Joe Rogan - Chivalry is dead - with Chris Williamson

Clip from Spotify Podcast #2104

[@JayG666]

"Chivalry IS dead! And women killed it." ~ Dave Chappelle

[@TimBitts649]

Chivalry is a deal. A gender deal. Women don't compete directly for power, with men. In exchange, men protect women. However: When women compete for power with men, that ends that deal. Women now, often out rank men. The idea that men should be chivalrous to those that out rank them, is laughable. The nobility of chivalry is it was the strong protecting the weak. Women want to be strong, high ranking, while enjoying protection. Absurd.

[@user-ij5sp4zv5h]

what type of women though? why do you guys never explain it

[@CC-xh8zk]

Chivalry was given back when a guy could expect loyalty, faithfulness, honesty, purity or reasonably close to it. That's all long gone now, in the majority of cases, and so rightfully chivalry is mostly gone too.

[@brushstroke3733]

Loyalty is disgusting to me. I much prefer people have integrity to their own values than loyalty to a person or organization. To me, loyalty means supporting people even when they are wrong, whereas integrity to me means supporting what you believe in. In my friend commits a crime that I think is wrong, why should I be loyal to them?

[@r.walker7986]

The men who women like and want still get all of that...

[@bofasofa9399]

@@brushstroke3733 no one cares about your trauma

[@brushstroke3733]

@@bofasofa9399 Take a hike.

[@xiaoabrose]

As Joe has said before himself, women can say horrific and evil things to men, but they have no recourse. As a large opponent shouldn't physically mistreat a smaller person, that smaller person should not provoke the larger one. You need both sides.

[@j.m.f.g.450]

A goog friend and job coworker of mine, "God rest his soul" was a Taekwondo black belt, and he used to say: " There is no small contender." Never underestimate someone with bad intentions. I'm not saying violence is the solution, just recalling to protect yourself at all times.

[@montieluckett7036]

Beware the quiet man, he feels he has nothing to prove. It doesn't necessarily indicate same said person is without the where-with-all to do so. @@j.m.f.g.450

[@JiMMY-my1ds]

Female narc/bpd prey on this social dynamic.

[@TimBitts649]

Women know they can't be hit. So they act like assholes.

[@DB57RB]

I have personally been told off multiple times by women for holding doors for them, its the worse. Women killed chivalry.

[@treeorwh2]

The first time I picked up my girlfriend for a date, I held the door open for her. When I got into the car, she said "I can open my own door." So I told her that that is not what it is about. "I can also make my own sandwich". She tried to take offense, but I interrupted her and started a long explanation about my favourite sandwiches. Now she never complains about chivalrous things I do. And I show her love and affection whenever I get a sandwich.

[@brushstroke3733]

That sucks! I've never had someone get upset with me for opening a door for them. It's common courtesyl whether for woman or man. If you're there first, you open the door and hold it for them, especially if they're carrying something. Just let it roll off you like a duck lets water roll off them.

[@jackjack4412]

That's crazy.... I lived in progressive Seattle and even the blue haired feminists said thank you when I held the door

[@bofasofa9399]

"it's the worse" You mean the worst?

[@superdavies5548]

Let's not forget that 50% of the time domestic violence is bidirectional, and of the remaining 50% it is instigated by the female slightly more often than not. Those are unpopular facts, but to deny them is to assume that women are completely pure of heart and incapable of violence. Anyone who has lived on the wrong side of the tracks knows that women have a similar propensity for violence as men. Sure, on average men are more capable of inflicting damage, but I do not subscribe to the belief that men should take it from women and not return fire.

[@ThermicLight]

Only in a fist fight. However women aren't shy to use any given object to great effect.

[@JasonlaroseLaRose]

After decades of contention this subject is closed. Thank you, Amber Heard.

[@ldl1477]

"average men are more capable of inflicting damage" -- and this is why it was ok for a man to slap a woman, but not punch her.

[@jkbrown5496]

It was a slow death and it started a century ago "Modesty, reticence, and chivalry were going out of style; women no longer wanted to be "ladylike" or could appeal to their daughters to be "wholesome"; it was too widely suspected that the old-fashioned lady had been a sham and that the "wholesome" girl was merely inhibiting a nasty mind and would come to no good end." "Whether prostitution increased or decreased during the decade is likewise uncertain; but certain it is that the prostitute was faced for the first time with an amateur competition of formidable proportions." --‘Only Yesterday An Informal History Of The Nineteen Twenties’, Frederick Lewis Allen (1931)

[@brennancarter7721]

Legit quote bro, sounds like a book worth reading.

[@forgottenfuryan]

Women got the vote without the draft a felony if men don't in.....1920

[@r.walker7986]

The only men who care about all of that are men who are insecure and and are afraid of women having had better sexual experiences then they can provide and appealing to better options in men.

[@marklewen9384]

Being chivalrous to a 304 is like a dog who returns to his own vomit..

[@unit18nate]

Chivalry is founded in Martial Arts. It's the way of the horseman class. That's what it literally means. The knightly class. The gentlemen. Because gentlemen don't beat up on the weak. Feminism's campaign against it has always been stupid. It's literally what they have been asking for but like everything else once they got what they asked for they cried even harder because they have no idea how unfair it is to be "equals" nor do they understand just how many rules men have always lived under.

[@bknight3391]

Exactly, the idea being that the highest order of excellence a man can achieve is not just to be skilled and competent, but to not use that skill and competence to the detriment of others, but rather to aid and protect.

[@rhenriksen]

Reminds me of the CONSTANT harping re: domestic violence 10-20 years ago. From the same crowd who helped tear down chivalry as a laudable cultural value.

[@theunraveler]

Chivalry is dead, feminism killed it...

[@zhangningful]

And even maybe killing chivalry is the only consistency of gender equality that they did.

[@jreese7436]

Nah, ladies broke it they have to fix it. No point in the risk if there is no reward.

[@Ja50nkAt]

"What did she say?" -Bill Burr

[@bennjaminfurtado3837]

Chivalry is a code of arms very little of it has to do with women. The part that says we are supposed to protect women specifically says maidens. Maiden by definition is a pure verging woman. Haven't seen too many of those.

[@beetalius]

Another aspect of this is because of the feminist movement more men were growing up without fathers in the house. So they didn’t have a model for how to deal with their anger . this resulted in an uptick in domestic violence amongst men from fatherless homes

[@jackdeniston59]

They DO have a model.

[@quitequiet5281]

I am reminded of one of my favorite movie quotes... Probably a loosely based paraphrased but hopefully accurate... From James Bond a Quantum of Solace... “Know a Man by the Strength of his Enemies.” Chivalry is not truly completely dead. It’s just so rare as to be thought functionally extinct except by those who still practice it where and when possible and appropriate.

[@oldgoat142]

Precisely. I will stay true to myself and the way my parents raised me, and NO AMOUNT of dingbat feminist shouting is going to change it.

[@dave23024]

Women want two sets of guidelines. One at work, where men, who get the bottom-rung jobs and are supposed to be seen and not heard. The other is at home, where the man is somehow supposed to be a superhero chivalrous dad who makes six figures.

[@defenstrator4660]

No. Women do not get to be privileged without accepting the inferiority that requires it,. You do not get to be my equal and have to be looked after at the same time,

[@ldl1477]

Exactly. -1- Equals -- we don't owe each other anything other than basic respect, and the rules apply to us equally. -2- Superior&Inferior -- the superior (ex Adult) has Authority over the inferior (ex Child), but also has a responsibility to protect them. I'm still waiting for anyone to explain to me how we can have a Fair system that allows any group to switch between 1 & 2. -OR- Any third option, that again, is a fair system that could be applied to various groups/peoples.

[@r.walker7986]

this is why you guys are single.

[@defenstrator4660]

Married twenty-seven years, With two kids. I understand it is annoying to find out that reality does not conform to your prejudices but learn from it and become a better person. @@r.walker7986

[@Dalvory]

@@r.walker7986sounds like somebody settled.

[@ldl1477]

@@r.walker7986 Why make a statement that sounds like an attack? Why not just explain what is incorrect/misguided about our position? The closest I've gotten to explanations are responses like "this is just the way women are," "This is just how it works," or "I feel it is ok." -- The problem is that these type of answers aren't principled, moral, ethical, etc. They could be considered pragmatic or utilitarian, but pragmatism and utilitarianism are nicer ways of saying "the ends justify the means."

[@johnanderson1245]

Chivalry was a courtesy extended by one man to another in battle. It had nothing to do with women. When most people say chivalry they actually mean something socially that a chivalrous gentleman would do.

[@darthbiscuit]

Chivalry requires chastity

[@JiMMY-my1ds]

You are actually punished for being a gentlemen. Punished!! How crazy is that.

[@fastattacktough688i6]

Chivalry isnt dead, i salute or tip my cap to my fellow man everyday.

[@monikaw1369]

Still expect it and thank the gentlemen who elevate me!

[@shawnmacwhinnie4481]

How does it work for Tyson vs Logan? One is a trained killer. One is closer to him prime? Which is weak? Is it fair?

[@MijoShrek]

Doesn't matter. Extremely lucrative payday for both that are training for their upcoming fight. Logan's the kind of guy that would go up against the champ knowing he'll lose. Strictly for the clout and social standing and to be taken seriously as a fighter.

[@adrak91]

they are not fighting they are playing a sport

[@Laneous14]

Tyson is being paid a lot of money to go easy on the guy LARPing as a boxer. It's totally fair because very few if any real punches will be thrown by the guy who knows what he's doing.

[@shawnmacwhinnie4481]

I’d hate to be on the side of even a “light” punch from Tyson.

[@spiritualempress6691]

Yeah if you’re MMA trained you actually avoid confrontation at all costs cuz you know you’ll wreck them. I had to pin someone swinging at me and told them I CANT hit them because it’s not just swing.

[@stevenwalker4923]

The death of chivalry didn't cause an increase in domestic violence. Relationship and causality are two different things. That is an incorrect conclusion. What caused an increase in domestic violence is the destruction of the nuclear family. If there are two strong parental figures in the household, children are far less likely to become violent and have issues later in life.

[@johnpayton5750]

Hope all of the feminist’s are happy, you got what you wanted.

[@carlranger8060]

Yeah but have you tried DMT?

[@Woodkin007]

Just dont.

[@phillipwarner4062]

That's been old for about a year now. Try something new.

[@solitarymystic4672]

Very true

[@Bicloptic]

Joe should tell this to Jon Jones.

[@felixthecat2786]

Rich people did beat their children. I don't think being wealthy makes a difference.

[@VishnuAnilkumar1]

What doesnt come up in these dicussion (usually) is how each gender shows aggression. Women are largely passive-aggressive.... Thats their natural way to show aggression.... But this aggression is not usually recognized, since there is no physical manifestation. Men, on the other are not passive-aggressive, they are physically aggressive... that is their natural way to show aggression... This is the only aggression that is being recognized in today's times, because there is physical manifestation. What Joe Rogan didnt address is that, a strong man will accept a fight if he is pushed into it by a weaker man. He is not going to back out, simply because he knows he can win a physical fight. But the same standard is not applied to women, when women show passive-aggression on men, they are picking up a fight. Its not fair to say that no man should beat up a woman just because they are physically weaker. An aggression should be evaluated based on what caused the aggression than who is stronger and weaker.

[@mrporsche4236]

Ive been verbally abused by women countless times for being chivalrous. How are we suppose to know who is normal and who isnt. So far its been 100% dont like it

[@warrenfroggatt8306]

Trying really hard to hang on to a past that is no longer applicable, and is hated. Declaring knowledge of how we were in the near past is ridiculous, not needed, and just virtue signaling. We know the symptoms, it's the cause that we can not safely, and bluntly address without sever retribution. We allowed the purposeful removal social norms while cheering those that made the change. More power to them and now we see what they do with the power given 🤣

[@ericm9495]

This is a really condescending take for working class men "you need chivalry rituals so you don't forget your not supposed to beat your wives." and what evidence is there that this is the case? did domestic violence rates go up significantly after this point where chivalry supposedly died? This take seems highly speculative to me.

[@ldl1477]

Hmm... this does support the idea that the working class are the new n-word class.

[@user-rd3bv7qu3i]

You want a woman to stick around, go to a dog 🐕 obedience class, I found about 80% of it works on woman.

[@suberon9173]

What tricks would you recommend

[@jimmyhaymaker]

Chivalry isn’t completely dead. I do chivalrous things for my women all the time and it isn’t looked down upon by her nor is it always acknowledged but it’s always appreciated. It’s called being a gentlemen and it takes two seconds.

[@Lelldorin84]

Women did it to themselves

[@bm5_5_5]

I love chivalry. Please don’t stop guys. A lot of us women still love gentleman.

[@juvauniegayle9018]

The juice is not worth the squeeze in general

[@tomyoung8563]

Pass

[@CC-xh8zk]

Chivalry was given back when a guy could expect loyalty, faithfulness, honesty, purity or reasonably close to it. That's all long gone now, in the majority of cases, and so rightfully chivalry is mostly gone too .

[@oldgoat142]

bm5, You're welcome. A lot of us will continue to be that way for you.

[@bm5_5_5]

@@oldgoat142 AMEN 🙏 Glad to hear it!

[@JohnSmith-oj4jp]

What an insufferable guy

[@Tbone.357]

Is he talking about Strickland? A skilled fighter beating up someone who is unskilled? 🤔🙄🤐

[@oldgoat142]

For every one sideways woman who doesn't like a door being held open because the guy is being a gentleman and was raised that way, there are dozens more who appreciate it. My suggestion would be; stop effing worrying about what some dingbat broad would say and stay true to yourself. Be a gentleman at every opportunity. As for the dingbat, my response? "Sorry this offended you, but my parents raised me to have manners." You can add the appropriate sentence after that.

[@monikaw1369]

Cussing on your show is not okay either! Unless this show is for ungentlemanly men. :)

[@hongolloyd8728]

Nobody cares.

[@treeorwh2]

I care

[@MadaraUchiha55910]

@hongolloyd8728 You don’t care about treating women right and as though you cherish your wife or girlfriend because all good men do and being told not to open doors or pull chairs for women is something we hate because we were thought to be like that and we do it pretty much on instinct.

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

Then why are you here?

[@rood6422]

I also care

[@americandissident9062]

Women seem to care. In fact they’re freaking out over it. Wait until they learn that they killed it.

[@sonicboom3097]

Chivalry been dead since the Middle Ages homies

[@1Plebeian]

Cringe

[@jacksonboone8396]

No it isn't. My sons & grandsons still hold the door for ladies.

[@vyse102]

Let's hope they don't get eaten alive out there. lol

[@Mist3rEM]

Congrats, you raised a bunch of simps. Not the flex you think it is.

[@nwobringiton1282]

And how long are your sons and grandsons gonna be okay with not getting laid?

[@tomyoung8563]

Congrats! We need young men set up for failure

[@oldgoat142]

Jackson Boone, you did a good thing in raising them that way. Stay true to your values. Ignore any 'tarded jabronis who tell you different. They have no character and want everyone to be like them; sans character.