Understanding Clipping vs Limiting

[@neverender2308]

JST-CLIP is still an unparalleled one stop shop for drums. Crazy how loud you can get the drum bus while maintaining clarity and punch.

[@ryanshreevedrums]

I mixed a hardcore track today and thought to myself “these drums are sooooo loud. But it doesn’t sound squashed”

[@neverender2308]

@@ryanshreevedrums exactly you still retain a lot of dynamics. It’s very transparent whilst also having its own subtle sound. Honestly one of my favorite/useful plugins

[@OfAbstract]

Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say KZbin, Spotify, etc without losing volume?

[@neverender2308]

@@OfAbstract probably not the most qualified person here to answer this question, however, 2 things are pretty obvious. 1.) Your final output stage on your master needs to be at least -1db output ceiling. You can google search the platform requirements. Also the Lufs which is platform dependent. So for example: -1db on the output of your limiter, and usually between -11 and -14 lufs. Use the loudness meter in your DAW set to measure lufs and match it with the requirement for which ever platform you're looking to upload to.

[@palumbotracks9925]

yess

[@5adb0i]

I love the T Racks Clipper! Absolutely killer bc you can adjust anywhere from soft clipping to hard clipping!

[@SchibbiSchibbi]

So useful. Thanks

[@PetexZen]

I love jst clip, but I do wish it had a in/out and reduction meters.

[@XRaym]

My favorite clipper is Newfrangled Audio - Saturate, it has some unique details preservatio, flexible UI with meters, soft-hard clipping morphing, and autogain compensation. :)

[@dannyleftridgemusic]

I usually always put a clipper before the limiter on my master buss and always clip my kick, snare and toms.

[@seyiiroko1575]

Me too🔥

[@Riffnugget]

But how did it get so messy?

[@IanBeato]

the attack on Pro-L 2 does not work as many might expect, instead (as per FabFilter's own documentation) “The Attack and Release knobs control how quickly and heavily the release stage sets in. Shorter attack times will allow the release stage to set in sooner; longer release times will cause it to have more effect.” As far as I know, the main difference between a limiter and a compressor (besides ration) is that a Limiter's "attack" is always instantaneous.

[@zuu1701]

Can supposed ‘experts’ please STOP saying the ‘attack’ knob on Pro L2 is used to let more transients through. It’s a BRICK WALL limiter!! The attack knob on Pro L2 is how fast the release begins..!!!! It is NOT a compressor. You CANNOT ‘let more transients through’ a brick wall limiter.

[@ghastlyshimmer]

Everytime a Joey video appears. You know you need to watch that instantly. Love the video.

[@symbolic_913]

I agree. The way he explains things is pretty well done.

[@Basu117]

JST clip also works really well on DI's before the amp sim if the DI is not aggressive enough

[@Cestariarts]

I may have a problem, I did not notice any difference between the two first clips 😔

[@asthemoon8296]

Love the JST Clip for individual instruments and drum bus. T-Racks is always on the master tho. Followed by the Sonnox Limiter and its always plenty loud 😉👍

[@checkmatenate]

My dude mains reaper lol boss

[@joeymusic]

You know what’s up 😀

[@whosyabobby]

The limiter keeps the parts that go over the clipper removes them. Perception wise

[@k-chill8428]

First result in a “clipping vs limiting” search and I wasn’t disappointed. Thanks!

[@christopherstorrier5560]

I still think Limiters give a more transparent compression with a more original tone, especially on bass guitar...i prefer a FET Boss LMB-3 bass limiter to most other types of compressors...took a while to get the settings right for whatever i was playing but now i get a great clean bass compressed tone that is very transparent without sounding over compressed...maybe limiters work better on bass...though you have to get the threshold & ratio settings right to get a great bass tone...i guess drums are different to compress compaired to bass guitar...a well done video with good info & examples.....

[@iamtygar]

what about clipping a few db and then going into your limiter on the master bus? Maximum loudness and dynamics this way?

[@TheKevbe]

FYI the first example with drums A is -11.2 LUFS integrated whereas B is -12 LUFS. It's 0,8 of a difference and to me example A sounds naturally better.

[@nigelproctor]

May not be as loud, but the limiter sounds so much more natural to me.

[@timothyforry2222]

Hey JST , excellent video. This really helps me understand exponentially. Can you do a video on the difference between color and texture in audio?

[@OurForgottenWords]

I haven't been using them but now I will thank you sir

[@ramalshebl60]

if Keith from The Try Guys was a music producer :

[@42itous]

I'm relatively new to the home production game and working with plugins, but I'm old enough to remember when Joey Sturgis was producing records 15 years ago and getting killer sounds. While I have a lot more to learn, I have learned a lot from the JST videos I've seen so far. Thanks for the tips 🤘

[@michaelrichardson8343]

Such helpful information, thanks Joey! 🤘

[@sachetsofrelish]

Got to wonder how you achieve that robotic monotone.

[@eXpas04]

Great informative video! Thank you for this!

[@lewisticknor]

What a great video and what great integrity. Buying your product. I am an old analog guy and it's finally time to start with the digital limiting.

[@yungswampfire]

On vocals limiter, on drums cliper 🎚️🎛️

[@GeekOfAudio]

What is that riff at 9:20???? SO good!!

[@LucasMichalski]

While mastering I always use two limiters (first one sometimes in soft limiting mode). What are your thoughts about using 2 limiters vs using clipper followed by limiter in mastering? Pros and cons of each. Thank you for your time and answer

[@matthewjaggers3975]

I regularly use the Sonnox Oxford Limiter, followed by Pro L2... and if it still needs a bit more control, I'll add KClip 3 in front of both of those to snag an extra db or two.

[@driftingmelodies]

You are god of audio engineering.!!! Please suggest me a free clipped plugin .I'm broke 😤.

[@alvarezgamers]

Compressors and limiters want to be lazy. Aka use them sparring and use the clippers for power punch and loudness. Baphometrix has a great series on here about Clipping to Zero aka CTZ which gives you a loud mix with lots of punch and impact.

[@mariabr8954]

Wow thank you for the educational video! I know using clippers will elevate my mixes now that I know more about them 🎉

[@theriffdjenerator2213]

maybe your best video :)

[@joeferris5086]

That music sample at 8:00 crushes. Reminds me of TBDM. Always love those 2 - 1/16s + 1 - 1/8.

[@visionary9575]

3:37 you said you would compare brickwall limiting with clippers, but the settings on Pro-L2 were far from brickwall limiting

[@matturner6890]

If anyone here is a Reaper user, the built-in saturator and wave-shaping distortion plugs do this kind of thing really well.

[@oinkooink]

Just brick wall it until there's not a crack in the wall. Slam it baby. The kids LOVE it

[@Terribleguitarist89]

A rare example of the distorted overcompression being used artistically and tastefully was in "Almost Again" by SYL.

[@OfAbstract]

Maybe someone could answer this question, I enjoy a punchier louder mix, but I heavily enjoy clarity within the loudness, but how does one go about the LUFS requirements for say KZbin, Spotify, etc without losing volume?

[@emptyinsiderecords]

I'd love to try the JST version but I'm a cheap bastard so I use the hell out of Gclip. It's free and does a great job on drums n master.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

do some of you know a plugin that previews the sound on different speakers, like an iphone speaker?

[@itswhzly]

About to buy De-Clip 2 any discount Codes Joey and the team? :)

[@shawnsteven1869]

so could one clip down into the limiter and then gain up afterwards 🤷🏾‍♂️😩

[@ChiefAmarr]

but limiter make the hhats n cymbals sound better when not push hard!

[@davidscafidi]

using L-316 after ssl comp on the master instead of L-2 but i think i want to use L-2 last in the chain. i cant seem to control L-316 as easily as L-2 when it comes to make the mix loud

[@roxasblues8225]

The guitars of the master buss session was crazy! can you tell me the name of the music?

[@kshitijk14]

Helpful!! I currently use the stock clipper and limiter in reaper on alot of things!

[@jerryfick8547]

Absolutely! I do too. People hate on js plugins because they aren't visually appealing. In my opinion they really work great.

[@kshitijk14]

@@jerryfick8547 yeah man totally agreed,i like those,the saturation and 1175 is good as well°!!

[@johnnyafro6659]

Thanks, wish I would have researched this long ago.

[@tomschlaiss5735]

Thanks for the video, cheers from Germany

[@artist6696]

hero

[@fretBeastForever]

Great video. I used to use Limiter + Clipper, but now I`m using Maximiser + Limiter!

[@urielgiovanni1854]

Thank you. This helps solve my problems producing steady double kick drums.

[@alrecks619]

Happy belated birthday, Joey! Great information as always.

[@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579]

I'm using both. My main track gets a D16 Frontier limiter set mostly to get this track's output to stay in a certain range. On my Master Bus, within Studio One, on the insert section is only 2 things, LVC Clipped-MAX and Venomode Maximal 3. The LVC Clipped-MAX has a shifter section nearly identical to ClipShifter. Next is stereo, followed by M Band, and lastly Master. The Maximal 3 is set to brick wall my output. All the meters I've added into the post section to monitor levels.

[@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579]

I've now bought the LVC Limited-MAX to use with the Clipped-MAX. I'd gotten a sale email for 40% off from LVC so I got their limiter.

[@defmike617]

Awesome video thanks man.

[@Fekesson]

At 05:36: Is it really limiting when adding attack time? I mean, the dynamic range is still the same as the loudest peaks are let through and it is not upwords compression/limiting. Im sure I got someting wrong, but this is confusing... Also, how then is the body of the drums brough up when loudest peak is the same but still a gain reduction?! The resulting signal level should then be the same hotter and quieter quiet parts. Best regards Confusius, the confusted confusion himself :)

[@Fekesson]

But ey, this is the best tutorial I've seen in a long time! Very important part of mixing

[@francovelozofabiano1553]

very cool, never really used clippers but now i certainly will

[@strylan]

I am sorry but I did not like these examples. Seems like the sound of the instruments will be changed. Which music will have so loud instruments needed.

[@joeymusic]

What kind of examples would you like to see instead?

[@strylan]

@@joeymusic I don't make music like this, I like the clear sound and the natural sound of instruments. Not too much compression and only peak limiting, meaning the top of the peaks to get the lift of the sound. But your examples are for sure great for heavy metal

[@davidasher22]

I heard that the algorithm used for hard clipping is basically the same for all clippers. Do you know if this is true?

[@jurv7626]

Yes because hard clipping is one formula Sample > Threshold Sample = Threshold If the sample is greater then the threshold it becomes equal to the threshold, if it's not this it ain't a hard clipper

[@davidasher22]

@@jurv7626 thank you. That’s basically what I was told. So I guess the selling point of a hard clipper isn’t which one sounds better but which one has the features you need like adjustable ceiling, over sampling and just basic workflow. Do you know if it’s the same with soft clipping?

[@jurv7626]

@@davidasher22 what you said about hard clippers are true, soft clippers are a different story, they either have fixed mathematical wave shapes (check out Free Clip) or a softness/slope dial (usually a knee control, the same thing you see on your compressor and on Gclip or the Flatline one) or a softness/slope dial that changes/smooths the fixed wavehape.

[@joeymusic]

JST Clip has a custom slope

[@davidasher22]

@@jurv7626 I actually use Free Clip. I normally need to use some sort of monitoring after it though because the meters on the plugin are small and hard to use. So I usually through a Pro L on the master bus just for the metering capabilities.

[@JustinNogle]

To the point and incredibly helpful - much appreciated!!!

[@danielk.5784]

Great video! Thanks for sharing!

[@two2ixmusic]

ty JS

[@hernannieto1]

Great video man, thanks !!

[@Kiss_To_Da_Sky]

What is the name of that last song? 🔥

[@kbasemuzik]

What's the name of the theme u are using

[@joeymusic]

Smooth 6

[@kbasemuzik]

@@joeymusic thank u

[@HappyMixingStudio]

NICE TIPS !

[@miltonex]

Greaaaaatt video!!!!! Thank you!!!!!

[@GrecoMEMOIREMusic]

Been loving KClip 3 lately!

[@Allious131]

I use both together to bring the best out

[@proverbalizer]

I preferred a)

[@francobuzzetti9424]

okay but , why to use a limiter or clipper?

[@tarasolegov356]

Wow, thank you Joey!!!

[@DuckyDuckerson]

So what you’re saying is I shouldn’t put L1 on every track 😂

[@jcrocks19]

Lmaooo same

[@AdamShepard]

you should try both and see what you prefer

[@ryanshreevedrums]

Put JSTclip on every track instead 😂

[@leandrosilva6414]

Great Video as always Joey!!!

[@melibate]

i love you joey

[@RJ1J]

Not exactly the best music choice for demoing limiters and clippers! Jeez! I get transients are important, but that's not all limiters and clippers do.

[@joeymusic]

What kind of examples do you think would be better?

[@RJ1J]

@@joeymusic Just the kind of tracks that your audience makes. Rather than what sounds like a drum solo.

[@timothyforry2222]

@@RJ1J no

[@RJ1J]

@@timothyforry2222 yes

[@jasonmatthew8650]

Great advice!

[@AzureSymbiote]

Thank you.

[@jcrocks19]

Does anyone know the purple plug-in he’s using? That shows the differences in the wave form

[@AxonRiseMusic]

I don't think it's a plugin, I'm pretty sure it's just a screen capture/screenshot after bouncing the track with the processing of the clipper or the limiter on it and then some editing in the video production to give it some elegance

[@jcrocks19]

@@AxonRiseMusic no it’s a plug-in someone mentioned it in another video where he was doing it and I looked it up found it but my dumbass didn’t screenshot it and now I can’t find the comment anywhere lmao

[@AHmusic]

@@jcrocks19 It's Oszillos Mega Scope

[@jcrocks19]

@@AHmusic god youre a lifesaver!!!! thank you!!

[@HolaPanda972]

I believe there is a technique to turn the PRO L2 into a clipper.

[@urielgiovanni1854]

Great videos! It’s awesome hearing a topic covered by an artist with my favorite “sonic palette.”

[@growlxxxtendo4152]

i like clipping for a more digitized music but if im doing something more raw i like limiting