CNC Machining Center Part 7

[@davestrong6472]

Thanks for taking the mystery out of these Oder Fadal machines, make me less nervous about buying one.dave

[@joepie221]

Good machines with readily available spare parts and service help. No fear necessary.

[@williambarrett7108]

I am really enjoying this series and I hope you can continue with these videos, I really learn allot from them, as well as your other videos. At work I am learning to use a Haas machining center and these videos really help me out! thank you!

[@joepie221]

Ask a question if you have one. I may have the answer for you.

[@Chubbza5]

I couldn't imagine bringing a bridgeport up a flight of stairs! Great video Joe!

[@joepie221]

Hey Chubbza, good to hear from you. I watched his video and was amazed at his resolve. Pure desire. It was one of his moving into his new shop videos. But first he had to get his machines out of his basement. Wow.

[@DCT_Aaron_Engineering]

Great video Joe. Very well explained mate. Cheers Aaron

[@joepie221]

Thanks

[@BasementShopGuy]

Joe - finally going back to friend's shop tomorrow and I'll have the entire day to go through this series again. I'll keep ya posted on my progress. And thanks (again) for doing series!

[@joepie221]

Hi Brad. Feel free to reach out if you have a question or problem. Good luck.

[@dustinmasters9239]

Hey Joe! Just got my Fadal last week! Loved this series!

[@DUCKS2525]

Thank you so much for your video's! I have a fadal machine and learning new things everyday especially from your video's. Thanks you and keep them comin!!!

[@joepie221]

Will do.

[@fredgenius]

Thanks Joe, great video. Did you know, some machines allow another 48 work offsets, stored as G54.1, G54.2 etc, up to G54.48? In practice though, these are rarely used.

[@joepie221]

No. I didn't know that. I'll have to see if that works on this machine. Thanks.

[@fredgenius]

Mach3 uses a better system, you can use G54 P1, G54 P2, up to P254, so you can have 254 work offsets. Problem is remembering which is for what fixture lol!

[@joepie221]

That would be great if you had a tooling plate with pinned drop on tooling / fixtures. You would never have to change the offsets. just keep a few reserved for the odd jobs.

[@fredgenius]

Beware though, I did some repairs on a Fanuc once, had to take the mobo out, when I re-installed it had lost all its work and tool offsets.

[@joepie221]

If your controller battery dies, the same thing happens.

[@mrfarmall-vk4gw]

Just watched the cnc series. Learned a great deal, nice job

[@joepie221]

Thanks.

[@BasementShopGuy]

Yeah baby! Thanks so much Joe - so helpful!

[@joepie221]

Hey Brad. Hows your time on that Fadal coming along?

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

Brad, did you get a Fadal?

[@MatthewTang_trailcode]

I like the UI simple but dead on.

[@gentharris]

Cool, I have never used E values, always G54, 55 etc on HAAS and Fanuc controls. We have a fairly large semi-sacrificial aluminum plate that I use for thru hole ops on big stainless parts, It has a 1/2" hole in one corner stamped G110, I can send the machine to G 110 X0 YO , Stick a dowel in the hole and bolt it down and be REAL close to set up for another 36" 42 hole BC LOL Yea gotta turn the part at least once....... done bigger... If we had a mill with a table the size of an aircraft carrier deck I might be happy LOL

[@vernonkarm8016]

G53 = Cold Start Position. G54 = E1, G55 = E2, etc. You can use either on a Fadal, it will read the same. E1 is usually used in Format 1. Fixture offsets G54 etc are used by Fanuc controls (Format 2).

[@joepie221]

Thanks. I just started experimenting with the G54 codes when Brad asked me about them. I can utilize the E series offset quite easily.

[@NChambernator]

OMG so stable.... Nice camera haha.. You are an excellent teacher!

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

Joe, do you use a spindle or table probe of any type for setting work offsets or tool offsets? It's extremely helpful and fast. I'm still working on writing some macros so I can run the probing macro at the beginning of a program to automatically set work offsets for me.

[@joepie221]

I don't use one. If I have a fixture with multiple locations, I drive from 1 central tooling hole and have the program hard coded to go to those other locations. my offsets are so easy and fast to set, I probably won't make the investment.

[@ryankondratieff2077]

Enjoy your videos thank you. Recently purchased a Fadal 3016 myself so still getting familiar with it. Could you do a video on tool offsets if you ever have time? I am having trouble figuring out how to set the Z height without touching off every tool for different parts. Thanks again.

[@joepie221]

Unless you have a tool probe and standard carousel, you are somewhat locked into setting every tool everytime. If you standardize your tools, you could set a hard tip tool in one of your holders and reference the contact Z reading between parts and mass modify the entire carousel in the offset register. I have done that with 100% success.

[@ryankondratieff2077]

Ok great thank you for that I will give it a try. Appreciate it. Look forward to more videos.

[@bcbloc02]

So did I understand correctly you can only have 6 preset offsets?

[@fredgenius]

See my comment above...

[@joepie221]

Using only the G54 thru G59 yes. using the E system I use on my machine, I believe you can have 48. Fred Genius said you can split the G54 region into decimal numbers and get to 48 as well. I didn't know that.

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

Format 1 is Fadal format and Format 2 Fanuc format. From what i understand Format 1 (Fadal format) will run most or all of Fanuc commands "standard type g-code", I'm not positive because I run Format 2 mostly. I'm starting to run Format 1 aka Fadal format because it seems to give me more options especially when drip feeding with use of DNCX. I've never had any luck with the graphics function but my machine is much older and maybe graphics are not working for me because I'm drip feeding in format 2, I have no choice but to drip feed because of the age of my machine and the fact I have basically no memory in the controller to speak of. I think graphics may work better if I used Format 1. The YT channel "At-Man Unlimited" is an amazing channel for Fadal owners and is probably one of the best(and quickly becoming the best) resource for info on how to assess, run, program and maintain a Fadal machine that I have come across. Many thanks go out Joe Pie and Tim @ At-Man Utld along with all the others for all their time spent sharing their knowledge and experiences in machining with us. It's much appreciated!

[@joepie221]

Thank you very much. Glad to help. Does your machine have an RS232 port around the back?

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

Yes sir, I currently run a Calmotion USB to RS232

[@joepie221]

I love those. Mine works very well.

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

I have been very happy with mine also. Compared to wasting time trying to figure out a USB to RS232 adapter that will work or hassling with the huge pain of getting and maintaining a old machine that has a serial port, the Calmotion is a no brainer! It just flat out works. Thanks Joe Edit: Hey joe you ever thought about or heard of anybody having any success using a wireless usb flash drive like this? www.google.com/search?q=wireless+usb+flash+drive&tbm=shop&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0woLm8pXTAhUP7GMKHbCcAysQ_AUICCgB&biw=1536&bih=774&dpr=1.25

[@billcooley5527]

I use the forward slash to make a comment to the user, like use flood lubricant for next 20 lines

[@joepie221]

I'll have to try that.

[@jamicat]

G54 is handy on the lathe, instead of re-zeroing all tools, to utilize drops and make an extra part.

[@joepie221]

I have to confess to having zero experience on a CNC lathe.

[@jamicat]

Joe Pieczynski, Its a different thing , not easy peasy. Im glad I started CNC on this thing, cause the rest is actually easy peasy. Wire EDM, Routers and such. :)

[@SuperHeritic]

that '/' is a forward slash (falling forward), this '\' is a backslash. Most often, not interchangeable and best addressed properly.

[@joepie221]

I think you'd be surprised how many people call them opposite of what you just said. They may be wrong, but I hear it all the time.

[@Try01]

Great videos, you are a good teacher, i was wondering whats the name of your cnc and how much does it cost on the market? :)

[@joepie221]

Its a FADAL 4020A. You should be able to get one in good shape for about 30K. Then plan on spending another 10 getting it delivered, setup, wired and tooled.

[@Try01]

Thanx, i hope one day i will be able to afford it

[@dustinmasters9239]

Love this series Joe! When is Part 8?

[@joepie221]

Is there something specific you need assistance with?

[@dustinmasters9239]

Joe Pieczynski actually no, nothing specific. You actually just explained g- code better than I’ve really ever heard anyone else. I’m applying for a job at a place that does a lot of cnc, and you just boosted my confidence! 👍

[@adad2757]

what year model is the vmc/controller?

[@joepie221]

The machine was manufactured in 2000. I believe the controller was updated in 2012 to the flatscreen and expanded memory version. I bought immediately after it was refurbished. Its been very good to me.

[@bikefarmtaiwan1800]

Great!

[@gusmcgussy3299]

Fadal is probably THE worst control to do a series on

[@joepie221]

Not for someone that has one and needs help.

[@nemisthis]

Unless You Own a Fadal. And some of us Do. then they are useful .not everyone owns a machine with Fanuc controls

[@Spartan117TJ]

Friend amigo como se hace roscado o tap en esa fadal. Helpme with the program for tapping

[@joepie221]

My machine is set for rigid tapping. I'd be happy to shoot a segment on that if your machine has the same capability. Let me know.

[@Spartan117TJ]

@@joepie221 it is great , please thanks i want it

[@Spartan117TJ]

@@joepie221 my cnc fadal 4020 and another 3020 can not thread, i can not make the thread work please help me

[@ronalddavis]

huh?

[@joepie221]

Thats exactly how I felt 4 years ago.