1961 Seeburg AY100U Jukebox Restoration (Part 75 of 87).

[@steve7931]

John just noticed , re polish the top of the thrust pin to be perfectly flat, the one you just installed,, it showed an indentation from being over tightened in the past. You still have a clutch problem , The oil you are using is making it stick, use only sewing machine oil !!!!! And clean off all that grease !!!! Sparingly is a word to be addeared to apply only a smidgin if you have to with a 1/8 inch water colour paint brush very lightly !!!!

[@paulyh4531]

Nice to see it picking a record up again 👍

[@steve7931]

John, remove the clutch unit, clean it completely with petrol to remove all signs of grease. After reassembly only use sewing machine oil on moving or contact points. Don't use grease at this stage until all adjustments are complete then only sparingly !!! .

[@mathewbailey6718]

I know of an instance of a Seeburg SMC 1 that had a similar issue with the plate on top of its clutch. The carriage would move but in a jerky manner because of a missing top ball bearing but nonetheless,it would scan,properly play & return the records.

[@skycarl]

I just stay amazed at how all of this was designed and engineered to do all of this. Kudos to you John for staying tough on this marvelous machine my friend.

[@stevewithers6766]

Found myself sat here with a big smile on my face when it played side A.. Well done you..

[@TheOpenAirGarage]

Lots of little victories. On to the next thing. Pretty exciting.

[@joernone]

I'm winning small battles, but the war goes on. LOL Regards, John

[@MrBrendog67rat]

i would think so. so when the clutch comes up, dose it run the mechanism for the record and tone arm? and when the clutch comes down dose it drive the scan? also dose the motor change directions ? maybe the clutch is still messed up. John you have some incredible patients , i think i would have taken a sledgehammer to it. i would have walked away from it for a wile! Way to go John!!

[@joernone]

The turntable is always turning as the carriage makes its way down the track driven by the clutch being engaged with the lower sprocke pint, but a record plays when the clutch moves to the middle, between its upper and lower positions. And you're right about the clutch needing re-adjustment. That'll come later. Regards, John

[@rciancia]

Major progress John. I believe that jumping when you reject the record is 1 of 2 things... either the thrust plate needs that allen screw to be adjusted, or the unit goes into a seek mode to find out where it is on the Tormat Memory unit. not sure.. either way, you will nail it down !!!!! Really really good. - Ron

[@joernone]

Ron, It is the clutch, my friend,...needs readjustment now that the thrust plate is back on. We'll get back to it after the current adjust mess is wrapped up. Regards, John

[@gordoncole6989]

Hi John, You are getting there my friend, slowly but surely. I am certain you will have her up and running pretty soon. Way to go John.

[@joernone]

Gordon, I appreciate your continued confidence, my friend. Time will tell. This old juke better understand that it'll be my way...or my way! LOL Regards, John

[@mspysu79]

Here we go adjusting, adjusting, adjusting. Adjusting all the day! Getting closer every video.

[@joernone]

Fun in the sun, eh? Regards, John

[@tectalabyss]

Looking great John. All my best.

[@umajunkcollector]

Wasn't there a ch called SEEBURG ROCKS by a guy named Glen? I think he also was into RCA 45 players? I found RETROCHAD on fakebook, look up Rare Electronics and Audio Lab, he also has a web ch with archives: www.retroaudiolab.com/

[@joernone]

Thanks, Bobby. We're getting there, my friend, but we still have a ways to go. Each new day is a mystery. What will next week bring? LOL Regards, John

[@penfold178]

still doing a grand job john keep it up with you all the way my friend weather a lot better there john than here in the uk where getting ready for round two with the return of the beast from the east again brrrrrrrrr lol at the weekend watching you'r vids will make us warm at this end cheers for great entertainment john loving every minute of it my friend thank you .

[@mathewbailey6718]

I just recently thought of something,Is the carriage sticking with the record magazine off? If not look at the Tormat strip & the contact block that moves along it. I'm thinking the contact block is binding on the Tormat in several places along it & causing the carriage to stick. The parts of the Tormat might be warped or bent or where the carriage is sticking, those parts of the Tormat might not be adequately lubricated. I had a similar issue with a Seeburg SPS2 mech in which the contact block that moves along the strip for the selection playing indicator was dirty & not properly lubed, causing the carriage to stick, plus parts parts of the selection indicator strip need cleaning,any warped or bent spots straightened & re-lubing.

[@jp040759]

I was real glad to see that carriage slider move to the left. Cool. Getting that.

[@joernone]

Me, too, my friend. Everyday is a new surprise, eh? Regards, John

[@smartone1971]

John when it stops and start clicking check the trust plate and see in it is that gear jumping!

[@joernone]

Good idea, my friend. I'll do that today. Regards, John

[@StealthParrot]

I feel like you are really making progress on this John. It is amazing just how many mechanical adjustments are needed to set it up. May be slow, but I have confidence :-)

[@davidfarrell7318]

thanks john for the longer video it's very interesting and poor old 64 goat in all that snow

[@joernone]

My pleasure, David. Happy to do it. And the Old Goat will manage. He actually loves deep, deep snow. Regards, John

[@HD7100]

Well- After you finish this one the next one will go much faster. Maybe that clutch is still not working right? I think the green (or blue) transparent records are easier to see through than the red ones are. There are so many critical adjustments on that mechanism that I don't see how anyone could service it without having a service manual like you have.

[@umajunkcollector]

Yes, too complicated, like a Whirlpool washing machine? NO, WORSE

[@joernone]

There won't be another, my friend. Once is enough. LOL And I would never tackle any project this big without a manual. Can you imagine the mess I would have made. LOL Regards, John

[@brent4uc]

I just bought a 1971 USC 2 Bandshell and I want know where you bought the manual with all of these adjustments. Was a factory Seeburg or a different printing/ author???

[@russellcusack1874]

Hi John i agree with the others that you will have to readjust the clutches. The roller is not staying in the scan notch on the cam, so the clutch is jumping out. The trip lever on the clutch side has a large spring which i think keeps the roller down in the notch. This video did not show the twisted spring on its location, this needs replacing anyway. On the front face another spring has come off its mounting point it mounts parallel to the other one. If you have a look this Thermionics video kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppaTaWZtgd2dfJo at about 8 minutes in you will see the springs and how it works

[@MrBrendog67rat]

Way TO GO! it picked up the other side!

[@joernone]

Total surprise to me. I wasn't expecting it to happen. But I'm not looking a gift horse in the chops. LOL Regards, John

[@fuzzwack1]

you might have to ajust the clutch again,now you got the top plate on..

[@joernone]

Robert, I agree. Regards, John

[@AMStationEngineer]

+joernone, +skycarl, You know something John, with that thrust plate clearance being only 0.002-in, what Carl said earlier about the room temp making a difference in the functionality, i.e. the "taverns aren't cold" theory, holds quite a bit more weight. I'd say this is one gal who doesn't like cold weather...

[@umajunkcollector]

note to self, NO SEEBURGS! Scrap the dam things!

[@AMStationEngineer]

Ah, Don, now just because Seeburgs tend to 'spit' Polka 45's out thru that "seekret reject slot in the back - aimed towards the men's room", and only in the Great Lakes Region.....

[@joernone]

Don, Chicken-liver! Regards, John

[@joernone]

Tim, I'll warm it up for you with a couple of good Barbara Streisand songs. Sound like a plan, my friend? Regards, John

[@AMStationEngineer]

John, that "Polka reject" system also ejects anything "Babs-centric", remember to stand clear of the back of the machine, when it spits "Memories" out (at light speed).....

[@MsBadders]

😊

[@starcarrier1874]

John maybe you could cut a strip of soda can, or fold a layer of aluminum foil. Check it with a micrometer maybe you could get close to .002

[@joernone]

I suppose that would work, but I don't think it's that critical for a machine this old. Everything is about worn out on it. LOL Regards, John

[@ponyboymidnight]

A single, healthy, human hair is about the same thickness as .002 inch.

[@Rebel9668]

Whew, I'd hate to have been the service guy for these things that came in to change the records and do the adjustments on them, lol.

[@Jamesnov1970]

John, you still have a clutch problem

[@joernone]

James, I know. It'll just have to wait until after the current adjustments are done. Regards, Joh

[@Jamesnov1970]

There is one adjustment I have doubts about which is the cartridge weight for the record, which was the only one I could not do.

[@joernone]

James, I cover this in the next video. Patience, my friend. Regards, John

[@seawest007]

It is almost impossible to get a good working Seeburg clutch to skip. (decouple from rack the gear) On 33 RPM speed,the motor will stall be for the clutch to skips. At 45 RPM's the motor has almost double the torque. so I an not sure the you can stall it. An off the wall test is using the ends of 3 or 4 fingers, against the mechanism while it is in the scan mode and attempt to stop it. It should bend your fingers back until they heart. Now you have a good working clutch. I know, you don't have a the ASU1 Auto Speed Unit that plugs in to the Tomat receiver, to check out the clutch in 33 RPM mode.

[@joernone]

Tedfred, Hopefully, a few more tweaks and tweaks to the clutch will bring everything back in check. But it'll have to wait until after I finish with the pickup arm cradle adjustments. Regards, John

[@shanookflc]

John that reverse switch is sparking a lot does it need another cleaning.

[@joernone]

Paul, Who knows, my friend. We'll get back to that little jewel later on. Regards, John

[@ponyboymidnight]

I have always wondered about that sparking of the contacts. Seems to me that it would most definitely pit the contacts. Also; I think the clutch plate surface looks to me like it has a deep scoring or scratch which you maybe able to remove (or make better) by a lite polish with something fine like crocus cloth..

[@starcarrier1874]

Do you think there could be an issue with that lower bearing on the clutch shaft assembly. Is it adjustable or gummy?

[@joernone]

The lower bearing is clean and I haven't seen any adjustment for it, except for the downward pressure by the thrust plate allen screw adjustment. Regards, John

[@eltonandlaurafan]

That rigged grounding on the track might not be making good enough contact, and causing the jerking.

[@joernone]

I doubt it, but it will be checked. In fact, I plan to disconnect that ground wire to see if a record will still be picked up. It'll make for a good experiment. Regards, John

[@umajunkcollector]

OLD64GOAT gets a delapitated 1961 Seeburg jukebox... Bill: "Tommy, where's my magnifying glass?" Tom: "It's next to the sledge hammer" BAM Bill: "Come on Tommy, let's go to Drunken DON-nuts, after we take this dam thing to the scrap yard" Tom: OK pop, I got the toboggin too".

[@HD7100]

Hi-Hi ;)

[@joernone]

Don, Jealousy will get you nowhere, my friend. LOL Regards, John