John Deere 820 beats huge Massey 1155 with 4x the cylinders!!! Tractor pulling At Schuylkill County

John Deere 820 beats huge Massey 1155 with 4x the cylinders!!! Tractor pulling At Schuylkill County 8/3/22.
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[@nathanmace3936]

Torque & traction JD also had a few pulls under his belt. His weight was perfect. Massy looked straight out of the field.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

that massey had that jd in the power department.. Just not the driving

[@kennyz6533]

Local tree farmer brought this one in. I’m quite sure that this is a pretty bone stock tractor that gets used around the tree farm. He’s actually got one of his Massey tractors out for sale out by the road right now.

[@garrettvillwok3693]

I have beaten a few John Deere 4020s & 4010s with my JD 60.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

It's all about the right combo... Power and traction..

[@garrettvillwok3693]

@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING This is true, and when I beat them I love to hear how pissed they get. Lol, it's a good time.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@Garrett, yup just like everything money wont get you everything..

[@davidshumski4629]

I go pulling with a 60. You never know when your gonna get hooked up really good 👍

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@davidshumski4629 sometimes a plan comes together lol..

[@byronglover7998]

Actually the 1155 has a V-8 Perkins diesel engine so the 820 has 6 less cylinders

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@byron yes 2 x 4 is 8..

[@richarddudley9920]

You are correct but the caption reads " with 2 times the cylinders. Do the math, what is 2×4?

[@kennyz6533]

I’m from the county over and was at the fair for the pulls but couldn’t stay this late. That old 830 always holds its own and does extremely well.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

yes, they have that thing dialed in... glad you came out.. i'm sure you saw me standing in your way all night

[@bobocaterpillar3697]

did EVRYBODY see how he pulls in 1ST gear ?!?! i don't understand why all the other guys pull their 2 cylinder in 3rd gear ?? these tractor are low end torque MONSTERS ! you LOOSE all that torque very quickly in to high of a gear! nice pull BTW !

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

everyone has their own little tricks.. thats what makes it interesting..

[@timgreen4137]

Torque and traction win these contests. Same with steam tractors pulling sleds.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

always

[@johngardiner3790]

Just gotta love it

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

sure do!!

[@robertwemberly923]

The Massey was waaaay undertired and under weighted.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

The Massey actually had better tires and they weighed the same.. Massey is a heavier tractor.

[@robertwemberly923]

@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING You don't understand weight distribution or tires.

[@toddgittins5692]

Yep. Just like a Case, ain't much to 'um. Throw on every weight in the county, hell, have the dog sit in your lap, if you're trying to do field work.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@robert nope I understand it perfectly thanks for your concern!!!

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@todd its good enough for a trophy..

[@stevenbaes8228]

It's not about how much horsepower you have.Its about power to weight ratio.

[@joewalker9614]

It was waaaày under weighted!!.

[@Jason1Pa]

Just like the V8 Internationals they never really seemed to be much of a powerhouse. Got way more zip with a 6 cylinder.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Yea the V8 Massey's don't seem to impressive...

[@nalley6815]

@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLINGwtf are you talking about 😂😂

[@Corvacar]

It was because of the Massey V8 ( 1150 ) the International 1468 and 1568 were created. Massey Ferguson was the first with the V8 not to mention being more technologically advanced. Fergieman

[@millertime8835]

Say what you want that 820 impressed me but didn't suprise me. That is exactly what that tractor was designed to do and to top it off more efficiently

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Its a nightly unit..

[@RJ1999x]

As a 2 cyl owner they're not that impressive in real life situations

[@bradleamon4466]

The fergy was under tyred to the shit house

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

had huge lugs on her..

[@oilypatch323]

My cousin pulls with a '57 820. Runs around 6psi in the rears. Big ripples in the tires when pulling hard. Always looks like its going to rip the rubber right off the rims lol. He knows that ol girl pretty good and will idle er right down to were she just about wants to stall to get that last couple feet, then into the cluch and pow she fires back to life. He full pulls or pulls furthest every time.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

yup, that's an old Johnny Popper for ya..

[@lfeco]

Those big 2 cylinders get the job done, just might take a bit longer. He gave the chain a good workout.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

it's amazing what they can do..

[@carolkampstra3474]

look how well the old tractors plant the back wheels. we have a alas Chalmers 35 hp that will out pull a lot. most of the old tractors were 2 wheel drive.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

All about setup

[@RJ1999x]

Allis Chalmers 👍

[@dougschepers8470]

Do they have tractor pulls in the dark?

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

They have them at night

[@richarddudley9920]

They do especially when there are several pull offs and the sun sets before the pull concludes

[@michaelherbst3734]

Good old John Deere, like the old German LANZ Bulldog, 👍👍

[@JS-kd7jf]

Big woopty Doo!! Look how much weight is on the JD,, also that big flywheel it has is the advantage!! The other one has a smaller one!

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

The total weight is equal..

[@RJ1999x]

​@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING the weight is equal, but not where it needs to be on the massey

[@RJ1999x]

​@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLINGthe weight is equal, but not where it needs to be on the Massey

[@thekat9593]

I pulled the same implements, plow, chisel plow, with the 830 and 4020, just one gear down on the 830, 3rd with 6 speed vs. 4th 8 speed on 4020 power shift, don,t know correlation difference but 830 was 2 beers slower on a 20 acre field😊

[@elephantcompany6061]

The massy driver didn't know how to work the tractor. He just let it spin...hahaha

[@richarddudley9920]

It just goes to Show that bigger isn't always better. The old 2 lunger Johnny poppers were a very efficient power plant. A tried and true engine design that stood the test of time for many years. I've been told that there's nothing like the feeling of when faded blue touches bright yellow the first time

[@barrybardo3249]

Better tires on the old two popper👍

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

May not look in the video but the Massey had way better tires..

[@bradleamon4466]

In Australia a tractor that size would have come standard with a lot bigger tyres than that

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@bradleamon4466 different strokes for different folks..

[@hobsonbeeman7529]

The wheel and driver weight, nothing but 2cyl grunt there!!

[@andypressley4702]

If it's not green it's not to be seen y'all it is what it is y'all. Andy the jd man my jd 830

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@andy green is my favorite color..

[@johndeereboy1945]

I like that line

[@andypressley4702]

@@johndeereboy1945 if it not green keep it in the barn y'all it is what it is yall

[@billyuhlir3783]

Massey needed a driver.

[@jonnothetrucker]

Yupp, old mate on the deere was messing with the other guy big time ! Just another walk in the park for him

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Knew his machine for sure

[@5litremania]

Sorry I must have missed it, what is the weight of this 820?

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

In this class probably like 13500

[@Cletrac305]

I have built sleds and pulled for years, i own a built 1155. It was all weighting. I got beat by a farmall M at a jerk pull because the chain was level and they were weighted 90% on the rear, i had unhooked the disk and went no cab no fluid or weight 12980 lb. But 260hp no turbo just did a high gear smoky burnout on asphalt for show and never moved the deadweight sled! This pull is limited to 5mph. Horsepower is largely irrelevant. Thats why the 1155 couldn't use his hp you can see him wind it up and then pull it back several times because he broke 5mph. Probably also limited to first gear thats why no smoke on spinout. Straight out of field, stock drawbar, not hooked under axle. Hook a 25' disk on both in the field and 1155 walks away and keeps going, trust me, at 100 hp working down that low that 2cyl explodes in about 30mins. Allow any speed and 1155 walks away, my naturally aspirated V8 has FAR more bottom end torque than any comparable turbo six. The operating range is from 800 to 2600. At 1000 rpm i can dump the clutch and lift the front end in 11th out of 12 gears pulling, but not enough hp for the end, so i use 4th. Perkins are NOT internationals! They weigh 2x as much and were developed for tug boats, not highway trucks. Cat 3208's and international 549's are throw-away motors (no sleeves, cant plane heads) i can replace my lifter bores without disassembling the engine. It was designed as a 640 CI marine 100% duty cycle engine at 600+hp for months Straight! The main and rod journals are 1" larger! And 4 more main bolts. Very expensive tho so not as popular. with proper oiling the rear ends hold 800hp. Perkins is Not a 50% duty cycle, short stroke, n/a cheaper option to a 466 six cylinder turbo like the international I proved this by throttling mine down to 900 at the end of the track, then stabbing the throttle and pulling a gear, lifted the front tires and asked him where he wanted the boat at the end of my weight class! The sixes fell on their butts at 2000 rpm like a rock. It is white cast not grey (harder) and all threads in the block are fine (not possible with grey cast) it has replaceable seats on all valves, my heads weigh more than an IH block! It is hand finished and surface ground on everything not milled. Simply NO comparison!! Watch "Warpath" pulling. They weren't around for years because the heads suck for flow and so the MF express tractor had custom billet aluminum heads. He was almost unstoppable so they banned billet heads. Forgot 20yrs later and permitted them. Carlton Cope got those heads on a 640 in a 2805 "warpath" in 2010 won way too much against the 466ci sixes, accelerated where they stopped! so they restricted his turbo!! Don't believe everything you see! No replacement for displacement Allis Chalmers was 426 vs 540 or 640. There's two ways to pull, distance or percentage, percentage is weight on the pan when you stop compared to your weight. HP, balance, and speed win! JD not even in the game! They quit the 2cyls because a 100hp engine tractor became 2x as heavy as a six due to massive power pulses destroying rear ends. All that said I'd take that 820 home in a heartbeat they're very cool iron! I also would own the 1468. And 2-170 white. Actually i think the best looking tractors are the international 1400 and 1500 series and the D-21 Allis! Just different!

[@keltonwright7]

A Deere 2 cylinder will outlast pretty much any motor working like that. they arn't happy unless they are beig down down 4-500 rpm. Heard stories of a 720 diesel that was bought new to run a belted water pump in a mine/quarry pumping water. it ran 24 hours a day every day, got fueled up running and was only ever shut off to change oil. It rolled the tack 3 times, had over 36,000 hrs and had never been apart. It was so badly worn that it was scrap, but amazing it lasted that many years doing that job.

[@somethinburnin]

1155 was the 540 Perk no Turbo. I always thought the 510 was better engine in the 1150. JD 820, that old 2 banger was a 470 stock! Not a slouch. Great weight distribution, slow turning, GOBS Of Torque. both rears stayed hooked up, were as the 1155 spun right out 1 tire. Not a surprise to see that ol 2 Banger outlug it. Watched an 830 woop a 4020 in 92 at our county fair. 292 vs 299 for the 830. Then Dick Caban came out with the "Pulling Pollack" and proceeded to go 320 before shutting it off and driving it back on the trailer (4020, but it was probably a 531 shoved in it LOL)

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

This is where the saying "i know my truck" started lol... Amazing what you can do with some of this stuff..

[@keltonwright7]

I Pulled my 820 against a John Deere 3140 a few weeks ago. It weighted 2,000 lbs more and has almost double the hp and i managed to beat him by a couple feet.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@keltonwright7 skill is alot

[@tilmanvincent7524]

Not impressed.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

sorry about your luck

[@loosehandle1]

Luck or jealousy lol

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@loosehandle1 not sure, I just dont let hatters affect me..

[@scottrayhons2537]

The hare and the turtle. The turtle will always win.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Yup, power isn't always the solution.. using what you got the right way is..

[@nalley6815]

Nope

[@donaldstrishock3923]

Does'ent everybody know this by now-- the sled operators PICK the WINNERS & LOOSERS.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Yea, that's not how that works...

[@donaldstrishock3923]

@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING you will have to convince me otherwise. # 1 the crowd is mesmerized by all the action- diversionary tachtech. #2 all the leavers&controls in the sled pod are just to drop the front wheels & pull the weight back to the starting point-- no way ,too much . #3 it ALL happens so fast - everybody is SO entertained. #4 It's All about the "Big- Show" & Endorsments. #5 the shiniest & loudest rigs win 98% of the time ,except when "they" through an " Under-dog" in once in a while to shake things Up. #6 everything can be surley seen when the "low speed luggers " compete!!The whole "Show" is just like WWF Wrestling.

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@donaldstrishock3923 it's not like wwf wrestling, it's like nascar, a competition. There is money on the line, it's not just a title you win. These are sanctioned events. The sled operator is just someone who gets hired by a track.. What would he even care who wins or not? Your thoughts don't make any sense to me and I think you have never been to one before or are unclear on how much money is on the line.. If your theory is true, why would anyone show up?? You know real people own the things hooked to the sled right? Why would them come to break a rig that has $150k in it if it was rigged? Not to mention drive sometimes over 12 hours to a track?

[@donaldstrishock3923]

@@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING Your right , why would anyone drag all their Equipment to the "Nascar" Pulling Track just to BREAK Their 150K Pulling Rig ,if they don't win a trophy . I better go to some more events & keep mouth shut. The whole " crazy sport" just has me "Wondering" WOW!

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

nothin you said makes any kind of sense, make sure you take your tinfoil hat with you when you go.. Never know when they will see you!!!

[@Cletrac305]

The guy with the JD really knew his stuff about weight and balance. Torque had zero to do with it because neither stalled out. Actually a smart car motor with the same hp geared right would do the same in it (but for FAR less hours and be annoying to drive) because hp is torque x rpm. 1 ftlb at 5250 rpm = 1 hp. Perkins will last as long as JD because shorter stroke = less ring wear and less bearing speed at same rpm. in say a 15000 lb class the lighter JD has more movable weight added to put where you want it. Kudos to him on his pull and nice tractor!

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

all strait facts in this one....

[@andyb1395]

What weight class was that?

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@andy 13500 pound

[@bryanschalk4924]

Looks like the old 820 was weighted a little better 👍

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

@@bryanschalk4924 it's a lighter tractor so it can add and move weight..

[@keltonwright7]

@@bryanschalk4924 that 820 only weighs 9,000 lbs, so there is 4,500 lbs hanging on that thing

[@taylorh3930]

Horse power don't mean shit unless you can put it to the ground 💪💪 Good old John Deere 💪💪💪💪

[@BACKWOODZCUSTOMZPULLING]

Yup.. setup is everything