Joel Guy Jr

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[@TheCasualCriminalist]

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[@Clipperfan_Tra]

You should do an episode on king von in Chicago

[@StrongDreamsWaitHere]

Hi Simon, your daughter is old enough to do what my daughter did with my granddaughter. Get a small string of Christmas lights and put them on a timer so they come on when she supposed to be in bed and go off in the morning when she’s allowed to be awake. My daughter put them in a small pierced tin flower pot to make a nightlight, although you could string around the room or do other fun decorating things with them. If the child wakes up in the middle of the night, and the lights are still on, it’s too early for the child to bother the parents. She can color with crayons or read books or play with toys, but she’s not allowed to bother the parents unless it is a real emergency, as long as the night light is still on.

[@sewgood568]

I love my vessis

[@StrongDreamsWaitHere]

Christopher Porco is another college kid who killed his parents for money. Has some interesting forensic aspects.

[@poorlydunbarvideos1472]

Simon: my nieces and nephews are Quebec french and their parents are hippies. Their names are not only unlearnable in the first time theyre heard, the spellings are tricky after decades. To this day I can SAY them, but I think I can only actually spell 2 out of 8 confidently. Thankfully their parents gave them all adorable nicknames and I remember those just fine!

[@RizoftheDead]

Dismembered Appendices: "The dog lived." A firm thank you from all of us wondering what happened to the poor animal and a little bit of light at the end of this tragic case of parricide.

[@Obi-J]

Not gonna lie, I was worried something awful regarding the dog was coming, like he'd fed bits of his parents to it or something.🫣

[@ellarasei4404]

​@@Obi-JI genuinely don't know whichis worse: the fact he was starving the family dog in a house he planned on setting fire or the possibilty he fed the dog bits of it's owners

[@shugoibaka]

I legit came to the comments looking for confirmation about the dog as soon as Simon stopped mentioning him lol

[@fabianbiere5653]

​@@ellarasei4404pets eating their owners is more common than you think starving being the prime reason i'm sure(more so cats i believe

[@ellarasei4404]

@@fabianbiere5653 well yeah. That’s when the owner dies suddenly in the house and the pets eat them. This situation is different than that

[@tasogarehime]

It sounds like the biggest flaw in Joel's plan was being so self absorbed he did not have the ability to realize other people were going to notice, and care that his parents were missing so soon.

[@MatthewMarcum]

Yes. He was completely caught off guard when the police arrested him. He fully expected to go home, finish up his plan, and then collect a check.

[@matthewdopler8997]

Also coming up with a overly complicated plan of crime scene cleanup that would take way too long and require so many factors to go right in order for it to be accomplished. He was so blinded by greed that even if his parents bodies weren’t found, the outcome would likely be the same.

[@lracseroom8286]

that and being so lazy he didn't finish cleaning up the murder scene.

[@Grishrak]

The flaw was he was going to go back to Louisiana get a text then drive back to finish the clean up. You’re already there finish the job, put the bins in your trunk and drive to a lake or river

[@--enyo--]

Sounds like that Canadian Dexter wanna be.

[@axolotlfeverdream]

Simon getting mad at the murderer for doing it badly is always a highlight.

[@karenduvall1415]

Don’t write down your crimes! Joel jr. : *writes down all his crimes and plans for crimes in vivid detail*

[@AmyHoldaway27]

Yeah I feel like we all do that but it’s hilarious seeing him getting frustrated at them and at the same time being thankful that they were so bad at getting away with crimes because they were caught lol

[@joelananna1116]

There a reason you don't hear about intelligent killers....

[@Darklordiban7]

Surprised Dismembered Apendices didn’t include a bit about his friend testifying against him and, if I recall correctly, essentially called him a weird antisocial loser. It was the only time he truly seemed emotional at the case.

[@MatthewMarcum]

Yes, I was going to talk about his friend and the time Joel spent in prison, but I cut that section to keep the story focused on Joel’s parents/family.

[@OmegaSoypreme]

​@@MatthewMarcumGood call, I reckon. We could tell he's a weird antisocial loser already.

[@inuchan74]

Pretty sure he was emotional because they were more than friends. Idk how someone can look so bored and disinterested like that when being accused of murder.

[@AI-dp3rd]

@@inuchan74I thought so too until I saw Dreading's post on this subject. Joel Guy Jr. was an unbelievable narcissist, and he likely assumed that he was a much more important figure in his friend's life than he actually was. It may have been "romantic" on JG Jr.'s side, but his friend is so laid-back in court, and so casually critical of his supposed best friend, that I was convinced after watching the video that there was no non-platonic or serious relationship between them except maybe in Jr.'s imagination. Highly recommend the video on this if you're interested!

[@sarah69420]

@dd4850bro what??? You're writing a wattpad fanfic about a murderer

[@alext9320]

It's actually very interesting how you can see Joel's personality in his crime. There are aspects that are extremely well thought out, you can tell that this is the plan of someone who *is* very intelligent. He plans how exactly he'll do the deed complete with separating and distracting his victims, he plans how he'll dispose of the bodies, and he sets himself up to have an alibi. But you can also see his social incompetence, as well as his over-confidence at play. He underestimates how quickly people would notice his parents missing (due in no small part to him not understanding how quickly an employer would notice a missing employee), so he concocts a plan of bodily disposal that would take several days. He's so confident he won't get caught that he leaves the journal where he outlines his plan *at* the scene of the crime (never mind the lack of common sense in even just owning a journal like that). He could not envision this plan not going exactly as he wanted it to go, so why even bother trying to clean up or hide any evidence? It will all be ashes in a day or two anyway. Why be concerned with people noticing the suspicious objects in your car? They're stupider than you are, you don't need to be concerned with them noticing anything. As intelligent as the plan is, it's wildly dumb and inept. Just like Joel himself.

[@DeadBarbarian]

His closest friend thinks he's a loser lmao. On a phone call he said "I'm disappointed but not shocked" WOW

[@REDRUM90]

I think he just was lazy. He thought he was by far the smartest and labor is easy peasy work. How hard could it possibly be? He learned real quick and failed even faster. He's so gross man. Entitled piece of crap. I just cannot fathom that his parents carried him financially with no consequences until he was 28 and thought he would just ease into the workforce ? Hell no. They didn't deserve this by any shot of the imagination but what did they really expect? He was going to go from getting everything in life handed to him to being a DR having to work 70 + hours a week?! Haaaa. Not. He was going to be their downfall no matter what. They raised an entitle spoiled piece of shit.

[@t.c.thompson2359]

He also thought his sisters would matter in the inheritance

[@ms.annthropic6341]

Putting their bodies through a home meat grinder is legit one of the dumbest ideas for body disposal I’ve ever heard.

[@lracseroom8286]

Simon: "sound like a good kid...or at least a very smart kid" Me: "Boy do you have a big surprise coming."

[@KatlynJShute]

I watched this case very closely since the onset and when I saw the name on Simons channel I was like…oh poor Simon is in for one hell of a read, this poor man is about to be thrown for a loop.

[@MatthewMarcum]

That’s how I always feel. I need to stop leading him on like that. :)

[@slayingroosters4355]

​@@MatthewMarcumplease don't stop 👌🏿😂

[@gaylegoodman9097]

It is just heartwarming to hear Simon talk about his kids. His attitude towards them is fantastic, knowing there’ll be trials and tribulations with raising kids. He knows what he signed up for, understanding, that at times it seem’s so difficult, you hope you can get through it, and he is taking full responsibility for it. He does not transfer these responsibilities to his children. “Yes, I want my children to succeed, but what I really want is for them to be happy!”, is definitely a big brain thought, and knowing what place some people put their their children, with them showing total compliance, etc, I’m just so happy to hear it 💙🩷💜😊

[@ladymoonwilliams2675]

Dad I slept well... I can so relate😂

[@kcbh24]

He's talking about murder, Gayle! 😂

[@OncleClara]

I also love the way he talks about his wife. You can tell how much he adores his family.

[@zoeyb]

Yeah it’s lovely but it’s also CC. I dont want to listen to him half ass the stories bc his family made him soft. “Ugh. I don’t like this! I have kids!” (then skips details) Then stop doing accepting stories w kids or don’t cold read them.

[@liamevans7661]

@@zoeybOr you could watch something else, instead of demanding a stranger change their content to suit you alone. How entitled can you get? Ffs

[@OGA103]

Glad you're finally covering this case. For some reason this one really gets to me. I think it's the fact that his parents seemed so nice and hard working and is hard to fathom their kid ended up so terrifyingly sadistic and evil.

[@JoshSweetvale]

If they hadn't fed the monster, they'd have faced his wrath when it was squeaky and pimply.

[@SonjaHamburg]

It somehow doesnt touch me much. He was obviously born a complete psychopath without any ability of compassion or remorse. There will always be a few such people born that dont have any ability to see why murder could be bad. It somehow feels like a natural disaster happening: The genetic lottery put him with this kind of brain onto this world and he did what his dysfunctional brain made him do. It doesnt seem like he had any ability to feel empathy. And there was probably not much other people could have done.

[@TortoiseJames]

​@@JoshSweetvaleYep!!!

[@hayzeed5522]

Joel couldn't clean up the mess because his parents were not there to do it for him.

[@voiceofreason1208]

I have not watched this yet but knowing this case I guarantee at least three or four "Joel, what are ya up to?" Moments. 😂😂 Ok, I think we maybe only got two or three. Disappointed (not really) Simon, what are YOU up to!? 🤪😂

[@steveharrison76]

It’s going to happen. Absolutely.

[@taraized]

I also listen to Simon even if I've heard the crime before. My fav of him reading is Gladys Knight, I've watched it a couple times.

[@iulia.bianca.b]

I'm not even halfway through, and he's said it several times already 😂 You were spot on

[@foo219]

We need a counter. Editors, get on it.

[@Lizzyjaeger]

😂😂😂

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks to matt, jen and simon! We appreciate all of you🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤

[@MatthewMarcum]

Always happy to write about crime!

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Editor was Robert today. But a thank you to Jen all the same. And thanks Matt for including that one note at the end. XD

[@feanacar]

Don’t feel alone Simon, my grandson wakes me up with, “Are you done sleeping yet?” Of course, it is two in the morning when I get woke up with that. Lol

[@heathergarnham9555]

I work shift work, I crash at my parents occasionally during summer, because they have air conditioning. When my nieces and nephews were younger I'd wake up to the older one telling the younger ones "shhhhhh Aunty Heather is sleeping " right outside thr bedroom door. Ummmm not any more.

[@YochevedDesigns]

I told my daughter "If you have to wake me up to ask a question, the answer is automatically NO."

[@heathergarnham9555]

@@YochevedDesigns the house is on fire, should we try to escape?

[@afroteddybear]

I want an episode (Halloween or April Fools) where Simon spends the entire episode wearing the hooded Vessi Jacket. Sponsored by Sheath, of course.

[@slayingroosters4355]

I'd rather see him wearing a pair of sheath on his head fashioned into a mask 😂

[@forwhomthebelltrolz]

That's super dumb @@slayingroosters4355

[@TiniestLion]

Just starting the episode and very much looking forward to Simon losing it over the ultimate "Don't Write Down Your Crimes" case. "Get killing knives" is one point in his notes that really sticks out in my mind. I've been hoping you all would do an episode on him. He's an absolute monster

[@Bluesit32]

Well, he had to make sure he got knives for killing and knives for carving. You'd think his parents would already own carving knives, but hey, why take chances?

[@ms.annthropic6341]

My favourite is the fact that he literally titled the journal “The book of premeditation” 😂 I can just picture them in court like “He snapped, panicked, and had to dispose of the evidence, it wasn’t premeditated!” “Bish, what’s the name of this book?!?” 🤣

[@ImaClutz]

Poor Simon! Always starts out so hopeful. It's amazing and quite a gift that you have managed to retain even a spark of innocence and hope in humanity after doing this series. Never change Simon!

[@KidKatastrophe2314]

I know everyone's face is at least slightly asymmetrical, but Joel actually looks like he intentionally let a swarm of bees sting just one side of his face.

[@Gurofluff]

It's heavily speculated to be an abscessed tooth. His facial features were not as bizarre before qnd during the trial or in recent(ish) photos.

[@melissapinol7279]

He resembled a picture my mother showed me of a child with mumps.

[@aelius3805]

He kind of looks like evil alt universe Rich Evans.

[@a.nonimus6705]

​@@GurofluffI think you mean "heavily speculated", because spectated just makes no sense

[@Gurofluff]

@@a.nonimus6705 👍

[@monicawatson2537]

He worked so hard to unalive his parents. Imagine if he put 1/3 of that effort towards supporting himself. He wouldnt have had to do what he did

[@JoshSweetvale]

He _didn't_ have to do what he did. It was a dumb, psycho choice.

[@kailoveskitties]

just fyi this is youtube, you can say “killed” here

[@SonjaHamburg]

He was obviously born with full blown psychopathy and a completrly messed up brain. The genetic lottery put him on this earth like that and i think this kinda had to happen.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

And him being affable at Thanksgiving? Did he think his step-sister would say, "Oh, it couldn't have been Joel, he was so jolly over the week end," ?

[@221b-l3t]

Who knows this guy's obviously a total psychopath, he doesn't have any idea what goes on in other people's heads.

[@laurendearnley9595]

That's the best explanation. The other is that he was genuinely so giddy about what he was about to do and the money that was coming his way that he decided to be more sociable. Maybe even magnanimous. It was going to be his parents last Thanksgiving and so he decided to make it nice for them by being the happy son they wished he would be.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

3:40 - Chapter 1 - The guy family 5:40 - Mid roll ads 7:35 - Back to the video 19:05 - Chapter 2 - Thanksgiving day 23:55 - Chapter 3 - Goldenview lane 34:10 - Chapter 4 - Deconstructing the crime scene 37:55 - Chapter 5 - The book of premeditation 47:00 - Chapter 6 - Putting the pieces together 53:15 - Dismembered appendices

[@amadeus_ex7505]

Thank you I cant handle the million and 1 tangents

[@ignitionfrn2223]

@@amadeus_ex7505Unfortunately, i'm not a tangent keeper...

[@gemmascupoftea]

OGBB❤

[@ianharvey4406]

​@amadeus_ex7505 that's what I'm here for 😂

[@mburton9253]

​@amadeus_ex7505 you're on the wrong channel.😊

[@gaylegoodman9097]

Actually, the perfect editing by Jen, as always, placing the bit about child labor laws, are well timed. Here in the US, some States are listening to big corporations, to relax the regulations regarding these laws 🤬🤬🤬! What the hell is happening to my country 😢😢.

[@eadweard.]

What utter drivel.

[@toospooky051]

But the children, they yearn for the meat packing plants and textile factories!

[@brigidtheirish]

I would've been *happy* as a kid. I *wanted* a job so I could help out.

[@Anon_E_Muss]

The economy is going to get so bad children will want to get jobs so they can help feed their families.

[@andiward7068]

​@@brigidtheirishthe child labor laws protect children from harm, not prohibit working. Permits are allowed for those 14 and up in most States. They don't allow minors to work positions or industries with a high risk of death or dismemberment. They also keep kids from working with hazardous materials, extreme conditions, excessive or unusual hours (too long/too late/too early), positions of responsibility over others or legal liability.

[@RomulusDeTroys]

I love that you keep these stories at or around PG13. R sells, sure; but the individuals in these stories are humans. I genuinely appreciate the care and effort that you and the writers put in. Thanks again!

[@221b-l3t]

Besides the content... America is weird. Murder and dismemberment is fine but don't say fuck or show boobies...

[@lracseroom8286]

I've seen probably a dozen videos about this crime. This is the first one that talked about the severed hands and the arms and torso in the chemical bath. Simon likes to say "Less Saw more CSI" but this is in more grisly detail than any other popular video about the subject so...

[@jond661]

I agree I came to the cp. Ments to make sure a person wasn't kling kids before watching.. This guys still a huge piece of shit and its disturbing as hell

[@foo219]

So very yes. There are so many true crime channels I've stopped watching because they just REVEL in gore and disgusting details.

[@lracseroom8286]

@@foo219 Yeah...I've seen probably a dozen videos about this crime and actually this video went into the most detail about the severed hands and the arms and torso in the chemical bath than any of them. They mentioned the head in the pot but not the other stuff. So your take is kind of bullsh*t I'm afraid.

[@michaelwave7523]

Been watching the casual criminalist since the first episode 2 years ago. Still enjoying it. Keep it up guys

[@forestgrump4723]

I’m glad to hear Jake is ok, I was listening to this at work and when the first cops left the house I audibly said “wait… isn’t anyone going to release that poor dog?” I hope one of the sisters took him in :( those poor girls… how do you explain to children that their grandparents are dead because their uncle killed them? I mean sucks for the dead parents too of course but… I always feel pity for the people that have to live with the knowledge their loved ones were murdered. Imagine being the sister that saw the totes and thinking every holiday “if I’d only insisted on an explanation he could have been arrested on intent and mom and dad could be here.”

[@Lizzyjaeger]

I believe the lady that initially called 911 has him, she was Lisa’s co-worker and the person repeatedly calling 911/the police because she knew something was badly wrong.

[@goodiefx761]

The bodycam footage of that initial walk through of the house is available elsewhere on KZbin. There's nothing overly graphic on it, but you can hear the dog crying the whole time. It's so brutal... That poor dog witnessed his parents being killed and got locked in a closet without water with the heat turned all the way up. In the notebook Joel actually wrote he was going to kill the dog too but later scratched it out.

[@roleat]

​@@goodiefx761 the dog does not have human parents, he had owners

[@TortoiseJames]

​@@roleatDogs do not relate to their owners as "owners". They don't understand the concept. To a dog, the humans who take care of them are their parents. Same relationship you see between pups and their bio parents.

[@Aeryn4John]

Around the age of 80, my grandfather put me on all of his bank accounts, deed to his house, etc. This was to make things easier after his death. I'm glad that you and your parents are healthy and relatively young, but don't be surprised if your parents do the same thing when they are elderly. Also, don't wait until they are elderly to have "the talk", as in, the talk about what they want to have happen after their deaths or in the case of serious illness/accident.

[@modernmusic52]

My parents and I recently had the talk, mainly because I'm autistic and they want to make sure I have a legal guardian when they pass. They're both in their 60s but have health issues and mom had cancer so they know it could happen anytime. It's really scary talking about it but it's really important

[@legoqueen2445]

That reminds me, I have to organise power of attorney for my mum. I keep forgetting 😮

[@JoshSweetvale]

Old people: Have a will. A death book. And share it with your kids.

[@erraticonteuse]

Yeah, my mom had a joint bank account with each of her parents (they were divorced) so that when they died, that money was just hers, no need to file any paperwork with the bank.

[@christina1wilson]

I'm astounded that he thought he would inherit everything and the three sisters would get nothing.

[@Bluesit32]

I guess he was just so used to getting money from his parents that he just assumed that's what would happen.

[@DeadBarbarian]

He thought less than nothing of them, he stole their parents from them after all.

[@kidflash2fan]

I wonder if it's because of his parents (mostly mother ) treated him as golden child.. There was an a gap between her son and the sisters. Is her only natural child. And it's easy to see where Joel junior got his entitlement thinking he would get everything from the life insurance. If he only had sisters on weekends if I'm remembering correctly from other podcasts about this his sister's still had a mom.

[@DeadBarbarian]

@@kidflash2fan while I do think being a golden child fueled his entitlement, Lisa also had really good relationships with the girls. They stayed with them for months at a time over the summer. One of her step daughter testified that she wanted to be just like Lisa. They treated Joel Sr. 'S and Lisa's place like a second home. That Joel overlooked these relationships is baffling

[@kidflash2fan]

@@DeadBarbarian Oh I'm not implying that she was a bad stepmom or anything like that I know Her stepdaughter talked about how she just wanted to be like Lisa and she loved her so much. I meant more like he Just probably felt like he was an only child. Who had part time siblings. What I meant with his mother was that it was very clear she loved being a mom and wanted to dote on her child. He just viewed it as being the favorite so of course everything would be left to him. He thought he was the golden child.

[@sinemmuhtaroglu7585]

After all these years watching Simon STILL being shocked reading the script makes me believe that he still has some trust in humanity 🙈. Thank you @matt

[@MatthewMarcum]

Big thanks!

[@pherasabraxas]

Thank you for once again bringing us an interesting case. The entitlement of this moldy cheeseburger never ceases to amaze me.

[@positivevibesveda]

moldy cheeseburger😭

[@HavianEla]

I’m less than fifteen minutes into this episode and am freaking out. Kids financially abusing their parents is a HUGE fucking issue, and if this goes the way I fear it will… Well, it just means my fears for my parents’ safety are pretty justified. My sister was BADLY financially abusing my dad, and took somewhere between 25-40% of his 200k retirement buyout, ruining his and my mom’s retirement plans. My sister was in a relationship with someone who “talked her into” lying to my dad saying they needed money for food, rent, groceries, etc, when they were actually going to concerts, buying clothes, weed (and other drugs, I know her ex spoke of cocaine usage) and getting other unnecessary things. Neither worked, neither even tried to get a job. My sister is out of that relationship now and with another guy, who already had been financially abusing his elderly mother with dementia. They’re supposedly getting better, but it’s so hard for me to trust either of them after what they put my family through. I feel horrible thinking this, but my dad recently passed away due to a heart condition, and in a really twisted way… I’m thankful he’s no longer under my sister’s thumb. She was horrifically cruel to him and made him doubt himself a lot. The way he used to get all shy, but had a big ol’ dopey smile on his face as I would boast and brag about what an awesome dad I had told me a lot.

[@lynn4840]

that's awful, i'm so sorry to hear you and your family had to go through that. it's tragic that it had to happen the way it did, but i can only hope your dad is at peace now. wishing love to your family & everyone else who has ever been the victim of financial abuse. 💖

[@weedsmokersanonymous6097]

Be careful if she needs money like that she might be using heroin or meth. Those drugs make people do stuff like that.

[@JK-gm6kk]

Bowflex is the jam. If you use one, you quickly learn how seldom stabilizer muscles are used, even for those who are in good shape

[@lracseroom8286]

I know this guy's story back and forth thanks to other YT shows but still stoked for this. AMPED for the Zodiac episode soon. Wanted that one since you started the channel. Also, MF'er so lazy he couldn't finish even cleaning up his crime scene. Simon going to lose it at "The Book of Premeditation"

[@LaPenserosa1]

Then please tell us, since Google is of no help - what is up with his face? Arresting officer? Tumor? We must know.

[@lracseroom8286]

@@LaPenserosa1 Infected wisdom tooth AFAIK.

[@0o0misha0o0]

​@@lracseroom8286ooof. Glad I got the buggers out in highschool. Great time, blasted on nitrous and the dentist was rocking out to a Bruce Springsteen live album. Tech was like, you gotta spit? I'm like I just had to say I fuckin love bruce springsteen...then I'm all loaded on vicodin and my dad stops to pick me up a copy of holy grail on the way home. Friggin love the dentist, I'm going to make an appointment right now that I remembered.

[@william324tx5]

Hearing “LSU”, and prestigious In the same sentence is hilarious to me

[@ames522]

SERIOUSLY. One of the most prestigious schools in the country, they said? Patently false. I generally think the writers here seem to be dedicated to using credible sources and sticking to the truth. Random comments like this make me question, though.

[@Snakekitty94]

It's ranked within the top 5 public university in the USA with an average GPA of 3.77. That's over several ivy league schools, don't know what you're BS is about

[@william324tx5]

@@Snakekitty94 give me literally any ranking that says that and I’ll concede

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@Snakekitty94 where are these rankings, exactly? and by whom?

[@auntbee6993]

​@@Snakekitty94 isn't that the university that spent millions on their football locker room while completely ignoring that the ceiling in the library was falling in?

[@inuchan74]

Lol Joel's half too big face is from 100% an abcessed tooth. It's pretty common for the jaw to swell up like that when you have an abcessed molar. Pretty classic presentation, and can literally happen overnight. Very painful unless you've had a root canal done - I hope he was in severe pain.

[@andreagriffiths3512]

Omg that poor man, fighting for his life and knowing his beloved wife would come home and face the same treatment. That’s absolutely gotta be the cruelest thing I’ve thought in a long while.

[@Jackalpup83]

best dismembered appendices ever. i have seen this case covered by a lot of people and even watched the police bodycam footage of them entering the home, but this is, hands down, my favorite coverage of this wild murder tale. excellent writing, as always!

[@nbarnes6225]

Another bit of info: there's a recording of Joel talking with his ex from jail. Joel told him that he wanted the money to get a gastric bypass and plastic surgery so that he would "look good enough" to be with him. The poor ex bf was audibly horrified at the very idea. I think Joel was just trying to manipulate the ex into feeling sorry for him or trying to push blame onto someone else. What a piece of trash.

[@Tsumami__]

I don’t even think it was his ex, I think he was a friend that Joel was obsessed with but who clearly didn’t want to pursue a relationship with him. And it probably wasn’t his weight, it was probably the fact that he’s a sicko

[@rustomkanishka]

If you don't mind me asking, why is his face like that? It's very memorable and not in a good way.

[@nbarnes6225]

@@rustomkanishka That I don't know. I've only seen one other video about him and they didn't explain it either. The picture they showed of him had a smaller bulge, so idk if it's a medical condition or if it was a reaction to the chemicals and stuff.

[@nbarnes6225]

@@Tsumami__ I think you're right.

[@inuchan74]

​@@rustomkanishkahe has an accessed tooth. Doesn't always happen, but when a molar on the jaw abcesses the side of the face csn swell up like that. Can get even bigger than that. I hope he was in a lot of pain.

[@danielmatthews4262]

"His face devoid of any shame or regret" or symmetry

[@Harleymotor]

I remember requesting this case a couple years ago when Casual Criminalist was still new and I can’t believe it’s actually on the channel!! I remember hearing this case and being Horrified. This case and Chandler Halderson one are similar and just as unbelievable to me.

[@stevejester5658]

I'm so glad that this channel is still simon❤

[@lisamariepocza4377]

I raised my kids with the philosophy that I expected them to be the best they could be in whatever they chose to pursue. I didn't care what that career was, as long as they did their best and were living a satisfying life.

[@Tsumami__]

That’s called being a good parent, a lot of people that have kids don’t think like that, unfortunately

[@AbigatorM]

"i want to be a murderous criminal" "As long as you give it your best!" :D jokes aside, that is how i was raised aswell. Also during Uni (and before that in my late teens) i got the money needed to survive but for luxuries i was tought to work for it. (games, brand stuff etc). I turned out decent (i hope) xD

[@lassikinnunen]

Well as long as there is making a living included in there in the be whatever they want and can be

[@JohnSmith-wq3uk]

My mom always said (and still says) to us- “whatever you are, be a good one” ❤️

[@lackmotion]

*Dismembered Appendices* The dog lived. Thanks for letting us know the important details of this case . /s. But I am very delighted that Jake wasn’t harmed physically. I hope he’s out there living his best dog life .

[@WillAyeAmNot]

Ayy! Back into the darkness with Matt and Simon, yes! I am quite happy that the dog lived, though...since we all know that dogs are the most important creatures on this planet and deserve to be protected at all costs, right? Right??

[@TheFaraway8]

TBH I was wondering why they didn't go save the whimpering dog as soon as they heard it, I mean how could you stop yourself?

[@dianasfabulouschannel9825]

Yup

[@mememefinally]

@@TheFaraway8 They didn't know anything about the situation and didn't even know if there was still somebody dangerous in the house hiding somewhere. I can totally understand that they checked the situation first before letting a dog out. They didn't even know whose dog it was and it could have been aggressive.

[@settheory2219]

Ants are way more important than dogs

[@erickrobson60]

The dog lives. Best sentence of the whole episode.

[@danieljob3184]

At 13yo, I was expected to do chores (nothing heavy) in return for my pocket money. If your parents Are entirely funding your college education, the least you can do is mail them photocopies of your term papers & grades! P.S: the dog lived? BEST TCC EVER!!! 😄🐺

[@munkeyhunk]

Every parents worst nightmare he says? Probably listening to "we don't talk about Bruno" on repeat for a year straight......

[@bliss1819]

that and “let it go” about ten years ago 😭

[@lindala2602]

​@@bliss1819Frozen was more or less crack for toddlers

[@matthewwhite2155]

Joel looks like an evil version of Chumlee from Pawn Stars. Glad the dog survived. That was especially welcome to hear.

[@julieloucalcote1368]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@meevins]

which is funny to bring up because isn't chumlee also a garbage person anyway

[@marieonishenko]

you talking about your daughter, waking you up reminds me of the last time I went to go help my sister, who is a single mom with my niece. At 9 AM my niece was annoyed I wasn’t awake yet and took her echo phone mic thing and yelled Aunty wake up until I got up. 😂😂😂 it’s funny now, but gosh darn it I was so tired!

[@kelliesaunders4905]

Oh wait!! My friend is a general practitioner and he told me that when he graduated medical school, his student loans had him $150,000 in debt. He said that now, 20 years later, he now owes $250,000. Student loans are a scam.

[@TortoiseJames]

Worse than Payday Loans!!!

[@DeeChambers-ci6cn]

I love how Simon said a loser. So gladI love that I found all his channels, he cracks me up.

[@michaelmcd8325]

Simon is hands down the BEST on KZbin, other channels r too serious or dark, but with Simon he is hilarious 😂

[@ManfreeFreeman]

I live in Knoxville... I was in the military at this time so I wasn't here at that moment but how did I not hear about this?? I'm at work right now and that house is 7 minutes away from me.

[@Kasei.T]

Not done watching, but just wanted to say that your advice at 13:50 is absolutely good parenting. I taught for a number of years and the complete lack of boundaries that parents have with their kids (insofar as giving them everything they want, never saying no, never allowing kids to suffer the consequences from their actions, etc) is the biggest factor in creating entitled kids who then turn into entitled adults. The best advice I ever heard for good parenting is to never do for a child what a child can do for themselves. Update: Oh my gosh, your dig at Joel about not knowing how to finish the job because he'd never had one had me in stitches. xDD 46:21

[@baydiac]

I still firmly believe in the "secret fund" method. Your child turns 18 and you request they start paying rent below market value (if they're not busy with schooling anyway, but be firm with them that outside of extenuating circumstances you'll only pay for 4 years of university and then it's on them for rent again)... and then when they're ready to move out, surprise! The "rent" money was funneled into a savings account all along, and you contribute it to their housing budget (whether house downpayment or to help them with rent, we do live in a 2023 housing market hellscape). They thought they could only afford a shoebox of an apartment or that they'd be paycheck to paycheck, when there's been a safety net all along to be grateful for. You teach them to be responsible and learn the value of money AND show them you care and want them to succeed on both counts. (Because in this economy parents who charge rent and keep the money are basically saying they never want their children to move out. Like, with what money will they be going anywhere????)

[@eduardodiaz9942]

I've seen this case covered on other true crime channels, a perfect mix of absolutely horrific and unfathomably stupid. Another dismembered appendice to this case could have been the fact that even in prison Joel is still an entitled piece of shit, as he planned to attack his cellmate because he wanted the cell all to himself

[@julieloucalcote1368]

You are kidding!?!! What a dumbass. As if the prison wouldn’t have just assigned another cellmate to his pig pen.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

​​@@julieloucalcote1368Well, from his perspective, it makes sense, if he had succeeded in killing his cellmate he'd have been locked up in solitary confinement. But prison authorities found out, because again, he left a note with all he was planning to do. You just can't fix stupid.

[@barbaragarb9453]

There's an episode of Killers Caught On Camera about this case too. You can find it right here on KZbin.

[@caseydykes117]

@@eduardodiaz9942 oh my GOD you can't be serious he LEFT A NOTE?! Jesus christ

[@wardrobewings8000]

@@eduardodiaz9942 I'm sorry, what. He already got caught once partially thanks to writing down his plan and he thought his notes on ANOTHER crime won't be discovered??? In PRISON??? How is this man tying up his shoes without help???

[@ffaa.1650]

Talk about blinded by money..this whole story was insane 🤯

[@rickwoofs]

"The dog lived" I love happy endings. ❤

[@justincase3230]

I bummed around till 28. If you're in that position yourself cleaning gigs are easy to get, pays well(better than most of my retail friends) you can usually pick your shifts and it's always available somewhere. Not glamourous but I live off it and now I've got a car I have way more options. Mostly just vacuum and listen to Simon prattling on.

[@hbic4242]

Love that simon’s toddler speaks proper grammar 😊 “I slept well” I hope that isn’t just his story telling and she actually speaks properly…it’s so precious

[@simonrobinson4178]

I can imagine fact boy watching his wife give birth while chanting, don't be a psycho don't be a psycho don't be a psycho lol

[@andreagriffiths3512]

And his wife yelling back, through gritted teeth, “Stop being a psycho, Simon!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@proffnanners]

This show is soon much better than others because Simon not knowing the story but reacting live is priceless.

[@trevorwilliams6362]

Innocent Simon says the silliest things! ❤ Edit: This is also me trying to cope with the horrific elements of this crime

[@jakedixon2722]

Louisiana native and resident here, Baton Rouge and LSU specifically seem to attract crazies. Side bar: hearing the dulcet tone that is Simon's voice pronounce my home state is just lovely.

[@Nyc_figure_fanatic]

I really enjoyed this script format , where we didnt know what happened untill half way threw.

[@MatthewMarcum]

Glad to hear it. I like to keep you all in suspense as long as possible.

[@TheErbs]

So I've heard this case before but listening to you read it is like sharing it with a friend.

[@michaelaf8698]

“Weird half big face” 😂😂😂

[@hanselmansell7555]

28:20 Top quality rant!!! You tell 'em Simon, you tell 'em 👌🤣

[@angelashoson8900]

Simon has the best advice on how to be skeptical of EVERYONE. and i love it. This is essential life advice

[@stephanybrown3226]

As someone who needs to rely on family due to medical issues and the gov being a joke for getting disability, it angers me beyond belief what this guy did. Family isnt obligated to help, but they do and he should have been eternally grateful and thinking 'what will happen to me when they are gone' and try to get shit together . Unpleasant to think of but it's reality- something this guy didn't live in.

[@ladygrndr9424]

Keep pushing with disability. The processors are trained to deny all first-time claimants. Many who are of a jaded mindset find any excused to kick the paperwork back/lose paperwork or think of extra hoops for you to jump through. I'm sorry the system is such a joke, but if you find a doctor who is on your side and willing to help you fight, you can get through this.

[@HavianEla]

Exactly! I’m in the same boat, and any money I get IMMEDIATELY goes to my mom, and I’m still actively looking for at least part time work. There have been some VERY piss poor takes from my generation (Gen Z) about this. Such as the old excuse of, “Shouldn’t have had kids if you didn’t want to be taking care of them!” Like, I’m sorry, but part of raising kids is teaching them to fully fully functioning, independent adults! NOTHING is OWED to ANYONE, so when you DO get help - you should be grateful!

[@OneEyedmm]

I’m the same, I feel ya. I recently developed a disability (well, the ptsd caused the vision loss, cause it attacks your body from the inside). My mom is my only family, but she supports me cause getting government assistance has been a years long nightmare. But her monetary support is far less helpful than her knowledge base that my condition makes too overwhelming for me to handle. Everything from insurance contracts to taxes… if I just had money, but not my mom, I’d be so screwed.

[@melsy94]

Our boat is filling up fast, cause I've hopped in too. Still waiting on whether I qualify for disability or not (best case scenario, I get the letter before Christmas) and my parents have been absolute saints in providing temporary financial support in the meantime. I will NEVER be able to thank them properly for what they've done for me, and hearing about the crime scene, the book, how he could even think to do that to his own parents let alone fully plot it out with a fucking grocery list... I honestly think this is the closest I've come to vomiting from watching a Casual Criminalist episode.

[@desertprince2392]

Im autistic and have bpd so its very hard for me to work in retail, service, and hospitality. Unfortunately I never finished highschool due to my mental health issues so the only places I *can* work with my qualifications are those fields. Im on disability, but I give half to my parents and use the rest to keep myself going in day to day. Its not a lot of money. My biggest fear is ending up unable to do anything for myself :') we're made to feel so guilty for not being completely able to be independent.

[@lazylady880]

So I lived in the same city he did while he was in high school and then again in college. Scary. He's only a year or so younger than me.

[@The_Pewkachu]

Finding out early on that the episode wasn't about child murder really made watching/listening easier. "Parent's worst nightmare" to me leans the same as Simon's.

[@andiward7068]

Shew! I wasn't ready to hear about violence against children today.

[@thatguy4311]

😂😂😂 the way you made Dr doom say “siman” rather than Spider-Man was gold, I had to go back twice to make sure I heard it right 😂😂

[@saritacruz3020]

I'm glad to see the intro back❤

[@ms.annthropic6341]

26:29 “Joel, mate, could you look more guilty?” Oh yeah, yeah, he absolutely can 😂

[@handpainted_momma329]

“His half big face” makes me think of that Brooklyn 99 episode where the chief and Jake got huge goiters haha. 😂

[@ladygrndr9424]

It is most likely a goiter, If it was a life-long condition, it could have been behind his irritability and mood swings.

[@laurendearnley9595]

​@@ladygrndr9424i googled it and I think youre right, it would explain his bulging eyes too.

[@cheryldrojo3591]

Really?? Holy moly. My mom was bpd and bipolar 2 - she was evil af. It doesn’t change the facts of the past. But, knowing “mom” didn’t really hate me, she needed help, eases some stings.

[@iadorenewyork1]

I think Joel Guy Junior got a bad tooth infection in prison. That side of his jaw was very swollen.

[@ZenobiaDecrespin]

Brilliant as always Simon love your snark sarcasm and snicker laugh ❤

[@samiyarossini]

I'm from Knoxville. I worked in the same area his parents lived and I swear I recognized his parents. Jr himself always freaks me out because, from certain angles... he looks like my ex. Not my ex, my ex is several years older but ... -yikes-. I also remember hearing about this, as I'd moved away when this happened and it just was so shocking.

[@muzzer5327]

Stop putting your kids to bed at 7/8 and they won't annoy at 4am

[@colleenmahony8803]

Saw the headline and said, "Oh, THIS MFer." I know this story, but I'ma watch the heck out of it anyway.

[@OhCrowFace]

THE DOG LIVED!!! thank you for including that lmao

[@buddyzilla4557]

18:25 Nice one Jen! 😂 Simon really is just a real life Patrik Bateman!

[@mangot589]

Simon! Yay! New to podcasts. Stumbled on CasualCriminalist on a dog walk, (although I AM a subscriber on YT, all of them) and within a couple of minutes, realized! This is Simon! 👏 My favorite KZbinr. I’ve been off the You for a while, too encompassing, so I had no idea, but not surprised. Gushing aside, my favorite line, “didn’t finish the job, because he’s never had a job” (not an exact quote, but OMG😂😂😂😂). “Get a F*ng job, Joel”! The Man with 20 jobs has spoken lol. People must have thought I was a crazy person laughing, walking along. I laughed a lot for such a grim subject. Right on, Simon. 👍👍♥️ Oh, and I was concerned about the dog as soon as I heard about him, thanks for letting us know! I wonder if he/you ever ended up getting a dog. I know it wasn’t on the I want this list. Oh! And Simon translates JUST as well on a podcast! Brilliantly. 10/10

[@MrTaylorAries]

Simon is if Maes Hughes from full metal alchemist lived and started a podcast and had two kids instead of one….his tangents are pure gold

[@gasmonkey1000]

Don't jinx anything please

[@redwine.99]

Not Simon becoming a Sith Lord at the end of every Vessi ad read now lol

[@wardjami876]

This happened near me! Such a horrible crime!

[@connorbonstein4048]

The writing in this one was awesome, always love when Matt writes for these

[@TerraUmbraVampWriter]

I very much appreciate knowing the dog survived. That was such a rollercoaster.

[@debswatching]

Thanks for uploading! I heard that Joel, Jr. had to return to Baton Rouge to seek medical attention for his hands as one or both of his parents had fought back. If he had had no cuts, he was going to continue with his plan to denature and flush his parents, then blow up the house with all evidence inside. A true crime show I watched recently said he experimented which chemicals would work the quickest by soaking dog bones in various solutions in his bathroom in Baton Rouge. And he was so lazy, he never got rid of the Rubbermaid bins containing all his experiments. As for the dog, police waited for SWAT teams to clear the house as they weren’t sure someone was hiding in the room where the dog was found. It looked like a black Labrador, shown on Body Cam when police took the dog to the next-door neighbor for safety.

[@alexhaladay2681]

The ending brings up a issue I wondered about. "Public Defenders at odds with their clients." This goes into: 1) PD that don't want to defend the client. What happens in those situations? 2) what are the most insane cases PD were forced to deal with? Because, lets face it, the PD in this case, they atleast tried. whether you are pro or anti lawyer, you have to give a tip of the hat for the the PD for trying. And can you imagine clocking into work that day and see this file dropped on your lap!

[@karlshorstzwei]

Cab rank rules. You get who you get, and you do your best to represent them and to make sure that if they convict your client that the State prpved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Not a PD myself, but I do legal aid. I've represented people not that different than Joel here (not on criminal cases, and not the murder type). You roll with the punches and you do your best.

[@IamTheOnlySteve]

Just finished cooking and cas crim uploaded 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@lupine.spirit]

haven’t started yet but oh boy, this will be a wild ride for Simon

[@cjelliott3529]

This happened 20 minutes from me. I remember when this happened and the details started emerging. This still send chills down my spine.

[@giantevilpandas]

Simon is the type of father I hope to become.

[@M-_-O]

Hey editor, something about these zooms like at 22:36 and 24:56 are really… chefs kiss 🤌

[@kermitthorson9719]

so yes, the whole face thing must have been damage he sustained from Joel Sr in his attempt to delete his father. good on Sr for at least putting up one hell of a fight

[@Obi-J]

I thought the same. It didn't explain his "half-big face" but I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.

[@meeapeea]

It's more likely a oversized gland that and that area happens to easily collect fat tissue, since he was a rather big and did not like to exercise. Human bodies are weird and can collect fat in really illogical areas.

[@crptpyr]

​@@meeapeeaHe doesn't have the same issue during the trial, or before the murders from what I can see. So it's pretty likely that it is some kind of infection

[@kermitthorson9719]

@@meeapeeaIt goes away, if you see him in the courtroom he's just s regular pudgy man

[@laurendearnley9595]

It's been suggested it was a goiter, which would also explain his bulging eyes.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

A tip for dealing with phone scammers is to answer the phone in a foreign language. Bonjour. A lot of scammers just aren't prepared to speak a language that isn't English, and will hang up.

[@bigfvchk2024]

New Episode ❤❤❤ Who else was waiting ???

[@jennifersaunders5547]

I just found this channel, so I have some watchin to catch up on. I really love the accent, storytelling style, and sense of humor 😂❤❤🎉

[@sprittzlewolf5184]

Could do a halloween themed crime wearing that Vessi coat to look like a candle-wielding cultist in the shadows

[@rhynelinker7922]

I lived in Surgoinsville TN from 2011-2013! That's really wild. I traveled a LOT in my early 20's and have lived in like 10 places mentioned between Simons channels and Coffee House Crime. So weird sometimes. It was either Jim Jones or Marshall Apple white that developed a large part of their early following in my hometown that i live in now in NC. Small world.

[@samanthaz2131]

Great episode, thanks, Simon. Was a really interesting case!

[@rebeccasue25]

Thank you for another good show! I hadn't heard of this one but i was really hoping for his parents