping him up, he assaulted prince in a club, he jumped Dax bc he dropped a diss song about him.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@chattybtvapproaching a man with issues does not tell me you will shoot a woman for no reason.
@CamPerry4 ай бұрын
@@chattybtvanyone who has been in a lawsuit before knows you aren’t supposed to say anything that could be used against you in a case. That’s what the lawyers job is for.
@Psych86_4 ай бұрын
Joe called it in the beginning and said her friend did it. She cried on IG and lied on the stand on tory. Why didn't the driver testify on the day of the trial
@nicoleanderson89204 ай бұрын
Then why not have the energy for the friend if the friend did it.
@shepardkings4 ай бұрын
@@nicoleanderson8920cause stupidity tells us not to snitch even when you know the person who did it
@Psych86_4 ай бұрын
@nicoleanderson8920 because megs lies are more important
@denverjohnson56404 ай бұрын
Prosecution withheld his testimony, and the defense didn't fight them on it, which further substantiates Tory's claim of ineffectual counsel.
@Mesmerized.by.Nothing4 ай бұрын
Tory and Megan cleared Kelsey of shooting Megan and thats a fact
@robertcoker50864 ай бұрын
Marc Lamont just displayed the American education system
@KiddFreshJr4 ай бұрын
Man That shit he said was irresponsible as fuck. He basically said Tory guilty because he looks like he’ll do it lol
@ir17784 ай бұрын
@@KiddFreshJr must've missed that part
@Msboochie24 ай бұрын
What you see is a smart man, who knows he doesn't want to go up against Roc Nation’s version of events, that the media has decided to push regardless of the facts. He knows how stupid he sounds, that's why he was so quiet after he made a fool of himself.
@KiddFreshJr4 ай бұрын
@@ir1778 He said it’s more likely Tory would shoot her than he would not. Then he comparing Tory to niggas that have nothing to lose. He was just pandering to Meg
@youngmuggzy854 ай бұрын
Marc is a lawyer I believe and if isn’t a lawyer went to law school. He’s an extremely accomplished and well heeled member of the national media - he’s no dummy by any means. As a liberal and in the spirit of the side of media he plays on - HE HAS TO TAKE MEGAN’s side. He’s like Mal with his OVO chain tucked in. He’s probably linked to ROC Nation or even just friendly with too many women colleagues that would side with Megan. His beliefs are just general agreed upon orthodoxies to keep his benefactors and relationships happy. He’s just saying stuff to “other side” this argument in the spirit of debate. I don’t think he has strong convictions about this case either way.
@danielphilipos68624 ай бұрын
The very last sentence Joe said killed meeee 😂😂😂😂. “That guy wants to go back “ 9:57
@SpoonTunez4 ай бұрын
That’s real though 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@GeorgieHilfiger4 ай бұрын
Realest shit
@jacktacularАй бұрын
He was tryna calm them down so they can go back in good vibes. Kylie wasnt lettin nobody in on bad vibes
@jmoney4220Ай бұрын
9:59 That guy wants to go back!! 🤣🤣
@jakoreyaj4 ай бұрын
I think it's forgotten that Tory didn't have the gun residue on his hands... it was Kelsey
@petetonic13014 ай бұрын
That’s what I’ve been saying it’s like humans don’t listen especially the triggered females 😢
@Cyber_Levi4 ай бұрын
Please dont start bringing marc hill on the show 🤦🏾♂️
@BoxingB0oda4 ай бұрын
Dude in the red a simp
@christopherbanks9624 ай бұрын
Facts
@Whereyoubelongg4 ай бұрын
He a media talking head. He the same one who said men can get pregnant LOL.
@mlee44674 ай бұрын
@@Whereyoubelongg foh, you serious?
@tuureal23584 ай бұрын
He definitely a simp I was thinking the same thing
@chrisleisure88014 ай бұрын
I don't like his mannerisms lol
@Demsky834 ай бұрын
Mark Lamont sHill is one of the most pandering people on network TV. How does he sleep at night on that bed of bullshit.
@reemoe93744 ай бұрын
Facts 😂
@westindian104 ай бұрын
👊🏾
@stephanied48634 ай бұрын
Right. He always sounds so foolish. He proves that having degrees doesn't always mean you're intelligent. It just means you can pass a few tests.
@gunnyo504 ай бұрын
Usually he gets a lot of points right, but on here on this topic of meg getting shot in her foot, he's wrong. When there's conflicting testimony of what really happened then this whole trial should have led to a dismissal and thrown out. Girls that was fucking with Tory turned on him real quick and lied on him, that's foul.
@OpaLockaOutlaw3054 ай бұрын
Yeah I was telling my ppl that same thang!!
@llw53one4 ай бұрын
If Tory was basically saving Meg or trying to prevent her from being shot then he shouldn’t have been charged in the same way.
@charlesdavid-p1y4 ай бұрын
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@DianaJovita4 ай бұрын
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@darkkshine3 ай бұрын
Tf is this?
@MimiCheckinfakeheaux4 ай бұрын
If Kelsey shot Meg Tory should have said it. He should have gotten on the stand. He didn’t, and that’s why he is sitting in jail.
@youngair244 ай бұрын
He's sitting in Jail because someone LIED
@markesgrant4 ай бұрын
He’s not in jail for shooting her though. He was charged with something else.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@markesgrantthe issue for me is people are too fine with the narrative being consistent with dance bitch dance being a lie. For Kelsey being the one who pulled and fired the gun. Like if he went to jail on a technicality it’s still not okay because it got to this point based on a lie.
@africancoast4 ай бұрын
@@wellDamnJamz It's not a technicality. He was guilty of what he was charged of.
@simplydeep20094 ай бұрын
He also said Kelsey didn't shoot Meg.
@DippedGaming4 ай бұрын
This comment section finna be DISGUSTING.
@420marleygee24 ай бұрын
I'm just mad cuz Joe knows for a fact he was set up but didn't wanna say anything back then now he wanna talk like come on
@janeli46164 ай бұрын
@@420marleygee2 joe dont know shit. He been talking out his ass since day one
@DevelonAnthony-vr1bl4 ай бұрын
THE LIES THAT PUT HIM IN PRISON IS MORE DISGUSTING.
@DippedGaming4 ай бұрын
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1bl Him being in possession of a firearm as a non-citizen on parole is what got him in jail. No matter who got shot.
@420marleygee24 ай бұрын
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1bl never had a gun, no gun prints, yea ok buddy
@kcgetmoney4 ай бұрын
Shawn Kelly originally said he saw the woman grab the gun and saw something spark near her. After he met the prosecutor, now the little man had the weapon in his hand smh.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
I don’t see how people keep skipping over this.
@wallaceisking4 ай бұрын
yea i remember that . He was supposed to be the star witness which is why the defense felt they didn’t need the driver .
@morenitomoreno12824 ай бұрын
For kelsey he said he saw a spark near her. For tory he said he saw him shoot the gun in megs direction. The fact tory stans constantly lie about basic facts in thar case is very telling.
@kcgetmoney4 ай бұрын
@morenitomoreno1282 ok, let's talk about the facts then. Before he got on the stand, he told the cops he saw the woman go to the car and grab something that looked like a gun, and he saw a spark between the two women. He never said anything about the little man (Tory) having or shooting a gun until he went on the stand. Remember, Kelly was the Defendant's star witness. Why would they put him on the stand if he was going to say that Tory had the weapon in his hand?
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@morenitomoreno1282what does that spark near her mean to you? What does it mean to you that they were fighting at all? For minutes. When Megs story goes she got out the car and Tory started shooting seconds later? What does it mean that Dance Bitch was only heard by Megan
@cornelliouspollard2734 ай бұрын
Aint dude in the red shirt the dude that was trying to justify trans playing in women's sports? And severly lost that debate to Candace Owens?
@prettypri17404 ай бұрын
Huhhhhh
@dreamkitty4 ай бұрын
@@cornelliouspollard273 she wasn’t trans. it’s been over a week and you’re still believing misinformation?
@MrQGTM4 ай бұрын
Obviously you cant read..... 2 different things
@anelemsimang56924 ай бұрын
Yes it's him, he also got cooked by Patrice O'Neal
@eyanandaahmed3084 ай бұрын
i can’t believe y’all are still spreading this misinformation. Being trans is ILLEGAL where she is from so how can she represent the country in the olympics by being trans???
@Conniecunningham-zg7yi3 ай бұрын
It's truly frightening to think about someone being capable of lying and causing an innocent person to be imprisoned. It's a deeply concerning and unsettling thought.
@nikivory68914 ай бұрын
Marc Lamont is a certified cornball ever since he said that Dave Chappelle was lying when he said that "only a woman can have a baby"
@dniques3284 ай бұрын
Swear I can’t stand dude. Anything to push the extreme leftist agenda.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
He’s a roc nation puppet
@Followthedrip4 ай бұрын
He said what 😮🤦🏾♂️ 10:16
@ir17784 ай бұрын
@@nikivory6891 transmen can have kids too
@OMOninja4 ай бұрын
he’s a hired feminist lgbt apologist
@bobbyruffin69784 ай бұрын
That phone call was apologizing for going to bed with both of them, why is the gun sealed and why couldn't they find out who owned the gun ?
@stephanied48634 ай бұрын
Exactly. And why were multiple people's prints on the gun?
@Gen-td3xt4 ай бұрын
@@bobbyruffin6978 that doesn't make sense because Meg was the one getting cheated on why would he apologize to her
@rudywilson95294 ай бұрын
@@Gen-td3xthe was sleeping with kelsey first
@janeli46164 ай бұрын
@@rudywilson9529i wanna know when he had time to sleep with kelsey when kelsey was in houston the whole time and it was known fact that meg and tory was going on vacations together and she was shaking her ass on quarantine radio every chance she got! Make it Make sense!
@CloudWalker__4 ай бұрын
@@Gen-td3xt… because he cheated on her…
@2cutedoma4 ай бұрын
Joe is so mad he's not getting another Chixtape anytime soon 😂
@nycfinest45454 ай бұрын
Shit I’m mad too 😂 I’m still not tired of chinxtape but I want another
@Vip4uLC4 ай бұрын
I don't understand why people are just now seeing something with this case. Smh people so clueless
@Lane.Kiffin4 ай бұрын
in this same episode Mel made a comment about the consequences that may come when your girl sees you texting another woman while she is next to you and what she may do in that moment (in regards to the johnathan majors situation) but couldn’t have a open mind about the possibilities with Kels/meg in this situation
@mickyfoo7734 ай бұрын
She a old hag what you expect lol
@jamarranthony4 ай бұрын
She switches her position to always seem like women are victims and they are angels not capable of any wrong doing
@KDBetter4 ай бұрын
Yeah she’s kinda weird
@JaiK644 ай бұрын
@@jamarranthony that's feminism for you 😅
@She_so_red4 ай бұрын
Toccora revealed she was sleeping with Drake at the exact same time as Mel, and they were good friends. I believe once Mel knew and continued to sleep with Drake, it lead me to believe she is completely biased regarding certain topics
@kierrataylor56534 ай бұрын
As a criminal justice major and I believer of evil beings in the music industry, that I know Joe is aware of. This is hilarious! Yall know what happened!
@216FlymusicАй бұрын
U holding a gun cuz u took it from someone doesn’t mean u go to jail
@keenonbenz74584 ай бұрын
The amount of delusion one must have to deduce the Tory and Meg case simply down to it being a case “fragile male ego” is insane. Megan and Kelsey’s egos were the ones that were hurt for getting dubbed by Tory Why keep ignoring the FACT Megan and Kelsey were literally in fist fight? Why ignore that both witnesses saw the girls fight and Kelsey grab the gun first? Why ignore them both saying it looked like Tory was trying to wrestle the gun away? The amount of mental gymnastics Marc Lamont and Melyssa are doing is crazy
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
I’ve seen people say the fight literally doesn’t matter, and stand on it. That Dance Bitch being a lie just doesn’t matter
@williamsmith89104 ай бұрын
"that guy wants to go back!!" is too funny 😭😭
@jmoney4220Ай бұрын
I’m crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@MosMoney187Ай бұрын
I'm here after Meg lied about sleeping with Tory and Marc is a bozo on his stance on that entire situation. I hope Tory comes home and sues Roc Nation. And Meg needs to face some type of punishment as well. Sie her ssa also.
@DaSmoothClutch4 ай бұрын
I've never been so aligned with Joe in my life
@KeepitOneHunnedGrandАй бұрын
WORD!!!!
@Uglimugkill4 ай бұрын
The driver went MIA during the trial. He’s not under oath, why didn’t he say this during the trial.
@louissmith34444 ай бұрын
It guess things were too hot at the time and he didn’t want to be involved but guilt been eating him up so now he feels he has to make something right
@JDCartier-pv4rr4 ай бұрын
But from the way the story is framed, Tory had no hate in him, he was the person causing the heat. Why would he say “dance b” when he tagging both of them? Like where is his reasoning to want to shoot and say that?
@redkem804 ай бұрын
Of course Marc Lamont-Hill is gonna pander 😂😂
@marcomarin11964 ай бұрын
The smartest guy in the room accused of pandering smh
@dss52364 ай бұрын
Yea he simping
@blackspider14054 ай бұрын
And you simple clowns would think that.
@davidbrewer23244 ай бұрын
@@marcomarin1196 The H0 lied on Gale show and Marc is still looking at her as a truthful Saint 😕
@proquow4 ай бұрын
@@marcomarin1196 Book smarts do not always translate to street smarts lol
@trapunderdog4l1944 ай бұрын
Kelsey asking for immunity is crazy.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
Why is Kelsey so calm on the phone with someone who just beat her up and shot her best friend? Why she agree to help bail him out? Why she give him Megs location? Why hadnt she told police the viscous crime Tory just committed at that point? Why she ask for immunity? What’s sick is twisting the context of that jail call and pretending like it could only be for shooting Meg. He apologized like any man would and knew he instigated it by revealing he was sleeping with Megan to Kelsey behind her back
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
Kelsey was calm bc it’s not uncommon for victims to be calm w their abusers. She most likely agreed to bail him out and not cooperate w police bc from the jump they were trying to keep the story low profile as it was mentioned on the call. The better question is why did Tory say it wasn’t Kelsey that did it and that Meg was never sh0t?
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
@@chattybtv do victims also ask for immunity? Please come back to reality. No one “abused” anyone that night. Just two drunk girls fighting over a dude and one pulled a gun. Also that ig comment was made before anyone was ever charged with shooting Megan. He didn’t believe Kelsey should go to jail over such a foolish thing. She also didn’t try to shoot Megan, it was an accident in the end
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
@@MakaveliG17C ok so why did he lie and say Meg was never sh0t?
@chattybtv4 ай бұрын
@@MakaveliG17C no one accused of sh00ting someone would say the “actual” sh00ter is not the sh00ter. No one accused of sh00ting someone would lie and say the victim was never sh0t only to have his driver confirm she actually was sh0t.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
@@chattybtvhe never said Meg wasn’t shot. He was detailing the narratives in the social media ether and why they were responding to events and news how they were, and from there how Meg responded to that. That’s from the IG live. The IG comment in question was addressed in court. The comment his page (not necessarily Tory himself) responded to was “everybody’s saying Kelsey shot her” to which Tory’s account said “that’s not true” because that was not a popular narrative in the slightest. Nobody was saying that at the time. He did says straightforward out his mouth that he didn’t do it tho more than once.
@fynmerkyYTL8134L4 ай бұрын
let the apologies be louder than the accusations and disrespect
@Ramgoat11264 ай бұрын
Everybody with common sense , kno he didn’t do that shit
@Talkswithtukay4 ай бұрын
FREE TORY WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH
@user-hb5zj9vm9h4 ай бұрын
💯
@quilosunflowerАй бұрын
But do you really??? Lmfaoooo, if YOU weren’t there, you know nothing!
@keenonbenz74584 ай бұрын
What’s most disgusting is how Megan lied and said Tory viscously shot her for no reason while telling her to “dance b dance”. That’s straight evil She could have just told the truth and said she was ima scuffle with her friend and Tory tried to disarm her after Kelsey pulled a gun and it went off. That’s what sick about this case, she just wanted to protect her image and profit off this while throwing Tory under the bus
@Jae_Shinobi4 ай бұрын
Joe hit the nail on the head at the end Tory had very little motive to shoot Meg. Meg was embarrassed she snaked her homegirl was getting passed around the rap scene on some groupie ish and it's easy to push a DV narrative on a short dude so she lied. Homegirl didn't want to go to jail so she kept quiet. Tory was solid and kept his mouth closed cause taking the stand against two women over a 5 year charge is not a good look. I really can't see that playing out any other way.
@TheJourneyofAll4 ай бұрын
Picking and choosing the lies you believe is crazy and turning your back while 3 people are arguing and a gun is involved is even wilder
@Jimmy8InFinity2 ай бұрын
The “dance bitch” comment was made by Daylyt on a KZbin live 08/2020. That’s from my knowledge. Yes it may have been said by others but either way. She used what the internet said and not what factually happened. Kelsey made a diss record 3 months after the incident, following her fallout with Meg. Tory makes multiple albums less than a year later. He explains what happened through the songs and music videos and even predicted that one of the girls would sacrifice him for themselves. He then continued to reference the fight and that night throughout his music and music videos.
@latoyagoode49704 ай бұрын
I’m Joe on this one! Like they say “I’m with ya when you’re right”
@MelissaStallion4 ай бұрын
Of course you'd side with a known abuser
@Harryberkowtz4 ай бұрын
@@MelissaStallionit’s not about Joe history. Of course you side with the woman. It’s like people can’t use critical thinking and come up with their own conclusion without someone feeling some type of way. It’s not about siding with an abuser it’s about looking at the evidence and determining an outcome. Take your personal biases out of it. . He didn’t shoot her , he didn’t even get charge with shooting her. Yet people still debating over it.
@BOSZAY4 ай бұрын
Her music is extra raunchy, but she is ashamed for her real life behavior....
@mindbully4 ай бұрын
Conspiracy theorists are delusional. This is why ppl escape accountability.
@kjk6074 ай бұрын
conspiracy theories are the main weapons of the uneducated.
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
Is it a conspiracy when you don’t think the facts and the results add up?
@MrTjack101014 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the whole time she was able to go on platforms and speak, the judges said Tory couldn’t say nothing! That’s why he was putting out songs that may have hinted at what was going on
@JDeezle21Ай бұрын
Can't support Meg
@faithdobson39834 ай бұрын
Exactly! Tory didn't shoot Megan he was trying to take the gun away from Kelsey!
@dreamkitty4 ай бұрын
tory said kelsey didnt do it lol
@dreamkitty4 ай бұрын
@BobbySteels__ so who did it bobby lol meg dna wasn’t on the gun
@dreamkitty4 ай бұрын
@BobbySteels__ so no answer 💀
@lisalovescott82854 ай бұрын
The sad part is if Tory didn’t do it then he stupid and he belongs where he is because he chose not to say anything and fight for himself.
@realamerican80694 ай бұрын
Right! My point exactly!
@FlipTheShmoney4 ай бұрын
If he would’ve testified that would’ve given the prosecution the green light to cross examine him and bring in past situations, divisive song lyrics, and his whole background as a way to paint his character as someone who would do it instead of someone who did so his legal team decided to go with that strategy cause they felt they already caught Meg in enough lies which they really did
@realamerican80694 ай бұрын
@@FlipTheShmoney so basically his character is horrible and doesn’t have anything to stand on lol.. his defense ruined the case if he’s “ innocent “ on the same hand his defense won the case if he’s guilty.. he took lesser charges but still had to go to to jail.. he was better off taking the stand, if he’s “innocent”.. but clearly he’s not.
@FlipTheShmoney4 ай бұрын
@@realamerican8069 no, the court system is just flawed and will use anything in your past or as I stated song lyrics to paint a narrative and whatever one’s character was when they were young doesn’t prove anything about who they are the day they stand trial and whether they didn’t or not because someone’s past isn’t evidence and the issue is yall keep saying he did it with no one ounce of solid evidence to stand on and that’s weird
@applenewyork76824 ай бұрын
I Stand with Tory lanez Free tory arrest meg
@user-hb5zj9vm9h4 ай бұрын
💯
@dejondabeast24 ай бұрын
Stuff like this makes you never want to get involved in other people mess, it never ends well for the mediator.
@allwork1980Ай бұрын
The phone recording says Tory guilty to me
@jewelsjewels36554 ай бұрын
Who was Tory that much of a threat too, that he had to be set up 🙄🙄
@Los1504 ай бұрын
Thank you lol
@CloudWalker__4 ай бұрын
The other person that could have gone to jail if she was found to be the shooter? And then take into account how much the witness flip flopped on her story, refusing to testify at the end, and the fact that these two friends felt betrayed by a man they were both fucking? Whole don’t know what really happened.
@NikkyT14 ай бұрын
Yall both slow AF
@NoRest4TheWicked14 ай бұрын
Dude was more money than most artist independently and was spreading the information. ROC nation isn’t going for that
@gio.c90954 ай бұрын
@@NoRest4TheWicked1factz
@TheLillink4 ай бұрын
Tory saved Meg from kelsey and Meg testified against him smh
@johnjohnson959511 күн бұрын
Meg aka Amber Heard…PERIOD!!
@itsmanniebaby4 ай бұрын
Tory, the same person that punched August in the face and lied saying he wasn’t even there? The driver gave the statement in December and the defense chose not to use him…
@KeepitOneHunnedGrandАй бұрын
Marc Lamont Hill is a super goofy.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
Tory never apologized for shooting Megan. Anyone saying he did just looking for a lazy way to twist context and justify that Tory shot Meg He apologized for revealing in the car to Kelsey that him and Meg were sleeping together behind her back. This caused the huge fight between Meg and Kelsey. Meg begged Tory not to tell her
@inblackamericaradio54094 ай бұрын
The reason why people are confused by the case is because Tory team whole strategy was to cause confusion for reasonable doubt. Kelsey is the first person to say Tory shot Meg. Tory story is he wrestled a gun out of Kelsey hand. Who does Tory call from jail? Kelsey, the “shooter”. 😂😂😂 Tory didn’t apologize to Kelsey he apologized to Meg through Kelsey, “the shooter”. What did he apologize for? For sleeping with 2 woman he isn’t in a relationship with 😂😂😂😂😂. Who is the guy? Oh a multimillionaire mega star 😂😂😂😂😂.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
Why is Kelsey so calm on the phone with someone who just beat her up and shot her best friend? Why she agree to help bail him out? Why she give him Megs location? Why hasn’t she told police the viscous crime he just committed at that point? Why she ask for immunity? What’s sick is twisting the context of that call and pretending like it could only be for shooting Meg
@roquerodriguez71104 ай бұрын
Tory did sound guilty af on that phone call
@CharlieXFBA4 ай бұрын
No he sounded apologetic because he felt responsible as a MAN for how everything went down. Not because he shot her.
@reggieallen1194Ай бұрын
We know the truth. Free Tory
@harrisonjones39314 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for speaking on this!!! It's about time someone said what a lot of other people are too afraid to say!
@BTCBlizzy4 ай бұрын
7:29 the difference is, she lied on a tv interview. She didn’t tell that lie under oath.
@PizzleP4 ай бұрын
Attorney here.. it doesn't matter. The "lie" shows the character of said person. This is the exact same reason when permitted, what you said in an interrogation can be used against you in a trial as well. That's not under oath either, but if you say one thing during an interrogation and then change your story on stand under the oath, it gives any attorney with common sense the ability to use that in their favor for their client before the jury.
@rachel13333 ай бұрын
@@PizzlePthank you!! I don’t understand why people don’t get this!! If you lie especially about something so minuscule as sex vs getting shot then we can’t trust your telling the truth. On top of that Meg changed her story 3x!!!
@PizzleP3 ай бұрын
@@rachel1333 Thank you 🗣️🗣️ - people are too bias to grasp that. I'm not even a huge Tory fan, I'm just a realist, and a man, and I know we get railroaded all the time with shit that don't add up
@JpsReplayCenter4 ай бұрын
Free tory
@BLaCk_Liu_KanG4 ай бұрын
Dude in the red shirt is the same guy when ask what is a female he couldn't define it
@josephnoahwreh4 ай бұрын
What a clown he is 🤡
@alvphaАй бұрын
That dude is such a clown
@PASIMISM4 ай бұрын
1. Tory apologized - why apologize for something you didnt do? 2. Defense declined to have the driver testify during the trial - incredibly stupid move.
@ninpobudo387627 күн бұрын
What did he apologize about specifically? You're speculating
@llw53one4 ай бұрын
It’s crazy cause we the people been put the story together.
@tronwilliams87814 ай бұрын
Marc got it wrong. The witness said he saw a flash from where the small girl was and then he saw the short man grab something from the girl and wave it in the air and fired off a shot. The last part is what they convicted him on not shooting meg.
@dctv18554 ай бұрын
Crazy to think when the news first broke about Tory shooting Meg. Rory and Mal was still on the JBP… feel old now?
@DonnieBosede4 ай бұрын
Lamont smells like an op.
@Vat6ré4 ай бұрын
Talks like one too
@Ishbikes4 ай бұрын
He was that way ever since BLM
@Nt.27724 ай бұрын
Dude in red.. 🤦🏾♂️😂
@ChevsWorld4 ай бұрын
mans a bozo
@sarahbhattan-pomeroy87624 ай бұрын
Megan never got shot originally she said she got hit by glass…the glass window in the back was shot out and the shrapnel hit her feet idk why ppl are forgetting about the window being shot out
@donmacmilly4 ай бұрын
Men learn from Johnathan Majors and Tory Lanez. Take the stand. That no snitching doesn't apply to women because they will throw you under the bus.
@KeepitOneHunnedGrandАй бұрын
🎯🎯🎯
@yannickkazadi9894 ай бұрын
He shouldn’t be in jail. Sounds like he saved their lives if that’s the account I’m hearing
@kipdip88324 ай бұрын
This why I listen to Joe's podcast the brother has no dawg in the fight he just comes with common sense. 'Nigga I just wanna go back" LOL
@billydakid6013 ай бұрын
You must not listen to the pod then if you think that.
@JoeyDixonTvShow4 ай бұрын
Free Tory
@Shachaawar4 ай бұрын
Meg is the only one directly at the situation that said “Tory shot me” “he said dance bitch”.. you can’t now say he shot her, but not believe he said dance bitch they both go together. I can’t trust someone with judgment like that cause that reasonable doubt for the shooting, but the shooter isn’t the case being fought. It’s who had the gun last essentially 🤦🏿♂️
@Ballardgeonte4 ай бұрын
Tory was trying to buy himself out his deal at universal which he had outsold and overperformed despite them trying to prevent him from blowing up. He came from Canada and was consistently on the radio and pivoted in between rap and R&B. There's no doubt he was set up
@misst38834 ай бұрын
Joe. Leave the Meg stuff alone. lol
@MimiCheckinfakeheaux4 ай бұрын
He never will. He makes it very clear he doesn’t like her.
@tmitche94 ай бұрын
@@MimiCheckinfakeheauxor he just doesn’t believe her
@wellDamnJamz4 ай бұрын
Why??? This is not just about Meg. There’s a much bigger conversation to be had here
@ShinSpeedX4 ай бұрын
Free Tory 👊🏾
@dwayneharvey83524 ай бұрын
Why is the guy in the red shirt on the show 🤔?
@nobodyharder65754 ай бұрын
If Tory hadn't pissed off Roc Nation he'd be a free man today
@AveryB.04 ай бұрын
I believe Tory shot her for 2 big reasons. 1. That phone call afterwards he was very apologetic and spoke about how drunk he was the previous night and that things got out of hand. He did NOT apologize for sleeping with whomever or being messy. 2. Tory never came out and said what actually happened and who shot Meg. To this day we dont know his side of the story and what happened. Only him screaming he is innocent. He could have shot her on accident or not maliciously, but intent doesnt matter in this case
@DrewForDrew4 ай бұрын
Marc Lamont is clowning here! Terrible takes. The shit never added up and he’s speaking with a strange bias.
@JudacharFlow4 ай бұрын
Marc thinks like a female
@ManyGods4 ай бұрын
Why would Kelsey need immunity again for ? You have to commit some kind of crime to get immunity and if you have immunity why would you plead the fifth at trial…oh so you won’t perjure yourself
@chrisroberts26904 ай бұрын
The gun was probably hers...but remember they pulled texts msgs from that night. Within minutes of the shooting, that Kelsey chick sent a text to the bodyguard saying Tory shot Meg.
@LK926724 ай бұрын
Because she took money from Tory for her injuries he caused. His other attorney is provided a document stating they were working on a settlement. Why would he pay the shooter? Lol
@oliviabanks99274 ай бұрын
From my understanding Tory paid for her lawyer. Also he previous lawyer told him it was not a good idea to say Kelsey shot Meg. She was cleared on both sides. It's only partial immunity for that.🤷🏾♀️
@vanessavay4 ай бұрын
the problem is.. anyone who goes against what megan is saying looks like someone who opposes gender equality and is vilifying the victim. but somewhere in between both sides of the story is the truth, and as an objective person, hearing the case you can see there are plotholes and stories that don’t match. To me it’s very apparent that megan has made comments and changed her account of what happened too much for us to hold her completely credible. So we have a victim who has either accidentally or purposely relayed what happened in a way that isn’t completely accurate, and when that happens, it’s really hard to entrust her with the whole truth and in the imprisonment of a man who may or may not be innocent, it’s too serious to not consider that megan’s account isn’t exactly what happened. I don’t blame her for her account of everything, but you cannot be angry at the public for looking at the facts of the case and being confused. She has a right to be angry, but a logical thinker can only conclude that something is wrong
@WolfPackDragons4 ай бұрын
The part I’m having a hard time understanding is, how do you get “dance b***h “out of a situation where two women are fighting over having sex with the same man? That doesn’t sound like something that gets brought up during an argument over who slept with who.
@brianrussell79124 ай бұрын
Megan was not the one who pressed charges ......tho so how the hell is her career finished
@shar-dewheeler41904 ай бұрын
she didn't, the state did.
@keepthefaith014 ай бұрын
because she threw an innocent black men in jail, and among other shit she lied about. so get ready for more shit she lied about
@jamiejones29714 ай бұрын
She’s been flopping ever since. She can never expect to be successful off of the back of someone else’s pain that she caused by lying & putting an innocent man in jail for her benefit which backfired on her. You cannot be blessed doing detrimental things like she did to ppl. Her whole rollout has been sympathy & payola but both are starting to run dry. God sits high & looks low. Once something so concrete & undeniable comes out her career will be over. No one trust her now. The industry feels she’s a liability & ppl are afraid of being close to someone who sat up lied like she did & caused an innocent man to go to jail for something he did not do. She’s the worse type of person. Just lying & conspiring for her own benefit..or so she thought. Every day he’s incarcerated is every day her career will be a flop.
@MakaveliG17C4 ай бұрын
This narrative she didn’t press charges and tried to protect him is completely false. She literally called police herself 4 days after the incident and self reported, they didn’t even know she was shot. She accused Tory that same day, it’s in the transcripts. This is the only reason they pursued Tory. She lied saying she only snitched because he was going to media