Hi everyone:) i did another joe goldberg edit with s2 in case you want to check it out,would mean a lot for me having your feedback on that❤ thanks for watching:)
@Caroline-zj2bj6 жыл бұрын
"There's not a line in the world that I wouldn't cross for you" this phrase show how insane he is thinking that he is right
@ernesto.carloz3 жыл бұрын
100%
@NayGemini Жыл бұрын
Even the expression on his face when he says that showed how batshit insane he really is.
@lilygraybaird6 жыл бұрын
Very good actor, but the book just goes deeper into his character. Every word, every way he describes her is chilling. He seems so calm when writing the fact that he never stalks her, that its a "necessity" to watch her. He never finds what he's doing to be creepy, but he does understand how others can. Idk. I'm almost done with the book but I have to take breaks because the amount of insanity that comes out in words are just too much for me sometimes. Sometimes it gets me emotional that he's that broken and psychotic, and he isn't even aware of it.
@gleikasantos89196 жыл бұрын
wait, omg there's a book ?????
@lilygraybaird6 жыл бұрын
@@gleikasantos8919 You by Caroline Kepnes
@Cj21146 жыл бұрын
I'm french, so idk if i have all understand, but there is a book on the serie ?
@denamariedance59805 жыл бұрын
I ordered the book after I finished the 3rd episode. It's not here yet!
@lola-yn5yn5 жыл бұрын
The fact that people don’t even know that this brilliant book even exists speaks volumes about our society, the book is so much better and Netflix has to go and fuck it all up and change the original story, so much was missing it’s actually frustrating
@nanachiiss6 жыл бұрын
he's attractive tho
@shay23965 жыл бұрын
ikr
@botelladeagua61614 жыл бұрын
//ggukie. No, he is not.
@scarlett52634 жыл бұрын
fuck off that’s your opinion
@tiffanycasalinie90974 жыл бұрын
Literally🥵🥵🥵
@mcastro154 жыл бұрын
The actor I suppose but your not talking about personality hot right...? :/
@misterclean75706 жыл бұрын
He's a manipulative psychopath, who's trying to find and cope the lack of love he got as a child in relationship love. He obviously will never find that exact type of love, since they are two very different type of loving. His therapist even says that he is a person who is waiting to be loved. He will keep on killing, because he will never ever be able to replace the lack of care he had as a child. He plays his role in the relationship, and will do anything to keep this relationship going, because that is a substitute, of his missing childhood, and he won't let anything get in the way of that. Just my take on things. :)
@angelcyte_76476 жыл бұрын
chill
@callumskorma22486 жыл бұрын
Mister clean damn is that for school
@misterclean75706 жыл бұрын
@@angelcyte_7647 sorry I turned you off.
@LaurianeBL6 жыл бұрын
Psychopath are mentally ill people. It has nothing to do with lacking love or not. If they are given a treatment psychopaths can be harmless...
@ravren34135 жыл бұрын
*sociopath
@makomabudni72005 жыл бұрын
"Love isn't a strong enough word.. Sometimes it scares me - to love someone so completely and not have them love you back." That hit right in the feels.
@eleenee14715 жыл бұрын
lmao all the people in the comments are like "I'm so worried people are sympathizing with him". So many people sympathizing and liking joe just proves that show portrayed a "perfect" type psychopath - a manipulative, crazy person who can make you feel bad for him even tho you know he's done so many bad things. It's as if joe manipulates the audience, not other characters and tbh props to the actor for playing such complex, layered and interesting (not in a good way) character so perfectly.
@deontewilliams5504 жыл бұрын
He’s sociopathic but he’s not a psychopath or sociopath
@ryanthereaper5032 Жыл бұрын
It's not the sympathy I get that everyone can understand what he went through it's romanticizing him that's weied
@ZamiraC5 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for joe😭😭 his parents made him like this
@daniellelove97634 жыл бұрын
And Mr. Mooney 😭
@Hi-gg8rp3 жыл бұрын
ok but that's no excuse for his actions..
@mooonjoooo3 жыл бұрын
and candace :(
@Hi-gg8rp3 жыл бұрын
@@mooonjoooo i mean he tried to kill her.
@mooonjoooo3 жыл бұрын
@@Hi-gg8rp ik that’s not the point, she caused him pain by telling him that she never loved him and by cheating on him
@TysKurosaki6 жыл бұрын
Joe was blind by what he felt for Beck. His love, his way of loving, his concept of love was subliminal. He didn’t deserve Beck. Beck was just like Peach and Benji; ordinary, empty and selfish. Great amv btw👏🏼👏🏼 keep it up!!
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Yeah Joe's character is really complicated and it's really hard for most people to understand his reasons and think the only person who can love joe in the way that he desrves is only someone who's complicated like him anyways thanks for watching I'm glad you like the video:)
@neegas34906 жыл бұрын
Not really, joe never loved beck he loved the idea of beck. And because he turns into a psychopathic murderer who breaks into womens home and sniffs their underwear.
@heavyhandedheart7776 жыл бұрын
nothing about joes character is 'complicated'. he was just a psychopath who was incapable of actual love and couldnt differentiate between love and obsession. psychopaths arent capable of love. he was the empty and selfish one here. theres nothing more or less to joes character than to the fact that he was a psychopath and its because the show is from his point of view that people tend to think his thought process was subject to analysis, but there is nothing different about joe than most psychopaths like him.
@arpitgaur70775 жыл бұрын
@@heavyhandedheart777 I think you are wrong Joe helped paco and elle Joe become like this because of his past and the fact Candace cheated on him broke him he did care for Beck he was blind and crazy for her and Beck cheated on her made him a monster i know what he has done is wrong but if Joe is wrong so is his father and the old men who took him in , Candace , Beck all made him this way
@heavyhandedheart7775 жыл бұрын
@@arpitgaur7077 youre big gay
@hollyschulz93326 жыл бұрын
its alarming how many people are romanticising this character.
@neegas34906 жыл бұрын
If we're being honest i mean the guys a creep 💁
@antifeminazismachirulo96266 жыл бұрын
Stfu feminazi
@cd-cdm6 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@whorablebehavior59576 жыл бұрын
well he’s not real so it doesn’t matter . of course we wouldn’t keep the same energy if it was real lol . or at least most of us
@witchf4ce3106 жыл бұрын
Holly Schulz how is this video romanticizing Joe? It’s goes deeper into his character and how messed up he is and shows different sides to him. Because no one’s just born evil, they become it
@NinaOnTheRun1236 жыл бұрын
Really great edit. I found it so weird that I had so much sympathy and empathy with Joe, even though he did horrible things. I think it's a great move from the directors to let Joe tell us his story. Everything he does, he does for love - but what he does is more than wrong. Really twistet character. If you do another edit, listen to the song: I'll be good from Jaymes Young. The lyrics fit so perfectly on Joe's character and mindset. ... My past has tasted bitter for years now So I wield an iron fist Grace is just weakness Or so I've been told I've been cold, I've been merciless But the blood on my hands scares me to death Maybe I'm waking up today I'll be good, I'll be good And I'll love the world, like I should I'll be good, I'll be good For all of the light that I shut out For all of the innocent things that I doubt For all of the bruises I've caused and the tears For all of the things that I've done all these years Yeah, for all of the sparks that I've stomped out For all of the perfect things that I doubt ...
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
thanks i'm glad you liked the video
@gabdotcom75996 жыл бұрын
it's easy to sympathise and empathise with Joe because he's such an unreliable narrator, making other people look just as bad as him, victimising himself sometimes. that's what sociopaths are good at, they manipulate and make you feel for them. it's twisted and complex but super interesting
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
@@gabdotcom7599 totally agree with you i also think Penn Badgley performance was spectacular in my opinion :)
@gabdotcom75996 жыл бұрын
@@VideoLudixXperience so so good! he captured the complexity perfectly. amazing video btw
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
@@gabdotcom7599 thanks ❤
@rosealzeir56686 жыл бұрын
Idk why but he gives me Ezra Fitz vibes
@luizafagundes12495 жыл бұрын
YES
@milenafarias45885 жыл бұрын
still thinks Ezra should have been -A
@shay23965 жыл бұрын
I thought the same exact thing. Especially seeing him next to Shay Mitchell (peach)
@svetxo4 жыл бұрын
YES!!!
@daniellelove97634 жыл бұрын
YES
@pepsicola07864 жыл бұрын
The only edit that has made me cry.. perfect song especially at the end when he talks about how much heartbreak he's feeling
@erroreden6 жыл бұрын
This is so well done omg 💓 - and to touch on people romanticizing him, the bad guy is often played by someone physically attractive ie: Evan Peters or Cody Fern in AHS, and Penn himself is really good looking imo so I think that makes it easier for people to over look how problematic his character really is
@eveaudrey96626 жыл бұрын
y’all saying it’s messed up to romanticise Joe but everyone did the same to Dexter and no one cared 💀🤷🏼♂️
@astanley976 жыл бұрын
Bleach co. To be fair dexter killed other killers n perverts
@eveaudrey96626 жыл бұрын
yeah but morally and legally it’s still wrong to kill people for justice
@whorablebehavior59576 жыл бұрын
Bleach co. chaotic good is still good to me in my head lmfao
@eveaudrey96626 жыл бұрын
Loki Friggason clearly I meant psychopaths and sociopaths in general, I thought that was implied but go off 💀
@idontlikeyoulol165 жыл бұрын
Bleach co. he isn’t a psychopath/sociopath though.
@mcastro155 жыл бұрын
Fantastical job!!! This shows what a person could do just to get love, I don’t think joe is a psychopath, he’s a good guy, a good person, he just took the wrong path, the wrong way and the wrong decisions, his love obsession took him over the edge and made him the murderer we see, unfortunately beck dies but as we see in the end, he feels bad about it, he killed the person he loves and he feels guilty, he’s a good person, but he went to far to get love and just like Icarus, he flew to close to the sun and burned down
@VideoLudixXperience5 жыл бұрын
I like the way you see it, too many people jump to conclusions but i think joe is an amazing character and probably not like everyone else thats why so many people disagree with his reasons
@aB-oo4bu6 жыл бұрын
I personally think that Joe is made to be a complex tragic hero. On one hand he is a charming and unique individual who is capable of intensely loving someone. And I really admire that. However, as we've seen throughout the show, he shows all these psychopathic tendencies. His tragic flaw is really just his tragic backstory, which I think is used by the director to help the audience sympathise and understand the reasons as to why he behaves this way. Overall, he is perhaps more of an antihero than a tragic hero. At the end of the day, I thoroughly enjoyed delving into Joe's mind, as well as the plot (minus the Peach plot, because it seemed too Riverdale season 2ish for my liking).
@amarawoolery84043 жыл бұрын
This is the absolute BEST edit I have ever seen in my life. The scenes, the voiceover, the song... Everything flows perfectly, and pulls at your heart the entire time.
@abhishekgupta57765 жыл бұрын
0:37 made me hit the wall how can she say that to his face
@bheatrizdacunha5456 жыл бұрын
He is crazy but the way he felt with love is totally me haha. "There 's no line in the world that i wouldn't cross for you" ♥
@makomabudni72005 жыл бұрын
Same haha
@axelpettersson14825 жыл бұрын
Joe one of my favorite protagonist
@vaniavillalon59396 жыл бұрын
Ugh, please do a video of Joe with the song Serial Killer by Lana del Rey. It fits perfectly 🤯
@xIndiefreedom6 жыл бұрын
i'm in love with all your edits about this show
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much❤
@michellexo22556 жыл бұрын
Omg I'm obsessed please make more from You x
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it:) ill definitely do more in the future ❤
@Nightbringer-du5li Жыл бұрын
Bro you're legend.. this is the best Edit i've ever seen..
@najapopovic2965 жыл бұрын
omfggg this is literally the best editt i’ve seen🥰
@blcssom45685 жыл бұрын
am i the only one that gets chills when a sad songs comes on
@urlittlewindmill5 жыл бұрын
I hate how when I was watching it I was rooting for him 😭
@bebom39045 жыл бұрын
feel so sorry for Joe I know I shouldn’t but there is sweet something about him 😿💔
@tur.designer6 жыл бұрын
Omg this’s so good and you’re so talented I love you showed us the story of his side 😭😭 I feel so bad for watching this late ☹️ you defiantly have my subscribe
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thanks:) means a lot❤
@sloandive4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best edit I've seen
@pepsicola07864 жыл бұрын
All the romantising a stalker/ criminal stuff aside. Some of us acknowledge that. We get it. He is bad. But you feel bad for Joe too. The fact that he's the man he is. What he has to do to feel close to someone. To feel their love. To love them. All he wants is to be love and protect the person he loves. Unfortunately his past trauma and the way he was raised made his mental state this way. He has issues. For his issues, I feel bad for him. He unknowingly suffers by his own hands.
@lemmeursv24034 жыл бұрын
i don't care he killed these people, joe goldberg is the most precious human alive and i love him with all my heart
@Hi-gg8rp4 жыл бұрын
um, he's a stalker. The intention of the show isn't to make you love him it's to make you realize the creepiness of our society
@rebelgirl55734 жыл бұрын
I am so in love with the idea of Joe. 💕
@camigiro5 жыл бұрын
If you do a Love and Joe edit , would love to watch that
@mgtl1006 жыл бұрын
This video is so great. I enjoy the show a lot but I just found Joe really creepy. His whole mindset about love made me uncomfortable. I know he thinks he was doing things for Beck's welfare but he's really twisted. He is manipulative and tried to control the situation in his favor. He tried to be a perfect boyfriend and isolated Beck from a lot of people to the point he even murdered a few people in her life. He didn't think about Beck's feelings or that he should have given her space or room to grow for herself. He made Beck the center of his life when he should also think about his own. Though normally other people wouldn't really bother that much with the story since Beck also had a lot of flaws in their relationship including her cheating with her therapist. I guess both of them aren't just healthy for one another. I'm glad the other girl got away.
@furkanmangr23963 жыл бұрын
MASTERPIECE
@SukeveClips4 жыл бұрын
Lovely edit xx
@aaabbb-zd6oz6 жыл бұрын
Omg Billie Eilish music and Joe/you edits this is the best thing😆😍😍🖤
@jokesreactor48325 жыл бұрын
Amazing editing!!!!
@kaylaunaprice72974 жыл бұрын
OMG this is soooooo good
@pasandoeltiempo82845 жыл бұрын
excellent work 🖤😭
@makeoutshifter504 жыл бұрын
Why do people hate on joe but never see anything wrong with love or peach
@JOJO-sn5zo4 жыл бұрын
Peach is a manipulative bitch fuck her.
@thatguy-ug9gx5 жыл бұрын
Bruh i have sympathy foe joe cause of his childhood and how it made him who he is today and how he justifies everything he does for love when all he wants is a happy family because he never had one
@notranquility42234 жыл бұрын
Ok y'all..... Sociopath=Made, Psychopath=Born. Joe Goldberg had a bad childhood, and although not strongly, he can feel empathy to a point. In season 1, he gives Paco the food he just bought and then he is shown eating a canned food once inside his apartment. Next we see him helping Ellie in season 2, he feels she deserves a parental figure and even becomes one for a while. If it hadn't been for Ellie, Joe would not have thought twice about killing Delilah. All in all, Joe does get empathy points, as well as his very obvious knowledge to differentiate right from wrong. Psychopaths only care about what benefits them, so they do have a form of empathy, or 'perceptive taking' as it were. Joe does manipulate frequently, most often to get what he wants, but when it comes to kids, there is no doubting that his ability to feel empathy goes beyond the cognitive point. And logically speaking, he is a tv character without any real diagnosis(And even in real life couldn't get one because psychopathy isn't a diagnosis.) In a way, Joe relates to psychopaths, sociopaths and codependency. Hell, even multiple personalities. And the script of the show presents him in a way that we could never 100 percent say. Penn Badgley thinks his character is a sociopath, though. I must say though, this is a very interesting debate and I would look to hear the opinion of the writer.
@sossiprox6 жыл бұрын
I LOVE IT 😫
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@jackieasc6 жыл бұрын
i have mixed feelings with that ending :(:
@bundobee6 жыл бұрын
nicely made. I love it.
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thank you:)
@Daphineholland6 жыл бұрын
I love these Joe videos!!! 😍😍😍😭😭😭😭
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thanks im glad you liked it:)
@Daphineholland6 жыл бұрын
VideoLudix Xp yw I finished the series’s recently I have nothing but love for these videos and the fans capturing the beaut pain toxiciness and suffering from this amazing show good job :)
@milenafarias45885 жыл бұрын
are you out of you're mind??
@isidoraflores81574 жыл бұрын
the sad part is that he is not a bad person, but he is sick, mentally ill, he is not normal but he is not a bad person, cause a bad person does things knowing that they are bad, he trully thinks that what he is doing is okey, he does not deserve to die or go to jail, he need to go to a mental institucion cause he is obviously not okey
@geckotheneko5 жыл бұрын
You and Hidden Bodies are the best books and I love Joe Goldberg's character! Even if yes, he is crazy and he doesn't realize that.
@shree41806 жыл бұрын
Oh love ur edits..u stole hearts ..who love the songs too..#joeandbeck
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching ❤
@byleraddictionz15485 жыл бұрын
i think half of the people that watched this show didn’t actually got why he was a “psycho”. He was threatened brutally and that’s exactly how he grew up, i mean they showed us in the flashbacks and he also told that to Paco. He wasn’t a psycho. He didn’t want to do those things. That’s what he learned to do while growing up and he got used to it, thinking it was normal. He loved Beck. He actually did.
@gee25415 жыл бұрын
Loving someone doesn’t excuse literally murdering them?? He killed multiple people and he always tried to change the women he loved into people they weren’t so that they could fulfill his crazy romantic fantasy. This type of dialogue is dangerous because it allows people to excuse delusional guys like this with the same mindset.
@Diana729103 жыл бұрын
@@gee2541 no shit dude, shut up. The commenter didn’t say it’s an excuse, it’s just explaining why he was like this. It’s a show, chill
@gee25413 жыл бұрын
@@Diana72910 I wrote this a year ago and telling people to shut up isn’t exactly indicative of a mature and calm mindset so perhaps you should take your own advice. also no way it’s a show?! I would have never thought about that! 😆 Obviously it’s a show. Doesn’t change the fact that someone’s personal trauma/upbringing doesn’t give them a pass to harm other people. Media can start important dialogue and conversations for real world issues so not sure why you’re getting so angry about it.
@womenblake89036 жыл бұрын
LOVE THIS SM
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much ❤
@byleraddictionz15485 жыл бұрын
i hate how people never got the fact that he loved beck with his whole soul. people actually think he’s a psycho because he wanted to-
@youramoronbro51173 жыл бұрын
Bro
@kaede_242 жыл бұрын
Yeah you didn't understand the show
@phoebecallaghan83726 жыл бұрын
If you’re making any more Joe edits, I would recommend using the song Away from me by Chinah, reminds me of him so much 🥀
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Ok thanks ❤ I'll keep that in mind:)
@cherryred59325 жыл бұрын
'some people are built for love' **shows Ethan and Blythe** me:boiii
@lilalee87585 жыл бұрын
The hottest man alive periodt
@kbear18185 жыл бұрын
It's scary how much I feel like I relate to Joe.. he's one of my most favorite characters cause I feel like I can connect to him and relate to him more than anyone else.
@denjerwtinabalw92645 жыл бұрын
I know it’s bad to sympathize him, but I can’t see him as a horrible person. He is just ill. Mentally ill. He can’t think sensibly. I actually feel sorry for him because I think it is his mental illness driving him to do these things. If he was fine, he would be an amazing person. He is trying so hard to beat his demons, but it’s impossible when he can’t recognize them coming out..
@ziggyz48925 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic edit! Thoroughly enjoyed thanks! BTW. My opinion? People are diverse. A collection of memories, experiences and genetics that all play a part in their world view. It's why there's over 7 billion of us on this planet and somehow we all have our own identity. It doesn't matter that the show is about a sociopath serial killer or some aspiring writer. The show is great because it gives us a look inside the mind of someone on the far end of the human spectrum. Ever person's story is unique. I love this story because of that. You reading this right now have your own story to tell. Maybe it's a good one or one of sadness and loss. Whatever your story, it's worth knowing. Perspective is everything, that's what "You" does so well.
@jo-zt7mo6 жыл бұрын
wow i love this, good job
@Bpena44046 жыл бұрын
Who is joe? I only know Dan Humphrey
@fanishila31345 жыл бұрын
Exijo un edit así de genial con la canción de "Serial Killer" de Lana del Rey de fondo :)
@garlicbread7129 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never related so much to someone in my life ,
@nadiahundredacrewoods5 жыл бұрын
okay but his childhood excuses his actions just a little :/
@BilliesBestie76 Жыл бұрын
If he wasn't a murderer ✨️✨️
@danielasousa83735 жыл бұрын
PRETTY!!🤩🤩🤩🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍
@elizavidz77216 жыл бұрын
i love this wow
@thevanitavsingh Жыл бұрын
The dialogues are to be blamed as they are so gorgeous and they paint love ❤with the most vivacious colors.
@Jadeeeintheworld5 жыл бұрын
mi serie favorita :3
@Crimson199773 жыл бұрын
“Only one thing good in my life right now is therapy” that’s where I know she cheated on joe. Goddamn.
@braedenlemastersbae5283 жыл бұрын
is it bad that i understand him like he’s wrong but he has the spirit..
@PredatorChin6 жыл бұрын
What is the red car he drives? What make is it?
@23.5joshdun36 жыл бұрын
I love the character because of how Penn portrayed him. I love complicated characters. It’s captivating. I like weird shows, what can I say, actors are hot, psychopaths are not.
@denamariedance59805 жыл бұрын
I think a "you" video with the song, "song seven" by Interpol would be sort of epic.
@duhaabdel5 жыл бұрын
From which episode is the first scene?
@logolessscenes5314 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me what episode the voiceover at 2:00 is from please
@roseanneelliott3817 Жыл бұрын
I believe out of all his relationships, he really loved Beck in his own crazy way.
@womenblake89036 жыл бұрын
LOVE HIM ❤️
@justanotherteenager014 жыл бұрын
Joe isn't phyco , he's just a man so lost and desperate to find the perfect love that he read in books as a child . So he'll do anything to get it , A perfect romantic story....
@m.xnniee6 жыл бұрын
lovely edit! just wondering, do you happen to have a scene pack for Joe?
@VideoLudixXperience6 жыл бұрын
Thanks glad you liked it:) and no sadly i dont have it the scenes that i pick are picked manually
@vntalgic5 жыл бұрын
where did you got the sad scenes
@CertifiedAsn4 жыл бұрын
1:25 hit
@milky43516 жыл бұрын
his smile
@may79204 жыл бұрын
psychopathic tv show but so nice
@jeffersontheodorus76805 жыл бұрын
please do an edit of Joe Goldberg with "dangerous" by Big data and joywave xx
@alina98435 жыл бұрын
is everyone in here okayy??
@inbreathetroublemaker61835 жыл бұрын
Where did you take scene from?)
@nicoledacosta06125 жыл бұрын
What did you use to edit?!?!
@mustafakara5795 жыл бұрын
He is a sociopath but I cannot hate him. He just love and trying to take her. If you love deeply someone or something you can't feel your backwards this his why he has done.
@smoothliqour5 жыл бұрын
I may or may not be in love with him
@jahmiralexander1574 жыл бұрын
If you think about it him and Clay Jensen are the same person minus the doing whatever it takes to keep the girl👀👀
@laylagrier82515 жыл бұрын
Honestly, when the season ended, I was torn between two kinds of Joe. Either he was a man who had bad luck in relationships and just wanted a good one with no problems, no reminders of past relationships, no bs. Or he was a manipulative psychotic man who would stop at nothing in the end for the one he loved. I think that he’s both but, what he did was just... upsetting
@randomsambero5 жыл бұрын
Joe as a character is a terrible abusive psychopath who needs to be stopped but the actor who plays him ? 😜🤤👀
@dexplays32984 жыл бұрын
He's not abusive, he's a overprotective psychopath.
@randomsambero4 жыл бұрын
DexPlays he murdered several people to get close to a woman, manipulated her and then murdered her sounds like abuse to me
@saymasamira88274 жыл бұрын
There are some good things about Joe in the show but the book is the opposite, the creepiest....
@sg_15415 жыл бұрын
Joe reminds me so much of Norman bates from phycho..... 🤔🤔🤔🤔