Joel Klatt makes the case Notre Dame is still a great college football job | UNDISPUTED

[@scottbennici4689]

Urban Meyer used to say Norte Dame was his dream job. If he leaves Ohio State(I don't think he will), he would make that school a championship contender instantly.

[@Cleveland-fp8kh]

Scott Bennici OH-IO

[@marketweis]

I'm not sure about a championship contender, but NO DOUBT they would be a more legit team to contend with perennially. Even with the usual obstacles at ND, coaching makes all the difference. For anyone who saw the ESPNU all-access piece years ago w/Urban behind the scenes at OSU practices, it was obvious why Meyer is who he is. There's a difference w/the way he runs things, communicates, and executes, and he could absolutely put ND up there as a presumed powerhouse. The unfortunate thing for us fans is that he'll never come.

[@chrisworkman9390]

Scott Bennici He would definitely change the landscape but I don't think he really wants the ND job anymore

[@trumetalheadonmauiey9715]

He would have if Notre Dame had actually hired him.Just as the Bengals not hiring Bill Walsh.Anybody remember that Meyer was on the staff of Lou Holtz, and the AD at the time thought he was too young.

[@trumetalheadonmauiey9715]

Chris Workman With 3 National Championships on his resume,2 with Florida,1 with Ohio St, Urban Meyer has written his own chapter in College Football history.

[@MrJlo1017]

I love how this is always discussed when ND doesn't do well. I never heard this in 2012, first half of the 2014 season, and especially last year. Why do people have this habit? I'm sure when ND is a playoff contender again in 2-3 years again this won't be discussed just like it wasn't last year.

[@2barfootball]

MrJlo1017 because Notre Dame is a very popular school and its always on the microscope on schedule for teams

[@tammaralsadkhan6739]

Manny Davis it’s because they’re overrated, Michigan and Tennessee have won a national championship more recently

[@fload46d]

It used to be that a lot of the players who played at ND came from a huge base of Catholic high schools who would give their right arm to play at ND just because it was Catholic and it had great football. They could get back to that possibly and then get a very good coach and possibly return to greatness. But they have to get back to getting those top kids.

[@DavidCarlJohnson2]

Harrison Smith is widely considered the best Safety in the NFL. He is the highest paid safety. Zach Martin was a first round draft pick and is one of the best linemen on the best offensive line in the NFL. Ronnie Stanley was just selected 6th overall. Jaylon Smith was going to be a top 5 pick before a horrible injury. Golden Tate has had a great career so far. Will Fuller is the best rookie receiver in the NFL. If the draft happened today, Deshone Kizer may be selected number 1 overall. Notre Dame can draw great talent. THE ONLY REASON for the slide since the early 90's is four consecutive terrible coaching hires. Bob Davie unemployed, Ty Willingham unemployed, Charlie Weis unemployed, and soon to be Brian Kelly. The AD's at ND since the 90's are to blame. But its not too late the right the ship if they can land a great proven coach, or a hidden gem. The AD better take this next hire very, very seriously.

[@Rjb0224]

I actually agree with both sides. As a die hard ND fan, I feel it's BK's day to day preparation, game management, and play calling in certain situations that are the real issue. Lots of head scratching penalties, poor red zone execution, and that comes from your day to day preparation. He does know how to recruit, especially in the trenches, and since he's been there he has sent more players to the NFL then probably Willingham, Davie, and Weis combined. I think the jury is still out on BK, but the program is better off from a personnel perspective.

[@JudahwardIV562]

Cmon NotreDame get it together!

[@elchucofried5683]

notre dame is overrated has been for decades and all because they are a catholic school is the only reason there held so high but there not

[@freewill9457]

Skip Bayless talks about its not a great job because the fans are living in the past. 🤔🤔🤔 What other team do you know that has fans living in the past?

[@iss6044]

LOL! At least the Cowboys are the most valuable sports team in the world.

[@jeihel2832]

all 32 NFL teams are in the top 50 most valuable sports teams in the world what's your point

[@themadlad8540]

BOOMER!!!!

[@2barfootball]

N/ A you do you realize that if Alabama didn't have Nick Saban Alabama would be in the same spot as Notre Dame. When people make ridiculous comments saying that they don't get the talent I laugh because if I recall Notre Dame gets 4-5 star athletes if the school decides to care and make things less strict and a football school like it was and have a coach like Meyer or Saban then Notre Dame would never lose a game don't count out Notre Dame because when things are hard just win one more for the Gipper but I'm saying if they fire Kelly and get a great coach then We will win titles every year.

[@johnwatsoniv384]

Every year? Yeah, no. ND hasn't done anything of note besides one season since Holts left. The Sabans and Meyers and Harbaughs and Fishers don't win it every year where they're at, and ND doesn't have any great advantage over ANY of those programs except tradition over FSU (but FSU is in the best state for recruiting which at least offsets the tradition aspect). I do believe ND is waiting on Meyer to abandon OSU so they can nab him though, which is why they still have Kelly. That or luring Les Miles is your best shot of coming outta the gutter you've been in for 20 years.

[@docj09]

It's not like Notre Dame isn't sending guys to the NFL...they've had as many people drafted the last few years as just about anyone else in college football and they have the top QB in this years draft class currently at their school.

[@keyroncampbell]

a great coach= great program

[@singingchef23]

The quality of those players are far below other schools. It's not even close anymore, it's like the Duke vs NC debate. Duke puts players in, but a handful are even okay.

[@singingchef23]

And that draft status is easily falling for Kizer, may not be his fault but these loses hurt.

[@keyroncampbell]

singingchef23 you wrong because that 2014 mia team had 3 first round picks and 7 starters from that draft, we won like 6 games... A team must have good coaching, good coaching can turn a average player good. Coaches have to put the players in position to suceed, talent does matter, it's nothing without coaching and having coaches that believe in you... I seen some trash college players become great in the NFL. ... Nick Saban won right away in a Alabama, he had decent players at that time.

[@singingchef23]

keyron Campbell name the top ND players in the league please? I mean I can't think of more than 10 decent players out of ND. Just because they put players in doesn't mean they produce just like Duke in College basketball. Overhyped, role and bench players at best. 1 or 2 occasionally good players, absolutely no elite players. Miami still players in the league, they are the same quality as the Hurricanes heyday

[@TheDaddynate]

Even Duke is in a major area with the Raleigh-Durham and a ton of other large schools closeby. It's a more fun environment.

[@tyrenjackson4278]

this show is great

[@haywood8990]

Show is really refreshing the football debate so much better than first take

[@grant21999]

The Stanford argument is hard to defend, but if you can recruit you can win anywhere.

[@johnwatsoniv384]

This show is amazingly reasoned and intelligent from all sides when talking about this vs talking about basketball lol

[@sanche95]

People are mistaking 'Notre Dame being stuck in the past' with the fact that the alumni and fanbase appreciate the fact that Notre Dame has such a rich and accomplished history. As do the Yankees, Canadiens, Cowboys, etc. Doesn't mean they are stuck; the tradition, the lore, the history is rich, beloved, and cherished. Years from now Alabama fans will reminisce in what's been happening now.

[@Britton_Thompson]

I'm not as close or plugged in to the ND program as you probably are, but from the outside looking in, it does look like Notre Dame is stuck in the past compared to the other great programs. Take ND's stadium and facilities for example. They only just now renovated them a year ago. Prior to that they still had the old wooden bleachers & scoreboard-- no jumbotron video board. They also still make the players live in the same dormitories as the rest of the student body. Even now they still don't have a football only operations building like all the other major college programs. No, they're still based in the stadium itself. Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and USC all have long, proud histories just as great as Notre Dame's, yet they've all successfully updated their football programs facilities to stay on the cutting edge. Go on here and look at some of the videos of what Alabama has done in the past decade. Alabama stays proactive with their program & facilities, never allowing the competition to catch up. They've also done a magnificent job of combining the past, present, and future into Bryant Denny Stadium. Since all these other traditional superpowers have also been successful in modern times too, all of ND's past success can sorta come off as looking more like ancient history than a proud history.

[@TheDaddynate]

Stanford is a sexier school than Notre Dame even if it's high on academics, it's in the Bay area, not in northeastern Indiana

[@blumax961]

South Bend is is 90 mi from Chicago so that would make it Northwestern Indiana.

[@TheDaddynate]

Taj Murphy - It's only about 150 to drive across the whole state. 90 miles to the east of Chicago is halfway across Indiana and out of the Chicago area. Some may go to Chicago to hang out on weekends but that is a long trip due to traffic.

[@TheDaddynate]

Taj Murphy - Stanford sits in the core of the Bay area in Palo Alto. Tons of nightlife, tons of beautiful people etc. Head and shoulders a cooler college to go to than Notre Dame. The athletes needed to compete on a major level are increasingly less about school, more about the sport every generation. You think Notre Dame stinks now, in 20 years they'll be on the level of the service academies. The southern schools with the best facilities and coaches will dominate college football until another trend comes along.

[@TheDaddynate]

Well ND lost to Navy, so maybe that 20 is more like 5 years and they'll struggle to be a .500 team. Should've joined a conference and loosened the grip on academics from the athletics if they want to really stay competitive. ND is going to be more Northwestern/Rutgers than a power in the future, no kids want to go there.

[@pcNOTaMAC]

Nate TheDaddy did you see Stanfords senior day? Like 5,000 fans there. Unbelievable. Never would happen at ND

[@MrSmitht04]

They mention the weather in south bend. Michigan and Ohio aren't exactly warm lol it's all about coaching. A great coach can take average players and win. A Mediocre coach can lose with all the talent in the world. If the Irish had an elite coach. They'd be contenders

[@derek8147]

Exactly. Coach Kelly needs to go and if he doesn't provide for ND this year, I am positive he will be fired. It would be amazing to get a coach like Urben Meyer for the program to get us a championship.

[@geraldos9094]

Put away your scrap books, these kids nowadays don't care about winning one for the gripper.

[@sdup1987]

Skip said he'd live in Palo Alto, but he didn't say East Palo Alto lol.

[@mitchfricano]

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban could not get half the players they already get through admissions if either one of the them was coaching at ND

[@geraldos9094]

Steve Spurrier couldn't get the players at SC that he had at Florida, therefore he didn't have the same success. Nick Saban couldn't get the same players into Norte Dame that he can get into Alabama because of admission policies.

[@Ewash100]

Actually USC has put the most people in the NFL Joe Klatt

[@hillco.8530]

Joel klatt the GOAT

[@trumetalheadonmauiey9715]

If you,re winning it,s a great job.Notre Dame now is in the backseat to programs like Alabama, Florida St., and Ohio St. These programs are thriving because of coaching and recruiting now that parity is a big part of College football.1988 was the last National Title the Irish won under Lou Holtz.

[@tylerweidler9493]

Regardless of this season, the fact that he didn't mention Oklahoma loses him a lot of credibility

[@joeygillis3229]

lol i'm pretty sure ND is in the top 10 for number of players currently in the NFL. He has no clue what hes talking about.

[@sanche95]

Joel Klatt is one of the most intelligent college football personalities out there today. Also, people saying FSU is one of the best jobs out there? You are either a fan, have a bias, or are too young to know anything outside of recent college football history.

[@jaybrown3341]

The curse of Ty Willingham👉🏾🎯

[@fload46d]

ND needs a better defense and more powerful running.

[@Britton_Thompson]

Notre Dame is a good job, but no longer a great job. Hypothetically, yes, you still can win a national championship at ND, but it's becoming harder with each year of mediocrity. The things that gave ND an advantage over everyone else for so long have either been neutralized, or in some cases, removed entirely. The reason I don't believe you can still classify Notre Dame in the same rarified air as Alabama, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, and Ohio State is because of location. In particular, the dismal recruiting grounds in the northernmost Midwest states. Notre Dame has to rely on national recruiting to be a championship contending program, because not only is their "seat of power" not very good to begin with, they'll also be battling Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State for the few blue chip prospects in their region. With those programs having more recent successes and a higher prestige in the eyes of high school kids nowadays, Notre Dame is left in the most unenviable position of all. There's also no guarantee you can get those prospects qualified and admitted either. While it may be true that great coaches like Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and Jim Harbaugh could make ND a legitimate powerhouse again, those types of coaches most likely wouldn't want to go there in the first place. According to the HS recruiting services, the state of Alabama is the #4 state in producing talent. The state of California is #2; Ohio #7; Texas #3. Even when Alabama, USC, Texas, and Ohio State are down, they will be more likely to land those elite coaches capable of reversing their fortunes since they have all the money, exposure, prestige, and history that Notre Dame offers, but with the advantage of better recruiting resources to tap into right away without having to prove themselves on the field first.

[@honeybbqtwist9768]

notre dame is great and always will be

[@DeadlyRaging]

Harbaugh is up there with best coaches

[@itssmoothforeman9281]

not at all

[@bennyrobinson1935]

he's winning now with a team that has sucked for a decade

[@sanche95]

Most coaches haven't won national championships.

[@sikid4000]

@jack harrington NFC championship? That's nfl level smart guy.

[@chrisworkman9390]

He makes some valid points. I think one reason they struggle today is because kids don't see it as a glitz and glamour school. Since social media has taken over society we have become prisoners of the moment. Nowadays it's all about glitz, glamour, and being popular. Most kids aren't playing football for a degree anyway because you don't need a degree for the NFL. I seriously think Notre Dame needs a change and it starts with Swarbrick and Kelly.

[@benashworth7653]

skip is right about Moss. ND wins a national title and Randy wins the Heisman and they get another elite 5 years after

[@jjlee9316]

3:13 skip Bayless thinks about Richard Sherman

[@anthonybenjamin3150]

still taking shots at sherman

[@tg1395]

Notre Dame dame is good they just are having a bad year because all most all there players were freashmans now next year lots of players will be sophmores so they will know what there are doing and win there 13th championship GO IRISH

[@rustedgreen5916]

Joel Klatt what do you think we’re stupid? Stanford gets “creative” on their student athletes admission policies. They cheat you fool. At Norte Dame at least they all can speak in complete sentences. The heralded “genius” Richard Sherman. Guess what his major was? Communications. Otherwise known as the lowest tier in difficulty offered. He’s not the only one, trust me. Stanford has a double standard regarding admissions for it’s athletes.

[@duanemountain4461]

HE REALLY DOES I MEAN IF HE WAS ANY WORSE HE WOULD OF BEEN FIRED

[@FootballMatrix]

ND is not a great job!! 1.Grades 2. weather 3. Not close to large amounts of players If FSU is open and ND is open FSU is a better job

[@FootballMatrix]

Chicago talent is not close to many areas. Chi town isnt a hotbed for elite talent. ND has the brand but little substance and they have the academic restrictions.

[@MrJlo1017]

David Lawson I disagree. I am from Chicago. There's definitely talent here. ND has in the past pulled from here especially from the very tough Chicago Catholic League.

[@MrJlo1017]

David Lawson Ohio is another state ND pulls from...as well as Michigan

[@FootballMatrix]

the talent is from texas, Socal, florida, GA, some parts of ohio and Louisiana every where else is just scraps

[@MrJlo1017]

David Lawson And ND still does pull top 10 classes regularly still

[@raveouscarlias4479]

Is Skip EVER RIGHT about anything?

[@charlieweislastbeltloop7804]

There's a guy name Marcus Freeman who is about to shock the world

[@taylorsmith9629]

No he didn’t he really regressed ND this year and Kelly is a huge underachiever.

[@charlieweislastbeltloop7804]

@@taylorsmith9629 how bout now

[@samweiss5069]

it's not like shaw and stanford have been that great even head to head with Note dame. Sure Stanford won last year, but it's gone back and forth as of late.

[@ericsmith8254]

Auburn is a top job and so is Bama then USC and texas

[@Kennyarnold16]

the only coach that I think could beat nick saban on a regular basis is Urban Meyer.

[@bennyrobinson1935]

harbaugh

[@bphnprospect3676]

notre dame needs to join a conference, students wanna play for conference titles!!!!!!!

[@stephenstills2]

They aleeady are in a conference for most sports, called the ACC. But not in football.

[@Quadage-ch8hn]

BPHN Prospect I’d rather have the choice to play hard teams than be in a conference with mediocre teams.

[@oldmcdonald9582]

does klatt really think that these schools hold football players to the same academic standards as regular students. come on joel really?

[@_cali187x_3]

Yeah but Pete carrol won a super bowl and sent more players in the nfl and national title. Saban was horrible in the nfl

[@88smjls]

Michigan is not a great job, they have 1 national title that they share with Nebraska in 100 years. Championships with leather helmets 100 years ago don’t count.

[@hbizzle8037]

they need Rudy

[@hbizzle8037]

+Michael Chavez indeed it was ... indeed it was

[@DC4L1991]

This dude Klatt is annoying to me

[@dylanpiazza6358]

and hes missing the point that ND doesnt sell itself anymore. hes making their point for them

[@Mont3000]

I know right, did he go there or what. His argument make no sense unless he is an undercover recruiter.

[@socalchargers]

He's a Nick Saban nut-hugger for sure

[@kelleyboy3]

6 years removed and it’s clear now that Joel Klatt wasn’t invited back to Undisputed because Skip didn’t like his objectiveness, honesty and that mere fact that Joel owned him in every conversation.

[@PS-vc2yz]

I hope Klatt was just taking the other side, because his arguments are ridiculous.

[@PS-vc2yz]

Because a "great" job would entail being able to win national championships. Notre Dame's time has passed. The days of Rocket Ismail and Tim Brown enticing a Randy Moss to want to come are over. The days of Notre Dame having a monopoly on TV are over. Add their academic standards and bad weather and Notre Dame will never be the college football force it once was. This generation of young kids wants the SEC, Ohio State, Michigan. USC and Texas will eventually be forces again. The advent of social media and Saturday football games on numerous channels makes the chances of Notre Dame rising back to the college football elite status on a consistent basis unlikely.

[@PS-vc2yz]

The weather is just one factor. Not the only factor. Coaching absolutely matters. You are making my point. No top college or pro coach is going to go to Notre Dame and fight with admissions on elite players. So how can it be a great football job if they can't get great football coaches? Bob Davie? Tyrone Willingham? Charlie Weiss? Brian Kelly? And when you talk about Stanford, are they winning a national championship anytime soon?

[@PS-vc2yz]

Oh and yes I do think Texas will be back. They are very young (freshmen QB) and scoring lots of points. They ever get that defense together and they will be good again. Dede Westbrook from Oklahoma (a Texas kid) killed them last week. He went to Oklahoma before Strong got to Texas. Imagine he stayed in state?

[@RT22-pb2pp]

Compared to Tulsa state girls school lol. Their academics always brought up. What do they require others do not. Give me specifics or shut up. What exact standards are higher. Need higher sat score what exactly. General statements do not impress me give me facts figures or shut up about academic standards. Name last rocket scientist or rhodes scholar fiotball player they had?

[@mroerled]

Not enough good looking women in South Bend

[@dustin5007]

Roll Tide World MF'in Wide ! Clearly you have never been to South Bend and especially not the ND campus. The problem isn't that the women aren't attractive the problem is that they aren't stupid. You can't trick the ND girls the way you can the Arizona State girls. Lol

[@juliusbanks6936]

Bruh people from Indiana are gross lol

[@doesnotexist305]

Notre Dame football is the single most overrated program in all of college sports.