Feature Filmmaking - When and Why to Delete Scenes

[@Nathan_Bair]

The Diarrhea Brothers: Directors Cut?

[@joeltalksaboutmovies]

Shockingly the version you saw was the directors cut, we managed to keep Big Diarrhea’s greasy fingers off that one

[@Nathan_Bair]

@ The Diarrhea is sacred.

[@rudeboyspodcast]

@@joeltalksaboutmovies I'm not at all surprised. You put every possible thing you thought of into that film, and it shows.

[@GreatKazooka]

The Diarrheactor's Cut

[@hailsatan5202]

Tagline: all the shit

[@codyclarke]

I can confirm that Joel had a machete. It made it very terrifying to be directed by him

[@joeltalksaboutmovies]

Unfortunately it’s the only way I can get anyone to listen to me!!!

[@nairocamilo]

​@@joeltalksaboutmoviesDefending yourself, huh?! CANCELLED ON CLUB PENGUIN!

[@liambaldwin3614]

so excited to see these discussion videos post your 12 movies. So much to learn and hear about. W Goat Joel Filmmaker

[@SkyGuy7]

I've watched every movie over the 12 months and hiccups was by far my favorite. Thank you for all these beautiful movies, and each inspired me in it's own way. Maybe one day my films will be as good as yours!

[@KaladinPaladin]

Hiccups was probably my favorite film of the year, I love seeing this breakdown

[@filmermati]

Anthpo cameo in Hicupps!!

[@cookierill]

My original cut of my documentary Racine Grace was also 2.5 hours, Joel, because I was adamant of having it structured geographically over a whole 22-hour day, watching me and my friend Khloë go from place to place like in the Before movies. But after it was chosen to play at the Chinese Theater next month, I was inspired to quickly whip up a 96-minute abridged cut, and while it was hard to give up almost ALL of that real-time continuity, it might be my favorite feature I've ever done because of how emotionally focused it is. I took out almost all the scenes that weren't explicitly about Khloë's difficulties (and then some more than were), while praying that the casual conversations in the middle of the very long takes would give enough background info on her that the audience could see her as MORE than those struggles. My other trans filmmaker friend Violet Valentine recently said something really profound: That "every movie should have a 90-minute cut for first viewing, and a 3-hour cut for every viewing after", and I really see a lot of the truth in that. It's wonderful to live in a movie for hours, but you need to get attached to it first, almost like a romantic partner.

[@joeltalksaboutmovies]

That’s huge about The Chinese Theater screening! Congrats! Excited to hear more about the documentary, would love to watch it. I hope you and Khloë have been well. The thought of every movie having a longer version to watch after is interesting, I know there are some movies that have both series and movie versions that could very well be watched as such. Though unless otherwise instructed, I always feel compelled to watch the “complete” version first if given the option. No matter what a rewatch of a good movie always feel fuller, even if it goes by faster. One of the many benefits of having final say over your art, no matter which version(s) wind up existing, they are all directors cuts! It’s absurd how the practice of taking final cut away from directors has made “directors cuts” a necessary thing in the first place.

[@cookierill]

@@joeltalksaboutmovies Aww, thank you soooooo much, Joel

[@cookierill]

Hey @joeltalksaboutmovies I just wanted you to know that I just confirmed the date of my Racine Grace screening for Sunday February 16 at 10AM. I know it's not a great time slot and you're a busy guy, but I still think this is a big win for folk filmmaking that we'd all be honored for you to attend

[@ComedyBros5]

I'm just here to say that the scene where Patrick and Hannah are fighting outside in the mist is one of the best things I've seen in anything ever. I'd love to see how you all tackled that. It also makes me want you to make your own version of Pride and Prejudice. lol. That atmosphere you captured in it was gorgeous.

[@SHIFTKICK]

loved this discussion. it was very enlightening to the movie making process, like that youre shooting these scenes that all feed into to a bigger picture but there might not be a 100% certain script

[@danielthehuman107]

It's silly to compare the 12 features but I think Hiccups really hit something for me. You can just feel the love that went into that thing in every scene.

[@skinslip]

*banging on pots and pans while walking up and down the aisle* RELEASE THE HAVER CUT!! RELEASE THE HAVER CUT!! All joking aside, thanks for sharing your wonderful art with us, you are one of my favorite filmmakers at present.

[@DrMasaki]

It's super inspiring to hear you talk about your creative process and the challenges you face when making your movies! I hope I can find the courage to make a movie this year. Thanks Joel!

[@tobyainscough]

So cool to hear more on your thought process, these sorts of videos are really invaluable to me and many others! Please make more of these!

[@phreeesubz]

*Thank you for sharing Joel*

[@choiie]

Just finished Hiccups. Amazing film

[@EsquirebobAnimations]

Incredible! Gotta do a Hiccups re-watch soon.

[@tobyainscough]

Considering how your filmmaking has evolved over time and how you now include less “breaks”. Would you ever be interested in releasing a gag reel for any of the films?

[@justin_ashburn]

I love this. Thanks for giving us a peek into the kind of decisions you have to make when creating your films. Since we don't get physical releases, I'll happily take this as the extras and director dvd commentary. More, please!

[@andreasvanriet]

Glad you could give them a space and we got to see them! I completely destroyed the deleted scenes of my first feature film and regret it very much. Just uploaded some deleted scenes of my latest short. Even if they're not always on the same quality level as the finished project, it's still a beautiful time capsule and a sweet bonus (remembering DVD's)

[@Black_Jesus3005]

Hiccups was one of my top 3 from the 12. Definitely one of your best films imo Joel.

[@vitotito12]

For some reason I didn't have time to watch Hiccups,but these deleted scenes without context are so good that I am going to watch it. Sooo yeah, keep up the good work Haver of Joels.

[@matthewvanzandt6589]

Thanks for the extra peak behind the curtain Joel

[@whatupdude96]

Really interesting, hope you do more deleted scenes/bts for the other movies. Congrats again on 12 movies, truly admirable ❤

[@jennabee309]

Been thinking about you this week, hoping you're all right 🩷 Loved Hiccups and love hearing more about the process behind it!

[@RobTFilms]

I'd love to see the longer cut of Hiccups, it's actually one of my two favourites of what you released last year

[@CityState_of_Valletta]

thank you Skylar very cool

[@jenniferbauman]

Behind the scenes of my favorite of the 12 movies? Yes please! I need to film a Michigander's Rom Com for Oscars night now. Time to think like a Pooh Bear.

[@MasterEth]

I can't believe anthpo got cut out of a film

[@adammonroeproductions]

I like how all the movies Joel made last year were so unique, and made in different ways. There's still a couple I have to go back and watch. I like a lot of bigtime Hollywood filmmakers too - their films are still mostly good - but after 30 or 40 years, it does start to feel like variations on a theme, like they are repeating themselves. This is why I feel fortunate to have never had much success at anything; you can just keep on making art, the way you want to make it, without having to meet people's expectations or become a slave to your own conventions.

[@mjgvids.]

I believe you would really like the movie Pompo: The Cinéphile. It's all about film-making, and the final part has a really touching scene about editing, and many of the things you talk about rings true in that scene. The whole movie is about the creation of a movie in a limited time, how and what the director needs to do, and I think anyone into film making will find something in it they can relate to.

[@OintmentNailhead]

Please make a video on how you got the wizard powers for the 9th movie! I think it'd be really funny to use to prank my friends and such.

[@johnalanh.mp4]

Thank you for sharing, helps a lot! 🖤

[@TheBrilliantBrick]

Love this Joe guy. Great inspiration 👍👍👍triple thumbs

[@Bhetol]

Is there a reason you cut out all the scenes of people hiccuping? I kept waiting for the hiccups to come but they never did. NGL without the hiccup scene I have zero idea why you would call the film that, feels like a missed opportunity

[@HeadbutKneecap]

The little side with the extra having an existential crisis is in no way confusing. That’s such a great little meta moment that’s pulled off so well. Don’t assume that your audience is dumb. We love films, man. We love this sort of shit.

[@NaOHNoah]

Post the deleted scenes as shorts! The first scene you showed would make an awesome short! (I'm only 5 minutes into the video) I want more deleted scenes in my life!

[@dislikeusername]

yo Joel my boy did u see in the AS OFF THE AIR thing? The "Cringe" one. Happy to see u and Mr Flame featured there! Keep on keepin' on 😇

[@VecTron5]

I'd love to see deleted scenes as a feature if you released a dvd/bluray collection of the films.

[@NoLucha]

3:47 Hey it's that Anthony guy!

[@rohanimations]

This is a lovely breakdown, would be an awesome bonus feature on a dvd. Was Hiccups somewhat scripted or did y’all just sort of feel it out as you went? I was wondering while watching bc of the chronology and how some moments are revisited later on.

[@thecomicrelief]

This was really fun, I loved the movie.

[@jacobswanson6876]

This guy.. makes 12 feature films and now he’s an expert amiright?

[@MelchVagquest]

I actually really like the deleted scene on the ferry where he jokes about her having exes and a past life before meeting him. When I was younger, I really struggled with that aspect of dating and got jealous easily. It was nice to see that your male lead was mature enough in that area

[@TheSquareOnes]

Excited to hear more of the behind the scenes for the project now that the time crunch is out of the way, even more excited to actually see cut footage! Any chance of releasing an extended edition at some point or was that already disposed of along the way?

[@gettingintrospective]

Amen

[@koreboar4646]

I love Hiccups, very fun

[@ChloePees]

Glad I’m not the only one who burps in videos lol

[@eliotstevenson2041]

What's next? Are you going back to weekly videos on your channel or is there a new challenge you are setting for yourself?

[@ToomanyFrancis]

Only two and a half hours? Pretty sure the average rom com is 223 minutes.

[@TheOrian34]

You've given these cut scenes a second life through that video. It's a bit like in game dev, you have to learn how to cut superfluous mechanics and content to keep the experience tight.

[@monononny3974]

Hi Joel!

[@hendomas7435]

hove you scrapped any entire films or ideas of films?

[@elpollomuerte]

Give us all the deleted scenes!

[@HalcyonGames]

It's always been Wankershim.

[@finnv5459]

You cut the anthpo cameo?!

[@Jaws31]

He got anthpo in this?!

[@NoLucha]

1:16

[@doctordoctor7469]

These cuts are pretty clear from the outside. Maybe just get some opinions from people's first watch?

[@cakerbaby69]

First

[@pierrecabot]

Dude why do you let your hair grow back

[@dopaminecloud]

it looks awesome

[@SomeThingElseYT]

Glad to make the cut 🫵🫡 (was great hanging out regardless ❤)