Joe & Mac - BOSSES COMPARISON // Mega Drive - Genesis (1991) vs. Remake (2022)

[@AmbroseSimpson]

I'll say what anyone else who stumbles across this vid is probably thinking......'there was a 2022 remake of Joe & Mac?'

[@nononame26]

Exactly

[@headbangermaniac]

Yes 😮

[@tfchen4350]

true.

[@mr.cantillasz1912]

Yep

[@eng3d]

Yes and it looks like flash

[@iboofer]

I think the big problem with the artstyle of the remake is it reminds me of an advertisement for something like Gardenscapes or Hero Wars. It's got a lot of personality, but at the same time feels sort of empty, like something intentionally off enough to frustrate you into trying the "actual" game.

[@sepulcher8263]

Agreed.

[@1mingameplay75]

I was thinking in something like this, bro. I was like: "There is something wrong... it is like souless"

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Crappy tween animation and the colors are off.

[@Tue_]

It reminds me more of the recent Rayman games. It just doesnt fit in this case.

[@Kevin-sh6xh]

What system is the remake on

[@nadasei_mesmo]

The aesthetics of the pixel art is so far better than the new look.

[@santiagoarrieta2175]

Yes in general, with the exception of the Bosses , I think they look better with the exception of the carnivore plant (the of look better and menacing) and the skeleton T Rex.

[@2c2bpolitics-ce-gate3-4]

6:20 The exception might arguably be the brachiosaur boss.

[@DecoytheSkeletalBoy]

It's because the original game looked great for its time using what resources they had. The new one, while technically superior in looks cheap and janky in a time where technology could allow this to look like a seamless cartoon, ala Cuphead. We can immediately recognize the shortcomings of better technology and what necessities were born out of yesterday's limitations.

[@Dreadjaws]

I'm not a fan of the art style of the remake, but I'll give it props for properly designing the bosses so they look good with large sprites and they all look quite unique. Granted, the remake doesn't have to deal with the limitations of the old hardware, but still. Also, the Mammoth gradually losing pieces never made much sense to me, so I'm glad they didn't try to replicate that. It would have been better if the animations didn't look so cheap, though.

[@baalfgames5318]

Especially the trunk ripping off.

[@Zeffarian]

Nah, even the bosses aren't great. Look at the pterosaur's one wing that's green. What's going on there? Looking at the wing tip, it looks like there's a properly colored wing on a layer below it. It's sloppy.

[@baalfgames5318]

@@Zeffarian wow! You're right! It makes sense for the wing to be green when he's swooping forward, but when flapping, it creates an uncanny perspective that looks severely unnatural.

[@maskedmoleproductions2684]

I disagree about the mammoth. The battle looks much more intense and awesome in the original with the trunk ripping off halfway. You can just feel the pain of the mammoth when that happens. The trunk ripping off right when it dies doesn't make much sense to me. Why would it rip off at that exact moment? Animals can definitely be maimed and injured during a fight so I'm not sure what you were getting at.

[@baalfgames5318]

@@maskedmoleproductions2684 @MaskedMoleProductions It makes me feel like the villain to have to rip the poor thing's trunk off, especially since it's only protecting its territory, and only has to be killed because the badguys put a woman next to it.

[@almeidalopes]

Interesting how Cronenberg's body horror influenced everything in early 90s, even a prehistoric video game, as can be seen on last level.

[@فوز-ض4ب]

Nice animation for the remake but I’d go with the classic/ it has way more charm and aesthetically pleasing ❤

[@parrishharris3008]

That's a fact ✌

[@stemar7x]

Yes! 👏👏👏 I play it whit MAME 🔝

[@turkey4802]

I’ve never heard of both games, but if they made the colors more vibrant I’d definitely like it more.

[@parrishharris3008]

The 1st game is exactly how you just described it looking better.

[@spacepantsgames8475]

I programmed the bosses for the Genesis version (also title and credits screens, etc.) I don't remember there being so many of them! It was certainly a bit of a rush job.

[@1mingameplay75]

Really, buddy? That's awesome! So I need to thank you for the good memories your job gave me. I love the Genesis version.

[@dukkemonterier3429]

Really nice if true. Thanks for it.

[@taco1010]

so wierd how the internet can allow me to interact with the guy who programmed a game i played as a kid. The genesis one is the better version!

[@spacepantsgames8475]

I don't remember much about it other than a lot of late nights, and modifying the behaviour of the plant monsters arms to reduce sprite flicker.

[@TheDevilockedzombie]

Yeah dude we ALLLL believe you lol. I know you tricked these low IQ dudes but you cant pull a fast one on me.

[@djmocha7]

I’ll give the remake workers props for their attention to detail. It’s cool that they actually show more of the boss on screen. Also, I never thought the next final boss was a giant snake; it looked like a t-rex with a long neck in the original. I still prefer that version, but the update gave a decent effort

[@aernrom7169]

Nose nose jaja

[@-.DIO.-]

I prefer the new version of that boss. The 1st boss's head stapled on some balls bugged me out as a kid.

[@cdsworkshop2855]

I never saw that boss as a snake either. It literally looks like the skeleton boss just now it has skin, so I always figured that's what it was. I didn't question how or why, since games in those early days didn't tend to follow coherent plots or logic.

[@oatmeal3013]

well it *is* a titanoboa. you know, titanic boa. giant snake.

[@djmocha7]

Yeah, but 8 year old DJ didn’t know that. 39 year old me is still learning new things

[@ShinySalazzle]

The retro one looks better. I’m sorry.

[@ironhell813]

I agree, but that’s what happens when you hire the wrong remakers….

[@chadgorosaurus4898]

That mammoth losing its trunk in the original was uncanny. The remake makes it less cursed.

[@jehadalkourdy5226]

The new one is more cursed

[@PoloRossi]

​​@@jehadalkourdy5226imagine if anything that died just fell apart, like you just collapse from a heart stroke and bam, all your limbs fall off. That's what the remake looks like to me lol.

[@ChildrenShowArchive456]

This remake would be more interesting if the SNES exclusive boss which is a demon was a secret boss.

[@Templarofsteel88]

I did not know you could charge up the weapons, was that in the snes version too?

[@shadejakva9367]

I'd have loved that. He was actually a fun and intense final boss who did a great job keeping you moving(not to mention where he fakes you out and his fight's actually TWO rounds!) and I was hoping we'd see him. Would have been cool for a secret boss, yeah.

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Yea that boss was really un nerving.

[@ChildrenShowArchive456]

@@Templarofsteel88 no.

[@BadBoyBobby85]

I didn't even know this was a Sega game. Only played the SNES before the remake. Hadn't gotten that far yet , now I'm bummed

[@cra8zykidg]

The art style looks like one of those flash games from the early 2000s

[@SamuraiMotoko]

I feel like hitting enemies is missing a subtle sound effect in the new version, something is off, but just in some bosses

[@ktl2617]

I prefer the pixel art. I think what the players need is wide screen and actual new stages and enemies.

[@wizarddudereborn457]

And let's not forget the arcade version, where there was also a Lightning and Clone weapons, as well as the fact that each boss fight had Joe or Mac's eyes bulge in fear when they saw the boss. But...there was also a scrappy mechanic: hunger.

[@johnnycenate91]

My only gripe with the Remake is that it seems the enemy lacks I-frames (Invincibility Frames), that you can spam Charged Attacks and still always deal damage even after hitting the enemy less than a second ago. The Genesis/SNES versions at least gave the bosses a second of Invincibility before being hurt. The remake looks like it was made with Speedrunners in mind. But other than that, They're both good versions.

[@therealbahamut]

Amazing how different some games were from console to console. I played J&M on the SNES and that boss music is a completely different track. Bosses made drastically different sounds when hit hard enough to stun them. I also don't remember the girls sitting around in ropes during the fights. I don't recall having the ability to wind up your weapon and throw a big one either, but it could be I just never knew about it.

[@jananab5560]

Everyone’s talking about the artstyle but the real problem here is the boss fights they look overly too easy

[@101jir]

Never played either game, but man I love how eerie the bosses are in the original! I feel the limited hardware actually helped to keep it solidly within the uncanny valley, which comes across as undead (as at least some of them are supposed to be). The boss sounds when they get hit may be more unique on the new one, but it lacks the chilling shrillness of the original. I feel that the sound designers on the remake really missed the heart there. Though I suppose that's hard to say: this game has such mood whiplash between creepy and chilling, then immediately jumping to the goofiest, cheesiest poses. the new version adopting an artstyle so closely associated with cheap mobile games didn't help. Keeping the eyes open on death definitely recycled some of that lot creepiness, but not fully. Honestly, my favorite bosses have to be: 1) Skeletal T Rex 2) Brachiosaurus 3) Pteradactyl 4) Titanoboa 5) Mammoth

[@montymole2]

yeah the old game has an excuse for looking like trash cause there was limited hardware, but what's the new game's exucse? lol

[@greedygreen8269]

It's interesting that T-rex in the 1991 version has lips, cause the lips on T-rex recently became relevant

[@mngentry]

I've only ever played this for SNES. had no idea these versions existed. Very cool.

[@user-roninwolf1981]

Same; I asked about that also just now.

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Same here mate

[@BigRick1305]

maybe its just nostalgia for me but i preferred the Snes version........if i had to play one of theses versions though be genesis hands down something about the remake is putting me off

[@EvolutionBeyond]

Watching this I now realize how superior the SNES version’s graphics was to the genesis. The sound quality was so much better too lol

[@shadejakva9367]

Also I liked the SNES version's final boss.

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Same Here

[@phinyxgaming]

Thanks for watching! Like and Subscribe for more. 00:00 T-Rex (Genesis) 00:52 T-Rex (Remake) 01:16 The Legendary Giant Tyrant Triffid (Genesis) 01:59 The Legendary Giant Tyrant Triffid (Remake) 02:37 Pterodactyl (Genesis) 03:26 Pterodactyl (Remake) 04:28 Ichthyosaur (Genesis) 05:03 Ichthyosaur (Remake) 06:19 Brachiosaurus (Genesis) 07:15 Brachiosaurus (Remake) 08:30 Ankylosaurus (Genesis) 09:34 Ankylosaurus (Remake) 10:31 Mammoth (Genesis) 10:58 Mammoth (Remake) 12:58 Skeletal T-Rex (Genesis) 13:13 Skeletal T-Rex (Remake) 14:26 Titanoboa (Genesis) 15:08 Titanoboa (Remake) 16:20 The Fabled Sagileocorn (Genesis) 16:58 The Fabled Sagileocorn (Remake)

[@markFinn1982]

The remake is it a mobile version or, is it for console

[@phinyxgaming]

@@markFinn1982 Console and PC, not available on mobile.

[@jehadalkourdy5226]

The skeletal Rex is basically titanoboa

[@Zorgigon]

Não Gosto de Joe and Mac Caveman Ninja 💔👎😡

[@shinra358]

Art style better on old one

[@Internetpurge]

Wider variety of ladies to rescue too 😏

[@GodofWar891]

Megadrive....the best 1991...👍🏃

[@TwesomE]

I prefer the genesis and arcade versions to be brutally honest as a whole,close to toki remastered as well that didn't had the same impact like the original ones! Its like you remake a movie or an animated series from 2D to cgi those flash style animations doesn't work that well! They should also put accompanied with the remake-remastered versions the original ones as well i believe.The sounds also are really hollow close to the classic,you can barely hear the voices and screams and sertain animations are missing when you hit the boss dinos with strong attacks,its like they get lazy or something.For me they should make entire collections from data east,taito like in ps2 with those instead ruining the original ones!

[@Elgodzillas2014]

1:23 little shop of horrors

[@Mike14264]

Oh man, it's animated in that weird Flash puppet model thingy. When it's used well, it's pretty smooth... but here, it's very noticeable that there's no stretching or any a those dynamic animation techniques, and it feels like we're looking at articulate dolls with very stiff and restricted movement. And the weird thing us, this applies moreso to the humans and playable characters, not so much the dinos, those do look neat. But even Mac and Joe look off with the style.

[@tanosk7]

Genesis >>>>>> Remake

[@treattrick8991]

Genesis = remake

[@ElRelojDeHillValley88Mph]

I firmly believe that some games that have had remakes didn't need them at all, games like Toki, Snow bros or this caveman ninja were graphically perfect in their arcade versions and had great gameplay. I respect all tastes, but I think that being able to play those games in mame, making these versions only has one purpose: to make money from nostalgia. Nice video 👍

[@LivelyInnactiveD]

Why the heck the REMAKE looks like a cheap mobile game?

[@JohnnyBladeHimself]

Honestly I kind of prefer the retro style of the 90's version. IN that one, the plant boss reminded me of "Little Shop of Horror's".

[@saltysunflowersugar7826]

Literally, that's what got me to click on this video. Like, the original design is just STRAIGHT-UP Twoey, the bulbous head, the lettuce-like texture, the orange tounge, even the shade of green they chose, they didn’t even bother changing anything and the fact they managed to get away with it is hilarious

[@HypercatZ]

I think this should have been an "arcade" vs "remake" comparison.

[@astonquintanilla9301]

Remakes of video games almost always are easier than their older counterparts. Also this remake’s graphics reminds me of rayman origins

[@ZombifiedBuizel]

Crash Bandicoot N Sane Trilogy would beg to differ. The first one is almost impossible since they changed Crash's collision box and made it smaller. They made the jumps so much more difficult by doing that.

[@YouMissedAgainTimes32024]

​@@ZombifiedBuizelYeah but that wasn't on purpose, even Gulp in Spyro 2 Reignited is extremely hard for no reason due to a glitch.

[@ZombifiedBuizel]

@@YouMissedAgainTimes32024 What glitch? Never ran into any glitch.

[@timgrove5757]

I used to play the original on SNES with my brother back in the day i had no idea this was remade I'll definitely check it out

[@deathcold_longplaysua4846]

Never played original game nor remake, but in my opinion, original game looks way more detailed and better than remake. Cause, original has color depth to it and more details. Like on that volcano level. It has animated volcano on the background, while remake has none of that. Also, remake looks flat and colors are too dim.

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

The snes one is cool but it varies I guess.😅

[@darkzentai7417]

Is it me or does the original look better?

[@junkenst8281]

it does lol

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Yep

[@YouMissedAgainTimes32024]

Shows how soulless this remake is

[@jondon8941]

It's you

[@ruudvanderzanden8013]

​@@jondon8941 speak for yourself, the remake isn't as good as the original.

[@brokenheroics8223]

Didn't know this remake existed. I'll have to try it out. Thanks for sharing.

[@hjames78]

I knew it was being made but then I forgot about it lol. Yeah I enjoyed the original as a kid when it came out, I'll need to try this

[@trazodeltiempo1466]

It's the same game, almost literally

[@humantacos9800]

When I was a kid they only had a handful of snes games in the beginning. I always thought this game looked amazing but I never got to play it. Even at the rental store it was always checked out, I think it still looks great but so does the remake

[@AlanNguyen12398fghj]

New Joe and mac boss resounded ideas. 1. Tyrannosaurus rex: fang the tyrannosaurus rex from primal roars, jurassic park tyrannosaurus rex roars, ark survival evolved rex sound, and primal carnage tyrannosaurus rex roars 2. The legendary giant tyrant triffid: biollante roars 3. Pteranodon: jurassic park pteranodon sounds monsterverse rodan roars and ark survival evolved pteranodon sounds 4. Ichthyosaurus: ark survival evolved ichthyosaurus sounds, and jurassic world evolution 2 ichthyosaurus sounds 5. Brachiosaurus: infected argentinosaurus sounds from primal jurassic park brachiosaurus sounds, and elephant growls 6. Ankylosaurus: ark survival evolved ankylosaurus sounds and jurassic world ankylosaurus sounds 7. Woolly mammoth: gammoth from monster hunter sounds, titanus behemoth roars and ark survival evolved mammoth sounds 8. Skeletal t rex boss: indominus rex sounds, horned theropod from primal sounds, and infected argentinosaurus sounds 9. Titanoboa: ark survival evolved titanoboa sounds and snake sounds 10. The fabled sagileocorn: mutated spear roars, rancor roars, 2005 king Kong roars, lion roars, tiger roars, 2017 king Kong roars, and krog roars from primal

[@OrpheasVIPC]

I think this should get another remake, but without the cartoonish af style, I'd pay good money for a remake where the bosses are 1:1 recreations of their sprites

[@baders3274]

Yes maybe the guys behind the ninja saiver and wild gun remakes should do it

[@victorgutemberg3964]

I bought this remake on the day it was released and I really regret it.

[@osanfepa]

Me quedo mil veces con el original. El remake cambia completamente el estilo del arte visual

[@sylvmili]

The original version is so mutch cool !!

[@ab-qj3wo]

It's just me or the remake has way worse visuals. I mean seriously worse.

[@baders3274]

Yeah the original was the best from the pixel art to the gameplay

[@joaquinfernandez3347]

I prefer the old version. BY FAR

[@mm39607]

I loved this game when I was little ❤ I had forgotten its name!! How nostalgic! Also I didn't even knew that there was a recent remake, love the redesigns!!!

[@nopentireiii2147]

My reaction to the remake was audibly going "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewww"

[@Frazzledotd]

I remember playing the Snes version and that was a bit of an upscaled version as well, the boss fights had a lot of charm lol

[@KINGREXY123]

The snes ver there was a devil instead of a mutated caveman

[@Charmy-Chaotix]

The Remake is not bad. The Original is just way better.

[@DaedalosC9]

the plant with eyes feels so weird lmao

[@Hylan171]

This is why some remakes don't need to be done. The 1990s Joe & Mac looks way better.

[@SophiaXiaoyuAralaCran]

I admit some of these bosses scared me when I was younger enough to have nightmares... The Skeleton Dino now renamed to Skeletal T-Rex was one of the hardest and scariest bosses because in the original which I have, the Genesis version, if you jived too long he can insta-bite you and quickly too when angry enough! Conversely the Mammoth Boss before him like shown here is the easiest and least frightening despite being the largest boss in the game able to cover 1/2 the screen... but he was such a big target with very little actions in his command roster. For fun or fright, here's my list so far, I don't have the remake yet but from the Genesis: The hardest of all: Skeleton Dino (lethal potential and a swift sudden attack that's not patterned, Very High HP and Defense who never flinched from a single full-charged hit either! I also thought he had a counterattack as well but not sure. His Sudden-Bite attack will hit you even if you're out of the screen, and it hurts a LOT! He killed me the most of all the bosses in the entire game!), 2nd hardest: Green Devil (yes the Final boss is only the 2nd most scariest and reasonably hardest boss in the entire game from being called "Final" Boss, has a nasty counterattack too), 3rd hardest was Spiky the Anklyosaurus due to him never stopping his attacks and also never flinched from a single Full-Charged shot, 4th hardest was the Petradon Mother since she ALWAYS counterattacks with perhaps the best counter of all bosses and the fastest one too. That counter double-dash was a mark of fear at high difficulties and/or low HP. A surprise change in names kind of did get me but one boss entirely threw me off; The Red-Rex was replaced by a giant snake boss? That's new....

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Hmmmm very interesting I might give it a try.

[@KenanVonKaiser]

Gotta Say I Miss The Funny Old Design! New One Looks Great Who Knows Might Be A Comeback Series!

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Heh I miss the old design too. The new look is to goofy to be honest

[@renancolli5428]

genesis version: pixel art remake: flash game from 2009

[@antoniojesusdiazmartinez3267]

I prefer the remake of Toki

[@punkysnarks]

The fluidity of the movements makes the remake feel like a cheap mobile game.

[@freezingicekirby]

I'm a sucker for games that use a hand-drawn style, though I wish their movement was a bit more... natural, maybe? I'm not sure how to put it, but it's a little too fluid, like they're made of rubber or something. Other than that, I think it looks pretty cool.

[@ZMLab]

they rigged them instead of hand animation, thats why they look awkward

[@XeroCool420]

I'm not a fan of the art style of the remake. Mayne it's because I grew up to the original Joe and Mac, but I find the original has more style and class to everything. Truthfully they should've done the remake in the same style just smoothed out for new resolution

[@KindredEmotions]

Between this and Battletoads, I've about given up on any chance of an old childhood classic getting the real respect it deserves in a remake. Both games look and feel so damn low budget and lazy. Like something you'd play on Newgrounds.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

I dunno maybe I'm just a boomer, but I'll always prefer pixel art to flash.

[@Dino_lover529]

3:16 Not the teabagging 😂

[@Preachertay]

Never played the Sega version. Cool!! I played the SNES version where you fight the devil at the end.

[@oldmanbiscuit7518]

I didn't know they remade it, and after seeing this, I wish they didn't

[@baders3274]

Same here the original was my childhood.

[@Obarba_z]

the remake looks just like these old flash games

[@mxggo9046]

the old version I like better.

[@mushroomhead3619]

Plant boss in the remake: Finally I have eyes! I’ve been blind for 31 years! Also feed me Seymour etc.

[@oneeyedwonderer6781]

Everything in the remake lacks weight

[@Wario_B]

I played this on NSO with my friend and kept screeching EGGA BOOGO EGGA BOOGO for 30 minutes until my voice gave out

[@kentovasquez8007]

I remember that the final boss was a devil, not a lizard man but is awesome anyway

[@phinyxgaming]

@Kento Vasquez The devil was the last boss in the SNES version.

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Yea it was and a tricky one it was

[@baders3274]

The reptile humanoid is from the original arcade version before the snes.

[@Corilo91]

I discovered Joe & Mac few months before the announcement of the remake. The fact is, as soon as I checked the remake out, I was immediately turned off by it. It's not horrible, but it lacks something that the original has.

[@jehadalkourdy5226]

1:34 I love this and the sound it makes when it’s hurt

[@ElDector]

No sabía que había un remake de este juegazo. Pero prefiero el de génesis, es más la versión de super Nintendo (con los diablos como jefes finales) luce mejor que el remake (horrible ost y animación).

[@HKpanzer]

Wow its been ages since I've played this game.

[@HeroPrinnyDood]

Soul vs Soulless

[@katama4843]

When games where dumb fun and 'modern gaming' wasnt a thing

[@justwannaname]

Can’t lie I like the old one better but you can tell there was some love put into this one. Also the hits just feel like they’re hitting. Other than the power bar it doesn’t feel like you hit the dinosaurs

[@FromtheHerts81]

1:24 Feeeed me, Seymour!!!

[@CsStoker]

Holy shit I had no idea that there was a charged attack

[@Dinosaur_game_world_761]

1991: 👏👏👏 2022: ☠️☠️☠️

[@gatokawaii3996]

I enjoy the classic more since it was the one I play when I was little. It brings more nostalgia 😂

[@DenisSailor130]

On SNES was Better Graphics and Sound

[@Red_Acolyte_Hashut]

Один из тех примеров когда "Раньше было лучше"

[@-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-]

didn't know they did a remake of Joe & Mac.

[@ImmacHn]

Man, I was expecting something else, looks like one of those mobile game ads, no wonder I hadn't heard of the remake, I'll stick to the Lost in the Tropics SNES version thank you very much.

[@Radwar99]

I loved playing this game at the arcades.

[@glitchbrush8269]

why did they give the plant monster's eyes in the remake

[@adamwilliams4928]

They did an amazing job with the music though.

[@kaizillakingofthemultivers7881]

I’m so young I didn’t even know this game existed

[@thanetitan4246]

I prefer the old one, the new one's art style feels like a cheap full of ads free android game

[@Macaulyn_97]

I want JonTron to make a playthrough of this remake...

[@Tue_]

What on earth were they thinking making the character look like that in the remake?

[@HimakaCapersCreator]

Someone hand me a eraser we need to fix the heroes and make it better. Where's the bleach?

[@BlackRedDragon777]

Honestly alot of the bossss seem weaker but still more faithless than alot of other remakes out there

[@dinoman6481]

The new art style makes it look like a flash game.

[@actuandoandoconandy6237]

No puedo creer que este juego arcade tuvo Remake

[@frankhall9483]

Played this with my dad when i was young that was fun

[@wilderespinoza9772]

Arcade best forever

[@ryanpongracz8051]

Ah finally, I was looking for the name of this game and couldn't get the right one, always some other cave man clone game that wasn't even close to as cool. Now I can get it on steam

[@arks_knights]

The remake should stayed pixelated so it looks modern but retro

[@baders3274]

Yeah they did a bad move here sadly this game was my childhood and they ruined it 😭