Joe Budden vs Spotify || Halfcast Podcast

[@PhoenixHomeEd]

Poet is speaking truth, when they offer you money they have already analysed your situation. They are putting their lowest amount on the table.

[@wilseph1]

Lebron was on that back when he was coming out of high school. If Reebok was already offering X amount before he even played his first NBA game, what was his true worth. But yeah, know your worth. No one starts high when negotiating.

[@UmoInvesting]

Facts!!!!

[@laks05]

Damn I didnt know this many people from the UK listened to the JBP aswell

[@jgreedo420]

This the only pod I heard that actually knew what they were talking about and watched the damn episodes. Props

[@TYSHAAA]

We miss Dan😫🙃

[@fahemabegum8314]

Sammmmme!

[@TeePeters]

Dan has been holding it down on the recent episodes no lie

[@Noc7ev_]

Speak for yourself love

[@TYSHAAA]

@@Noc7ev_ 😂 me and 148 other people 🙃

[@Noc7ev_]

@@TYSHAAA those like make you feel good right?

[@TeePeters]

You wouldn't even know that Joe's podcast was number 1 tbh, it sounds like Spotify wasn't giving them their flowers both in public and private and that disturbs me. Like Poet said, Joe is the *champion* the company before Joe Rogan and so they should've endeavoured to treat him like so imo

[@TheCNSR]

Another case of having too much melanin.

[@TeePeters]

@@TheCNSR and something tells me they have feeling this is related too

[@cliff5377]

Most knew joe podcast was killin everyone minus joe Rogan

[@TeePeters]

@@cliff5377 if you say so brother, if you're a fan of Joe of course you would know because he says it in multiple episodes As it stands I disagree that everyone knows. Ask a stranger about the top Spotify podcast and let me know your findings - I hope I'm wrong to be honest

[@cliff5377]

Tee Peters I’m from ny so maybe the reception is different in the uk. Even gille being backed by barstool can’t do joe numbers. I’m sure some ppl in white america wouldn’t know joe but as far as the urban/rap/hip hop scene, I doubt nobody was aware jb podcast was doing numbers. Complex lost large number of viewers when joe left.

[@aisha4674]

Literally....Master P’s interlude on Solange’s “ A Seat at The Table” sums this up...know your worth 🙌🏾

[@trevorb.yokkanan9801]

My wife's affirmation every morning "Know your worth"

[@user-ik9yh6rh9e]

I swear, this is the Poet we've all missed

[@painfree1349]

EXACTLY!

[@laumoo7391]

"COVID 19, wait Copa90"

[@niitro93]

It’s only cos he didn’t know the situation in the first place.

[@4dra]

Hes relaxed down after seeing his kids

[@painfree1349]

Niitro nah this never normally stops Piet from being ON ONE!

[@TheManorOfficial]

Craig knows his stuff 📌

[@blacm3rmaid]

truss i love his energy and intellect

[@purequartz8539]

That comment poet made about having meetings in your own environment is spot on!!!! I never thought of it like that ..... these are the jewels people need to take in

[@trappinlegitlifestyle2776]

JBcoolbreez yea course! I knew that side but the simple fact of dictating your environment is crucial ..... it puts you in the right Confident mindset

[@moneycomesfirst8681]

Basically Joe Budden was the most successful podcast on spotify and made them a lot of money. But they delayed and even didn't pay him the right amount. Instead of them giving him money they offered them rolex watches lmaoooo

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

They think they are slick

[@revival45]

The disrespect is on another level

[@Drebrooklyn]

and used rolex watches too not even new lol

[@lindsaylindsay4884]

and then told him he couldn’t have a watch

[@AMLG]

Y'all mixing up and forgetting some facts in this. Budden clearly stated that the deal that they signed was to get stats from Spotify but they started to get shifty with that. Budden knew the value of that research. Also, the relationships that was their in the beginning those people left and the people that took over didn't value them. Lack of bonus payment for benchmarks. Plus, Spotify dropped the ball in making Budden and company the cornerstone for P.O.C. podcasts and creative. Also, Barstool has racist owners.

[@LpLp-sc5zp]

❄

[@elijahHD]

Poet's dad says a lot of poetic things to him.

[@marrriiee]

and it shows 💀

[@ItsD3llo]

When you look back at joe budden leaving complex. You realize he built up companies and deserves the bag

[@thebirthplacepodcast3259]

We all have to understand that Big Brother has his hands in everyone's pockets and when you want the big money it's always going to come with a huge price. Ownership is everything!

[@MelonMan0121]

Poet is less of a drama queen after he’s seen his kids it all makes sense now

[@yhbtsurely]

Oh word?

[@MelonMan0121]

yhbtsurely his kids live in Sweden, but when he finally gets to see them he’s the happiest brudda you’ll see

[@yhbtsurely]

Melon man naturally i guess!

[@72vince27]

Why he ain't see his kids?

[@Jerellaj]

Poet was spitting facts on this one. I can see why Chuckie respects his opinion because he has moments like this

[@yhbtsurely]

These are the tyms we understand y hes involved 4 real!

[@NA597]

Wiley was saying the same thing in his own way, but the argument/debate became about how he said it

[@trapanesebbi]

💯

[@khwezzofficial2842]

Reminds me of the brief convo on the zeze show..

[@faku_bibyo]

Y’all should watch Joe’s response to Charlamagne on this. Joe’s a real one! 🚫🧢

[@dazza818]

When talking about Diddy and royalties. Consider the fact Sting takes 100% royalties from ill be missing you. Which earns him $2000 a day. "Unfortunately for Diddy, no one from Bad Boy Records (Diddy's label) thought to secure Sting's permission to sample the 1983 pop song for the updated 1997 remix. Had Diddy asked permission first, he likely would have been required to hand over 25% of I'll Be Missing You's publishing royalties to Sting. By forgetting to ask permission before the song was released, Sting was able to demand and receive 100% of the remix's publishing royalties." You swim with sharks, you better play like a shark. 🦈

[@dazza818]

@Ewarton Charlton sting doesn't like people sampling his songs. He's notorious (🤔) for taking B. I. G royalty percentages from any one who samples his music. He went light on Juice World, but he was looking to tale all that money too.

[@anonm7742]

@Ewarton Charlton bro you got EFF Avi, are you from South Africa?

[@mylifeisadotmov7680]

"you just made 3mil cossa me big man...MI WHAN MI MONEYYY" Legend lol

[@Dave-ik1eg]

I love this version of poet, his weed man deffo supplied the care package

[@cbtube1677]

Why I love Poet so much 🤣🤣🤣 Gwan, you come to my yard, not me to you. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@sundiatasolomon]

When joe took the Spotify contract he was also unsure of how deals needed to be done in podcasting also. So even though Spotify was using him he was also using Spotify... hence him wanting his analytics so he could actually gage what he’s actually work and the podcast. Joe is a leader/ businessman a great one, he took the Spotify deal but he was thinking about how to value himself for the second deal. The first Spotify deal was just so he could watch

[@ace11235]

A clear chess move. He had to give in for a couple of years to get the key intel. You're never getting those data from apple, for instance. That is why he is very vocal about this. Besides practicing what he always preached, he is now making a calculated move against spotify.

[@ProductOfAnEmpire]

The LOX and Mase didn't fufill their contractual agreements of a multi album deal. The LOX made one album with Bad Boy and then joined the Ruff Ryders. Mase left to become a preacher and then came back to gangster rap by joining 50 Cent and G Unit. Diddy is still owed albums. I wouldn't give them back their masters either.

[@stringa01]

The reason they didn’t fulfill their contracts is because they were in 360 deals. Mase and jadakiss was writing for diddy but because of their deals. Diddy would still get a bigger percentage. Mase wrote the collab album for diddy after BIG died and didn’t get credited for it as an album on his contract. There’s a reason why no other artist under badboy has had success after they left.

[@Fufuman94]

The LOX were always part of Ruff Ryders even whilst they were signed with Bad Boyz

[@Hexgirl239]

Looool poet doesn’t like opinions? Very interesting coming from him

[@Johnsonparker12]

Trust me. Then gives opinion🤣

[@a.v.london1952]

So we shouldn't care for Poet opinion too! 🤭

[@ajhd2005]

what he wanted to say was that he hates other people's opinions hahaha

[@Only1koji]

A.V. LONDON I really do not. I hesitated to click this

[@briahalle]

Mi waaan money 🤣🤣🤣 tell dem again yes.

[@Dovielove]

Hasn’t Poet built a career on giving his opinions?

[@azellray]

Coming from Queens,NY,and hearing these brothers speaking All Factuals,is dope.Respect.

[@lawrencebates3281]

Great to hear folks with a grasp of the subject discuss. Nice work

[@j_ndgo]

just found you guys. dope energy def subscribing

[@Tazomatic83]

Loved hearing you guys chat about this topic. I had to hear someone else’s POV on the issue. Man like Poet speaking facts. Great segment!

[@LaithWallace]

Well done brothers for knowing your value. I pray and hope the same for our women also.

[@syncl_rity]

Surprised Poet didn't say "like Haile" when he said, "I'm just in my zone."

[@AffirmationHUB23]

Okay I know everyone’s serious right now BUT I think I just saw Calum 😂 after how many years lol

[@taffygore6285]

Shout out to you men ! Amazing segment .

[@zonazooted9426]

"You can't stop the creative."

[@Snippets635]

Something tells me hearing this Joe Rogan is going to regret moving to them... or maybe not as he is you know.. who knows

[@dicerevo]

He won’t... he’s just got a licensing deal. He’s not under contract with them. It’s like a partnership.

[@Mansa-Ali]

The situation with Joe and Spotify shows that you have to work twice as hard just to get recognition if you’re black!

[@sterlingharris1812]

I can listen to english people talk all day. Just discovered you guys. Definitely a fan !

[@h_kaizoku2736]

There are vacations in contracts and you can request the days, they requested Christmas and spotify said no. They did go on vacation the next year just not on Christmas. Also, like a lot of people in the comments have said, the deal was for stats and spotify didn't honour that.

[@MB-mg6ky]

Herd the accents and in out!✌🏾🤣😭😭

[@Anoculture]

Black culture is the dominant mainstream culture, Spotify will come back too the table. All publicity is good publicity.

[@Kmuniii]

the drip in this episode is immaculate

[@reed.abdurrahman6748]

Honorouble shout out to Callum 😂😂

[@GSB83]

Joe Rogan signed a 3 year deal. The speculation is that it is a minimum of $150m.

[@iamwhatiam4972]

Aye my recommended been doing a good job lately. I think I just found another podcast. 🇯🇲

[@emmanuelyakubu6727]

Anyone know where Chuckie got that Freiza top from seen some of the guys on filthy fella with the same one.

[@jamal1079]

Skitz clothing line

[@SC-kq9rh]

Capsule collexion

[@congress-tart]

Poet turns up and makes it all about him, unexpected.

[@sadikicole3444]

brilliant discussion

[@tone6657]

I enjoyed this conversation

[@santiago-cb9lf]

The Joe rogan deal is 100 mill for 3 years. He makes 30 mill a year anyway though

[@Snippets635]

Isn’t is 33mil? I’m assuming the remaining 1m will be for young Jamie and other folks who work behind the scenes

[@RJ-zt4of]

It has pretty much been speculated by people in his circle it is likely closer to 200-300m. If he was making 30m anyways there is no need to move for a few million more a year. Rogan also moved for censorship reasons because of KZbin that Spotify promised they would resolve but not pulling down content or demonetising his content based on a specific guest.

[@ehb5079]

Joe rogan complains about censorship but promotes certain ideas on his show whilst censoring others. Hes best buddy's with Ben Shapiro a open racist and has him on the show all the time. No respect for that shill

[@noahfletcher3019]

@@ehb5079 Ben Shapiro is a prick but he's not a racist.

[@ehb5079]

@@noahfletcher3019 Ben SHAPIRO SAID "Israelis like to build, arabs like to bomb shit and live in sewers" is this not a racist statement? Imagine if this statement was reversed, we would not hear the end of the anti-semitism cries from Ben Shapiro. He said the George floyd killing was not racially motivated AND the police officer who murdered him should be charged with assault. 😂 He said disparity in wealth between black people and white people in America has nothing to do with race and everything to do with black culture. As if 300 years of slavery had nothing to do with it..... These are only 3 examples...

[@ajohnson2283]

First time listening really enjoyed

[@TRAPSEASONENT]

Watching this made me realized how smart joe budden really is. Kill three birds wit one show I mean stone.

[@davidssshhhssshhh]

“Being black is cool, come on fam” 😂😂Love it Po

[@revival45]

Diddy will NOT give them their masters. He is rich because he has his knee on their necks. If he does he sets a precedent to give everyone their masters back. So business dictates not bad business but business will always be about being on top and you will do it at any cost. These guys are where they are because they have learned to live with thus ruthless attitude.

[@Mr1982bigman]

@Ewarton Charlton lol

[@davidjohnson7497]

Poet's got bars bro!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣 🔥🔥🔥🔥👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾 Big up Halfcast Podcast everytime big up everyman still!!!

[@NaomiK1]

Can someone tell me where Joe said they would have to give up ownership if they enter into a new contract, because i watched the relevant JBPs and he never mentioned it on there//

[@Reece_215]

He did mention it, he said 3 episodes ago that they wanted in on all joe shows and on Rory music and if the cameraman films anything outside the podcast they want money off that too. Pretty much a 360 deal.

[@NaomiK1]

@@Reece_215 Fair enough, but seems like he was considering it but the price just wasn't right for him.

[@lawrencebates3281]

This night poet the TRUTH lmaoooooo

[@LadyofLeisure.]

KNOW YOUR WORTH ✨

[@priscamoyesa]

This was a GOOD episode 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@florencesmith291]

Diddy is foul no keep ya paper damon 😂😂

[@TeePeters]

I love how mandem give nicknames to each other when gassing each other loool "camcorder callum yakna" 13:18

[@TYSHAAA]

We've come a long way from the days of calling him "Racist Callum"😫😂

[@TeePeters]

@@TYSHAAA oh yes 🤧🤧

[@trevorb.yokkanan9801]

Camcorder Callum made an appearance too 18:35 mins

[@Lenox-bp3lu]

No one wrote for Ma$e big man, mase was actually one of the biggest ghost writers in the game. Ma$e wrote for little Kim. Do a bit of research fam before you claim someone else was man's pen.

[@romel6756]

The lox got their master, when in the office on crud.

[@lewishill193]

Poet is so so so jokes 😂😂😂😭 legends, love the content

[@JJ-ez3zs]

They also have a Parks here too? Lol

[@markesq23]

Brudder..lol

[@KingAdebiyi]

The bag Joe Rogan is about to bring Spotify...

[@MrDragonkarp]

But Joe budden podcast built the money for that very deal which is wild fam

[@HimFinancial]

@@MrDragonkarp yup they literally offered Joe 100 million off the back of JBP

[@theresab93]

GEMS ARE BEING DROPPED! 💎👂🏾

[@aaroneasy658]

You haven’t been listening to joes podcast if you think barstool would even bother sending him an offer lol

[@luelahassan1478]

this is honestly my fave podcast

[@nickyrozay6163]

Luela Hassan Big facts !

[@TheSuperdagga1]

Double down is good too

[@nickyrozay6163]

Jay Brown will have to check that out or on a different vibe #nobehaviourpocast is sick

[@luelahassan1478]

@@TheSuperdagga1 I’ll check that out!

[@luelahassan1478]

@@nickyrozay6163 I’ll check this out too

[@JenJenB]

JB actually said, they were taking their podcast equipment with them. So there was no fear of not delivering a live podcast during the holidays

[@BThatDope]

Did I just find a podcast with cool dudes who actually get it and know what they’re talking about

[@jay_owusu3543]

Nah Poet sitting on the chair legs up playing with his hair like that, last week it was the headscarf....man is trying to tell us something, mark my words.

[@lswindley3451]

Chuckie where did you get that Tshirt from

[@shuksmayow5205]

Capsule Collection

[@lswindley3451]

@@shuksmayow5205 calm. Thank you

[@mrndlprsnr]

did buddens lawyers do a scalable points type deal when they signed with spotify where the money changes? it worked for shaggy

[@Story_and_Her]

I think Poet hit the nail on the head as to why Diddy is holding onto Mase’s masters 💯🔥

[@TrvisXXIII]

Great dissection of the episode, I could only follow what Joe was talking about in pieces because he speaks in code and riddles sometimes. Thanks guys

[@sobekpl9479]

He explained everything word for word lol what riddles fam

[@TrvisXXIII]

Sobekpl he doesn’t speak directly is what I’m saying. He makes reference to a lot of things without explaining what he’s referring to, like people, different events, etc

[@amackemspeaks2284]

not usually a fan but poet was on game here

[@cartmanowski2]

Poet you can't chat about world want to see Joe Buddens fight Migos more than Elon Musk smoking weed on JRE. Allow it plz

[@DuaneFLWharton]

Booommm.... the realist comment. Spotify now have Joe Rogan and the Obamas, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

[@Mr1982bigman]

Facts. I was thinking similar looool.

[@JonathanMutsinzi1998]

Youth/pop culture is more valuable

[@cartmanowski2]

@@JonathanMutsinzi1998 Valuable how? youth/pop culture is just that. Popular. And whats popular today, will not be popular tomorrow.

[@Mr1982bigman]

@@cartmanowski2 that goes for urban culture too then. It won't always be popular well not this version anyway

[@BassRapPaz]

You have to be called Joe to have a top podcast

[@mylifeisadotmov7680]

Poets Heating Up!!!! lol "I'm Bored Big Man" Talk that Talk!

[@tuntunwarrior1445]

This is why you have to love poet, even after the miles situation 😂 true legend

[@dillonepowell]

Could it be that for the same logics 50 Harare’s to in not letting anything slide I. Order to set and maintains certain order, could it be that that’s why didn’t won’t release the lox masters? Maybe it’s a case where if I let that go then everyone will want their masters too and at that point little by little the empire crashes?? Just a thought.

[@johncadaverous1492]

Puff gave Mase 2M when he said he was making a come back promised to do a album which he never did, but kept the 2M. lol

[@nysfinest5638]

Where is Poet from? I would really like to know. He so rarely mentions it. /s

[@sdotlondonkid]

21:48 - When I charge I charge money, brother. I've always preferred the word 'charge' to 'earn'.

[@dluena]

How come I don’t know this podcast? 👌🏾👌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

Correct or correct?...It's absolutely imperative that you know your worth so people and or organizations don't try and devalue you. Go where you know your worth will be appreciated especially as it continues to increase.

[@MagikCode]

that shirt is cold where the hell did you get it

[@nomoregoodlife1255]

having your main thing (in this case joe's podcast) being your lowest earner is a great formula for honesty. Telling the truth will eventually hurt someone, expressing how you feel honestly, will eventually hurt someone. These edges are trimmed away by the flows of money. low money? low flow, stay edgy and true to yourself kinda like star i suppose

[@wilseph1]

Offering used Rolex's was wild!

[@afribean]

Dope discussions

[@seussxtrilogy6591]

Big up from manny. All other podcasts are selling out, this might be my new regular

[@Debonair73]

@Ewarton Charlton you got all of this all wrong. Joe signed a 2 year deal with Spotify for a respectful amount of money for the market in podcasting in 2018 to become a Spotify exclusive. Spotify also signed Amy Schumer, celebrity comedian, as part of Spotify entering the podcasting market. Joe made the deal more for the data and to learn how a distributor like Spotify does business. Amy Schumer was suppose to be the big draw but she flopped and Joe Budden Podcast(JBP) out perform all expectations upon the launch with the first podcast even causing Spotify backend for podcasts to crash. Few months in, Spotify come to JBP with ads, It's like 150k over 8 episodes, Joe say NO because Joe getting 1.5 million for the 8 episode of his show the Pull Up and that much for his role on Love and HIpHop. So why he going to devalue himself and his brand for 18K an episode for JBP. With the success of JBP after a few months, it's basically proved Spotify business decision to enter the podcasting market. So Spotify starts buying podcasting companies. First Gimlet for 250 million and then Paracast. In June 2019, Spotify, 8 months into the original JBP contract offered another contract for more money but not just for the Joe Budden Podcast, but for JBP and every other media product Joe Budden and his team had produced and will produce in the future. Basically a 360 deal. Joe said the offer was 8 figures, which means at least $10 million and up. Joe said NO to that deal. Joe said Spotify didn't seem to like that but told Joe they will leave the deal here if he were to reconsider later. September 2019, one year into JBP deal, it's bonus time. JBP has been #1 for a year on the platform. Even after they purchase Gimlet and Paracast with thousands of podcasts added to the service. JBP has beat all expectations but some how they don't meet the numbers to get their $500K bonus. Joe ask why and they come with some bullshit about you didn't met the streaming numbers, you got this type stream but not this type stream type bullshit. Joe asked about his promo code that people use to signed up to Spotify with his code and they say they got hacked. Joe is pissed but he like I see what you niggas are about now. December 2019, Christmas, JBP chilling doing their thing and the team want some vacation time. They put in for 2 weeks off Spotify says no. JBP pre-record and take their time. The point of Joe saying this in the podcast is first Spotify couldn't afford for them to missed two podcasts at the end of the quarter cause some executives wasn't going to hit his number and secondly to show how they treat creators that are kicking ass for them. Spotify also offer to buy them watches. Joe and the team sent them a bill for like 200K for some watches and Spotify like that's too much and JBP sent back the prices for used watches, Spotify said too much. JBP sent back a price for a European location podcast special. Spotify said too much. Joe said ok less give money to the fans then Spotify said naw. Joe like I didn't ask you motherfuckers for none of this shit, you offered. Bet, I see what you niggas are about now. January 2020 - March 2020, Spotify buys The Ringer, Bill Simmons podcasting/media company, for 200 million, Joe thinks a big payday might be on the way. Covid Pandemic hits and Joe''s dad is sick and he thinks he might die. JBP stops recording but a few weeks later Spotify calls ask them when they coming back. Thus still showing they can't afford for the JBP to be off air or somebody is not going to hit their numbers. They even get Bill Simmons to call to tell JBP how they can record from home. April 2020 - Sept 2020, Joe think a big payday might be coming. Spotify basically still offering the deal from June 2019. Spotify feel JBP has peaked, Joe says we haven't peaked Spotify is 10% of the podcasting market. Spotify wants to insert ads into JBP back catalog. Joe says No. July 2020 Spotify signs Joe Rogan Podcast for 100 million+ deal. For those that don't know, Joe Rogan is the biggest podcast in the world does about 10 times what the #2 podcast in the world does in numbers. He is the top of the market. Joe Budden basically did this episode of the podcast to basically tell other POC podcasters this is how Spotify does business with somebody that brought them 100 million+ minimum in revenues. You can rock with it or not but don't say nobody told you. 100 million revenues over 2 years could mean Joe brought 500K - 600K premium subs to Spotify paying between $4.99-$9.99 who stayed for 2 years. Joe decided to launch JBP on as many platforms as his can and I'm assuming JBP will build out his own sales team when the Spotify deal is over by Sept 23, 2020. Joe Budden basically wants to control his IP and wants to participate in all revenue streams that his IP generates. He basically looking for a deal that allows him to do that regardless if they offer him a shit ton of money for that to not be the case.

[@teaaa8339]

Notification popping up when I'm already watching

[@keevancrawford6708]

He has a point, in movies, the producer would make more than a writer. Likely makes more than the actor. I’m imagining Puff was a producer and “director” of the show.

[@bxlegenddeemoney6056]

This was excellent

[@trentrama2645]

his technically number 1 outside npr and the new york times

[@jamal1079]

How do Spotify make money from Joe Budden if the Joe Budden Podcast has no ads? You can listen to Spotify for free it seems like Spotify are hoping Joe Budden fans will sign up for Spotify. It makes sense why they are doing what there doing. Joe Budden doesn’t make Spotify money

[@JJ-ez3zs]

They did the deal to get a better understanding of doing a podcast deal. Thats why they took the short deal.