Joe vs Rocky, training an Arabian stallion

[@alialhilali9862]

This horse could be a fantastic endurance horse, his gates are just amazing

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you, his offsprings are becoming endurance horses 🐎✨ all the best

[@MrStraightlover]

You mean his "gaits"?

[@alialhilali9862]

@@MrStraightlover yes 😅

[@matthewalexander2436]

Beautiful boy! ❤💪❤

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you 🐴

[@johnjacobs4207]

A little knowledge coming your way pay attention. All you are doing is getting him tired. Learn the principle of bend. a lot of ground work before you get on. Ride out in the trees and hills he is resenting the close quarters. Watch his head in this video. He is saying no to your hands. He will not do that when you use the principle of bend with a rein in each hand. Ride with the seat of your pants to quote Pat Parelli

[@robertabray-enhus3198]

Agree with everything you said I pity the poor horses he’s “trained” in the past! He’s got to run him and tire him out,and he thinks that’s training?!

[@robinsnestplans]

Yeah nah lets not quote that narcissist hey? The man is riding w a light seat and not being heavy in his mouth..Arabians are endurance horses. Sweat equity won’t hurt him.

[@TherianthropyIsSlay]

Raleigh has to see this asap.

[@houstonbrown3450]

Amazing horse where is this place

[@AtkaNova]

So you rode how long ? And just ran back & forth? What's up with hocks or stifles, he moves like something is off?

[@riasheart111]

I love the Arabian horse they are so beautiful, good work!

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you Christine 🐴💙

[@sisterm-kd4ip]

An overall Lovely stallion, a little grumpy but that doesn’t matter

[@matthewalexander2436]

beautiful big solid boy, well worth the effort training! ❤💪❤

[@zszs123]

Excellent 👍

[@saleh2r2]

professional - respect - peace - luxury 👍 thank you very nice ride

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you so much sir 🙏🏻🏇🏻

[@sarahwilson2572]

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[@rachelpotter2247]

Amazing well done joe. Well built stallion he is... Is this the filly dad. I believe she will turns his color..

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Yes, well spotted, this is Persia’s sire, Hermes and Achara too 🥰

[@Riendadora]

Bloody hell--this guy couldn't even keep his reins the same length, let alone have enough awareness to not push the horse forward when he was also hauling his head in. The only well done part about this was when it ended.

[@jodidewick6434]

Is it just an American thing - riding with one hand on the reins. 2 hands on the reins make it much easier to correct any horse.

[@seneynah]

One-handed western riding is for finished horses in America. This horse is far from finished and should have been riding with two hands and worked at bending and lateral work to give. This guy looks to be just goofing off like I did when I was 16 and wanted to run all the time without actually teaching the horse anything.

[@Riendadora]

There was nothing correct about the rein technique here, whether using one hand or two.

[@johnjacobs4207]

If you are going to train arabians it would help to lean ground work and the principle of bend. You've got the right bit but you are riding one handed and not using the principle of bend. It looks like he is a descendant of Morafic. Good luck with that.

[@seneynah]

He’s a noob and rides like I did at 16, just ran my Arabian mare until she quit lol just like this. Now that I’m older I go to clinics and teach my horse to give to my reins listen and bend and we don’t just run around like this it’s more purposeful. This guy is just goofing off, which is fun I guess it just looks cringe.

[@bonniemott9119]

Love to watch those horse riding very good job good riding and stayed with him to straighten him out beautiful I love Arabians they're about my favorite horse very enjoyable thank you so much that was fantastic just love the video thank you for your hard work have a good day

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you so much for your lovely comment Bonnie. All the best 🐴✨

[@roseschaefer5079]

Riding a horse into the ground is not training.

[@carolynstewart8465]

Dude! You're in way over your head with this horse. 😮 he's not mentally ready for what you're asking. Running him around just gets his adrenalin up. You can not tire out an arabian. Watch some of Tim Anderson videos before you get killed and him ruined!

[@Riendadora]

Just as one needs to have some expertise before teaching, one should at least have skill in riding before trying to a train a horse. Kudos to a very nice horse who did NOT respond to the contradictory cues he was being given. Would not have been surprised had Rocky cermoniously dumped Joe's well-meaning but not qualified ass.

[@MrStraightlover]

He has ideal conformation for a riding horse: medium-sized cannon bones (not too big like draft horses, neither too soo small like thoroughbreds), medium-length pasterns (not too short like draft horses, neither too long like thoroughbreds)

[@HankDaHorse]

How many horses do you have?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

We used to have 16, now we have 8 🐴

[@HankDaHorse]

@@arabianhorsefamily , what happened to the other 8 horses?

[@johnysharki5694]

I don't really know much about horse but did his coat colour change? Because at the start of the video he was white and by the end he seemed more grey??

[@krazedvintagemodel]

Coat color changed once horse was soaked in sweat.

[@HankDaHorse]

Hello! I have seen pictures of fancy Arabian horses and their nose looks like it’s wet and same thing with around its eyes…. Do you know the answer to why they look like that? Thank you so much!😊

[@arabianhorsefamily]

They put Vaseline on to make their features stand out more, they love their eyes, wide noses, etc. 🐴✨

[@فيصلآلحميم]

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[@terrieseverson6346]

This isn’t training a horse this is just plain “ cowboy” riding. Just because he happens to be an Arabian and a stallion doesn’t mean he’s fit to do this kind of work without being taught to bend and yield to leg pressure . During this clip the rider is riding off of the bit and confusing this poor horse with too many different commands. His conformation is not ideal for the normal show disciplines and he should be gelded as to not pass down his many faults. He is soaked and being ridden this long after such a lay off is only asking for trouble, like tying up or colic.! I’m not trying to be negative but just honest, as I bred and showed Arabian horses for 40 years and know a bit more than most horse lovers.

[@SingleBreath]

What's his height, Rocky?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

He is a bit over 160cm 🐴✨

[@ycs5555]

Beautiful 👍👍👍. How tall is he?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

He is 162 cm ✨

[@robinsnestplans]

Rocky is lovely, what is his breeding? Excellent job by Joe to sit his rambunctious behavior. Nice light hand and good seat! Sweat equity never hurt an Arabian thats for sure. 😉

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you for your comment Robin, appreciate it 🐴✨ Rocky’s sire is a combination of the Ecaho and Psyche, bred with North Arabians in California. His dam is from Shardell stud, in Queensland, Australia 🐴🥰

[@robinsnestplans]

@@arabianhorsefamily very nicely bred!

[@arabianhorsefamily]

@@robinsnestplans Thank you so much Robin 🐴 all the best ✨

[@r.ssumedh7626]

Is this a normal Arabian or a Shagya Arabian?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

He is a mix between Shardell and Ecaho line

[@mlgauss60435]

Oh, you can tell the horse wants his own head! I remember those days! I had one just like it, but when I got thrown, I'd get right back on. I eventually won! HA!

[@arabianhorsefamily]

That's the right attitude 🐴💙

[@carlosariel7009]

He looks like a lady Wentworth crabbett arabian . What is his breeding?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

He has Crabbet line in him, he is a mix of Shardell and Ecaho line 🐴✨

[@triplemoon9563]

Dude Get out of his mouth!

[@aseeal96]

You don’t kick him that’s why he wanted to throw you off him you tab on his neck and rub it. Secondly, you need to speak alot he did not cooperate until you started to talk loudly. Just a few tips arabians are very moody you need to control it but never force it because when they know that it doesn’t harm them it will take you more than that kick to make him respond

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you for your fine observation and understanding of the Arabian horse. They are truly intelligent and loving when we give them our gentle touch and understanding 🐴🤲❤️

[@lorefreak94]

The Arabian I had also seemed most responsive if you paired a command with a key word.

[@TheFen2009]

That horse looks like it’s in pain in its back legs.

[@goosesayhonk]

no?

[@phukethorseridingphotography]

Rocky สวยมากเลยครับพี่แคททททท :)

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you ka :)

[@IvyMPDressage]

Horse looks like he has discomfort in the lower back or stifles. I'm assuming you didn't get anyone out to do bodywork on him or have a vet look over him before trying to ride him after 2 years off. He is definitely uncomfortable. Horses are not that humpy and sticky in the hind end for no reason. also why just jump on and tire him out? you're not training anything into him other than learned helplessness.

[@arabianhorsefamily]

That is a very interesting point of view coming from a Dressage rider. 2 years without cantering doesn’t mean 2 years never gotten any exercise or been outside his stall. If you study a bit more about how our horses lives with us, they are outside everyday and are well treated. His lower back is just perfectly fine, the way he walked on his was out was like a stallion who did not want to go for riding 😅 We train our horses with a light hand, we don’t pull hard or use spurs, but we use consistency and teaching co-operation. Back to being a Dressage rider criticizing this way of training compared with how some Dressage horses are trained and ridden, this is from an article about the big case of the horse with the blue tongue of a Swedish champion rider, Patrik Kittel: The incident has caused a "phenomenal reaction", says dressage trainer and author Lady Sylvia Loch. "It is a shocking symptom of where the sport is going, it's the tip of the iceberg. What is going on behind closed doors in the training of these horses is very wrong. "Dressage should be about lightness, freedom of movement and a partnership between horse and rider. Rollkur is so, so cruel. The horse can only see its own feet, so it is reliant on the rider for balance which is simply psychological torture." Not saying that you’re training your horse in this manner, but riding dressage and training a horse to ride dressage does seems unnatural movements and positions of their heads, compared to this video of just riding a stallion, with a light hand and consistency. Thank you anyways for giving you point of view, and hopefully you will understand our point as well. We all want the best for the horses, and that’s more important than anything.

[@IvyMPDressage]

@@arabianhorsefamily from a dressage rider? that's a bit presumptuous. your entire reply is based on the assumption I am just a dressage rider. i actually don't even ride or compete as a 'dressage rider' anymore, I mainly do endurance now and a bit of eventing. Ivy M-P Dressage is merely the name of my KZbin channel which I don't actively upload on anymore. How the horse is ridden in regard's to it's outline doesn't concern me in this video. I don't believe every horse meeds to be ridden 'like a dressage horse'. (Actually if you were to look at what horses I have now, you wouldn't think I used to do straight dressage haha, I just have arabians and native ponies now). Also different disciplines request the horse uses their body in different ways, so there will always be differences in what riders are looking for just based on discipline anyways. My thoughts were more so with the idea that he is just continuously being asked to canter up a hill with - I am aware this is presumptuous but I can't see anything else so correct me if I'm wrong - no goal in mind other than for him to stop crow hopping? Which would be in essence, tiring him out until he 'complies'. He does just look very off in the hind though. Very sticky looking

[@arabianhorsefamily]

@@IvyMPDressage Thank you for being concerned about Rocky, please let us know how you would train stallions or very lazy non cooperating horses, in this case we could learn from you as well. And let me correct my previous reply… coming from a PREVIOUS Dressage rider, but now Endurance and eventing rider. At least you know very well the difference how horses are trained and ridden. And what’s more comfortable for the horses. And having your own KZbin channel maybe makes it easier for you to understand or can relate to how annoying it can be when people are commenting and criticizing what they project it to be, and have only seen or not even know 10% of the whole picture of the whole situation and the horse. Perhaps like what you feel I projected that you were an active dressage rider. Anyways, thank you for your concerns, please do continue making KZbin videos and share with others your knowledge and love for horses, it might one day be a good income that will also provide for your family and horses 🐴✨ All the best

[@IvyMPDressage]

@@arabianhorsefamily as mentioned , if it was my horse personally i would have gone through a vet or bodywork. i myself also have an arabian stallion so i am not unfamiliar with the breed or stallions, but as i said this doesn't strike me as a training issue, but each to their own.

[@sebastiancontreras4652]

Hey, I was curious, How much did he cost?

[@arabianhorsefamily]

His parents cost altogether a bit over 1 million bath THB 🇹🇭 Rocky was then for free since he was bred with us 🐴💙

[@christinemartindale8715]

Beautiful stallion the daddy of the filly he’s a fine specimen and I loved your riding skills not pulling his mouth or anything very light good hand ( seen as your only riding one handed Lol. And seat in what seems to be a very nice property with your family playing watching you etc.tfs😎🏇😎

[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you Christine, you have a good eye and understanding about riding and horses 🏇🏻 a reflection of how good rider you are as well. Yes we are blessed with a nice property for our horses and our family 🐴✨💕

[@เฉลิมพลแสงโทน]

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[@arabianhorsefamily]

Thank you ค่ะ ✨🙏🏻

[@barbarauridge1575]

Can’t ride for nuts ! Bouncing around like a beginner. Only reason he doesn’t drop u is cos you’re hanging on to his mouth

[@SophiaEquine]

That’s horse is clearly in discomfort your “trainer” hands are so high why around trees we have ereanas fir a reason that horses has real potential but this is not showing us how post your Arabian in a ereana happy with lose rains not even lose just not up to the poor things eat thank you

[@arabianhorsefamily]

There are many ways, many cultures, and opinions, on how to handle and train a horse, you cannot compare how for example the Mongolians, Argentinian gauchos, Mexican, American, Asian etc. train their horses. Training inside an arena is not the only way, but a way. Many factors are behind, not only the culture but also the purpose of the riding. The most important is that the horse is well taken care of and not hurt during any circumstances. If you look closer, the trainer rides with a light hand, good seat, no spurs and no whip, training with patience.

[@SophiaEquine]

Besides this vidoe I am quite liking you channel so far I hope yiu dint take this comment as hate it’s just that you know I care

[@Misbehaving75]

Wish KZbin allowed uploading of pictures.... I trained my own Arab filly.... there was none of this head in air.... running to tire her out!!! She was trained by me properly and never lunged her to ride or ran the hell outta her to settle her down 😂 Arabs just get hotter with mistreatment and running!!!! Arabs were bred to run in the desert!!😂

[@cosmic1229]

Reins were waaay to tight. I feel like if you offered him his head with a steady pressure and release at the walk and trot be may have been more willing to work with you rather than against. He only submitted after being tired.

[@mw7292]

You try that at a stallion wich has not been ridden for a while. This guy is doing excellent

[@robertabray-enhus3198]

You’re definitely not a good horse trainer You start with ground work first and work you way up to riding You’re only tiring him out, not training him. You should be training him inside an arena. He’ll have less to look at. You may as well just stay off of him! What you’re doing is wrong I pity the other poor horses you’ve “trained” in the past

[@arabianhorsefamily]

There are many ways, many cultures, and opinions, on how to handle and train a horse, you cannot compare how for example the Mongolians, Argentinian gauchos, Mexican, American, Asian etc. train their horses. Training inside an arena is not the only way, but a way. Many factors are behind, not only the culture but also the purpose of the riding. The most important is that the horse is well taken care of and not hurt during any circumstances.

[@PariahQuail]

😂 everyone has their own perception. What I saw was a tricky, lazy old stallion that has propped, head tossed and intimidated green riders into dismounting so he could head back to the oat box. What I saw was a man who literally rode him out of this behavior and didn’t quit until he loosened up and co-operated. It may take several repetitions until this stallion quits… and he may always try these tricks with a less capable rider. But I don’t think the object here is to turn him into a riding school mount, but rather for him to realize his full potential through expert hands. There’s an old saying… the only thing two trainers can agree upon when watching other trainers is the third one is doing it all wrong. Ground work/ “resitence-free training” is not effective for a lazy horse that has learned intimidation skills against the rider. How would ground work sort this out? The only way to sort such an issue is to ride the horse.

[@arabianhorsefamily]

@@PariahQuail 😂😂😂 Thank you for your comment, it was put in a very nice perspective and obviously you do have a good eye and understanding about the horses behavior and body language. All the best to you 🐴✨

[@PariahQuail]

@@arabianhorsefamily The world is full of so called keyboard experts that can’t seem to resist commenting. Most of them have never effectively trained any animal, much less a horse like Rocky. I personally don’t believe in formulaic training outside of the starting pen. Yes, you basically back a young horse the same way. Until it spooks. Or tries to bite, kick or buck. But once that young horse goes to a larger arena it shouldn’t have to go back to the round pen. Ever. This Parelli/ Monty Roberts shit is pure fiction. Most of the people preaching this crap have either never owned a horse or have their first one. A lot of these people are scared to ride their own horses. So they run them around obstacles in a pen while flicking a rope toward their butt. I’ve seen people do this for years. Never actually get on. And the same people are railbirds when it comes to others’ work they’re clearly too terrified to attempt. It would be considered comedy except that these people love to underlie their advice with claims of abuse. Which makes it not funny at all.

[@arabianhorsefamily]

@@PariahQuail Yes indeed. Thanks again for sharing your point of view and understanding, hopefully it will help other to judge a situation more frankly and objective, seeing as it is, and not as they want to project it to be to satisfy their need of criticizing.