Why Feminists Actually Fear The Decline Of Men In Colleges

Watch the full episode here - • Elon Musk, Texas & Men...
Men are dropping out of college at record rates according to statistics. Why are men dropping out of college? What does this mean for modern masculinity? Why is this a crisis for the dating market? How are women hurt by there being fewer men with college degrees?
#college #mensrights #dating
-
Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here:
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2MNqIgw
Spotify: spoti.fi/2LSimPn
Stitcher: www.stitcher.c...
-
Get in touch in the comments below or head to...
Instagram: / chriswillx
Twitter: / chriswillx
Email: chriswillx.com...

[@ChrisWillx]

The full episode with Zack is now live. Watch here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqO0ZWiKgb-qpqM

[@aikighost]

Now we've had Zack on can we get you lifting with Clarence Kennedy? :)

[@ransakreject5221]

If my son went to college rather than got a job I’d disown him

[@Ivan-ud1gr]

@@ransakreject5221 So if he wanted to study something that interested him and pursue its mastery, you'd disown him? Thinking in absolutes is what happens when people don't get experience OR an education.

[@Ivan-ud1gr]

@unba nnble And thats how mass shooters are created.

[@n1ghtdr34d3]

@@Ivan-ud1gr I think he meant that his kid gonna be brainwashed after the college thats why disown him.

[@tips4truckers252]

My mom cried when I told here I started driving a truck, said "what am I going to tell my friends my sons a damn truck driver" now im making 6 figs she says I always supported you... f outta here.

[@alfreddai6977]

Why the hell have I heard this story a bunch of times from my own friend's older brothers and cousins? Literally when they decided to f out of higher education and pursue a blue collar job that earns more and their parents throw fits.

[@pbonfanti]

This is another pill, just because is your blood does not means have your best interests in mind...

[@ClarkPotter]

Until Tesla AI supplants you by 2030.

[@joshuawargo6446]

Im going through detachment from my family...and the realization that theyve really only been trying to use me to assist them....rather than help me. It fucking hurts...but theres a relief knowing i can move forward hopefully and not look back. While i had siblings who were supported ...or flat given things....im fighting...but that means i can walk away at least.

[@mohamedbarrie7970]

It’s simple. The colleges have done a great job on marketing to the appearance of the elite. The prestige and status of “college” is what makes people want it. Women are more tied to status than men are. It’s not surprising. Until college looses its fake status is when u will see these women drop any idea of it. Unless they are individuals who are pursuing a specific degree.

[@sharonhathaway7484]

I am 66 year old and just returned to college to complete my degree. The overwhelming narrative against men and how women are portrayed as victims of men combined with gender identify focus in every course makes me uncomfortable. If I were a male I would be looking for anyway to avoid a university setting.

[@spiritofalaska]

how come women always come to their senses when they are old and no longer of value?

[@smartalex22]

Thanks for your support, it gives me hope for the next generation of women. :)

[@LionKimbro]

@@spiritofalaska Don’t say that. Women have value far beyond sex and sex appeal. You don’t have to become an idiot to be opposed to woke bullshit.

[@tommack9395]

@@spiritofalaska I'm pretty sure she always had her senses.

[@ravenzyblack]

@@spiritofalaska- It because they can no longer rely on a man’s wallet. They actually have to take accountability and responsibility for themselves. They are no longer as desirable as they once were. Therefore they cannot just use men and discard them.

[@DARKnCRUEL]

I'm a mechanic specializing in rotating equipment, making 130k+ a year with expenses payed for single no kids 41 years old , And all i have is High school diploma .

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Oops Wrong post!

[@KJ-md2wj]

I wish I had chosen the occupational HS back then. I thought about it but chose the regular HS as it seemed to leave more options open in edu, but it didn't.

[@ohnoitisnt]

And a 5 year head start without debt

[@benlubbers4943]

You make things that spin? General Electric is that you?

[@ivanspasov9831]

U don’t need college to be educated

[@Deejonamoo]

I abandoned university for trade school. Now I’m a licensed electrician and making more money than most 4-year entry level graduates. The trades tend to attract men more than women because they are more physically demanding. Couple that with the decline of tradesmen as the older generation retires, which leaves a large gap in the workforce, and the state of the economy, careers in the trades can be quite attractive to men who simply want to provide for their families. Best decision I ever made.

[@JasonDeville-fi4dh]

No AI removing electricians and plumbers and huge demand. It will always be a demand. In economy crash too.

[@orboakin8074]

I envy you, sir. I will hopefully be graduating in a few months and this is exactly what I am going to do. I wasted three years of my life and thousands of dollars on Office admin😢

[@callak_9974]

Its not just that they are more physically demanding, but its also field that deals with things. And you get this sense of satisfaction of a job well done when its complete after all the hard work you put in, unlike most office jobs.

[@anonymousanonymous8306]

I'm also an electrician, fixing things is infinitely more peaceful than fixing people. I feel nothing but pity for the white collar folks answering work emails at 10pm on a Saturday.

[@beowulf_of_wall_st]

not just the physical aspect of it, but the fact that you can't sit there talking in meetings and sending emails and pretend you actually did something.

[@codybrady6637]

"Men trying to live simple trouble free lives, women most affected"

[@yomnakhaled6916]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that lol

[@EM-wo6wf]

lmao fr

[@sai-codes]

Ikr what a beta way of thinking

[@sai-codes]

@@connorstutsman8011 what did you find hateful? We are simply pointing out the flawed thinking

[@purplegoopguy]

Was looking for a women most affected comment lol

[@Gearheadgilbert85]

I busted my ass trying to honor my parents wishes to graduate college. I managed to graduate debt free but undeniably my time would have been better spent learning a trade. Plumbers are out there making as much as doctors rn without all the legal liability. Best part is for trade guys is that you're making bank while the rest of society look down on tradesmen as being poor.

[@cx2900]

just don't pick a trade that will break your body by the time you can retire. there's always a trade off

[@oudoorguy4300]

I come from blue collar workers and tradesman - this is not a shot at tradesmen. Universities are where policy makers are from. If you are drawing from a singular pool you will eventually have no male representation in society so it goes beyond annual income.

[@andrewmalcolm79]

@@cx2900 Exactly. If you're a carpenter or a plumber you don't want to be working too much past the age of 40 or you're going to want to be very selective about the kind of work that you take on. I knew one project manager who had been a carpenter whose knee now moved left / right as well as front / back. I've spent the last 10 years working construction with a herniated disc in my spine. Most people would try to get signed off with that or retrain for another job. That's to say nothing of the tendonitis / hearing loss / constant breathing in silica dust / carpenters missing fingers / carpal tunnel syndrome e.t.c. e.t.c. e.t.c. I'm a construction guy and I'm tired of University graduates bitching about how much construction guys make when they spend their whole day breathing fresh air and haven't a single scar on their body and work for employers who provide pensions and superannuation rather than being self employed and entirely responsible for their own tax, pension, e.t.c. e.t.c.

[@matsu820]

@@andrewmalcolm79 This is off-topic, but you might find help to your disc problem from alexander technique. Personally it's been great for getting myself back to healthy functioning without pain.

[@nicelypenn]

@@andrewmalcolm79 Jesus christ man. I had an interest in learning carpentry as a hobby and part time stuff. All that shit doesn't sound worth it.

[@loucypher2836]

There was an article in the Guardian written by a successful lady who was complaining about the lack of men of a higher socio-economic level, she argued 'why should I have lower my standards and DATE DOWN' what made me laugh, at no point did it enter her head, that the man she wants, using her standards would be 'DATING DOWN' in this world of equality why would a man want a women of a lower socioeconomic level?

[@davidbolha]

The beginnings of Isaiah 4:1

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Kate Bolick, many years ago now, wrote an infamous article, entitled 'Who Me Marry?,' where she comes as utterly immature and naive about men-female dating standards.

[@M1N0rZ1rC0N]

Bet you she was in her late 30s why would any man want that when a man any man with a job can find a women in her early 20s. So why should any man lower their standards for a feminist 🤔

[@Thinker1985]

Double-standards abound.

[@laumay7364]

Why woulda man want a women of a lower socioeconomic level? So he can play the man in the relationship. Now let’s play the other side. Why would a woman want a man of higher socioeconomic status? So she can play the woman in the relationship. Any questions?

[@carlostommybaggs5763]

When the only message they hear constantly is that they are predators, why would men want to be around people who constantly portray themselves as victims?

[@Oysters176]

Also Mothers telling their sons 'they are special' in an invalid attempt to 'raise their self-esteem', Bitch, that will only lower it, because sons are not stupid and can read the minds/intentions of the receiver. If ya really wanted to 'raise our self esteem', give us a rubix cube, or get us to help out at the sweat shop, or hire a personal trainer, we know our mother loves us, base on how much she can step away.

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

You are predators, 💯

[@carlostommybaggs5763]

The world changed, men changed and right now women desperately need a new play book. Too many women still want to call the men that are actively avoiding them, 'predators' when everyone can easily see the situation for themselves. It makes those women look like incredibly stupid liars and increasingly people just aren't falling for it any more.

[@carlostommybaggs5763]

@@IndependentPrettyGirlis Then choose the bear. 🐻

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

@@carlostommybaggs5763 OMG 🤣 you're so behind, I not only chose the bear but I'm a part of the 4B movement completely. I've been a part of for being movement for 2 to 3 years now SMH

[@p382742937423y4]

As an art student in 2000's, there were 50-50 distribution in students. Coming back as a teacher in 2015 male students were SO HAPPY to see a male teacher and they LOVED being taught something without feminist blame (i taught philosophy). Apparently the whole toxic feminist narrative had taken over the curriculum in art school.

[@alanmacintosh4036]

I teach in a Business School in Mainland China. 90% of my students are female and I am the only male member of faculty in the department. Both men and women are happy to be taught by male teachers. My classes are oversubscribed.

[@SeattlePioneer]

I would imagine that right now women are getting together in their little groups to collect passing comments to which they can manufacture offence and then make concerted complaints about your "predatory, misoginistic" behavior which will force you to resign.

[@Royster931]

Good for you

[@mthai66]

Art schools fell in the 80s

[@w.murphy5151]

As a professor, in what way do you think this has affected academia? If positive why? If Negative why?

[@neansath]

More and more KZbin channels gets comments like "I learn more from you than I did in high school/college." Shows just how unaccommodating to learning school has become in recent years.

[@jamie49868]

That is what happens when they teach an agenda instead of skills.

[@hornetguy9063]

TBYS summed it up best. On the internet, you can try out a course from a teacher. If you don’t like them, you can go get taught by someone else. You can learn about neural networks from some random graduate student, or you can learn it from Geoffrey Hinton. You can learn psych from some ditzy adjunct, or Jordan Peterson. So on.

[@NFDIH]

I notice teachers really struggling on quiz TV shows. Wondering how teachers on quiz TV shows got a job at school. In my country, last summer, broken new record number of school pupils have achieved top grades but we in pandemic, how student "achieve" that? I think it because students watch KZbin and other social media lots more in lockdown.

[@foxbyte0157]

My man, I have had KZbin videos shown to me in classes that cost about $150 per day. I remember vividly, shaking my head slowly in disbelief at what was happening.

[@locutusdborg126]

Or how bite-sized morsels of "wisdom" on KZbin are mistaken by the rubes as education. Not. Even. Close.

[@maplenook]

Men figured out college is a joke.

[@fbcpraise]

A joke and a shakedown.

[@TheRenaissanceMan3]

💯

[@andyvirus2300]

Has become a joke. Now not only anyone can go into college, but the course are filled with woke and DIE stuff, so simply an utter waste of time.

[@mikiandfriends1820]

Fn expensive too

[@KEVWARD63]

It’s a racket

[@DanHorrell-sb3xu]

I worked for an oil and mineral exploration company and had a coworker who only had a high school diploma but was making several hundred dollars a day for many years. We tended not to shave letting our beards grow out of control due to the hours and conditions of work. We went to an upscale restaurant with a patio. He sat down to eat in the patio while we went to the bathroom. While waiting a well-dressed woman walked up to him as he was reading the menu and handed him a twenty-dollar bill for his meal due to him looking homeless. The man owns three houses (paid off) and was complaining to us that he doesn't want to go through the hassle of furnishing them. He took the twenty-dollar bill and laughed.

[@Lycanthromancer1]

If he'd said something and she'd heard, she probably would've called the police to arrest him for theft.

[@alexmuenster2102]

>> upscale restaurant with a patio [...] handed him a twenty-dollar bill for his meal due to him looking homeless

[@joeradler]

​​@@alexmuenster2102doesn't make sense? I agree, but that is why I believe the story. Have you ever met a woman who thought sensibly? Neither have I.

[@mattm9619]

I've talked to young men who went to college and they feel vilified by the institutions most of them dropped out after a semester or two. Said there was only room for one ideology on college campus.

[@beejcarson]

Its almost like one of the two political ideologies in America telling its people to avoid liberal arts and 'get a real degree' and don't go into academia for 5 decades had entirely predictable consequences.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

It’s suffocating. As a Republican it’s such a nightmare 🤦‍♂️. And I’m gay. I couldn’t imagine how suffocating it would be to be straight and Republican on a college campus. And I’m in a stem major so we have LESS wokery but still some seeps in. Whenever I’ve had to do gen Ed classes it’s hella woke. Like the English teacher who made us read a bunch of literature about how trump was a cheeto hitler. Or the psychology teacher who went on feminist rants 🙄. Or the philosophy teacher who got mad at me for saying “America doesn’t have an obligation to feed the starving world with our food if we don’t want to since they didn’t make it”. 🤦‍♂️. Just in general the amount of socialism everywhere is insane. And as an architect I’m constantly hearing about equity and the need to build “equitable” spaces and how we need to stop car centric development 😒. I see why so many men quit is the point I’m trying to make. I at least at gay and questionably Latinx (since I’m white). What are the conservative straight white cis men to do?

[@Agrosheep1]

​@@LucasFernandez-fk8se I was with you until you said "Latinx" 🙄🙄🙄

[@thaistomp]

Yup, the professors will fail you on purpose if they feel you're not down with the program. And the girls are sleeping with the professors a lot of the times.

[@mattm9619]

It's on almost every campus it's crazy how the woke ideology has spread. I'm not even conservative but the woke is insane to me.@@LucasFernandez-fk8se

[@clovermark39]

My son did electronics engineering and had one female on the course. They took her and used her in all the advertising and gave her all the support. She failed all the exams and her image is still being used to advertise the engineering course. The men were almost ignored.

[@morpheus9137]

Happens in other engineering subjects, 99% male dominated (the men chose to do it, women don't), so they take 50% the funding and spend it on women, the women still don't like it and drop out. This leaves the 99% of men that will work in the field with 50% the resources. Then the same happens in the workforce, positive discrimination ensures the men that worked harder with less support lose out to female candidates. If this is 'equality' you can keep it, I prefer a meritocracy.

[@andys149]

I've noticed this form of manipulative advertising, it's dehumanizing to men. All the female faces & conspicuous lack or male ones sicken me.

[@ELdASenSei]

Yoooooooo, that is just messed man... :0

[@jesseostone386]

@@andys149 Reverse discrimination!

[@davidbarry6900]

@@jesseostone386 No. It's just discrimination.

[@threethrushes]

20th century: men doing the ROI on college education and realising that it's positive. 21st century: men doing the ROI on college education and realising that it's negative.

[@simonacerton3478]

Perfect. I think much of reason men are eschewing college is the cost, the toxic ideology and the fact that even with nearly two girls for every guy the college politics make dating too difficult. A lot of guys want nothing to do with woke women , feminists or any of that and with the risk of a life ruining false accusation high , the only way to win is not to play. As such it is exactly as Gerhard says, fails the cost benefit analysis . Long term, well the effects are going to be interesting , college women will effectively be sterilized as they can't find mates and as noted won't marry less educated men, the quality of education will decline as seats are filled for ideological reasons and the competitiveness of the West will decline in high tech arenas. Most people weren't going to college and blue collar /working class men and women will keep on keeping on. However I must disagree with our hosts, the guys that do get into college other than on athletics scholarships won't be the type of guys actually attractive to women being selected for traits that do not lend themselves to mating and dating.

[@_nebulousthoughts]

I went to school to learn not be called a rapist/racist.

[@threethrushes]

@@simonacerton3478 I recently watched a YT video on Yale students berating the Dean of their college for some Halloween Costume email which his wife had written. I have never before seen such a flagrant display of disrespect since Germany invaded the Sudetenland in the 1930s.

[@Nihilis1]

100% agree. Went to college have a STEM degree complete waste of my time. I would of been just as well off learning a trade.

[@kevinraum7749]

Simple as

[@DEichenberg]

Imagine the majority of men teaming up to walk away from society. Refusing to work or support anyone. It would all change overnight.

[@knightheaven8992]

You kinda already see this happening organically

[@ab3240]

"Refusing to work" in capitalism just means you starve to death or leech off of someone else. Refusal to participate is not a productive way to change your circumstances.

[@mrbill2600]

@@knightheaven8992 No longer kinda sorta but actually ...

[@danmaertens7872]

The main issue there is that civilization is build on family units. Without family, there is no civilization.

[@ernimuja6991]

How? Your taxes will pay for all of society’s needs. Women are the most powerful voting block and they’ll just increase taxes. We’ll be Sweden level of 90% taxes where the state does everything for you.

[@godoftwinkies574]

Women: "there are no good men." Guy: "plumbers need girlfriends" Women: "i wont date a plumber!" Guy: "it was good enough for princess Peach." Women: "she's a fictional character" Guy: "so are the men u r looking for" Women: *bans guy from conversation. :D

[@shmataboro8634]

God of TWINKIES. That is so perfect!!!!!

[@shadowfox933]

That was excellent thank you for sharing

[@RogerBarraud]

ROFL - Well said :-)

[@sidecharacter7165]

The sad thing is that a plumber (or especially truck drivers now) is wealthier than most college grads. They lack the debt and oftentimes make more each year. They just lack the social prestige because it is a job where the guy actual does labor. The Weet has gone full retard on social priority.

[@TRINITY-ks6nw]

RESPECT!!!

[@angrytigger83]

Men are better at cost/benefit analysis. They see better opportunities in the trades. Give it 10 years and women will be complaining about the societal expectation to go to college.

[@williamwilson4642]

Women will be complaining that the men in trades make more money then them with a college degree. The problem being most of them get degrees in the humanities, which really contribute nothing to society.

[@unnecessaryapostrophe4047]

@domicile ubiquitis And a lot of us skilled tradesmen have dropped out until we're treated better.

[@OnesFan1]

You only get the world that you are living on currently, ruled by men from the beginning. Enjoy it

[@shoulung]

@@williamwilson4642 Ya, the humanities contribute nothing to society. writing is worthless, when is the last time you read something? Of course, we all know art is pointless too, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never watched a movie or listened to music. And journalism is pretty stupid too, we don’t need somebody telling us what’s going on in the world, certainly not a KZbin video telling us “Record Men Are Dropping Out of College (and it’s terrible for women)”. And don’t get me started on why history is the dumbest of them all, I'm sure we aren’t doomed to repeat past mistakes if we don’t learn from history. Obviously I am being sarcastic. I do agree though that trades are usually more lucrative for most people. But keep in mind, most degrees coming out of college are business and medical degrees.

[@williamwilson4642]

@@shoulung TL;DR

[@jacquesd5781]

Historically, men create the paths ("trailblazers") and women start following the path when it becomes more convenient or more widely accepted as the norm. Young men are merely the first to see the failure of colleges, and abandon ship - young women will undoubtedly follow if the trend continues.

[@bigsmall2842]

That, as well as the fact that the modern education system just isn’t suited for men. I’ve never met a single dude in my life who’s ever been satisfied with school after 8th grade. 4.0 gpa, or 2.0 gpa, it’s just not fulfilling at all for us.

[@rohroh6256]

Men will find the next frontier (whatever that is) and then the girls will come chasing and demand representation 🙄

[@lowroad4257]

@@rohroh6256 good news the girls will be your boss, so they can take credit for your work just like men do now.

[@Xplora213]

I think the video explained that women will not abandon college - ladies are not as adventurous as men. Entrepreneurs will continue to shirk college (Bill Gates etc) but women are moving into that space more and more and more, driven by jealousy for the status of the degree, rather than the economic value of the degree. When you consider the jobs they get after, it becomes quite clear those industries will adjust to accommodate more degrees. But.... ironically, nothing will actually improve for the women taking this path. They are simply accruing debt and wasting time, and they could have been designing swimwear or running a cafe or something instead. It won’t end the way they think it will. I’ve heard you need a masters to drive a garbage truck in the Philippines... it’s insane. More degrees doesn’t make society better.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

I agree that men are trailblazers, men start things, develop and expand them until they're successful, then women want to " share " ( ie be given ) what men have created, and if men don't, it's sexist. I'm not sure how higher education is funded in the US, but in England you get a £ 70,000 lone, that you only have to pay of ( through taxes ) if you earn over a certain amount, I think women will still take that 70k and spent it like Brewster's millions to get a qualification in believing propaganda and hating men. Women will only start to care about debt in their late 30s, and try to bag a rich man, sorry settle down.

[@PriestOfFilm]

Putting it bluntly, about why men aren't going to college anymore; Why would you willingly worship at a temple that sees you as anathema to its faith and world-view?

[@Redmanticore]

have you ever thought that its antimale on purpose, so men lose all the powerful positions in society and women gain them? you need uni education to get to all deciding positions in governance.

[@nonsensicalrants1703]

​@Redmanticore That is the intention behind some of it. In the same way the intention of marxism is to create a propertyless utopia. The result will not be what they intended, because 2nd degree planning is beyond these people.

[@joshanonline]

@@Redmanticore Yup. Too obvious that is intentional. And we already have a gynocentric society... But a matriarchal society is fated to collapse. Emotional creatures CANNOT be fair. It is antithetical to their nature. I experience this every day with 3 female bosses. They are not that incompetent, but they make work uncomfortable and needlessly hard.

[@MarcIverson]

Nicely stated.

[@MarcIverson]

@@Redmanticore Maybe most people don't want to be politicians.

[@lizzyw7861]

College is 49% busywork, 49% unnecessary details (that you will forget the day after rhe exam), and 2% knowledge

[@Ohohhohoh]

Y’know, pretty accurate

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

Says someone who didn't go to college.

[@quietprofessional4557]

I agree.

[@gggggg3912]

@@SamSung-nf6tr honestly though at the very least, half of all classes you are forced to take is not relevant to your degree. honestly i didnt learn anything new from "post high school classes" that colleges force you to take for $$. and even some supposed core classes are bullshit

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

@@gggggg3912 Knowledge = power. You may think you didn't learn anything useful now, maybe you didn't if you didn't apply yourself b but knowledge is never wasted. One sentence, a fact in conversation can land you your dream job or make you look like a fool in a room of educated people. They have channels dedicated to knowledge like the history channel. The problem today is the cost of universities. It's outrageous. Instead of dealing with monopolies of higher education & loans at 21% the admin threw money at the loans which didn't solve or address the problems. Free community college is not a fix. It sounds good. Most classes are not transferable to universities, therefore the time & cost of going to a community college then a 4 yr college is actually higher.

[@BradKwfc]

College is a racket. I failed a class, when I retook the class I had to buy the "new" textbook for nearly $200 and the only difference was the chapters were moved around.

[@hellogoodbye4061]

Men are not attending college because it has become an indoctrinating financially burdensome scam.....Women have yet to figure this out. Guess men are always ahead of the curve in regards to these things.

[@Deviax28]

Look at who the author was. A college professor, probably your actual professor, who mandates that you buy the book. Tons of used college bookstores sell used books but the author doesn't get any money if you buy the book used.

[@josephcernansky1794]

BOTTOMLINE.....The NON-TAXED Educational/Industrial Complex is a RIP-OFF!!! They are about collecting YOUR tuition MONEY for OVER-PRICED USELESS SERVICES WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY or GUARANTEE!!!

[@natehill8069]

But after the class is over you can sell it back for $8. Almost a Whopper meal.

[@dansmith16]

@@natehill8069 Consumer culture.

[@regulator5521]

As a guy in college I’ve realized something. My peers who are male and not in college are already employed and doing well for themselves, not in debt. I’m grateful to not be in debt because I work a lot but I’ve realized that many men don’t want to go through that bull just to get a degree for a job that pays less than a job without a degree requirement. Some of my friends went to mechanic schools, welding, real estate and are already making six figures at 22. Most college degrees are completely worthless in the grand scheme of things.

[@Lydia-Roe]

Okay... so if you don't know what you want to do... Get your generals outta the way at a community college. Then, go to trade school, earn the buckos, and then , if you want later on down the road, go back and get a degree (if you want) in a field that you desire to expand your learning in (or just sign up for the Massive Online Open-enrollment Courses or MOOCs that are offered from Stanford, Cornell, SCU , and the like). I agree one should not just head into a university if they have zero idea of what they want to do , unless they have a plan for how to get out of that debt in 5 to 7 years.

[@BitchChill]

Weeb

[@beardedjack0g488]

Going to start a welding training course in like two weeks, literally smartest choice I've ever made.

[@k4piii]

Congrats, those are the outliers

[@Likeaworm]

Lol I'm 22 and real estate agent in the bay area. My mom has been in the business for 20 years and I got my license at 19. I was super shy and it took me 3 years to finally understand how to talk to people but once it clicked I turned into a phenom (key is to not care what others think about you). Made 6 figures this year and plan on touring Europe next summer if covid nots a thing. I also go to community college and transfer to my local state school next year for a mis degree. I'm also learning python and I'm really interested in Ai and how I incorporate it into real estate.

[@getinthespace7715]

I got an engineering degree, almost went to machining trade school like my buddy. When i graduated my community college engineering transfer program and started at the state school, he was done with trade school making bank. By the time I graduated engineering and was making 60k starting he was well into 6 figures. Got himself into running building size large form factor CNC machines. He chose the right path. I'm super happy for him, kicking butt, making bank.

[@PaladinLeeroy42069]

And that degree path is straight suffering through and through. Definitely not worth it unless it’s actually your passion

[@shroomer3867]

The thing is that even if people with college degrees tend to earn more overall than trade school the fact that people in trade school can start working 2-3 years earlier than their peers in college means that they can start building experience, wealth and deep knowledge (the kind of knowledge you only get through practice like work or personal projects) earlier. What this means is that if you account for that, then on average, the pay tends to be quite similar for both of them, and that people in trades can start investing earlier if they so wish to which is important to consider in the case of compound interest, 401k etc. Also you just get to focus and learn about the things you like or somewhat enjoy.

[@Warsie]

Can't you still do machining even with the engineering degree? Because you still gotta talk to the machinists on the lathes to make better machines in CAD or whatever?

[@PaladinLeeroy42069]

@@Warsie you need to know the specific skills to do these jobs. It just follows that you’re certainly capable of learning those simpler skills if you learned all the complicated physics and math behind how the machines function. An aerospace engineering graduate still needs to learn the yoke and rudder and have flying hours to be a pilot

[@SilentS2]

In Finland (my home country) was done a research where they found a bias against boys in school. When exams were reviewed anonymously girls’ scores got worse and boys’ scores got better. Here you have to know that in Finland we pay nothing for our education (except some materials; books, computers etc.) Diploma from past studies (and in some cases entrance exams) determines to which school one is able to get in later in life. They even recently changed the system in a way that diplomas now has a lot bigger emphasis than ever before. Speaking about structural inequality. Also men has mandatory military service which will pretty much always put them one year behind on their careers. Also women are allowed to voluntarily participate to the military service in the name of equality. They even have an option to drop out during the first three months if they don’t like it there.

[@redactedcanceledcensored6890]

Here in Hungary in junior primary school boys would consistently get scores 1-2 (1 is failure, the lowest score) girls consistently got 3-4-5s (the top half). I could read since I can remember and was still graded poorly because I have a benis.

[@Cyphlix]

do trans men have to do military service? Or does the government acknowledge they'll always be women?

[@marcmeinzer8859]

Yes indeed grade school especially for the little kids is effeminate, the teachers are over 80% female, and of course the boys are treated as if they are “wrong”. So it’s no wonder that the boys are noisier, more disruptive, and less studious. But some of the girls are already quite bitchy at that age. I was a male parochial school teacher for 2 years. The weirdest part of the job perhaps was getting drunk with the nuns over at the convent. I could drain half a bottle of scotch while they concentrated on their bad homemade wine. But then I was a Whiskeypalian, not a Roman Catholic.

[@banzaaiiiii]

Nordic countries always seem top lists over "best x" "happiest" behind the curtain is pills, OD/suicide, crazy feminists, a system that says we are the best with strong state support. Glad i never went there as some of my fellow imbecile countrymen(Turkey) did.

[@rogeriopenna9014]

Brazil has a mixed system. There are lots of private universities but all top universities are public and free, with the most difficult entrance exams (because of the number of candidates) On the other hand, wokeness is bigger in public universities

[@scott2452]

I think it is worth divorcing the concept of “higher education” from University. People can (& should) continue learning throughout their lives. They do not need University for that. In fact, the University lecture format is one of the least effective methods of education.

[@Okami33]

True. Education can be received from peers, mentors, the library, and during job training. Higher education is not limited to just the college lecture hall.

[@madelainepetrin1430]

Totally! I got interested in 17th century history. I've been able to read obscure theses, books published in 1650, personal records, diaries, etc all without any professor telling me what to read. I'm practically an expert on the Era now.

[@jasoneel76]

@@madelainepetrin1430 kkxmmm ccu’’’d’m M f f; no Ff weywydNo as

[@InfernoPhoenixFX]

@@jasoneel76 Based and Strokepilled

[@madelainepetrin1430]

@Yeshua Is Lord If you study only to get a degree to show your education, it's not worth it. So many degrees are useless. Students pick courses that are easy, where the teacher gives no work, read the bare minimum required, mostly Coles notes or watch the movie then never open a book in their life...this is the majority of Arts and Humanities students. Then they brag about how "educated " they are. I agree that most sciences degrees require guidance as these are job related so you need to master these subjects. Today men are dropping out bc they realize that it's no longer the way to learn. They don't care that some uni gives them a piece of paper to get a crummy job in an office.

[@BenjaminHarrison-ck6sx]

As a student veteran currently attending Ohio University in Athens OH, not only do men face significant negative stigma from the institution itself, but the classes we're forced to take are borderline worthless. If I need an IT degree, why do I need to learn "Black history this, womens' studies that" Its pointless. We're isolated, the women are impossible to talk to, and dropping out is looking better and better each day.

[@calvinhoward3808]

I'm sure the institution is well aware that the vast majority of college graduates don't even work in their field.

[@dcmuise5924]

I just finished a degree that has a practical application and I found that my abilities to do my job were limited by the constant return to social justice throughout every course. I could have used more practical knowledge to complete my work. It’s frustrating but now that I’m finished, I’ve had to teach myself as I go. Waste of money in many ways but I got the qualifications on paper so I can legally do my job.

[@MajesticFerret]

I got an Engineering degree and didn't have to take or deal with any woke BS. Math is math. No opinions and discussing opinions outside of math is unprofessional.

[@theclevelander5007]

@@Cocoisagordonsetter I've since transferred to a University closer to home, it's more of a commuter college and isn't as isolated and I can already tell it is far more professional than Ohio University. I still have to take some B.S classes, but at least I'm not stuck to the university and seeing it every day.

[@Zrichington]

Drop out, take a specialized IT training then go right to the job

[@EricLehner]

University is no longer a “higher” education. Why is a degree in “Women’s Studies” higher than carpentry, plumbing and electrician training? We have to modernize our language around this issue.

[@peanutnukle]

I only have a GED and make over 110k doing what I love to do. Diver

[@christerjakobsen8107]

@peanutnukle damn, I hear divers make bank from hazard pay, especially underwater welders.

[@robertlunderwood]

It's not. Carpentry, plumbing, and electricians are paid far more than women's studies. Outside of being an activist or a women's studies professor, there's nothing you can do with that degree.

[@TwanBankz]

@@peanutnuklehell yuh brother im workin on gettin my GED rn

[@Shmandalf]

Guys just aren't built up the same way as girls are. I don't remember a single encouraging word from a parent or elder, never mind encouraging toward post secondary. Just got thrown to the wolves in a 'figure it out, bud' type of manner, while simultaneously being jobless, on welfare and having incredibly low self esteem/thoughts of suicide. Just my own experience but some of my friends have had a similar upbringing and experience. I can't even remember the last time someone gave me any kind of compliment or encouragement, and you can't even think about higher ed when its like that. I didn't even have time to think about post secondary, frankly.

[@0doublezero0]

Hence the term "burden of performance," which is something women don't have to experience nearly to the same extent as men.

[@Scratcherzzz]

“Thrown to the wolves, it’s all on you bud.” That’s how we are treated true but is made me stronger. Not saying it’s right.

[@sdrc92126]

I was very active discouraged from studying computers by my parents - to the point of actual prohibition. And even by my hs guidance counselor. This was in the 80's before they were the cool thing. In fact, I don't think computers were very accepted by society until maybe myspace came along or around that time.

[@lawrenceexplains-onlineaca3242]

I agree that this is usually the case with men. It's assumed that men are 'independent', 'driven' and that society is set up for them to succeed. The reality is that men are churned out into the world without guidance in most cases and have to figure things out on the move. The reason that men historically have succeeded more than women is largely because there is no other choice. No man has ever had the option to 'settle down and have a family' as a career choice as women have. As a man you have to go out into the world and make things happen - not just for a few years, but for your entire life. I don't resent this but this path does require guidance and preparation which I believe is currently lacking.

[@FollyOx]

Same experience, different life. Yet we are demonised and told we have "privilege"

[@Arnaere]

Then: "Men dominating college. Women suffering." Now: "Men dropping out of college. Women suffering." Get outta here.

[@GGg-sr3ph]

It’s a fuckin meme dude. It’s all a big joke. “We have to end the wage gap!” “There is not enough economically attractive men!” It’s all a big ole joke. They ruined society because a bunch of neurotic women bitched moaned and whined about a bunch of stuff they didn’t even want in the end. Ridiculous.

[@jakeowens1770]

muhahaha

[@conormccormack7841]

@@GGg-sr3ph General George S Patton, "We fought the wrong enemy"

[@jameskingcodes]

women wake up and decide to suffer lmao

[@Bell1cross]

Lol, my hero!

[@StimParavane]

I did a manufacturing engineering degree at Uni and it was a quality course. However, the idea that anyone with a liberal arts degree is more "educated" than a man with a skilled trade is laughable.

[@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider]

a teamsters union card carries more value than a liberal arts degree.

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

Being able to " find the area under a curve", doesn't allow you to get "move curves". Trades.. . The way to achieve freedom.

[@davidsellers3639]

But they run a jaw

[@marcushoward6560]

But, ironically, the teamsters union has also played a significant role in pushing the politicians that pushed the policies that pushed academia into the toilet. @@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider

[@chipcook5346]

I agree with you. No kidding. Sincerely, An English major.

[@memeticmindset5474]

I'm a LEO, doing my best to be the kind of cop you're happy to see arrive when it goes wrong. I didnt go to university. I don't need the validation and called BS on it early on. My 2 best friends both studied engineering, got a 2:1 grade. I make decent money, not the kind you see online but slightly more than most my age. One of my buddies makes the same as me in IT, the other makes minimum wage at a warehouse. Didn't help them or hinder me at all. They should, theoretically, make much more than I do. It's frankly offensive that they got into debt for no real roi

[@buddermonger2000]

I mean, realistically, they got good degrees. I do wonder what happened to them

[@md1trk]

I work in a University in the UK where 64% of the students/graduates are women. Despite this there are University-wide programmes to get more women into STEM, engineering bursaries for women only, and a pervasive narrative that women are still fighting for 'equality'. In subjects where the cohort is approximately 80% women (Primary education for example), there are no comparable incentives to get more men to pursue these degrees (at least not in my University). This is not an accident. It's a by-product of institutional capture.

[@TheAcad3mic]

Its not a surprise. At no point in history, ever, have men been, or needed to be, pushed or incentivised to do anything. Even in the extreme case of warfare with a draft men aren't "encouraged", they're commanded or demonised for NOT doing it where they've even had a choice. What we're seeing these days is the first instances of men being outright demonised at a societal level spurred on by the feminist lie that men were ever held up by and large. So no wonder men are just refusing to do anything other than the bare minimum to survive in society, and we'll all suffer for it sadly.

[@linksvexier9272]

Exactly the same here in New Zealand universities, students and staff are 60% women but still there new programs for promoting women. In a recent report on the wage gap it was stated the reason the physiology department had a 80% women staff was because of personal preferences but in another part of the same report 75% men staff in the engineering school was due historical discrimination. It's a psychosis that can't even be broken by facts.

[@seiwarriors]

Honestly being in a law degree even have more women than men. There is me and two more dudes in a seminar of 12. 9 chicks and only 3 or 2 guys in a group. Tf has the world gone. 😂

[@adammada511]

There's never been a patriarchy in recent history, it's ALWAYS been a matriarchy. It's the only thing that explains the immense bias women have in our world. Every single thing caters to women and often at the expense of Men. Think marriage, alimony, child custody, only Men get drafted to fight wars, then think of all the societal etiquette when you're out and about; Be a gentleman and give up your bus seat for the lady, Men must always pay for dinner, Men must always pay for any date, Men must slave work 50 hours a week to support a women who watches TV most of the day, Men's issues are laughed at and the Man is mocked whereas Women's issues are fervently looked after. There's 100 more examples but you get the point, we live in a female bias world OBVIOUSLY. So we live in a Matriarchal society.

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

@@adammada511 The hand that rocks the cradle trains the world.

[@princessmarlena1359]

My twin brother refused to go to college, and rightfully so. He said he felt like “a pilgrim in an unholy land” and that “being forced to go to school by law until age 18 was bad enough”. Schools are just anti-male gulags, and the whole education/academic system is also anti male, so they avoid that viper’s nest.

[@pbonfanti]

"A pilgrim in a unholy land." Awesome, this explain perfectly what is being a man in a gynocentric society.

[@20thCenturyfan1701]

"My boy, we are pilgrims in an unholy land." -Henry Jones Sr.

[@Sforza1987]

Same here, going to college was a nightmare, and a huge waste of time/money. They're NPC factories and indoctrination centers.

[@typehere6689]

Managed to find one that focuses on skills. Yay.

[@juliusquasar1565]

You and your twin brother are both correct.

[@82dorrin]

"Men going broke, lacking education opportunities, ending up homeless and suicidal. Women most affected"

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

"Meteor hits Pluto, women most affected."

[@brandy4530]

You aren’t the only one who is confused. I have three boy, and I was really expecting a productive conversation here. Instead I get a rant about how women are too educated, and won’t “date down.”

[@florianb3935]

It's because of political correctness: if you suggest any change to the situation that could affect women negatively, then such change would be unacceptable. So you have to first find an angle to frame the situation as bad for women, then argue for some change.

[@bryanprillwitz2394]

​@brandy4530 OK, 4 the wonderful "Dr Candy" u had to be a big guy who got his PhD. before 30. I don't see much complaining.

[@LukionSmith]

​@@florianb3935 Yeah, like alimony. Women has no problem milking men for that via the government. Then, when some rich women had to pay their ex husbands alimony, suddenly the conversation about how alimony was unfair came up (in some US states). Funny, that. 😏

[@z0tw]

2024 viewer here. It is funny how colleges don't see why young men are leaving. #1 It is too expensive. #2 You aren't guaranteed a job out of college any longer. #3 Bachelor Degrees are too common, you need a Masters Degree now to stand out from the rest of the field during the hiring process. #4 The Education system sucks regardless. #5 You have to pay the first 2 years of college learning nothing that pertains to the degree you are working towards, which proves that High School is corrupt as it stand as you had to take core classes back then without an idea of what you wanted to do most of the time. #6 Most young people don't know what the hell to do with themselves after High School and a good sum of those either don't go to college immediately and delay it, attend and then drop out midway or just don't go altogether. #7 Male discrimination. #8 Woke teachers. #9 No courses worth taking at a college instead trade school have actual courses that will lead to immediate work after finishing.

[@justadudebrowsin5807]

I had this moment a few years ago where I remember checking out the notice board for activities going on. I saw scholarship offers exclusively for women, celebrate women in stem, women's only activity groups (various), support women's bball etc., and safe spaces for women to talk to other women. There was not a single general activity on the board (at that time), and nothing for men. It really made me feel out of place. I only wish I had taken a picture of that board that I saw that day.

[@TheHipsterGamer]

When I was at the University of Houston I saw posters for a communist organization on campus with Che Guevara on the cover of the posters, I suspect the club was real and serious.

[@salometipsandtricks2786]

Have it ever occurs to you that it was a woman who cared enough to start it. You could have started a bball for men too siting you don't see one for boys and would like to.

[@justadudebrowsin5807]

@@salometipsandtricks2786 No, men only events get taken down for discrimination. They make a big deal out of title 9 when it comes to that. This is largely true for most college campuses.

[@shmataboro8634]

Justin Wright, sometimes I think its a plot to keep young women so busy that they don't have time to think, or to listen to their hearts. When they think a d listen to their hearts they are inclined to want to marry real capable men,, make a home for their husband, make babies with him, and stay home to raise their own family instead of putting them in government daycare. Universities seem to work really hard at trying to keep women from dropping out. I think it's a control thing.

[@chilliecheesecake]

@@salometipsandtricks2786 Any time men start something that's strictly for other men, women inevitably demand that they be included or else they'll cry "discrimination"

[@cricket12ish]

i think once the general population found out that you cant wipe away student loans through bankruptcy is when alot of people started thinking about college differently.

[@0doublezero0]

Combine that with the fact that federal loans keep doling out money like candy when universities ask. You create degrees worth far too much than the jobs they are meant for.

[@elenabob4953]

And add the fact that if you are an white male you have toxic oppression in you. Sorry but you must be mad to take a loan to suffer this oppression each day.

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

the increasing complexity of the financial rules/system and total lack of financial education in grades 1 to 12 is creating massive incentive distortions the whole system has slowly become a scam

[@amaurys93]

@@0doublezero0 suddenly all those liberal arts degrees have far less meaning. Sorry folks, I’m glad I dropped out. I’m sad I went.

[@RogerBarraud]

@@amaurys93 Like they ever meant anything...

[@dwightmanne]

The worse part is.... Many women feel empowered by these useless degrees that they are crushing in debt but look down their nose at blue collar men. The man could be making six figures while she's in six figures debt but she somehow thinks she's better than him. And refuses to "date down"

[@sofypi7493]

o so now that women can get them they are useless but before when women couldn't get an education they were necessary... try again man and the debt thing... anyone that go in college in america regardless of their sex is probably going to be in dept . it's not the 1 revers u think it is

[@daboss6614]

@@sofypi7493 No he’s right, college degrees in general are completely useless except for a few STEM ones, and except for nursing, women always go for the useless ones like humanities and liberal arts, that’s why y’all are still stuck with 100k debt years after graduation lol

[@raiklaub975]

@@daboss6614 And that's why they also demand that the state should pay them the tuition fees. The state? No, the blue collar man should pay them with his taxes for their senseless and man-hostile gender studies, so that they later insult the men with their ideological unscientific gender and critical-sth. crap

[@zacharyradford5552]

The sad thing is the snobs don’t realize the blue collar jobs are WAY WAY more important than any white collar job. Take away white collar with a snap of your fingers people would go where did they go then keep moving. Blue collar society would collapse in half year. No government officials, no CEOs vs No construction workers, electricians, plumbers, farmers, ranchers, fishermen, lumberjacks.

[@xamael1989]

@@sofypi7493 Majority of women take useless degrees buried in debt and can get a job there ine worki g at Starbucks as barista masters degree in gender studied hahahaha best of luck in your endeavour and even those taking stem most of them drop out i don't know why

[@geometerfpv2804]

I think this coincides with the stats showing young men are leaning conservative. College told men they were the problem...so men are leaving. In the end, only people who intend to build a career doing hard intellectual work should be going to college anyway. So many of the degrees are easy and pointless.

[@sebsebski2829]

Men are dropping out of college, and women are most affected. Says a lot about society and how men IMO are treated like second-class citizens.

[@flyingturret208thecannon5]

“Women are most affected by war” was roughly the basis of a quote by Hillary Clinton.

[@marcmeinzer8859]

If there are no men at college half the women will lose their entire reason for being there, which is to get their Mrs degree.

[@Nazarene_Judaism]

3rd class if you are a certain colour

[@MrMakan1]

I'm a male with two Master's degrees and 3 bachelor's degrees and I'm here to tell you, sooner or later women have to recognize that educational acheivement doesn't determine the worth of the man nor whether he'll be good to you. I have friends that are working class males that are good to their families and on almost every standard a better human than I am. They don't teach Better Human 101 in colleges.

[@MajesticFerret]

European? Only way to afford all those gajillion degrees, not to mention most employers would view that many degrees as a red flag. And in Europe, I don't think having a degree is the status symbol it is in the US, not to mention most European countries pay quite a bit less for most degreed positions.

[@petrusbarbatusberolinensis2102]

Oh but they do. It’s called DEI! 😂

[@reharl4953]

​​@@MajesticFerret I had two Bachelor's and the better part of a Master's by the time I retired out of the military. Tuition Assistance covers all undergraduate courses.

[@grahamjacob97]

My first question is why? It's not a criticism, I did an engineering degree, did very well and work as an engineer. But the idea of having done a degree and then another, and another? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy learning and there are not too many days when I don't learn something useful. But I also forget all the stuff I'm not using too - and you really can't use all the knowledge you've gained directly - only indirectly in as much as it allows you to take the next step.

[@nothanks3236]

@@grahamjacob97 He got them while serving in the military since he can get military financial assistance to pay for all the classes - and not have mountains of student loan debt later.

[@freedomring3022]

I started college to get a degree in computer programming. After I realized that nearly 90% of the classes they made you take had nothing to do with actual programming I left school behind. Fast forward to today, with no degree, I make well over $100k per year developing software. Meanwhile, I have "friends" who have masters degrees that try to shame me for not having a degree. This person tried to actually ridicule me for not having a degree, until I said, ok, you show me your paycheck and what you have in savings and I'll show you mine and we'll see who is doing better to test your theory that you need a degree to be successful.

[@hollisticbomber2660]

This comment section is just a bunch of men slagging of women and bragging to each other… it’s like a gay bar in here.

[@freedomring3022]

@@hollisticbomber2660 and here you are.

[@negativebeast7685]

In fact, you are ridiculing your 'friend' as well, because your measuring success purely from a monetary standard. If your friend has a masters degree, they had to complete a dissertation. They had to do countless research into a new (or further into an existing) topic of study. What your friend could have done, is devised a numerous number of improvements that you are either implementing yourself or using yourself. Success should not be valued by money alone. Of course, you can assume you are successful using your own social metrics, but if we are looking for a bigger picture, your friend may have added more value to the entire field of programming, than you have. I don't know either of you, so I won't assume, however I don't think shaming each other and ridiculing each other (exactly what you both are doing) is good for your 'friendship'.

[@freedomring3022]

@@negativebeast7685 no not ridiculing. Just responding to his asinine statement that somewhere you’re better because you stayed in school longer.

[@negativebeast7685]

​@@freedomring3022 So now your disregarding his success? And assuming your success is the only valid one in regards to your friendship? And indeed, he may be better than you in many regards, he may understand more complex ideas better than you, he may be able to develop software dedicated to providing specific solutions from equations. A defense system programmer cannot be swapped out for a html programmer. Especially because most computer courses require good mathematical and arithmetic knowledge, as well as further strengthen this - your friend may be more useful to mathematicians or scientists as he would be more able to implement more complex ideas etc. Of course, I don't know your background and your former comment only says "developing software' which doesn't tell me much. Overall, you are right, the fact your friend stayed in school longer can indeed make him better in different areas. Take Penrose v Plumber. Penrose is a genius, spent many years in academy, devised many important theories. A plumber does not need school, does not need a degree, and he knows how water systems work etc without having to go through fluid mechanics equations. But does that mean that the plumber is better than Penrose or vise versa? Not necessarily, but in my example any reasonable person would suggest Penrose would be a 'better' person in regards to all his degrees, but maybe just an amateur plumber. But it doesn't change the fact he has extensive knowledge of a lot more subjects, ideas and topics than a plumber.

[@dawnhopkins5746]

I am a university prof, married 21 years to a firefighter. I am more educated but he is my intellectual equal. Education and IQ are not the same thing. Hell, my colleagues are so dumb sometimes, I want to leave my job.

[@mrbill2600]

Education and IQ pale when compared to common sense. If and when the electrical power is turned off, three-quarters of mankind will be dead in six months.

[@Redmanticore]

if you were a real university prof woman, you would be ecstatic that women are finally getting all university positions and by that all government positions. that slowly women gain all powerful elite positions in society and men lose them. you would think that is based.

[@lgndunt]

THANK YOU! I'm glad someone brought real world evidence to the "education =/= intelligence" topic.

[@peanutnukle]

Awesome

[@mafp22w]

Why would any guy want to marry a university professor? That baffles me.

[@BlueSkyCountry]

The reason is simple. There is no incentives for young men to put themselves through college today. Guys used to finish college in hopes of getting the salary job, and the big house and car in order to support a family. Now, most men realize that they will never be able to start a family, so why bother pulling yourself through 4 years when I can drive a floor zamboni at the local mall and make enough to live comfortably by myself?

[@christoph3187]

Not to mention the enormous risk marriage has become; you could literally lose EVERYTHING, your kids, the family, the house and possessions because of some short lived infatuation or emotion she has.

[@anotherdedchannel]

​@@christoph3187I think alot of women just don't realize how much that means to us. Like yes I don't want to lose the little money I do have, after working 10 years at 40k a year hard labor to have this small amount saved. So yes, the idea of being able to lose half of it is of utmost importance.

[@ab3240]

@@anotherdedchannel You can get a prenup for anything you earned/saved/bought/etc prior to the marriage. I don't understand the fear mongering around the whole divorce thing.

[@antonioalonso2986]

That's It!! If there is no motivation, as there's no marry material out there, consecuently there's no challenge that's payed off. If there is no family to support, single men need way less resources to be survive and be happy. It could have serious implications in the future, as may be a GDP regression.

[@BlueSkyCountry]

@@antonioalonso2986 As individuals, we have no obligations to "help" society or worry about it's future. Yourself comes first. Everything else? It is what it is.

[@gm9460]

The response of “if it is 2:1 - all you have to do is get in” proves he wasn’t listening to the previous things Chris said. Being in college isn’t enough for those women. A 5’5” guy in college doesn’t have to “just get in” and then get a choice between two women. They still ignore him

[@coshvjicujmlqef6047]

yep. It only increases the ridiculous standard of women.

[@keith4826]

All those girls are swiping on tinder looking for the dudes over 6 feet tall

[@quiddity131]

Agreed, the lack of any attention to physical attraction which if anything is far more important to women at that age is considerably naïve. It also ignores the fact that it is very easy for a woman to simply date a guy from another college with a better male/female ratio. Or date a guy who already graduated.

[@Incab]

Yet it's only men who care about looks. lol

[@howardrichburg2398]

Word!

[@charlesbrown6581]

Fourty years ago when I went to college, we were told you go to college to learn how to learn. Employers hired people with liberal arts degrees because these people were SMART. They read books and could learn new things. Colleges today don't mold critical thinkers, but indoctrinate their students into the professors beliefs which they reward with grades and degrees. Employers who hire these students have a difficult time training them in their jobs. You might as well hire someone off the street with no college and are eager to learn.

[@PV1230]

unfortunately, Griggs vs Duke Power (1971) screwed over employers. it should be reversed.

[@palmereldritch_6669]

That sounds like a pretty weak sweeping generalization. In fact, most employers prefer people who have a a degree, outside of blue collar jobs.

[@drakoan]

which generation is doing most of this again?

[@spoonman9584]

@@palmereldritch_6669 Unfortunately true. I wish I could just do an apprenticeship like the old days and work under a programmer or network engineer and just learn on the job, but NOPE. Got to get that degree. Seriously though. The degree that isn't really as good as a certificate, but now companies are essentially indoctrinated to think that a degree is valuable in that regard. But then again, I'm conflicted on that even, as I see the pros and cons, but unfortunately I feel there's more cons than pros.

[@frankkk855]

@@spoonman9584 That is only true for technical degrees. Liberal arts degrees have no value

[@dennisgauck7526]

Why waste the money and time when there is a raging bias against men by colleges and employers?

[@zedrockiby]

I just graduated with a Law degree and it was a complete waste of 4 years. Learnt absolutely nothing and every single person was an insane political/woke/feminist tyrant.

[@ganthc]

Why don’t you pass the bar, and open up a practice to help men in a legal profession? You can help them not get savaged in divorce.

[@zedrockiby]

@@ganthc Too many more interesting things to pursue, but that's a good shout!

[@thescooterbrown]

Studying IT and we doing more theory than practical smh

[@ang3l1018]

How you didn't learn a thing ?

[@zedrockiby]

@@ang3l1018 Because I very rarely turned up. Everything just ended up in my short-term memory purely for exams. I genuinely don't remember a thing now that I'm done!

[@kristianlavigne8270]

University is just Kindergarten for adults at this point.

[@prachetasnayse9709]

Bruh someone will 100% steal your comment and put it as the title of their video xD

[@meijiishin5650]

Imagine thinking that education is bad.

[@prachetasnayse9709]

@@meijiishin5650 well, I don't know if its bad or not, but its surely looking like a business being run by incompetent managers.

[@meijiishin5650]

@@prachetasnayse9709 Tell me you're 17 without telling me you're 17.

[@prachetasnayse9709]

@@meijiishin5650 I am 27 though...

[@jessicamiller746]

Men dropping out of college just tells me that they are not going into debt with student loans. My dad was working class and he made more that a lot of college graduates I knew. And he had very little debt. He was also able to raise a family of six on one income because he had no debts.

[@loganwilliams6589]

That’s so true, hello 👋

[@marinavasquez8813]

Agree

[@done1961]

Educated women do not want to date blue collar men though

[@jessicamiller746]

@@done1961 then don’t date educated women.

[@loganwilliams6589]

Jessica Miller hello dear

[@Arai503]

Imagine claiming to be an equity movement while simultaneously being more concerned about your narrative being threatened by reality.

[@annademo]

As the mother of 3 sons, I can attest to the fact that exalting girls over boys in the government schools has been the norm for 15 years now.

[@selenophile5256]

It happens in the middle east too. Is the middle east too woke now ?

[@annademo]

@@selenophile5256 The middle east exalts girls over boys? Really?

[@selenophile5256]

@@annademo no, just that girls perform better than boys in middle school, due to earlier puberty

[@annademo]

@@selenophile5256 middle school or middle east?

[@I_am_Raziel]

@@JohnSmith-sj2dk That's the "equality" that has been created.

[@ritasicari7518]

And, many of these women, when they get into the workforce, are disillusioned and unhappy with the grind and are quitting the jobs they were told they should want by feminists.

[@shmataboro8634]

Rita Sicari- yes! Because the feminists have been lying to us from day one. Alas!

[@MrKrushgutz]

I’m surrounded by bitter women at work.

[@jesseostone386]

Jobs in and of themselves are unfulfilling to the psychological makeup of females. Yes, we enjoy working, but we also have other societal pieces of the pie that should be nurtured to be well-rounded, successful, peaceful individuals.

[@ritasicari7518]

@Lisa Bell I think trades are a bit different. There is a satisfaction that comes from making/fixing/completing something that you don't get working an office/retail, etc. type job. There is usually a tangible result to a trade job, unlike many other jobs that just seem like a never ending grind.

[@rensha8635]

I’m sure just as many men feel disillusioned and unhappy by what they were sold as being the masculine role of breadwinner too. Daily grind is daily grind.

[@dragonhoard9371]

I quit college at year 3 on a 4 year. Best thing college did for me was expose the scam of education. Went back to welding work for myself.

[@RogerBarraud]

Nice rationalization, Bro.

[@_Cartographer_]

Unless you're doing an eng degree or plan to go to a professional school (med, law) afterwards, college is shit.

[@sidecharacter7165]

@@_Cartographer_ I mean women can use it to ride off high earning(or potentially high earning) men.

[@typehere6689]

If only skilled assembly work pays well where I live.

[@johnfisher8401]

@@_Cartographer_ theres plenty of other useful degrees that you didnt care to list.

[@danksalt5935]

I worked the same job, same rank, same paycheck with college graduates at a warehouse. The social and economic value of a college degree dropped significantly in the last 5 years.

[@cynthiaparker6901]

Interesting conversation. I am over 60 and female. When I went to college (decades ago), it was "clear" that having a degree was going to give me an advantage. HOWEVER, the cost for my college education was...FREE. At that time, in NYC, the City Colleges were free for men and women. There was no concern about having an enormous debt at the time of graduation. In other areas of the country, the cost was significant, but nothing like it has become. Colleges these days, as you have noted, are no longer in the business of education. I won't be surprised if, over time, numbers start to decline for women as well.

[@morpheus9137]

It also cost you 4 years at a critical juncture in your life, ok if you got good training and advice at low cost, its debateable if modern education does this.

[@barrysheridan9186]

A good point Cynthia.

[@kfreedom470]

Damn hard to see college being free in NYC, a place that is shitton expensive

[@cynthiaparker6901]

@@morpheus9137 Agreed.

[@shadowfox933]

When I went to college, the total price for one year came out to being roughly equal to the total cost my parents paid for their entire postsecondary education. That isn't inflation; that's highway robbery

[@willmurray7045]

"We are in a higher education bubble" - Peter Thiel. Bubbles always pop in the end, and it seems we're going full speed towards it.

[@bobleglob162]

can't wait to see it.

[@hornetguy9063]

Bob LeGlob next time republicans control legislative and executive branches (if that ever happens again), they should straight up kill the student loan program. Let’s see what happens when schools have to lend out their own endowment $ to finance their student’s education. Maybe some students will think differently when they see that their student loan balance will be $100k at 24% APR

[@jrtaylor1275]

What exactly is a higher education bubble?

[@bobleglob162]

@@jrtaylor1275 I would say it's a situation where prices (tuition) are highly inflated and the product (college degree and the university experience in general) are not nearly worth the price and the students are heavily leveraged (in debt). Much like in the housing crisis, it is perpetuated by easy money in the form of loans and grants, and government facilitation of these loans and grants. This creates high demand for attending college so in response, universities raise prices. Eventually people will realize it's a rip off, can't pay back their loans and will stop putting their money into the univ. system. the bubble will burst or deflate.

[@jasong5094]

The trouble with college today is that they've convinced everyone that nearly every career requires a degree. It used to be that people only went to a university for a high-level discipline, i.e. attorney, doctor, engineer etc. Now there are so many degree programs out there that are at best unnecessary and at worst utterly useless. I think men are just wising up to this fact, and are opting to avoid taking on a massive amount of debt just so they can get an entry level job that doesn't pay very much.

[@RazorM97]

Indeed! We go there to study not fk. Anyways

[@bikerrich1200]

Education creep. Back when a high school diploma was worth something, that was sufficient for most except for the learned professions.

[@moosehead482]

a long time ago, companies would hire you right out of high school and TRAIN YOU for the job as long as you were reasonably intelligent and willing to work. And over time, you usually rose up in the company. Now, almost no company will hire you without at least a Bachelor's Degree, even if you are an idiot, and they expect you to have 5 years of experience to boot. Men are tired of the corporate rat race and the woke politics involved. Trade jobs cannot be easily offshored like so many white collar jobs...

[@mbogucki1]

@@bikerrich1200 A long time ago you could fix a car with a monkey wrench and ductape. Now you need to be an electrician and programmer.

[@mbogucki1]

@@moosehead482 No, but trades can be easily automated.

[@kmac6523]

I’m gonna take a stab in the dark before watching the video and say they don’t want men to completely abandon universities so they have someone to blame for their problems.

[@pawemaliszewski9324]

If the goverment(s) will not take men problems seriously and encourage men to be more productive / responsible, everyone will be down bad. Women can talk big all they want, but they will never be able to maintain infructructure and basic utilities. Never.

[@moriscondo5511]

when I was in college, I had to take a sociology class. It was lame. The professor was an older lesbian lady who literally hit on the girls (subtly) in class and would compliment them in cringy ways and belittle the men who didn't conform with her opinions. The class was also just that: opinions. Sociology is NOT a science, and that kind of sums up that part of my college experience.

[@Steve-ht5yi]

That is interesting. My Sociology professor back in the 90's was also a lesbian. She made vile comments about men along with the usual marxist idiocy that this "science" is composed of.

[@rhuiden4086]

Lesbo Sociology prof are like the dregs of humanity 😂

[@UmarWazir]

Would it be accurate to say the subject matter of sociology is covered better by, say, industrial psychology?

[@varieedeventualii]

​@@UmarWazir history, economics, philosophy... there you go, they cover the same stuff but much more in depth. Sociology it's just a mishmash of stuff.

[@JewTube001]

@@UmarWazir psychology doesn't really work at all because it's inside an individual's mind. sociology is more of a study of how people are and outwardly so. in that regard sociology and psychology only overlap in a very small way.

[@TheJoshman01]

Its even worse when you take into account that of the 40 something percent of men who do make it to collage, not all of them graduate, and of course they flunk out far more often than women. Its not just collage either, boys are failing and dropping out in record numbers in K through 12 as well. Our education system is failing our young men and boys.

[@Cyrus992]

Yet still make far more than women do overall

[@mfawls9624]

Actually, our universities are failing our young women. More and more young men are skipping college, that's not failure. Society is failing our young men by 'valuing' pieces of paper awarded for meaningless subjects and failing to value the work that allows young women to drive their automobiles on highways to buildings that have comfort systems that allow vourses to be taught in heat, cold, darkness, etc. Imagine a world without men and the results of their work. ...I guess it'd have nice curtains?

[@Patrick-857]

Good. The education system is rotten to the core and damages people's minds.

[@SnerMerNer]

If you think it's bad at collage, you should see that stats on murals.

[@Patrick-857]

@mfawls9624 Exactly. Women are being conned. They have been lured in by the prestige of a degree, but that degree is emptyvand worthless now, and what they are taught will damage their ability to live a fulfilling life. Men are increasingly choosing not to buy into the scam, because we are practical.

[@sebastianwetherbee9465]

I'm an archaeologist and I've had to do a lot of schooling, and It's crazy how empty a lot of college curriculum are even at the graduate level. Part of the postmodern ideology within the humanities is that facts/objectivity/positivism are considered colonial/patriarchal concepts. You'll hear history professors say things like "I don't care if you memorize the dates, as long as you get the gist of it." Every paper needs to have some modern crusade shoehorned in, and grading undergraduate papers will teach you that a lot of students can barely string a sentence together, but professors still give them passing grades. Archaeologists in anthropology departments usually can't break down the period they study in detail from memory, can't recognize artifacts easily, and most of their publications are critical deconstructions of the work done by researchers in previous decades. Classics professors often consider their own discipline to be racist because it puts a special emphasis on the classical world over other cultures. To be too focused on reconstructing historical facts means you're an outdated "culture-history" guy, who is too dull to make their work relate to modern ideological conflicts. Attempts to explain how cultures change across time or how civilizations develop gets called problematic, because how dare you assume there's a path from primitive to advanced? Terms like "simple societies" or "complex societies" are considered offensive because they sound too judgy. Some people even think the word "prehistoric" is offensive. But I don't want to give up the discipline to the post-modernists. Subjects like history, anthropology, archaeology and classics are really valuable, if you can find a way through all the wokeness. We need new academic institutions where these subjects can be brought back to life. They're not pragmatically useful in the way engineering or medicine are, but they still have value.

[@owenhenry400]

Please don't put black people history and problems in all the this white Europeans system we didn't start this but are being used by white culture .

[@MephiticMiasma]

"a path from primitive to advanced" .... well, nothing says there isn't a path from advanced to primitive...

[@PennPearson]

A fascinating and very disturbing comment.

[@fireandiron4181]

As a current male college student who was turned away from the Humanities by the exact thing that you are describing, I could not agree more. I love history, especially antiquity. It is one of my major passions, I spend a lot of my free time consuming as much information about that period of world history as I can. My friends all jokingly call me a history nerd, because I am always trying to talk about it with them lol. But I would never pursue any kind of historical studies in college. The feminists and LGBTQ blue hair types have thoroughly infected the humanities departments, so deeply that I don't know that we will ever be able to get rid of them. Every single humanities class has devolved into moral crusades against men, against Christians, against Western Civilization as a whole.

[@danielserene4532]

I was an Anthropology/Sociology undergrad 19904 to 1998 and was professionally certified as an Archeologist in 1996. All of my professors in both fields and my English professors warned of the coming woke wave and gave lectures on postmodernism and how destructive it could be. However, at the time, I just could not conceive of how it all would turn out. Last year I tried to go back and start my master's in education. It was so woke that I just could not do it. I lasted two weeks.

[@ludeman]

My Ex was so mad that I would not pay for my son to go to University, I did however pay for for electrician trade school and now his first year is making 80K

[@beowulf_of_wall_st]

excellent fathering sir

[@urphakeandgey6308]

People never understood why I was against college so much, until what I said came true: "Would you rather be poor and in debt, or just poor???"

[@elias_xp95]

Debt is over rated, rack it up, declare bankruptcy, wow, debt gone

[@josephcassano6296]

@@elias_xp95 but you can’t declare bankruptcy over college debt...

[@elias_xp95]

@@josephcassano6296 US? lol sucks to be you. In the UK you don't pay anything back until you earn over 21k a year and even then it's only 6% of your salary.

[@josephcassano6296]

@@elias_xp95 Yep. That’s the United States for you. Europe is superior in many ways, you guys get a much more specialized education and many European nations even have free education.

[@josephcassano6296]

@@elias_xp95 and to be quite honest, if I got a degree in Europe and grew up there, I wouldn’t quite care about the transferability of degrees and credentials from Europe to the United States because I simply would never leave Europe.

[@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284]

I'm a mother of a daughter and a son. My husband and I discouraged our son from going to college (he had the brain for it, but not the temperament) and encouraged our daughter to go - but only as far as it was free for her. Even back then we knew that tens of thousands of dollars in student loans would hamper her ability to mother her children as she saw fit. We had set aside the means for both of them, but we had to be realistic. Our daughter's a female. She doesn't have the brawn to earn a decent living with labor. But our son was an athlete with the mind of an engineer. Sure enough, the week after he graduated he had a job starting at $25 an hour as a machinist apprentice. A year later he'd found his bliss as a tower climber with a pay of $45 an hour plus overtime and a career path. Our daughter could NEVER have had such an easy time in the trades. Her only potential was with an education. Happily, she found her bliss as a SAHM and a part time realtor to supplement her husband's income - and she didn't bring debt with her into the marriage. And there it is. Our son could NEVER have married well and lived off his mate's salary while he maintained the home fires. I don't think it's that men are being driven away from colleges as much as they're finding better opportunities elsewhere. The reality is that men and women are different and they have different talents to offer society. If there really is a feminist panic about men not going to school it's only because this puts men out of reach of the emotional manipulation and brainwashing.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Your daughter didn't go into the right field. Nursing pays 100k, medicine, IT. I'm a woman made 75k. There's no feminist panic. We really don't care.

[@Daemon0014]

Your points about reasonably considering different paths to careers for your son and daughter are very good

[@1simo93521]

​@@wyleecoyotee4252yeah but are you married with children? Or are you late 30s 40s on your own?

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@1simo93521 I've worked my entire life. Before marriage, during marriage , and after divorce. Now I'm retired with a nice work pension.

[@jdraven0890]

And we need more ppl in the trades, and realistically as you said this is going to be men. Too many ppl were going to college "just because", wasting 4-5 years of their life AND getting in debt when they could have made money and been that many years along in their career.

[@outphoxed91]

I got a Psychology BA the first time I went to college. At first I thought it was cool because the classes had all the hottest chicks on Campus, but the guys in the classes were dorks... myself included. I noticed that those women would still date the athletes, or business majors instead of the guys they shared class with... That was a hard life lesson.. I ended up going back to college to get a Software Engineering masters degree 5 years later

[@williamjacobs]

My daughter is getting a psych degree. I know the pay is terrible, but I expect that to improve soon. Every therapist is overbooked and anywhere supply cannot meet demand, the market will force the issue. I do wonder whether the science and math majors are over the 33% graduation rate. It may be a very sensible tactic that men are taking careers that pay well, and otherwise, go for vocational or informal training for the careers that don't pay well. Google Gemini confirms. In high paying careers, the ratio is reversed. 2:1 men:women, or better/worse. Major Median Pay Male:Female Ratio of Graduates Petroleum Engineering $147,600 79:21 Computer & Info Sys Mgmt $142,800 72:28 Industrial Engineering $132,800 76:24 Nuclear Engineering $129,100 80:20 Aerospace Engineering $128,200 76:24 Computer Science $126,800 71:29 Electrical Engineering $126,500 77:23 Mathematics and Statistics $122,100 66:34 Operations Research $121,900 78:22 Chemical Engineering $121,800 71:29

[@outphoxed91]

my bad, that was a typo lol@@leisureenjoyer1986

[@grahamjacob97]

LoL - My son did an engineering double degree and then did a BA so he could meet more girls ...

[@grahamjacob97]

@@leisureenjoyer1986 I did my degree at the Australian Maritime College, as you can probably guess about 95% male. Next door at the University of Tasmania (in Launceston) they specialised in nursing and teaching, environmental studies and stuff like that. In fact the engineering students at UTas had to leave after 2nd year and go to Hobart. Which left all the pickings to the guys at the AMC 😀😃😄 Except me .... I was already married (and 29 when I started my degree) but my wife joined the environmental crowd.

[@florianb3935]

​@@Cocoisagordonsetter Just being a therapist is not very useful, and is not going to be paid well, now or in the future (even less then, I'd think). Most therapists are totally useless. You have to be better than that. The market will adjust appropriately in the long run, and compensate "just therapists" very lowly. Just getting the degree is a lazy move. A degree is supposed to help you become great. If you're taking it only to secure a certain pay, you will be outdated very quickly. Don't go call it gender discrimination, it's a matter of difference between a lazy choice, and a choice of mastery, with the risk-taking that goes with it.

[@gglehteswhtemnAdChrstns]

Most Masters degrees are a minimum of two years and usually requires prior real life experience where you have to show how you can apply the knowledge from your Bachelor’s, however these days so many universities are so desperate for students that they will just accept you for your fees. It usually an “honours” or “cum laude” that is the extra year on top of your bachelors, but it’s still not equivalent to a masters degree.

[@phoenix5054]

“The only guys who wins are high performing men.” If by win you mean get married, then I’d rather not win.

[@phoenix5054]

@Gwapa snuna To emphasize that getting married is not necessarily winning? At least 66 guys agrees with me.

[@KhukuriGod]

They're winning in terms of sex. I doubt many of the desirable men will settle down since they have so many options.

[@andys149]

True, winning by sex, but all the laws are still stacked against them. The game can stop real quick with a single careless misstep. It's Russian roulette.

[@hmno1]

@Gwapa snuna what's the point of getting married?

[@Francis_UD]

I concur!

[@Hoffmanpack]

Us vet just dropped spring 2023, saw a professor with a nose ring, I dropped all classes immediately and am looking for a new school

[@HawkGTboy]

The answer isn’t to abandon college, the answer is to build our own parallel institutions.

[@beejcarson]

@@HawkGTboy What you are describing would be private school which will be always more expensive than public school and thus have few people in public school. And as you follow that math, it will inevitably populated at the admin lvl will have gone through public school and carrying what they learned in public school into the running of your parallel institution.

[@Sam-gc9yp]

Not if it completely online and actually lands employment

[@beejcarson]

@@Sam-gc9yp you will run into institutional bias against overly conservative online ‘schools’ will be seen by hr (which will be overwhelming staffed by liberal sorts) as less desirable because the people going through will more likely hold options and beliefs that could lead to my lawsuits. So in the name of avoiding potential lawsuits just not hire as many people from those conservative online institutions.

[@drbookie2169]

the dude is trying to learn, esp critical think and specialize in a feild to make money. Building his own paralel institutions is def going to require all the above first. Its basically maslows hierarchy of needs dude. Wouldnt you agree? @@HawkGTboy

[@laurat4977]

It's time for everyone - male and female - to reconsider college if it's going to put you in debt for decades and hamper your financial ability to buy a home and start a family. The system is screwing us.

[@flamestoyershadowkill]

some people think that its college or your destitute still.

[@SamSung-nf6tr]

College-educated people make 2x plus as non-college.

[@yeseniavaldez7506]

​@@SamSung-nf6tr Many high earners DONT feel or live what they are supposed to be affording--That loan DEBT is EATING away their income. Also, those people you are referring to are OLDER people in the workforce who have years of experience are (thus experienced based promotions or job upgrades when moving) AND from the PAST when college was not as expensive as it is today.

[@tonymaurice4157]

Useless classes waste of money and woke liberal agenda!

[@AndrewTheVikings]

Has anyone attended to trade schools?

[@smileychess]

I attended university for a couple years in my mid-twenties. Being a few years older allowed me to have a better perspective. The whole thing felt like adult daycare. Every class was an exercise in infantilization, where the standards were equivalent to freshman year in high school. So OF COURSE I dropped out!

[@addictionfree-n8w]

Ok , but question still stands , why would I invest myself in a society that hates me ?

[@michaelricketson1365]

We don’t hate you. We’re just extremely confused and somehow quite uppity about it.

[@XerxezsX]

Victim mentality 👌👌👌 what would you push your son to do, then do that for yourself 👌

[@Destrudo5359]

jus leave earth then

[@addictionfree-n8w]

judging your profile , kinda funny a terminally online tells me that

[@zeldagoblin]

But, it is very victim-y to say that. Look at the Asian community. They weren't exactly loved when they arrived, but now they're doing incredibly well. They got their heads down and worked. Now, they can hold up their middle finger at the country, yet they seem to remain detached from the emotion, somewhat humble and business like. Complaining that everyone hates you won't hurt those that hate you. Neither will dropping out. If will hurt yourself.

[@darbyheavey406]

Colleges are hostile to young men and the subjects that interest them. I went to college in my mid twenties andI was shocked how dumb college was.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

I've stopped dating woman that are in college or "educated". Their idea of a relationship is so foreign to me that there's nothing we have incommon. The basic assumptions in a relationship have to be debated and explained in order for that woman to accept her feminine role. They all want the masculine role for some reason and it's exhausting.

[@abdul4515]

Yeah, my mother told me that a woman who didn't go to college is lower value. That's bullshit. It's like women think that your preferences as a man are invalid and that the feminine perspective is always the correct one. If this shit doesn't change, the west will be no more.

[@laszlokiss483]

@@abdul4515 No men arent allowed to have a type or preferences thats "misogyny" 😂

[@SquashGuy02134]

@@abdul4515 Fuck the west. It's done nothing for me but dangle carrots in front of me before snatching them away my whole life. Let it all burn down.

[@redrocket8062]

They see that Chad has it all and so they want to be Chad. Problem is no straight man actually wants to bang Chad.

[@Okami33]

@@abdul4515 A lot of women don't understand what men want in a mate. Instead, they project their standards onto men thinking that men value the same characteristics.

[@toastecmo]

My plumber told he decided to learn a trade after he left the US Army. He went into a 2 year apprentiship and is now earing close to 6 figures with a long career ahead of him. He has no debt except a new car and he just goty married and has a child. He is happy and he is one heck of a plumber!

[@saureco]

Women getting most degrees, pushing out men from society. Women most affected.

[@IainFrame]

My own daughter recently graduated from university and she still valued the *experience* of going there (despite the debt). By that I think it's the experience of getting away from parents and therefore breaking into adulthood. That made me think, does this actual represent a generation of young people changing from "somewheres" to "anywheres", in that we're going to have a majority of nomadic young people who no longer value home and family, but have been conditioned to value metropolitanism, careers, and hedonistic personal attainment?

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

Yes.

[@chrism8180]

I can say from personal experience, and my friends, "homes and families" are broken as hell and offer little stability

[@vknight7497]

@@chrism8180 commie policy is working as planned

[@chrism8180]

@@vknight7497 hey if they think it will work out, anybody who puts that much into a plan at least deserves to see some of it come to fruition before it all goes to hell

[@spracketskooch]

Even if you do value home and family, good luck being able to afford a house, or finding someone who is capable and willing to start a family. It seems to me that the economic aspect of the malaise so many young people experience is overlooked and understated. Why aim for something like owning property when it's almost literally impossible to acquire, especially if you start at the bottom of the ladder? Economic demoralization is a real thing.

[@Maturas]

I quit university after just a semester - I was studying Computer Science at a public university and it was just horrible, filled with obsolete knowledge, bad practices and tons of garbage. Fortunately I had previous programming experience, so a month later after quitting I landed a job in the IT industry. Now here I am, 3 years later, earning a good living, just got a mortage and bought a decent apartment. At the same time, the guys and gals of my age are barely getting their Bachelor's or Engineer's degrees.

[@paulthomas281]

@Maturas I feel like acknowledging your success and congratulating you.

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

It's worse than the 60-40 distribution would suggest. The more elite the set of schools the bigger that gap is. Dropping SAT and focusing only on GPA at competitive schools is making it worse still.

[@christopherpearce8876]

Bah... I taught my son years ago,, who was in the gifted school track, about debt and RoI. He saw how much college costs and what jobs were available. He decided it was in his best interest to pursue trade skills. He switched to an electrician program in high school and is pursuing his master electrician certification while he earns money as a journeyman. Bet he's better off at 25 than 90% of college kids with crap woke degrees and hundreds of thousands in debt.

[@Logan-jh5xn]

What’s Rol?

[@christopherpearce8876]

@@Logan-jh5xn Return on Investment

[@Iamchanceriley]

I understand your point here but you’re heavily discounting the opportunities college opens for certain degrees. The top quartile of electricians in 2020 made 75k, with the top 1% in the 100-110k range. Fields requiring degrees (especially finance, law, engineering, and medical) almost never top out. There are 30 year olds making 500k a year. It’s a toss up as to whether you want to work through it in the early years, but there’s no denying that both have their pros and cons. While lots of people today like to shit on college for the debt and discount the opportunities it provides. I graduated debt free and locked in a position with my firm with 0 experience making great money.

[@buddyschreizerden3611]

This starts earlier than college. The drop out rates from high school for men in Norway, where I am, is over 30%. So they can't even get into college. (And nobody is even talking about how many of these boys are from single families because that would be very un-pc) The 12 year education pre-college is also a decade long nightmare for many boys. Boring goal oriented rote-learning, mostly female teachers, no male role models and weekend fathers, a therapeutic ethic in the classroom, less practical subjects in the syllabus, rough & tumble play is forbidden, competition is taboo - everyone gets a medal now, cooperative group projects are forced on students and individual accomplishments get little attention... kids with high follow up on homework acheive statistically much higher, so working single parents loose out. Boys also are more active in gaming which sabotages the necessary neural pathways of delayed gratification that you need to stud well.. But in the end - parents are responsible for their kids success. Stay together, follow up school at home and both parents should engage with the teachers. And fathers should spend more time with their sons learning them how to sacrifice time and discomfort for delayed end goals and gratification. Boys also need a lot if sleep and exercise to function well in school and should be motivated and monitored accordingly. Also turn off your fricking router at 8 pm and stop staring at your phone in front of your kids. Etc... I could rant a whole book about the feminization of grades 1 through 12 and the marginalisation of typical boy's traits in their formative years. What do we end up with? Insecure, uneducated young incel men with low self esteem who exist in a downward spiral of feeling like failures. It really pisses me off!!!!

[@spracketskooch]

I dropped out of high school, and while my bank account may regret it, my soul certainly doesn't.

[@brettmoreton7548]

Well said Buddy! Totally agree, in Australia same thing. Tell my male students (Primary School) to go out and “rough and tumble” during breaks and lunch, so as they aren’t climbing the walls in class. They can’t tackle or wrestle!!! Not permitted?? They fight the system instead. Now the gender pronoun debate! Soon everyone will be gender neutral with purple hair! What is happening to society?

[@buddyschreizerden3611]

@@brettmoreton7548 what's happening? A very vocal minority have conquered the moral high ground by propagating very emotional and performative victim narratives. At the same time they have instantiated a system of exclusion for all those that don't walk in lockstep. Social or professional ostracisation, cancelling... One of the darkest terms in modern digital culture is "outing". Every tyranny is based on the loyalty=benefits, dissidence=outing followed by the necessary re-education. Most normal people don't agree with the radical cells inside the ruling institutions. The media, politicians and big-tech are covering for them whilst they do their damage. Conservatives, Christians, old school liberals and free-thinkers have to take the polite gloves off, and give these screaming adultbabies a proper spanking.

[@buddyschreizerden3611]

@@spracketskooch I always said to the drop-out kids, that giving up on the school system in its current form, is a sign of intelligence..

[@spracketskooch]

​@@buddyschreizerden3611 Well thank you, you're one maybe three people that I've ever heard say something like that.

[@Sausahgagutz]

"If you want to get laid go to college, if you want an education go to the library." -- Frank Zappa

[@princekermit0]

if you want to get laid at a college, most men will get tossed out for SA allegations 'cause it ain't like it was in Frank Zappa's freewheelin' days.

[@offthedeepend3996]

Colleges aren't even good places to get laid anymore either. The women all go for the top 10% of the men at the colleges and universities.

[@DEVS_VLTIMA]

@@offthedeepend3996 yep it’s how it is today.

[@Dragonfly_magictarot]

Lol 😂

[@tonymaurice4157]

Useless classes waste of money and woke liberal agenda!

[@FrankDonnachie]

Men go to colleges to build careers with an objective. It's no longer makes any sense when in an occupation you can be unfairly replaced by token people as political displacements. Industry and economy suffer in the long run.

[@LiLGouda.]

I don't blame men for not pursuing a traditional education, why go into debt and immerse yourself in an environment that says "you're responsible for all evil in the world" . I don't see this as a negative, these men might be pursuing development elsewhere and being educated in different ways. For tech nowadays u don't need a 2 or 4 year degree...if u can code or if u can show ur ability in the field, u can still find work.

[@sidecharacter7165]

Also, who would want to hire someone who is a trained activist likely to pull bs that hurts the company.

[@ang3l1018]

But they can say this because they are in power so they say what they want but if men outnumbered them the college wouldn't be able to say this

[@ang3l1018]

@Yeshua Is Lord When men are outnumbered they have to follow the majority to survive simple..

[@rebuffmcluff81]

I went totally against that norm and I’m probably in a minority, as I married a man who achieved a lower level of education, is not in a high flying career, earning 18k less then me, and he is shorter then me 😂. I married him because he is a good man, and his character is fair and aimed at encouraging the best in the people in his life, he is my collaborator in life.

[@rebuffmcluff81]

@@Lydia-Roe thank you, there are always alternative experiences to the norm / stats. Real life.

[@RomeliaGomez-Calmell7934]

@@Lydia-Roe Now she has 13 likes.

[@ndpendentresentment7806]

Congrats! Married to my soulmate for 18 years. Her and I started hanging at work and have simply never stopped hanging.

[@rebuffmcluff81]

@Frugal Investor the laughing emoji is referencing the full sentence ( not just the height), as all of those factors were discussed in the clip , statistically things women don’t go for, or don’t find attractive for a partnership. Maybe it’s an ill placed emoji, from a readers perspective. My main point was that none of that mattered to me.

[@GrimTheDestroyer]

@@rebuffmcluff81 it's still misleading

[@pjip]

Once everyone has something that was once hard to achieve but has become diluted, it no longer holds any of the same value as before.

[@gasphynx]

Hmm, are you shitting on college or hookup culture? Lol

[@hotdog6978]

holds value for the ones shaking down students

[@terrenord1222]

I’m an administrator at a top 25 world university so I know what I’m talking about. Unless you are getting a STEM degree, university is a waste of time. And investing that amount of money so you can get a date is a nonstarter.

[@Vkdennis87]

I dropped out of university after six weeks in 2005 because the school jerked me around and I was working 40 hours a week to keep a roof over my head, and I decided that because the job wasn't jerking me around and was paying me instead of me paying them, I'd just keep going there and stop going to school.

[@Hotbulldozer]

Men are walking away, from society, from the ladies. I was ready to start a family but all the ladies had turned into men, I can't find anyone that is wife material. I looked for 10 years, then I gave up and bought a sailboat. I will retire on my boat, sail and fish on the most amazing location's, I will be happy on my own because that's how I am, I don't need anyone like the ladies. They have nothing to offer me so I will take care of me, not them.

[@athenastasia]

It's a common problem since society is pitting men and women against each other. Too many women see men as oppressors, too many men just want to withdraw and play video games. Women feel that being a homemaker is akin to failure. Children are suffering. My husband was happy to meet me because I don't buy into that BS, I just wanted someone who would be there for me and our kids. We both work, sure, and we both have degrees, but personally a man's earning potential and education isn't the most important factor to me. I'd rather marry a poor guy who was enthusiastic about being a family man than someone who was out earning six figures. I don't really know a way forward, I just feel that men and women are both confused and the media and society are feeding them bad information. People are broken on both sides and there aren't a lot of men or women who are marriage material anymore. I'm so glad that I met the man that I did. He's someone who loves spending time with his family, what's better than that?

[@Meleeman011]

hope you have some good tales to tell when you're old dude. sail away

[@BitchChill]

I don't care for women when it come to relationships of both sexual and romantic, or dating. I'm realizing that this can be interpreted as me being gay, that's funny. Those things never truly appealed to me. I only wanted them in the past because that's what I've been told to want

[@louisratatoulielinson]

Lol

[@Hotbulldozer]

@Yeshua Is Lord I'm a born again christian, I was engaged with a girl that was a member of the salvation army, absolutely without doubt the worst human being I ever known. She and her mother was so horrible they delayed my own salvation 15 years by being bad ambassadors for the Lord.

[@Renegade_2023]

I was a special ed teacher for kids (mostly boys) who, for the most part, had no desire to go to college or even high school! My mantra to my students was to get a trade! "Good mechanics make as much as doctors" or "if you want to be a rap star, get something you can fall back on, bang nails!!! " at least you'll be able to put food on the table!" I came from a family where college was not encouraged! btw!Ii worked 3 jobs while attending night school to become a special ed teacher,Ii wanted to help kids not go through what I did!

[@badfasthefe]

I grew up at a daycare where we watched ALL of the disney movies, as a young boy i saw a stong morally just male protagonist who saved the princess. But turns out the girls in daycare werent in awe of the morally just prince. They were in awe of the fuckin castle and attention.

[@LDT2001]

This channel is a godsend. Most people in my high school were complete snobs who shoved college down our throats. I wouldn't be surprised if half of those guys ended up dropping out because I feel like most of those guys weren't meant for college but had it shoved down their throat, believed it, and fell into debt. I'm currently working my ass off to get into the air force and it's working, I just need to get past the processing and I'm pretty confident I'll make it in. College is not the only path, but they sure as hell make it seem like it.

[@brkbtjunkie]

I think you underestimate the media’s ability to suppress and devalue information they think is counter to their narrative.

[@ashmoleproductions5407]

The media is dying by the day and so are the boomers that give them power.

[@magnetcrusher1193]

When I was in medical school not long ago it was 60% female. 90% of the female medical students were single and 90% of the male medical students were married.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

The male students had a wife looking after them.

[@Oysters176]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Definitely makes school more bearable.

[@obelisk21]

I think a big part of this is men can find alternative careers, particularly in trades that allow them to have good-paying jobs without the burden of extreme educational debt. The avenue of trades-based jobs are pathways that most women are not willing to follow so they are stuck on this cycle of universities and debt.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

It's harder for women to break into trades, so they avoid it entirely

[@obelisk21]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 I think the reason women do not have more prevalent participation in trades is that even jobs like electricians and plumbers have elements of the job that involve physically demanding labour. I think they have equal opportunity and the potential to have equal skills but are disadvantaged in the physical aspects.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@obelisk21 They have equal opportunity for training but women aren't generally accepted in the trades. It is more physically demanding but so is nursing lifting and moving patients. I know of female electricians but it's not the norm.

[@obelisk21]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 I hear what you are saying but your example is for an environment where there are other nurses, orderlies, and even doctors who are available to assist with physically demanding tasks. HVAC techs may need to carry a furnace down steps to a basement, electricians need to carry reels of copper cable up and down steps, and plumbers may need to dig an 8 foot hole to get to a pipe leaking under a foundation of a house. These tasks are usually assigned to the apprentices and do not have much if any assistance in completing the task. The reason females aren't generally accepted in the trades in some cases, is that they require more assistance to perform these types of tasks making everyone's job more difficult. With my furnace example you could send two men to be able to change out a faulty furnace in someone's house, if one of the two people is a woman you may need to send a third person simply to carry the new furnace in and the old furnace out.

[@beowulf_of_wall_st]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 it's very easy for women to get into trades, they will roll out a red carpet. women want to have meetings and send emails, though, not build stuff.

[@ChrisWillx]

Press Subscribe to know when the full episode with Zack is live this Thursday 16th September 👊

[@Sakhmeov]

"Wow. What a surprise. More at eleven." Every man worth a damn I've ever worked with at this point, has what one might call a "spotty" educational record, but of course great career success in spite of this - or, one suspects, _because_ of this. Innovation and effectivization - the true drivers of the economy and the building blocks of society - do not thrive on bullshit. And what is more, because innovation itself goes hand-in-hand with analytic ability and readiness to break the mold both, you will not only drive out the creators and kill the golden geese when you decide to prioritize your ideology and politics... but _because_ they are golden, they will be the ones to go the _quickest_ and the most _effectively and totally._ The reasons are so plain and self-evident that it _requires_ the concerted effort of the media and capitalized-on collective ignorance to suppress them. I'm not going to reiterate all of the things that have already been said, for many years and in better words, by Karen Straughan, Tim Pool, Mike Rowe, Jordan Peterson, Peter Boghossian... The universities are dead. Higher education is dead. They are doing absolutely nothing right now other than coasting on momentum and privilege of access. Much like military command, much like corporate executives and boards all over, much like politics itself. Much like _society_ itself. And like many others, I can but shake my head and feel a combination of sadness, disgust and pettiness in impotence of the righteous indignation, when I say: "We told you. We told you all, long ago. And kept telling you. And what is more, we also _said_ even as we told you, that if you persisted then we would not help you when the time came. Now look where we are."

[@elenabob4953]

If you also take a look at the statistics that say that women started to look for other women as a sexual partner.

[@TheJeremyKentBGross]

Supposedly before the GI bill, which was introduced after WWI to help compensate the conscripts, the sex difference in college was only 1%, 7% of men and 6% of women. However from WWII through Vietnam especially, many more men than otherwise would have got a college educations in return for their (usually obligatory) service. It was towards the end of that era that the perception that women were being left behind came in. But the reason for the discrepancy wasn't bigotry towards women, it was a payment to men forced into service. And they only got it as a result of protests by devastated servicemen with no other options during the great depression. Almost ever oppression on women that can be found is a direct result of some other privilege they had. In this case it was exemption from the draft, which is the same reason they got the vote 50 years later than men (and at no cost to themselves), and I bet in a few years college debt will be seen as a form of oppression targeted at exclusively women because men didn't go. That how society always seems to work it would seem.

[@unstupidingmyself4216]

Chris you said something about ‘John burgess datanomics’ what Is this? I’m unable to find anything online, thanks mate great content as always 👌

[@WolfsH0ok]

Tradesmen are cleaning up here where i live Because there is a huge shortage, so they are getting big money One of my mates even has his own race car that he takes out at weekends 👌😁 Cool thing about learning a trade, the classes, are not aimed at filling your head with crap

[@TheDhammaHub]

It's not a very popular view, but school work _very_ well for girls but do not cater for the early male inclinations very well (especially in the early years). Young boys would really learn much better if they could move, experiment and try for themselves in general

[@apweaver3498]

Imagine how horrible it is for boys right now in school who are stuck at their desk not allowed to move about and forced to wear a mask. These young boys need outlets.

[@matthewtaal6349]

Put your boys in sports and encourage them to find something about the sport that they are passionate about 👍🏻

[@Lakoda26]

@@matthewtaal6349 Good Lord! Reverse that. Imaging saying "put your girls in an activity to make up for the horrible environment we put them in".

[@matthewtaal6349]

@@Lakoda26 you should put girls in sports as well, but that’s a different conversation. We’re currently discussing boys.

[@matthewtaal6349]

@Lisa Bell there’s nothing wrong about discussing men and how males are doing overall in society.

[@Garrus1995]

I feel like I fell for a massive scam by attending college. I earned a degree, but it’s a fairly useless one and I’m honestly so disgusted with myself for falling for the scam that I don’t even know how to move forward. I’m mad at myself but I’m also mad at a system that sucks up our money and gives us virtually nothing in return.

[@hollisticbomber2660]

If you got nothing from college, that’s likely your fault. If you worked hard in classes and tried to form relationships with teachers and peers, you should have good foundational knowledge and a strong network. Sounds like you fucked it

[@Garrus1995]

@@hollisticbomber2660 Dude, we have literally millions of young people who “fucked it” as you say, and many of them went to better schools than I. My mom’s friend’s son just graduated with a degree in economics and he’s an Amazon driver; every job he applies for asks for experience, which he doesn’t have because he just graduated. For the price you end up paying, universities should try and help students get jobs after graduating instead of effectively saying “thanks for your money, now get lost.” For the record, I graduated with honors so I didn’t sleep through all my classes, but the fact remains that schools are only so happy to take money from gullible young idiots in exchange for next to nothing. It’s an inherently corrupt business model.

[@johnfisher8401]

thats your fault for picking a useless degree isnt it? I dont know why people do that to themselves.

[@spoonman9584]

@@Garrus1995 and a shit load of PR/propaganda. What makes that ironic is that for my bachelors, when I was young and impressionable (I also believed the "get a degree; get a job" rhetoric), I got a history degree, and my focus? It was the history of PR/Propaganda. You know what's worse than finding out at the end that you were scammed? That would be finding out right as you were about to graduate, that it was a scam. Looking at my future was like looking into a void. The "Ohhhhh... fffffuck" moment. I wouldn't of figured that out though if my school hadn't of stopped my thesis from having an editor. Turns out people in higher education don't really like it when you point out the somewhat manipulative history of higher education among a plethora of other events in the past century that happened to make our country what it is now.

[@hanswoast7]

Well it is also a bit of a system fault. There are many countries where college and university is basically free, like Germany. The US/UK education system is bonkers, even if you just look at it financially.