John Ford's Films Are Trash? Tarantino Thinks So!

[@oldschool_cinema]

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[@rustincohle2135]

0:06 What are you talking about? When did the AFI make a list of greatest directors??

[@nicholassheffo5723]

@@rustincohle2135 Well, he is. even when one agrees with Tarantino. The debate is, is he an autuer or not?

[@rustincohle2135]

@@nicholassheffo5723 I'm not denying Ford is one of the greats, of course he is. But the point is this is meant to be like a film history channel and they make statements like _"John Ford ranks #5 on AFI's list of greatest directors",_ when AFI has NEVER made a list of greatest directors. Like why did they pick a random number like #5 when no such AFI list even exists? Like what is that?

[@nicholassheffo5723]

@@rustincohle2135 Maybe they confused some other list for AFI's, but he is high up there for many, even though I am not as big a fan. THE SEARCHERS, original STAGECOACH and a few th enos-westerns are key films. Loved David Lynch playing Ford in Spielberg's THE FABLEMANS.

[@rustincohle2135]

@@nicholassheffo5723 _"Maybe they confused some other list for AFI's"_ You're shaping it like it's a misunderstanding. It's not. There's not even an AFI list that they could have possibly confused this with. AFI exclusively makes lists about MOVIES, not lists about individual people. The only lists they've made were for the 100 greatest movies, the 10 year anniversary edition of the 100 greatest movies list, the 100 funniest movies, 100 most thrilling movies, 100 best love stories, 100 best film heroes and villains, 100 best movie songs, 100 best movie quotes, 25 best movie scores, 100 most inspiring movies, 25 best musicals, and a list of the 10 best films in 10 different genres. The only time they ever made a list with people on it was not a best directors list, but a list of the 100 most iconic movie stars. So, there's no misunderstanding on this channel's part. They just made up a lie for the video for whatever reason. My guess to discredit Tarantino's opinion on the man.

[@Musicvidsetc]

Considering Taratino's own comments about Roman Polanski's despicable actions with an underage girl, he has no business playing virtue signaling hipster when it comes to Ford. Furthermore, Ford was an original whereas Taratino, for all of his talent, is often derivative.

[@MicahMicahel]

Tarantno is a degenerate leftist. His morals are leftist. Oppression narratives control him but his only info comes from mo ies.

[@user-42o]

Just because Tarantino failed to denounce every single Hollywood scumbag does not mean that it was wrong for him to announce the ones he has. Furthermore, believe that there are still those who understand that the culture surrounding the KKK the culture of white supremacy is a bigger problem and farm more damaging to society and the human race then the culture of sexual harassment in Hollywood. Both are problems, but one of those things is more reaching and has far greater impact on the world as a whole.

[@tomperkins5657]

I believe this is the pot calling the kettle black.

[@stevendavis1940]

Political correctness is already changing classic films. Tarrantino is a pop culture director who has no business judging Ford by social norms of the past.

[@konowd]

He ain’t a hair on Ford’s ass

[@konowd]

Tarantino is also amoral and has no business acting high and mighty to anybody

[@henrygonzalez8793]

Though Tarantino is certainly entitled to his opinion he seems to be going a bit too far in this case. John Ford acted as a clansman in Birth of a Nation but he was neither the writer or director of the film, he was acting. Similarly, Raoul Walsh played John Wilkes Booth in the same film - that does not mean he was a white supremacist. As far as I know, he was not. Ford deserves some grace. Even Lincoln went through a period where his ideas on race went through a gradual process of change & refinement. He ended up on the right side, as did Ford.

[@willieluncheonette5843]

exactly! Thar is a ludicrous argument . Is any actor who plays a nasty character in a film really like that in real life?.

[@mikekemp9877]

also ford made the first western to feature a black leading man in a big studio release .sgt rutledge with woody strode.

[@johnmulvey5121]

Ford was ACTING in the Griffiths film. If an actor plays a murderer in a role. it doesn't mean the actor is a murder for God's sake. In the Searchers Ethan( John Wayne) and chief Scar are obviously shown to be mirror images of each other; different sides of the same coin, both as bad as each other. In the scene in the tent Scar points to his sons that have been killed by the whites . The people in the film are racist as they would have been in the 1860s but the film is not racist but shows atrocities from both sides. Ethan/John Wayne is unhinged, even going too far for the other white characters. In Fort Apache Ford shows the Indians have great dignity while the cavalry leadership Henry Fonda is a stuck up incompetent prat.

[@davidwalter2002]

I find Tarantino's criticism of Ford to be shallow and two-dimensional. Every person is more nuanced than QT makes Ford out to be, and the filmic technique of Ford shouldn't be equated with whatever attitudes the man possessed. You can recognize the value of the art without imposing judgment on the artist. But that's something that's a difficult struggle at times. I find myself struggling to appreciate the movies of Kevin Spacey, even though I enjoyed them before, and recognize his talent as an actor. Right now, I can't separate the artist from the art. And that's a flaw in myself, not necessarily in Kevin Spacey. I don't reject Chaplin's films, in spite of knowing about his flaws as a person, so maybe there's hope. I don't like anyone, myself included, throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[@stephennootens916]

To be fair Tarantino's criticism on most films and filmmakers a pretty shallow. One only needs to flip through his book Cinema Speculation and it is easy to see most of his criticism is the type you would get from a 15 year old fanboy.

[@taker68]

Sgt. Rutledge and Cheyenne Autumn tried to correct his older films at the end of Ford's career. I suppose too little, too late for QT.

[@kmarks97236]

While was listening to this my mind went to Sgt Rutledge. Although it has a perspective of the white officer, it portrays Woody Stroud in a very positive way and is very focused on racism of the whites. It’s one of my favorite westerns.

[@seppukusushi2848]

This moral posturing on Tarantino's part is funny considering how feminists came after him later with the same moral posturing.

[@LukeLovesRose]

From the guy who thinks exploitative and indiscriminate violence is "cool," i dont really care what he thinks of a PIONEER

[@erikramaekers63]

Ford is one of the 5 best directors ever.Ford worked with right wing actors but was more moderate ( certainly for the time he lived in)I'm getting tired of Tarantino hating Hitch and Ford etc.

[@konowd]

He ain’t a hair on their ass. When all is said and done many will release the emperor had no clothes with Tarantino

[@johnhallett5846]

Tarantino is someone that will be forgotten in twenty years while John Ford will be talked about for another century. and considering the skeletons in Tarantino's OWN closet he has a lot of nerve all in all a rant from someone like that vs someone who is rightfully considered one of the greatest of all time is pretty laughable

[@rupertsmith5815]

Ok I disagree I think it is laughable to say he will be forgotten in 20 years I mean he was one of the few directors that gets a mass audience to show up on his name alone . And his 90s films like reservoir dogs or pulp fiction are 20 years old and not forgotten

[@johnhallett5846]

@@rupertsmith5815 so say you. Honestly what has he done since those films? Ford kept coming up with great films for nearly twenty years. He has many times the number of films people talk about even today than Tarantino. T was a flash for a few years and has faded. Ford has lasted.

[@rupertsmith5815]

@@johnhallett5846 no he wasn’t a flash dude that is objectively Millions go and watch his films for his name alone he is one of the few Hollywood directors that gets complete creative freedom and can get big budget productions of the ground . Saying he was just a flash is incorrect And since then he has made the kill bills Django unchained The hateful eight Once upon a time in Hollywood

[@johnhallett5846]

@@rupertsmith5815 oh give me a break; he is already last years news millions of people are also pretty stupid and easily led

[@rupertsmith5815]

@@johnhallett5846 Well no as if the that was the case this video wouldn’t exist when he releases his next film everyone will be talking about because that is what happens every-time. And that is besides the point and you can say the exact same thing about everyone who is successful.

[@stefanpaege2046]

Who for John Ford’s sake is Tarantino? At best a director on the lower side of mediocre…

[@samuelrossiiii5187]

I hate to say it but Tarantino is NOT as great as he thinks he is. Who is he to criticize a filmmaking legend for playing a Klansman when he drops the N word 24/7?! He is SO egotistical and full of himself. I like maybe one or two of his movies but aside from those all his movie are 1970s grindhouse tropes, explicit sexual conversations and excessive use of the N word for shock value. But then again, who am I to criticize because he's a multimillion dollar director and I'm just not a fan. If you like or love his work that's fine too but I prefer John Ford.

[@Hibernicus1968]

Unfortunately I find Tarantino's attitude typical of left/liberals: there is no room for grace or forgiveness, and no willingness to acknowledge when people change and grow beyond their old attitudes. Once you've done something they don't like, you're a piece of shit for all time. Even the fact that Ford's masterpiece, The Searchers, has a pretty clear message condemning racism as ugly and destructive to the characters of those who indulge in it isn't enough to make Tarantino consider that Ford just might not be a racist piece of shit after all, that if he had been one to harbor racist views, it might just be that age and wisdom had changed his perspective.

[@johnmulvey5121]

That's right

[@fembotheather3785]

Had Ford, as a green kid taking whatever jobs on movie sets told DW Griffith, arguably one of the most powerful American filmmakers at the time that he refused to dress up as a klansman and objected on moral grounds, Griffith most likely would've patted him on the head and sent him home and gotten some other extra to wear the hood, while Ford would've ended up as a shoe salesman most people never heard of. Maybe Quentin was never forced to take a job he didn't like, just to get a foot in the door of a career to which he aspired, but most of us have, with the dream of getting our shot at our dreams. There are things on which I agree with Tarantino, but his inordinate hate toward a director whose work he openly imitates isn't one of them.

[@BarrySagittarius240]

Isn’t QT the one using the n-word for comedy in Pulp Fiction? Virtue signaling is exhausting.

[@GreatWestern175]

So if this is Tarantino's true views on John Ford, then he's quite a hypocrite.

[@konowd]

Tarantino is a moron, hasn’t made a movie worth a damn in forever. He thinks he’s replacing Ford in the pantheon? Never gonna happen.

[@lancewilson7038]

John Ford is a god. Tarantino doesn't like Hitchcock either, go figure. Yet he adores every low-budget '70s exploitation film ever made for some reason.

[@spockvulcan6181]

tarantino is just jealous of ford ...given ford film success and his impeccable war record...sure western django just remake of searchers.... john carpenter suffers from same issues ..he dislikes ford as well..

[@konowd]

There probably won’t be a tenth Tarantino movie. He’s only got a couple of moves, you’ve seen em all, and he’s painted himself into a self important corner he probably won’t figure his way out of.

[@droidx1191]

Bad take, IMO. Ford was a great director. Playing a bad guy doesn't make one a bad guy (is Anthony Hopkins actually a cannibal?). And "The Searchers" is the best Western ever made.

[@oilda1926]

I find this odd that he who criticizes Ford is t he one keping the N world alive?

[@bsharp3281]

Thought: maybe the filmic language doesn't belong to Ford, or to any director, exactly. Maybe great auteurs just uncover the true voice of fiction as spoken in its natural, universal language: dreaming

[@MMMarvelous]

Apparently I'm not the only one that agrees that Tarantino is way off base on this. Damning Ford for simply acting in a movie is ridiculous. Christian Bale and Mark Harmon both played serial killers. Is Linda Blair aligned with Satan? Come on. He's also upset that a lot of American Indian characters were killed in Ford's movies, but we will quickly lose count of how many white characters were killed in Tarantino's movies. A killing is a killing regardless of race, but it's pointless as it's a movie. I think Tarantino was just high on himself at that time and probably just plain high.

[@konowd]

Just because Tarantino thinks he’s the greatest living director doesn’t make it so. You can only fool some of the people some of the time

[@michaelharrington7656]

Ford was a man of powerful contradictions.

[@Verdenfell]

Tarantino is the last person on earth who should take on such a sanctimonious posture

[@garymazeffa1442]

He seems to have a lot of time on his hands these days. He's run out of stories. The proof is his last one. It had all of the ingredients of his others with nothing new. He's toast. And he knows it. So, you do what all the others do, just talk up a storm. But, at least, he earned it. Most don't.

[@mantislake4141]

Most . . . like Kevin Smith?

[@willieluncheonette5843]

Tarantino --"One of my American Western heroes is not John Ford, obviously. To say the least, I hate him. Forget about faceless Indians he killed like zombies. It really is people like that that kept alive this idea of Anglo-Saxon humanity compared to everybody else’s humanity-and the idea that that’s hogwash is a very new idea in relative terms. And you can see it in the cinema in the Thirties and Forties-it’s still there. And even in the Fifties. But the thing is, one of my Western heroes is a director named William Witney who started doing the serials. He did Zorro’s Fighting Legion, about 22 Roy Rogers movies; he did a whole bunch of Westerns . . . John Ford puts on a Klan uniform [in The Birth of a Nation], rides to black subjugation. William Witney ends a 50-year career directing the Dramatics doing “What You See Is What You Get” [in Darktown Strutters]. I know what side I’m on." IMO that is WAY TOO VAST a criticism and unfortunately a rather current opinion it seems. (See the drop in ranking for The Searchers in the current Sight and Sound poll) While it is true that Ford vacillated between his depiction of Indians as both noble and savage, he always seemed to be of the mindset that the worlds of American government and white settlers and Indians would never be resolved. And I don't think Tarantino and I are watching the same films, Wagon Master, Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon .and Cheyenne Autumn. If I remember correctly, the depiction in these four films is hardly that of the savage Indian. In fact you might argue Ford was ahead of his time in his attitude here. (For instance, watch Wagon Master, the earliest of these, from 1950 and then tell me if I'm right or wrong) Of course, Tarantino's criticism of Ford says nothing about the actual films, just Ford's attitude towards Indians. Many of Ford's westerns are among the greatest American films ever made IMO. Is one to throw the whole of Birth of a Nation completely under the bus for it's depiction of the KKK? Yes, that is one criticism but it is a masterpiece and one of the three most influential films in the history of cinema. And Ford was an actor for God's sake, not the script writer .Is every actor who plays a murderer in a film in favor of murder?? I am a filmmaker myself and like Tarantino I also "appropriated" a shot from The Searchers in my film. The difference is I don't slag off Ford.

[@deniswhitburn2626]

What he lacks in originality he more than compensates in hustling his 'icon' standing, for all the blather unfortunately a combination of Tarantino's most successful works fails to come near The Searchers alone. In measuring Ford's somehow questionable character by a bit part in Birth of a Nation he over-looks history of the times when the Democratic Party of the South from post-Civil War to mid-20th Century was steeped in that culture to the point Franklin Roosevelt despite all effort was unable to get legislation outlawing Black lynchings to stay in power getting America out of the black hole of the Depression. Tarantino also bypasses Ford's two racial statements, Sgt. Rutledge, Cheyene Autumn (okay, White actors playing native Americans, still 'the times').

[@SaturnCanuck]

Quenton Tarantino is an over-rated hack who only made ONE good movie!

[@Akkatlah]

Django Unchained

[@SaturnCanuck]

@@Akkatlah Reservoir Dogs

[@gblatt8472]

Jackie Brown

[@johnbrowne2170]

He loves massacres at the end of all his movies. That's because he can't figure out a sensible ending.

[@wendyalen2437]

He made ZERO good movie, all his films are trash, copying others. Ford is a giant

[@DonLarson-q9h]

Young Mr Lincoln, The Long Voyage Home, Fort Apache. Hmmmm, maybe he should number his dislikes.

[@Mokkari77]

I think he hates Ford because if he didnt exist, Howard Hawks, Tarantino's all time favorite director would be considered the greatest American filmmaker by critics.

[@eaglestrike1000]

Tarantino's movies are trash.

[@patrickmullane30]

Well he’s just wrong

[@AyaanPettus-b3y]

I'm a bit surprised Tarantino had a dislike of Ford since Kill Bill Part 2 had an obvious homage to Ford as the Bride left Bus's trailer walking just like John Wayne did at the classic ending of The Searchers. I get some of what Tarantino said but he neglects a movie like Sgt Rutledge, which was an anti racial hatred film and Ford's movies like the Searchers and Fort Apache did have respect for Apaches and Comanches even though calvary officers didn't respect the Native Americans. Tarantino isn't going have a film in the top ten of all time so maybe he should work on his own craft rather than downing other directors no longer with us. He also said negative things about Hitchcock as well. He needs to move beyond the B genre garbage he populates in if he's going to criticize others.

[@johnbrowne2170]

He's jealous of really good directors. All he is is a successful hack.

[@konowd]

And actors, he desperately wants to be a movie star and can’t get it through his head he can’t act

[@garymazeffa1442]

I love Tarantino films, but they are nihilistic and play a significant role in our current situation. They are total BS with no redeeming value, but they still tell a story. More than you can say for the rest of the junk out there.

[@mongolianqwerty123]

Agreed. tho I rate his technique highly all of his work is rotten at the core, with the exception of Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown (and I credit Roger Avery and Elmore Leonard for that). Django and Hateful 8 are race bait of the worst stripe

[@niteporter]

He also hates the late great Hitchcock. I don't care, Tarantino is overrated. My favorite director Fincher is better, Scorsese, Nolan are way better than him.

[@konowd]

The ending of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was one of the most rotten, misogynist, mean spirited things I’ve ever seen and you could tell he really got off on the cruelty of Brad Pitt smashing a woman’s face into a wall with a Trump smirk on his face and another woman being mauled and burned alive. We get it Tarantino, you’re obsessed with violence, bloodshed and cruelty. Can you do anything else?

[@wendyalen2437]

50 years from now, few will know who "Tarantino" is, a copycat, only copying others. Ford is the Master, not a junkie copycat.

[@mrmusickhimself]

Tarantino's style is to take what DID work in those mostly awful exploitation movies, and transfer them over to HIS "original" ideas", they're piecemeal. Watch any grindhouse trailer, sure, they look like awesome films, but save for a couple of creative moments and wild characters, they're mostly boring (The Thing with Two Heads). Reservoir Dogs was a flat out remake of City on Fire, dude won't even admit he has a foot fetish. Dude, it's okay, you clearly have one and you've amassed QUITE the vault of celebrity foot material, but don't pretend it conveys something other than personal thirst.

[@OdinsCloud]

John Ford made better pictures than Tarantino who makes films for pop culture drones... I prefer the Klan to Tarantino .

[@JoeMckenzie85]

I dont care. I love 'My Darling Clementine and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

[@diddymuck]

Who cares what rent--one tear-a-ton off thinks?

[@scottgwelch6904]

Tarantino has always been full of sheep dip.

[@derekpierkowski7641]

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[@adriancampbell6924]

John Ford is considered one of the greatest directors by the greatest directors. Tarentino is not. Enough said.